Newbie 452 - Game Over

[theopor_COD]

Theo, I believe the deciding vote is yours now.

Well I won't be casting either way it until I've heard an adequate and substantial post from both replacements and previous questions answered both frankly haven't impressed me, I'd add again no one should switch and hammer until they do so.

[theopor_COD]

EBWOP - obviously if someone does switch and hammer whoever and they end up town - then you will be dieing a painful death tomorrow.

[theopor_COD]

I'd also add it's probably worth Vitamin and Northern Lights claiming at this point.

[VitaminR]

Theo, I believe the deciding vote is yours now.

Well I won't be casting either way it until I've heard an adequate and substantial post from both replacements and previous questions answered both frankly haven't impressed me, I'd add again no one should switch and hammer until they do so.

I'd prefer to have this happen first, to be honest. If after this, all three decide they still want me lynched, I'll claim.

[Gorgon]

Of the two people who are close to getting hammered, NL is scummier by far.

To answer your question, Theo, you're looking more town than not. Your reluctance to hammer when there are two possible candidates suggests that either you're very careful scum, or bona fide town. Also, as I've said before, I liked your analysis that you posted earlier. You're certainly far from the top of my list.

NL is, to be frank, way at the top of the list, with Boggzie following him closely. Newbies or not, I just don't like how they came in and went immediately after VitR, based on what I see as flimsy evidence. I'm thinking one or both of them is pretty likely to be scum, frankly ... this won't change until I see something substantially more reasonable from them.

[BlueStar]

I'm here...dang, the newcomers are out for blood. Need to review stuff. Going to do it right now...

[BlueStar]

Unvote: VitaminR

I still believe he's the best guess on day 1, but the newcomers have sparked things to live. Claiming "die piggy die..." is not the best way to gain popularity.

I need to review Leviathan's posts, if those aren't good enough, I'm tempted to put in the hammer vote.

[BlueStar]

Here's my 0.02...

Theopor_COD, Peers, Gorgon, VitaminR : everything stays the same there. I did a complete analysis of my thoughts on p.9

Northern Light : replacing Leviathan. Leviathan always came off as quiet but sprang to life when questions were being asked. I don't know how "die piggy die" is going to help anyone in this game. On the other hand, pushing a lynch for someone who was on one vote (being mine) seems farfetched.

Boggzie : Comes in, wants to move things along, FoS-es VitaminR from the start and puts him at L-1.

I'm all for moving this game along (the deadline being suspended 5 times is a bit too much for my liking as I did a complete analysis on p9) but I'm not sure what's going on here.

Theopor_COD : I've removed my vote from VitaminR. I'm not ready to hammer Northern Light yet but he should come up with a good explanation...

[Northern Lights]

Well I laughed my ass off at die, piggy, die, die.

Theo asked me to claim. I might as well, this game is going really slow...
I am a townie, Leviathan was a townie. She got bored and left. There was a lot of putting Vit on their scum-list so it seemed natural at the time. Leviathan thought Vit was scum too. So yeah lets see what happens.

[theopor_COD]

Northern please answer Vitty's questions, thanks.

[Boggzie]

I thought my stance was pretty well explained. The whole "I don't understand" thing, makes it seem even more scummy.

I do apologize if it seemed like I just barged in and started tossing around accusations. However, you have to remember, what you guys took over a month to develop, I was able to read in a matter of an hour or so. So, the case is pretty clear in my head at the moment.

The most troubling thing about Vit' and Gorgon is the fact that as far back as post 37 their unmentioned alliance began. Everyone else in the game has been all over the board with their suspicions, except these two. Never once, that I can find, calling the other on the carpet. Also notice when one of them is questioned, the other typically chimes in casting doubt in another direction. Never asking for explanations.

Let me also stress I am

very

pleased no one hammered Vit' and allowed him to ask questions and explain. I was worried when I put him at -1 that someone would be impatient (which I could understand why) and just hammer for the sake of hammering.

However

take notice if Vit was town and the scum wanted to take a quick lead, they

would

have hammered and taken their chances on day 2, any respectable scum would have. The fact he wasn't hammered further underlines my suspicions.

Vit, your answers:

you haven't defended "people". You've defended Gorgon.

I mentioned the No Lynch as troubling, however this can be dismissed away as impatience or just plain dumb.

As far as Levi; scumhunting and pointing fingers is what this game is about. You should know that better than anyone.

...as I replaced hmrox, I'm not going to judge her play.

As far as everyone else in the game they, as I've stated three different times, have been all over. Questioning this person, answering to others. Etc. etc. While Vit and Gorgon seem to have all along steered clear of coming out and mentioning any suspicion of the other.

Again, I apologize for seemingly just barging in and tossing accusations around, but having read everything all at once certain things stand out.

[theopor_COD]

Vit, your answers:

you haven't defended "people". You've defended Gorgon.

Do you not think Vitty defended Rump more?

[VitaminR]

The most troubling thing about Vit' and Gorgon is the fact that as far back as post 37 their unmentioned alliance began. Everyone else in the game has been all over the board with their suspicions, except these two. Never once, that I can find, calling the other on the carpet. Also notice when one of them is questioned, the other typically chimes in casting doubt in another direction. Never asking for explanations.

That seems an exaggeration. Gorgon simply hasn't worried me much. The only time I've seen cause to scrutinise him was when he voted Rump-Wat.

you haven't defended "people". You've defended Gorgon.

I've been accused of defending Peers, hmrox, Rump-Wat and Gorgon.

I mentioned the No Lynch as troubling, however this can be dismissed away as impatience or just plain dumb.

I agree.

As far as Levi; scumhunting and pointing fingers is what this game is about. You should know that better than anyone.

I know. My point was that she wasn't doing it.

As far as everyone else in the game they, as I've stated three different times, have been all over.

Well, they were aimed at NL and you, so some of it was repetition.

Again, I apologize for seemingly just barging in and tossing accusations around, but having read everything all at once certain things stand out.

I understand that and, although I don't think you have very strong reasons, my annoyance wasn't directed at you.

[BlueStar]

Screw this, I still think VitaminR is the one to go for but he's not done anything to explain his actions...

Vote: Northern Light

[BlueStar]

And I'll remember Theo's words and hope I'm right about this. If I am, Vitamin is still next...

[Peers]

Hrm. That was unexpected. By me, at least.

This should be interesting to see if we were right or not.

[LyingBrian]

Day 1

• Northern Lights
  (
  Townie
  ) -
  lynched
  • BlueStar
    
  • Gorgon
    
  • Peers
    
  • VitaminR
• Status:
  Night 1
  
• Deadline:
  FRI 10/12/07 22:00 GMT

[LyingBrian]

Night 1

• Peers
  (
  Townie
  ) -
  Mafia
  
  
  
• Status:
  Day 2
  
• Lynch:
  3 votes

[theopor_COD]

Hmm . . .

I'm going to have a re-read.

Bluestar that hammer was appalling, I wanted Northern Lights to respond to the questions, you by not letting him talk deprived us of information, Yes he may not have responded, Yes he would likely have been lynched anyhow - but I didn't like it one bit - that goes for the setting Vitamin up for the lynch aswell. Peers comments in twilight actually made me think he'd have some prior knowledge of things, frankly it's an odd looking kill right now I'm most concerned about Vitamin and Bluestar - BS more so and well actually Gorgon and Boogzie aswell just a little less so.

[VitaminR]

Bluestar that hammer was appalling, I wanted Northern Lights to respond to the questions, you by not letting him talk deprived us of information.

I agree, though I'm not sure it makes BlueStar more likely to be scum.

[theopor_COD]

Bluestar that hammer was appalling, I wanted Northern Lights to respond to the questions, you by not letting him talk deprived us of information.

I agree, though I'm not sure it makes BlueStar more likely to be scum.

Shrug. I actually had him painted as more pro-town then scum before his hammer. I know from personal experience hammering as scum is quite a viable strategy and then trying to WIFOM it away the next day. Either way we're in a mess.

What do you think about his line here . . . post his hammer?

I still think VitaminR is the one to go for

[Boggzie]

Wow. You scum weren't 100% predictable, but you made the twilight and night interesting.

Bluestar - you have to make me understand why Vit R was supposedly the better choice, but you dropped the hammer on NL without even letting him explain. I made a good case on Vit and you seemed to agree yet you hammered NL? That makes no sense and looks terribly scummy. You even unvoted Vit to only then admit he was the better choice but vote off NL with an unneeded hammer?

Theo - I

do

think Vit's defense of Rump was more than Gorgon, but I wanted Gorgon to state so. His silence was telling.

[BlueStar]

Hmmmm...my first theory was VitaminR and Peers being scum, as Vitamin was defending Peers throughout the thread (see p.9).

When NL en Boggzie came it, I was very surprised that suddenly 2 persons where at a L-1. I unvoted VitaminR, allowed NL to explain himself but he came up with nothing. Leviathan's behaviour had been 50/50 at that point, NL gave us nothing...yeah, I put in the deciding vote and this turning out as a bad call obviously looks bad.

Looking back on things, the whole situation with 2 people being on L-1 seemed warped.

Peers being the one singled out by Mafia is a bit surprising. With my hammer vote, it seems logical they'd keep me in, but if I was Mafia, I'd have gone for theopor_cod as being most pro-town and a good player. Having said that, I don't like your posts at the 2x L-1 situation. It seemed to put you in a complete power-situation...I'm still very shy of VitaminR being town but I first thought his scum buddy could be Peers, then I thought it could be Gorgon, but it never crossed my mind that it might be you.

Need to review things...

[BlueStar]

Bluestar - you have to make me understand why Vit R was supposedly the better choice, but you dropped the hammer on NL without even letting him explain. I made a good case on Vit and you seemed to agree yet you hammered NL? That makes no sense and looks terribly scummy. You even unvoted Vit to only then admit he was the better choice but vote off NL with an unneeded hammer?

This even bothers me...I've been suspicious of VitaminR throughout the thread but unvoted to see what would happen.
NL was being asked questions and wasn't answering them...considering his activity in the thread, it seems he was just avoiding them. Combining this with the low-profile play of Leviathan that was enough for my vote, which I'm very much regretting, as well as me being wrong about Peers (p.9 again).

[theopor_COD]

Having said that, I don't like your posts at the 2x L-1 situation.

Do explain why? Don't just throw it out as an accusation back it up with a decent argument. I explained why I wouldn't hammer either, I would not have hammered anyone until NL had answered the questions, which you obviously were not willing to listen too, appreciate there was a deadline but we were still a day or so away from that.

Where's Gorgon?