Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[TheDominator37]

I agree
VOTE: Dom

[TheDominator37]

Dom's self vote is a subconscious scum claimVOTE: dom

Oh noes. You cought me

[TheDominator37]

UNVOTE:

Why did you unvote?

Dom's self vote is a subconscious scum claimVOTE: dom

RVS or no?

Ahem, my bad. A little hydra dissonance here. I'm sure you'd understand, Titus.

UNVOTE:
-DS

Why the unvote?

VOTE: Code of Honor

Clearly a double agent signing her real name instead of her cover one

What do you think of the BlackStar wagon and her jump off of Dom?

actually better than the Black Star wagon tbh!

It really isn't, BlackStar wagon is a good wagon.

OK
VOTE: BBT

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: thedominator37 you're not gonna dominate any of us

VOTE: Dominator

He knows why.

VOTE: TheDominator
Let's get that classy rvs wagon going!

~Dwlee

I agree
VOTE: Dom

UNVOTE:

He panicked and unvoted the wagon. I think that's scummy.
~Dwlee

Scummy because him and I are buddies?

[TheDominator37]

Hmm
VOTE: banta

[TheDominator37]

All hail
VOTE: DK

[TheDominator37]

Explain kt

[TheDominator37]

Explain kt

I did

What is my scum meta?

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: thedominator37 you're not gonna dominate any of us

VOTE: Dominator

He knows why.

VOTE: TheDominator
Let's get that classy rvs wagon going!

~Dwlee

I agree
VOTE: Dom

UNVOTE:

He panicked and unvoted the wagon. I think that's scummy.
~Dwlee

Scummy because him and I are buddies?

Dwlee pls

[TheDominator37]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

[TheDominator37]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

^good place to look for a DK partner if they flip scum
Bearbert D

Pls explain

[TheDominator37]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

^good place to look for a DK partner if they flip scum
Bearbert D

Pls explain

You changed the vote from the wagon for no apparent reason.

I haven't voted dragon all game O_o

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: FA_Q2

Every post has avoided the Dragon Knight wagon and surrounding furor completely. Instead narrowly focuses on BBT.

Discuss ...

Don't like this post. Almost feels as if it is a chainsaw defense

[TheDominator37]

Idk I still like my vote on banta

[TheDominator37]

All hail
VOTE: DK

Sure you haven't

Maybe not. That was a joke btw. Which is why I switched back

[TheDominator37]

All hail
VOTE: DK

Sure you haven't

Maybe not. That was a joke btw. Which is why I switched back

[TheDominator37]

Dwlee where's my boy KT?

[TheDominator37]

Dwlee where's my boy KT?

So no response at all to my calling out your weak chainsaw comment as just that? No real scum-hunting is taking place in your ISO. Have a vote

VOTE: Dominator

Magna, how much of your scum read on Blackstar could be easily explained by him being a bad town player? That would be my read at this point.

Bearbert D

It is certainly possible. Which is why I haven’t voted him and started the push to get him lynched. His play is scummy on several fronts but could be “bad, inexperienced Town”.

I would like fro you to address my earlier point about this being role-madness.

If you are referring to the following -

So, rolemadness huh. Did you guys remember scum has roles in these kind of power-heavy games as well? Oh yeah power-heavy, that makes it very likely there are several investigatives in this setup as well.

I’m not sure what you want me to address. So we are in a role-madness game. And that makes DK’s claim Null. So what? Regardless it is still terrible play to lynch DK today if they are uncounter-claimed. Regardless of whether they could be scum either fake-claiming or claiming a Role Cop or other scum variant. DK will be re-assessed Day 2 if he survives the night. Wasting time discussing this is just that – a waste.

And I see you more or less understand this at 280. Now I’m wondering why you went to such trouble to question people / point out that issue if you understand that his claim isn’t a “Get out of Jail Free” card for the rest of the game and is simply allowing him to be tabled til Day 2.

Magma, once you become a leading wagon for 7/7 games you're in, you cease to care about who's on your wagon. Without a flip, the only thing worth going on is reading and meta. I'm much better at meta, and it works often for me.
E.g. DGB is saga frontier, other examples I can't say.

The fact that you just wrote the pharse “I’m much better at meta and it works often for me” without a hint of irony make me want to result to Smilies so I can put the face-palm Smilie right here. Meta isn’t scum-hunting. Meta is “Lololo take my word for it lololo”.

@magna why is that your "third ding"?

What is to explain? It is the third time a post of yours has registered in my gut as suspect. I see your “I was trying to get a read” explanation which I find if I assess that at my most charitable is “junk terrible play”.

Idk I'm not taking this game too seriously. More in it to have fun

[TheDominator37]

I'm going to wait out KT. So only banter until KT comes here

[TheDominator37]

Dwlee where's my boy KT?

Dieing of school and swim team


mostly swim team

oh yea, I'm catching up right now
~KT

I have school robotics 2 different bands and homework and yet I still have time for this. Pls KT

[TheDominator37]

Jeanne might be a scum watcher
VOTE: Jeanne

[TheDominator37]

Hi

[TheDominator37]

Dragon I can agree with you. Ranger's counting skills are REALLY triggering my OCD sensors ensuring he is mafia

[TheDominator37]

Scum team is banta and polar/ranger

[TheDominator37]

I don't know anymore. I'm not used to Ranger giving that huge elaborations on reads unprompted.. I also have an issue with her comparing magna to another player, I want to see magna's response. Other than that, her readslists seem good enough to me, I don't agree with everything but I'm also not under the impression my reads are 100% correct at this point.
I want BBT to come in and read and share thoughts, most of all I want him to throw some questions my way. My reads on clumsy and Faq have changed to null in the last couple of pages and currently I don't know where I stand on anyone else. I'll do some rereads later.

I I kind of thought the same thing. She is trying too hard to be town.

[TheDominator37]

Dragon I can agree with you. Ranger's counting skills are REALLY triggering my OCD sensors ensuring he is mafia

What does this even mean? Where is she counting, and why does that ensure that she's scum?

Scum team is banta and polar/ranger

But you just said that you were sure that Ranger is scum.

VOTE: TheDominator37

-Xk

Sarcasm...

[TheDominator37]

Who the heck is Ircher.

My alt

[TheDominator37]

BBT is seriously town, by the way.

Just thought I'd say it again.

I'd fight any attempt to lynch him to the bitter end, as of 603.

What the heck is this?

[TheDominator37]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

Don't take everything seriously...

[TheDominator37]

Should probably lynch PV after FA flips scum.

Can we lynch you when he flips town

[TheDominator37]

Should probably lynch PV after FA flips scum.

I see OMGUS is your only trick like expected

Bearbert

OMGUS doesn't work. The only reason anyone would meantion it is if it were a buzzword

[TheDominator37]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

You should read his noob game.

That was like 6 months ago lol

[TheDominator37]

Yeah, okay, past page 20.

We're definitely not lynching Ranger today, and that's final.

Can you like have any reason. At all? Or are you just trying to make as much crap up as you can?

[TheDominator37]

You dont lynch someone just cuz they have a string scum game. Ranger has an equally strong town game, so your point is?

Jeanne was scummy for lurking, generally, I'd like to PL any lurking slots. But, the slot claimed watcher -- not lynching a potentially useful role that is also a very powerful player D1.

So we should PL half the game? Good idea

[TheDominator37]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Ranger (93%) - Claim timing was unwarranted. Lurking != Scum, so I can excuse Jeanne's play. Ranger has done a good deal of scumhunting having replaced in, so therefore, I'm leaning town. Finally, all the reasons to lynch her are either very weak or just plain stupid. We are not lynching this slot D1. I might reconsider D2, but we're not lynching the scumhunting, logical, un-counterclaimed watcher.
Dragon (91%) - I have no reason to townread this slot aside from the claim which I still think was easy to make and very survivalistic and the fact that I think they truly believe that Ranger is scum, despite their awful reasoning. Motive IS a tell, and this slot seems to have the town motive and doing stuff typical of being town, so that's why a townread despite all odds.
Polar (90%) - Next to Ranger, I really like this slot... a lot. Scumhunting, using logical and rationale thought, and keeping an open perspective that is less prone to bias. Definitely wouldn't lynch this slot D1. Also, reminder that this slot claimed to be ascetic.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
BBT (83%) - Meta tell. Last time I played with this slot, he was just as "lazy", biased, and in general, doing things at his own pace the way he wanted. He was town that game, so probably same here. Would like more though.
Banter (75%) - This slot is okay. Few quelms early game, but overall, they seem to be fine. Would note that their activity has dropped recently though.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Masq (0%) - Pls post more and stop lurking.
FA_Q2 (0%) - Earlier said 3rd pick -- Forgot about code when I said that. This slot also needs to stop lurking.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Black (+55%) - Some... interesting things from this slot early game. Feel like the slot was being genuine with his reactions, but haven't seen too much effort to find scum.
Dom (+35%) - I'll state that this slot seems to be active lurking right now, and isn't being useful. Nonetheless, I'm inclined to err on the side of town cuz of early game.
Code (-45%) - This slot is barely doing anything and rather disappointing. The few things they have done read as more likely to have a scum motive than a town one. Still, not top priority right now.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Scourge (-60%) - This slot is also not really contributing and tbh, I feel that the few times they have contributed, it was always after the weakest links they could break with minimal suspicion being cast.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Magna (-90%) - Like Dragon, insists on lynching Ranger. Unlike Dragon, unwilling to compromise for nothing, not committed to aforementioned read (didnt vote for at least 10 pages despite constantly bring it up), and busy searching for stupid reasons to scumread Ranger for. And said reasons are worse than Dragon's as they have ZERO evidence backing them.

I am scum for the same reason masq is null...

[TheDominator37]

You dont lynch someone just cuz they have a string scum game. Ranger has an equally strong town game, so your point is?

Jeanne was scummy for lurking, generally, I'd like to PL any lurking slots. But, the slot claimed watcher -- not lynching a potentially useful role that is also a very powerful player D1.

So we should PL half the game? Good idea

To clarify: Those who are doing extensive lurking: FA and Masq rn.

But, why are you guys being so keen on spotting the "slightest" flaw. And am I pushing for a PL roght now? I dont think so.

Oh you just want to lynch people because they disagree with you. My bad.

[TheDominator37]

You dont lynch someone just cuz they have a string scum game. Ranger has an equally strong town game, so your point is?

Jeanne was scummy for lurking, generally, I'd like to PL any lurking slots. But, the slot claimed watcher -- not lynching a potentially useful role that is also a very powerful player D1.

So we should PL half the game? Good idea

To clarify: Those who are doing extensive lurking: FA and Masq rn.

But, why are you guys being so keen on spotting the "slightest" flaw. And am I pushing for a PL roght now? I dont think so.

Oh you just want to lynch people because they disagree with you. My bad.

Stop with the sarcasm. Ive yet to express a scumread on you... Dont make me change my mind.

All the reasoning I've heard from you is my reads don't lead up with yours. They must be mafia

[TheDominator37]

VT in Role Madness!?!??
VOTE: Code

[TheDominator37]

Back for V/LA –

Well just a quick scan of thread tells me I don’t have time to mess around with this stupid wagon on me. So I’m claiming.

I’m and Informed Survivor (SMS Computer Algorithm). That’s right I’m 3rd party. I win if I survive til the end of the game regardless of who wins. I got three pieces of information in my role PM about the set-up itself.

1. There is a lyncher in the game.
2. There are two 3rd Parties in game.
3. There are at least three different possible kill sources in the game.

My play surrounding Ranger was 100% based on the fact that his lazy call of me as 100% scum without so much as building a case was a strong player replacing into the lyncher slot with me as the target. Now that Diamond has actually flipped that role and is still a non-3rd party (argue if you want but Semi-Town is still Town) I’m in agreement we have a Serial Killer in the game. Because if the other lyncher was not 3rd Party I don’t see any other reasonable non-Bastard roles that fulfill the second piece of information (since I am the first 3rd Party role).

If you want some breadcrumbing from me go to 512 and note my comment to Banter regarding 3rd Parties not being in a Mini game.

And I’m personally pretty sure I’ve already pointed out who the last Mafia member is.

VOTE: Dom

481 is a classic scum oops where he forgets that Town doesn’t know his scum team is only two players. And the hop on Code at 902 when the issue was already decided is literally worst last second bussing ever. Maybe on the off chance Dom is the Serial Killer but I’m fairly confident he’s the Mafia boss.

First: Code didn't fight for his survival. That leads me to think the other wagon(Magna) was also scum. He didn't want to lynch Magna not because he liked him, but because he didn't like Ircher who was attacking Magna. That means defending his partner without really defending.
Second: The chainsaw on Ircher was ridiculous. Code was in a good position before he went after Ircher. Why did he need to go after Ircher in such a bad way? They could have left their heads down and not stick out that much. I think Code was getting scared of a Magna lynch where the momentum was going.
Third: Read the flavor for Code's flip. It says that the other scum is their boss. That would be a good idea why Code preferred to be lynched instead of Magna.
Fourth: Ranger is dead. Ranger was the leader of the Magna wagon.
Fifth(not related): I think we've got a serial killer in the game. I believe Ranger was killed by the scum and DK by the Sk. Another theory would suggest Ranger being killed by DK but that makes absolutely no sense with DK's lyncher role.

Yeah this is bad. Bearbert if you seriously think the best method for one two-man Mafia team to deal with each other is when both are under fairly solid suspicion is to call each other strong Town reads then I can’t help you. Perhaps a trip back to the Newbie queue would do you good.

I will add I think it is funny you basically said “Ranger will get worked out overnight” which means you expected her death due to the claim and then when that happens the only logical reason is that she suspected me.

Faq, I'm going to get back to you on BBT but first want to do this.

VOTE: magna
It's Monday.

Yeah on the off chance I am wrong about Dom this should be the next lynch looking for the Mafia boss. The whole dance around “Well Magna is V/LA so no need to turbo lynch” combined with this vote literally 9 hours into today reads as scum who knows I’m not flipping Mafia and wanted to look Town for being careful.

I never said that there was 2 members of the scum team. Just my reads.

[TheDominator37]

I'm ok with lynching Dom today. Will have to check with Snowstorm. That slips seems pretty solid. But I don't trust magna one bit. Don't trust him at all after we die. It could very well be a fakeclaim

But no, Magna, the fact that I think you buddied each other doesn't mean I don't know how scum buss. I'm a big fan of bussing. But sometimes experienced players decide to protect each other strongly. And with the precarious position both of you were in I could certainly see something like that. I've seen that as well. So don't imply I don't know how to play the game based on that. It's silly as fuck. And note I never said that Ranger getting killed was only based on the fact that she suspected you. I just used it as a point in the case(the weakest one actually)

Do the two third parties include you? Because I see no reason for the mod to word it like that.

Bearbert

Why are we already compromising on lynch targets :/

[TheDominator37]

What has either of the banta heads done other than sheep and lurk lol.
VOTE: Banta

[TheDominator37]

Which is why would should not jump to a lynch as soon as possible

[TheDominator37]

Ima cop.
BBT is inno