Mini 1778 — BuzzFeed UPick Mafia — Game Over

[Clumsy]

Hi Nahdia!

VOTE: Nahdia

>:D

[Clumsy]

I kinda wanna pledge loyalty just so I can talk to people outside this thread

But giving up my vote ehhhhhh


But on the other hand day 1 is usually a wash anyway


But on the third hand maybe this time it'll be different

But on the fourth hand it never is

But on the fifth hand I don't know if cow is town

But in the sixth hand I don't know if I see scum having that role

But on the seventh hand you never know

But on the eight hand people only have two hands anyway

Yeah, 3 things come to my mind with this.
1, I'm curious as to what would be discussed in there
2, I don't want to give up my vote though. That's a big bit of power to give up
and 3, how much faster I could type this with 8 hands.

Either way, if I decide to join, it might be later in the day/game.

Or we could all pledge and let RC be Super-Vote PR. See if he could just vote randomly and win the game. XD

[Clumsy]

I didn't imply it? I do slightly lean that way, because I'm not entirely sure scum would have that power, but I don't see anything I said implying that.

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@gamma, why did you dislike Clumsy proposing that idea, but ignored when I said it?

What makes mine nothing and his scum? Not sure I like that trail of thought.

Wait, did you guys actually think that was a serious proposition?

aight i'll bite

Pledge Loyalty

to Generalissimo RadiantCowbells

town spotted

I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is necessarily indicative of town. I haven't gotten any bad vibes from Nahdia yet, but it's an easy way of being rid of the responsibility behind your vote. No one that is pledged has to directly answer for their vote. Easy way to lurk without lurking. I'd be wary of anyone doing it and then going quiet.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.

If there's a lengthy conversation/argument about 'but possibly prs tho' on page 3 of the game instead of just ignoring it and talking about who's scummy for the things they're doing (yes i know basically nothings happened yet but it's the principle of the thing) you'll make me the saddest person. please don't make me the saddest person.

That didn't actually answer the question. I'm wondering the same here, and you dodged it by talking about the second half.


I feel like I'm missing a lot in this game because I don't know anyone besides Nahdia. I've seen a few games you guys have been in, but I haven't really paid attention to how each person specifically plays. I think I'll need to go read a game or two from everyone.

P-edit like an entire page: RC could just confirm one way or the other, no need to hedge on the rules here.

[Clumsy]

I've not been feeling well the past few days and working while not feeling great is putting a bit of a strain on me. I'm attempting to catch up in 3 games, so apologies if I missed something while speed reading through.


First off, Errant, sorry to see you go man. Hope everything works out for you.
Kuribo, also sorry to see you go. I was looking forward to playing with you.

VOTE: hiplop

Any explanation for the vote here?

And you expect town!me to

1. immediately make this connection
and
2. actually buy that something you did as town before should make me believe ANY player that exhibits similar behavior is also town

???

this post sucks

Why do you think this post sucks exactly?

rc is just mad. He's a wannabe hiplop imo

who agrees with me?

Haha probably. I'm a wannabe Hiplop. Just look at that cat, who wouldn't want to be?

Nahdia offered to claim but I asked her not to because we don't know who will end up in the thread.

Nothing from Maestro.

The way you say this implies that you trust the people that were currently in the thread at the time she offered to. Is this true?

My only reads so far are a Clumsy scum read and gut town reads on Nahdia and Spiffeh. I'll maybe post a bit more after Clumsy responds, since pretty much everything else in the game seems more likely to be white noise than meaningfully readable imo.

Those three are the -only- reads you have so far? I'm not expecting everyone to be sorted, but that's it?

Possiby at least one scum among Spiffeh, BRO, or Hiplop. Need to see more out of this interaction.

At least one scum among kuroi, Trollie, Aristo, and Parabola. First one of this group to wow me gets free town cred. Loser gets tunneled. Let's see what you got.

Nahdia still probtown, not sure yet about Cow. 50/50 on Maestro.

If I haven't mentioned you, it's because you've managed to go six pages without catching my gaze. That's not a good thing.

We're not going for the lurker group today unless Broseidon somehow manages to convince me that he's town, but he's bleeding scum intent all over the thread.

I don't think I can actually do anything to make you not-scumread me but w/e.

Oh, you can, but you don't do so by blatantly trying to manipulate the gamestate and spin focus away from someone that you have already expressed a scumread on.

It's not so much that as much as it is that I've never seen you not deathtunnel someone regardless of your alignment.

Like, you're calling it "manipulating the gamestate," I call it "doing things."

147 is basically a scumclaim.

I don't know what I'm missing here. What is the bleeding scum intent? Do you two have a history together? I'm not seeing where the scum intent is, and without that, it does look like a death tunnel. Enlighten me?

A couple reads so far. Leaning town on Nahdia so far, seems very pro town. Lean town on Hiplop, for reasons that he hopefully knows. Still a slight town-lean on RC, some of it the role thing, the other that he hasn't done anything that has pinged me yet. Also, RC, apologies if I ever refer to you as "she". Annie avatar too stronk. Also slight town lean on Kuribo's slot.

Spiffeh's posts are rubbing me the wrong way, namely the posting style (very short one liners). But what bugs me is that I don't know his posting style, so it may be normal. I'll have to go dive through games.

The rest are null because of inactivity. I'm not really one to talk though.

I think my vote is still on RVS Nahdia?
UNVOTE:

[Clumsy]

Gonna post some short stuff here for now, probably get more into things tomorrow when I'm not falling asleep at my desk.

Nahdia offered to claim but I asked her not to because we don't know who will end up in the thread.

Nothing from Maestro.

The way you say this implies that you trust the people that were currently in the thread at the time she offered to. Is this true?

it was literally just RC and i in the thread at the time lol.

Ah, okay, I didn't realize. Makes sense then.


Also, RC, what exactly is the case on me anyway? I'm just seeing a joke taken the wrong way early and then just riding that out.

My only reads so far are a Clumsy scum read and gut town reads on Nahdia and Spiffeh. I'll maybe post a bit more after Clumsy responds, since pretty much everything else in the game seems more likely to be white noise than meaningfully readable imo.

Those three are the -only- reads you have so far? I'm not expecting everyone to be sorted, but that's it?

Yep!
I tend to think that most posts, espeeeeecially early game, are a lot more reflective of a player's personality than their alignment, and that trying to ascribe someone's alignment from posts that I can very, very easily see coming from that player as either alignment is more likely to introduce likely incorrect biases when trying to evaluate them later (when they've made plenty of additional posts and have said things that ARE more likely to be alignment relevant) than do anything useful.

Also, I do want you to answer my question to you in #115, though it's not a very kind one. Because to me it looks more likely to be a lazy effort to attack me for saying something that looks vaguely contradictory than a genuine desire to know why I did it, considering that even if we assume that you didn't leave it out intentionally to try to show that I was 'suspicious', it implies you weren't even paying enough attention to the post you're quoting to realize that the part you deleted was exactly what you asked for.

Eh, fair enough I suppose. Also, while I don't exactly appreciate the "stupid" comment, you are right. It was a reading comprehension fail. I thought it would be after the quote. And this is why I shouldn't be doing mafia when I'm tired. Like right now.

I'm currently getting a scum feeling from Spiffeh. And like an IC told me, gut feeling is usually unconsciously picking up on something in their posts. I'll look through and try to figure it out. Probably tomorrow. For now though, sleep.

[Clumsy]

Alright, I am here.

clumsy continues to rub me the wrong way, looking at 40 but I think I'm more open to reconsidering?
I think Nahdia is town.
I also think that Maestro is town but that's a bit weaker.

I agree with Nahdia being town, this is different than the previous game we were in. She took charge in that game, where in this she's being more submissive.
I don't know what to think of Maestro. I don't think he would say this as scum.

Everybody is null-reading me or doesn't know how to read me. My work here is done.

Wait, did you guys actually think that was a serious proposition?

ehhhhh....

Ugh, remind me not to try to joke around in a BuzzFeed game on Page 2 in the future. Apparently mini-themes are too serious for it. -_-

Like the whole making a show of voting, unvoting because L-1, then jumping on this shiny new Nahdia vs Maestro fight just feels horrible and like scumbuddy-scumbuddy interaction.

Probabilities wise I don't think that Broseidon's L-1 unvote is town or scum, really.

I do want kuroi to explain maestro and hiplop reads. Actually, explain the broseidon read, too.
I think that gamma's reads are pretty legitimate. I also think that someone with just a few reads and being open about that fact is more likely to be town, but that really depends on how scum-gamma approaches the game, which I have no knowledge of.

spiffy asks for kuroi to explain reads, too. Kuroi doesn't respond. Just a thought. Spiffeh doesn't follow up? Am I missing something?
Okay I'm glad trollie is prbaobly town.
Aristo is very null.

First, the Spiffeh Kuroi thing is interesting. Kuroi, want to respond here?
What makes you so sure Trollie is town? No offence Trollie, but there hasn't been much content from there.
Aristo is asking some decent questions, looks like he's trying to get back into the game after the prod. I'm also and a null,

maybe

a slight null-town.

RC, what are your thoughts on Spiffeh, Kuroi, and Aristo?

[Clumsy]

Nahdia is town.

Also, what warranted this? Gamma asked for reads.

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Also, RC, what exactly is the case on me anyway? I'm just seeing a joke taken the wrong way early and then just riding that out.

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Great, so RC is completely ignoring me. That's cool. I think I understand RC mafia now.

Hiplop! I miss the old Avatar.

I'm out with friends tonight, but might be on later tonight. We're kind of slowing down on content. I'll try to drum something up if I have time.

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Fine. You e sold drunk me on Broseidon. Sober me may have THINGS TO SAY to you.

I'm really concerned about this post. Even though his vote is already RC's, the post before this didn't have any argument to it. It just said "Let's lynch this" and he said "You sold me on it." This sounds like a big cop out to be on a mislynch wagon to me.

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Hrm, didn't really think about them discussing it in the PT. If that's true, then I repeal my point. It looks pretty bad with just in thread posts, but yeah... Okay nevermind I guess. -_-

I'm hoping to actually have time to post substantial things on Tuesday.

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For Clumsy I can't tell if he's saying offputting shit because he's scum or because he's new

What have I said that's been off-putting? I can try to address them and answer questions for you. I actually feel pretty guilty about this game and others, because I feel like dead weight. I'm in a game with so much more experienced players as my (simultaneous with others) third game. I feel like I'm in the middle of a semester of advanced calculus, and I only know basic algebra. ._.



I went back through and read through Kuroi's more recent posts, and it's starting to bug me. It feels like there's just -nothing there-. I know they are on V/LA right now, but even when they are here, it's like they're just popping in with filler. Speaking of filler, there's been a lot of it between BRO and RC a few pages back as well.

Fucking vote me if you shits have any reason to do so.
I'm annoyed at this, but only because I'm drunk.

This seems way over the top. It strikes me as a particularly bad reaction to being called a scum lean.

He knows damn well you can't quote PTs. I have never seen a game where you can. I dislike the posturing here.

It's not posturing, and I know normal site rules, dude. How many games of yours have I

modded

? not posturing at all, I'm asking to triple-duple-check

I absolutely hate this post. I have never seen a game on this site where you could quote your PMs. There may have been one, but it is by FAR the exception than the rule AFIAK. It's also up in the rules on this game. Why the hell would he ask this, especially if he's a mod himself? He knew the answer already.

I live on the edge baby
But seriously if theres at least one town member in the hood currently then this is a good move, i am almost sure of it

And if one of them is Scum, what then? This is probably stupid on your part, without even knowing what it is you're thinking of doing or saying.

I agree with this actually. Why does it have to be in the neighborhood? If it needed to be private to town, I would understand. But only one town member makes this a good move? Even if there is scum in there? Then what's different about saying it publicly? I can only think of one explanation for it really, and if that is the explanation, then I completely get it. But I'm not sure if that is what I think it is.

That said, Maestro is my strongest scumread right now.
VOTE: Maestro

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I absolutely hate this post. I have never seen a game on this site where you could quote your PMs. There may have been one, but it is by FAR the exception than the rule AFIAK. It's also up in the rules on this game. Why the hell would he ask this, especially if he's a mod himself? He knew the answer already.

A: I didn't ask about quoting PMs, I asked about a unique neighborhood PT mechanic that literally anybody could join if they wanted to. The situation seemed unique enough to me to warrant a double/triple-check of the rules (which, by the way, I normally don't read closely [sorry Marq] since I didn't join in

2016

)
B: Pull up your pants and close your sphincter - your confirmation bias is showing

Sorry for assuming that you know what you're doing. It won't happen again.

@Nahdia:

You seem reluctant to vote either way which I can appreciate but you gotta have some stances

I guess I need to follow my instincts more
I was actually considering your team earlier than I let on, all the way back to when I did the reaction test about Drixx being scum. I didn't push it though because no one else thought so and I thought I was being dumb. I need to be more sure of myself.

...as i recall, town!Clumsy was pretty unsure and had a lot of thoughts bouncing back and forth which was obvious him trying to solve the game. this game he looks more like he's trying to find an acceptable push.

i don't buy the confidence he has in the Maestro read really.

What do you want from me?!

But seriously though, I messed up last game because I was too indecisive. I'm trying to be more confident and assertive, and I'm getting scumread for it. >_<

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And no Spiffeh, I don't think you contributed to it at all. I don't know where all that came from.

P-edit: Thanks Hiplop. It's good to actually have a friend this game. Do you know if there are any other friends?

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But is she as close as you and I are?

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That's my favorite Disney movie of all time actually. Still makes me cry. >_>

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Well, Bro for one. I wouldn't want to lynch there until we hear from a replacement at least I think. Doesn't feel right, that kind of play could come from something outside of game. Definitely worth not forgetting about though, just don't want a quicklynch there right now. Kuroi and to a lesser extent Gamma I'm leaning scum. Hiplop is town. Good feelings that you're town. Good vibes from Trollie, but we need more from that slot. You?

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It's not that it's developed that much, but that I'm -trying- to develop it that way. Good way to do that is to just do it. Being happy makes you smile, but smiling makes your brain think you're happy.

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You've seemed to be really tunnely, mainly on me and Bro. While I don't disagree on Bro, I do find people that tunnel seem to be more often scum. I tunneled on a guy named Shrike the entirety of D1 as my first game, which I was scum. Other than that just gut. Like I said though, it's to a lesser extent. Not sure I would want you as a lynch today.

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Whoops! So sorry. Been busy for a little while. Will try to be more active, but before I forget:

@MOD: I will be V/LA this weekend April 15th-17th.

He's probably scum actually

im so town my eyes hurt

You haven't actually done anything yet. Are you caught up now?

VOTE: Ranger
You can eat and scum hunt at the same time.

...actually didn't know Ranger was L-4. UNVOTE:

I really really don't like these posts from Kuroi. Feels slimy as all hell. I've gotten that feeling from them all game so far.

Caught up.

595 is current reads.

Really think we should lynch in {Kuroi, Gammagooey}, though Aristophanes wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'm starting to buy into a Kuroi Gamma scum team myself

What makes you two think that these two are scum together? I could go for a Kuroi lynch today, but Gamma is not at the top of my priority list.

I'm currently feeling better about Spiffeh. Recent posts have moved him up on my ladder.

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why the { brackets

It spreads... >:D
(You can blame me because I was pretty much the first to use brackets in my readslists; literally everyone else I've seen using them started only

after

I had established the precedence. Reason I have it on my wiki. <3)

{Errantparabola}
{RadiantCowbells, hiplop}
{TheTrollie, Spiffeh}
{Clumsy, Nahdia, Maestro}
{Aristophanes}
{Kuroi, Gammagooey}

As of 16.

Not a bad list, although I'm confused about 2 things. Why is Errant at the top the whole time, and why is Nahdia lower than Trollie? I know you said you weren't going to talk about EP, but why Nahdia down here?


Also, Hiplop. We should talk about us at some point.

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Man that's pretty legitimately dissapointing.

@Ranger- I don't really see why you're scumreading me unless you're basically hard-pairing kurio and I. Can you fill me in? I will say that I voted bro over clumsy in the post you mentioned solely because his personal attack on RC was abhorrent, and I'd like to see people get immediately lynched whenever they try bullshit like that instead of it getting shrugged off and it becoming another thing that's tacitly tolerated and then used by others to argue for the alignment of that player one way or another later in the game.

@Clumsy- answer this for me please

You've seemed to be really tunnely, mainly on me and Bro. While I don't disagree on Bro, I do find people that tunnel seem to be more often scum. I tunneled on a guy named Shrike the entirety of D1 as my first game, which I was scum. Other than that just gut. Like I said though, it's to a lesser extent. Not sure I would want you as a lynch today.

i personally disagree with tunnelling as a scumtell but it's a fine enough surface level reason so whatever. what makes you think my own particular brand of tunneling would be a scumtell? Why would tunneling make the game easier for me or make my position better as scum?

If you want to base it off of what you were thinking at the time of voting me that's even better, but even if you didn't think about it at the time I still want you to go over it now and use this to basically evaluate the reasons for your read and what you think my underlying motivations for what I'm doing are.

If you're looking for a reason scum would do it, I think it makes the illusion for scum hunting easier. You can ignore most other people and just focus on the one, while staying out of everything else. You can be seen doing things, without contributing as much. Not saying that's what you're doing, but yeah. I don't know anything other than that about making it easier for you, but I still think tunnelers are more often scum. That said, I would definitely prefer Kuroi over you at this point of the game. Just look at their ISO. They haven't actually been doing anything productive at all.

VOTE: Kuroi

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Dunno if you're counting the one word post, but he is up there in 634.

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Hiplop, we need to decide who is not our friend. I think I know who you want to keep out of our treehouse?

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Nahdia, go back to your treehouse. No girls allowed

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Hello duppin, don't think I've seen your name around.

Actually, Nahdia, girls allowed for a few minutes. What are your reads? You never got back to us on those.

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=/ I agree there. Don't you have anything else?

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I don't know about Ranger, now that she revealed what's going on. Or do you disagree with Nahdia about EP being town?

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I could go for either of those, and maybe even Gamma too. I want to hang Kuroi.

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I would like Trollie to post more and get into town territory, though.

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@Clumsy, can you give me a list of your current reads? I know you've kinda already given reads, but I'd just like to hear where you're currently at.

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Sure, I'll just make a readlist here.

{Hiplop}
{Nahdia}
{Dippin, Ranger, EP}
{Trollie, Spiffeh, Aristo}
{Maestro, Gamma}
{Kuroi}

[Clumsy]

If we do this, do you wanna keep Kuroi out instead then?

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I just realized that deadline is very close to when I'll be back in town. I'll try my best to make it back before deadline, but I can't promise. Situations out of my control and all.

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Have service for a bit here. First

That's all we're getting from you two? Aristo and Maestro. Prod dodges near deadline? Aristo I know you said you're at work, but we need you both to do something.

Second, Hiplop, we need to decide. Kuroi/Gamma?

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Maybe Hiplop, but I think there might be a better choice for our club. I think I'd rather Maestro or Gamma to join the club.

[Clumsy]

Second rule about Fight Club: Don't talk about Fight Club!

HIPLOP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.

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UNVOTE:
I'll just vote where dipping does at this point

My scum reads are Ranger and Gamma

Kuroi too kinda but less so

You're just voting where Duppin is at this point? Why didn't you just pledge to him then?

highly town wagon right now imo

Do you have any other input at all about the game? We can't read you with so little content, which is very bad. Same goes for Aristo, but he's here now.

[Clumsy]

I'm here, one sec to catch up with recent reading

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I'd like Kuroi, but I think I'm going to trust Hiplop on this. What're we doing tonight, did you change your mind to Trollie?

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I'm okay with that. So you want Gamma instead Hip? I'm willing to follow you there, if you're sure about Kuroi.

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I think that's a lynch, Kuroi beat me to it.

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Acknowledged, Hippy.

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I want hiplop's ass dead today

Ranger Kuroi is a fine lynch but hiplop is scum as well and my goal today is to convince everyone of that

Nope. Hiplop is town, 100%. Trust me on this. That lynch is not happening.

The wagon dissolved literally overnight.

Without Kuroi having claimed.

I actually pride myself on not claiming.
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Rightfully so. We don't need a claim on L-2. But the point I think Ranger is trying to make is that it wasn't pushed to actually getting there.

Gladiate: KuroiXHF

Shit just got real. I know where my votes going between these two though.
VOTE: Kuroi

[Clumsy]

Are you really? I must have counted wrong, or I would have announced. I thought it was -2 right now.

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Wait, I think you are at L-2. I don't think Nahdia actually voted you yet.

Nahdia, where are you at thought wise right now?

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We need something out of you Nahdia. I was town reading you early, but you're giving us nothing to work with here.

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Clumsy I want to know specifically why YOU are town reading hiplop

I don't want to hear it from him

Something more than "I've never misread him" please

Half of it is what he said, the other half shouldn't be talked about yet. Revealing that information right now in the game would be a detriment. That info does not need to be out yet, and would mostly help scum. So please stop asking.

I think it's more than just Nahdia. EP needs to contribute. Aristophanes needs to contribute more. Maestro needs to contribute some, although I do town-read him.

This is true. But why do you town read him?

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This is true. But why do you town read him?

I can't disclose that. The best I can say is I'm fairly sure he's town and he knows I'm town.

Hrm, okay. But if intent is given... we need to know.

Nahdia there are two more scum

Who are they

Kuroi and some1 else

based on play in the hood, i don't think it's Maestro. or ranger/EP for that matter. and assuming no 3rd party, 2 scum left probably means not hiplop/clumsy with w/e weird role they have? and uhhh... idk what else.

That leaves Aristo, you, and Spiffeh. I'm assuming that you're going to say it's not you of course. So Aristo/Spiffeh? And why?

You're giving a lot of "uh"s and "idk"s... With day 1 it's somewhat understandable, with not having a vote it could be pretty weird. But you have a vote today. Which you still have not used, even when faking a gladiate, which is very odd.


P-edit: holy activity. Not going to try to catch up in this post.

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In case this ends suddenly: Hiplop, we need to plan. Who're we letting into our treehouse tonight?

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Spiffeh, why are you still pushing this?

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He's pushing it a little, but I'd be willing to throw the ladder down to him.

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Maybe. I'm conflicted.

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That's L-1

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I think we need to stay on the mouse. He wants in.

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I agree that the claim needed to come... but damn.

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Yeah, sorry Hippy. Had fun though!

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I was wondering why it ended, but I figured it was some weirdness with lovers. I dunno. It was fun though!

Also, as someone once told me: "Being right about the scum is only half of winning, the other half is being convincing enough to get the votes to hang them."

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I think you're cool Hiplop!

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And not just because you helped me out. XP

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