Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[BlackStar]

I've never been the first poster before

[BlackStar]

VOTE: thedominator37 you're not gonna dominate any of us

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Why?

[BlackStar]

Why is everyone continuing RVS when we caught blackstar.
~Dwlee

Because you didn't catch anything.

[BlackStar]

I unvoted because it felt like too many people were getting on the wagon. Also, I'm a he not a her. I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they like their vote on me

[BlackStar]

I didn't panick. Don't know how you could even come to that conclusion.

[BlackStar]

I also don't like how you've been trying to rush us out of RVS. Especially on a flimsy reason like this.

[BlackStar]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Did you tell us this because you thought that not hiding it would make you seem more like town?

[BlackStar]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Did you tell us this because you thought that not hiding it would make you seem more like town?

Did you read the post? Because the answer is very explicitly in there.

-Snow

This is Mafia. Saying things doesn't necessarily make it true.

[BlackStar]

No offense, but you guys are weird

[BlackStar]

@BBT I don't like when they become big really quickly. It feels unnatural. I know at dominator voted himself, but it still seemed weird that he got 4 votes in like 10 minutes. And then when I unvoted you all jumped on my wagon without being able to explain why you think I was being scummy. You actually still haven't done that, BBT.

[BlackStar]

"Because I didn't like the unvote. It stalls progression of the game and wagons are fantastic fun!" Not a solid reason at all.

[BlackStar]

Nah. It's not stalling progression. Because I unvoted, we moved out of RVS and people started asking serious questions. And it's not like I did it with the purpose of "stalling progression". Town and scum both do that, accidentally and on purpose, so it's weird how you were immediately like "yeah, we definitely need to lynch him". You have literally no reason to feel so strongly about lynching me. It feels forced

[BlackStar]

I haven't shown you drama yet

[BlackStar]

Make us trust you

[BlackStar]

There's a good chance that he's town. Look how easy it was to get him to L-1. Plus nobody has tried to defend him yet or start a counter wagon. Also, everyone else who has voted on them only has one or two. So statistically speaking, it's likely that there are a few scum on his wagon.

[BlackStar]

*votes

[BlackStar]

There are 6 people voting him. At least 2 of them have to be scum

[BlackStar]

There are 6 people voting him. At least 2 of them have to be scum

Have to? I'm pretty sure no statistics will tell you this. I'd expect one scum on the wagon personally.

Bearbert D

Same here, and that's basically regardless of DK's alignment.

In fact, if DK is town, then, given the ease in which town has obviously voted them, it's more beneficial for scum to be OFF the wagon, than on.

I'd only expect there to be more than one scum on the wagon if DK actually flipped scum.

It's too early for pre-flip associations, so let's just lynch him so it's no longer pre-flip.

-Xk

There are 6 people voting him. At least 2 of them have to be scum

Well, you've already gone from "a few," down to 2.

If you believe that there are 2 scum on their wagon though, then that means you believe that there are 4 town on their wagon. But your original reasoning for believing that DK is town was how fast their wagon formed. So, something isn't adding up.

It sounds to me like, before, you were saying that their wagon formed so quickly because a bunch of scum quickly voted for him. But now, you are saying that only 2 are voting for him, but you still believe he's town for the same reasons?

-Xk

I have no idea what you're saying

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to quote that first post

[BlackStar]

I also don't like how you've been trying to rush us out of RVS

. Especially on a flimsy reason like this.

Nah. It's not stalling progression.

Because I unvoted, we moved out of RVS and people started asking serious questions.

And it's not like I did it with the purpose of "stalling progression". Town and scum both do that, accidentally and on purpose, so it's weird how you were immediately like "yeah, we definitely need to lynch him". You have literally no reason to feel so strongly about lynching me. It feels forced

Hey Blackstar - if you could explain why you didn't like someone rushing us out of RVS while then explaining how your unvote did just that it would be great!

I didn't want us to rush out of RVS. But it happened anyway because you guys find everything scummy. It's pretty straight forward

[BlackStar]

I also don't like how you've been trying to rush us out of RVS

. Especially on a flimsy reason like this.

Nah. It's not stalling progression.

Because I unvoted, we moved out of RVS and people started asking serious questions.

And it's not like I did it with the purpose of "stalling progression". Town and scum both do that, accidentally and on purpose, so it's weird how you were immediately like "yeah, we definitely need to lynch him". You have literally no reason to feel so strongly about lynching me. It feels forced

Hey Blackstar - if you could explain why you didn't like someone rushing us out of RVS while then explaining how your unvote did just that it would be great!

I didn't want us to rush out of RVS. But it happened anyway because you guys find everything scummy. It's pretty straight forward

Why do you think DK thought you hated RVS?

I guess he misunderstood the situation. I don't hate it

[BlackStar]

DK. Give us reads. Town, scum, whatever, reads.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: polarvortex

[BlackStar]

I need to reread everything too

[BlackStar]

^ also want to ask why avoid my points on BBT entirely? If my focus there was so noteworthy you would think the logic there would at least merit a statement.

If you are talking about 207 I think you don’t really have a leg to stand on. Policy lynching is not alignment indicative. And I think you are stretching that there is much in the way of scum motivation for his response. In fact given he was under little pressure at the time the fact BBT went out of his way to be quasi-antagonistic doesn’t strike me as very likely scum motivated. The negative reaction it seems to have garnered I’d say if he’s scum it was a pretty stupid move. And while I have limited experience reading BBT what I have read says he’s not stupid.

VOTE: polarvortex

I will lynch this if there is momentum this way. This is the third ding on my radar Blackstar has made.

Ok, I'm 100% for lynching Jeanne. Lurking is a scum tell for her, so fmpov, we've just caught a scum 100%.

VOTE: Jeanne11

Let's lynch lurkers right away, and don't let them reach endgame where the waters are muddied.

So you just threw a hissy fit when you got a wagon for what you perceived to be no reasons / policy reasons. And your next move is to push a policy lynch for meta reasons as opposed to looking at all the people on your supposedly terrible wagon?

Do you feel with your claim keeping you alive today you want to continue to be scummy?

Don't like this post. Almost feels as if it is a chainsaw defense

I don’t like this post. Almost feels like a chainsaw defense of FAQ2. See how pointless that sort of statement is?

Do you think FA has solid points on BBT?

He plays like a person I know when they're scum

Funny you are playing just like someone I know who plays that was as scum. You must be scum also!

@magna why is that your "third ding"?

[BlackStar]

Magna, how much of your scum read on Blackstar could be easily explained by him being a bad town player? That would be my read at this point.

Bearbert D

I'm not bad.

[BlackStar]

Magna, how much of your scum read on Blackstar could be easily explained by him being a bad town player? That would be my read at this point.

Bearbert D

I'm not bad.

I wouldn't say you're bad either, but some of the things you say are way off the mark, from a logical standpoint (your conclusion as to how many scum were on the DK wagon, for example).

I gotta think you're probably town here, though. I remember you doing a lot of the same things in NY 193 as town.

I also disagree with your vote on Polar Vortex. What are your thoughts on them? Basically, the only post of theirs that I didn't like was their first one where they over-explained their reasoning for claiming ascetic.

-Xk

I just wanted to see how he'd react, but he hasn't said anything about it

[BlackStar]

@masquerade I don't have a read on him. That's why I voted him. To see if I could get a better read. That's not gonna happen now though.

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

@magns I'm just going to completely disregard you now.

[BlackStar]

@masquerade I don't have a read on him. That's why I voted him. To see if I could get a better read. That's not gonna happen now though.

UNVOTE:

What reaction would you have liked?

Any reaction

[BlackStar]

Let's fry Jeanne. Lurk=scumtell, and we should never let a lurker reach D3, if we can help it. It only helps scum.

I don't like it when people lurk either, but some people could make the argument that this post is a cop out because you don't have any reads

[BlackStar]

I am a PR that is close to DK's claim. Oh, and for emphasis, I said

close to it

not

same as it

Why are you saying this now?

[BlackStar]

The niches in which they operate are completely different. You can't replace a cop with a watcher in a game and call it balanced. Tracker or Rolecop, maybe, but definitely not watcher.

Anyways, enough setup speculation. Hmm, let's comment on...

Nothing. There's nothing Jeanne has given that's worth commenting on. Well, that's scummy.

You're trying way too hard, man...

[BlackStar]

BBT, can you stop saying that you'll read it later? This is like the second time

[BlackStar]

Dwlee where's my boy KT?

Dieing of school and swim team


mostly swim team

oh yea, I'm catching up right now
~KT

I have school robotics 2 different bands and homework and yet I still have time for this. Pls KT

you don't have swim practice 5 days a week and every day it leaves you so sore you need to rest eat dinner and go to sleep

I used to have swim practice. I only felt sore for the first 2 weeks and then I felt completely fine after each practice.

[BlackStar]

Because as a member of the town, claiming for no reason on day 1 doesn't help anyone. It makes you an easy target for scum. If Jeanne really has a pr, the why would she put herself at risk so early on before she could even get a result? And it's suspicious that Jeanne only showed up after people started talking about lynching them.

[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

I don't know who to vote

[BlackStar]

VOTE: dragon knight

[BlackStar]

What's so bad about it?

[BlackStar]

What's so bad about it?

You go from saying "hmm, I doubt that Jeanne is town, which means DK is probably town" to naked voting us. Yeah, stop sucking or die.

I never said you were town though

[BlackStar]

Neither. And it's not like I'm pushing hard for your lynch or presenting a case against you or anything. So why are you so bent out of shape over a measly vote?

[BlackStar]

What's so bad about it?

You go from saying "hmm, I doubt that Jeanne is town, which means DK is probably town" to naked voting us. Yeah, stop sucking or die.

I never said you were town though

So you were thinking scum theatre. Which happens how often? Oh yeah, never.

I was null on you. I still am. Your overreaction is weird though

[BlackStar]

I really think we should look at Dom hard. He's done absolutely nothing towny. Neither has Jeanne, but at least she's replaced and maybe the replacement will be better. Also, DK could be helpful with the role

While I agree with you about Dom, the experience I have with him is kinda this. I think he'd be a good investigative target.

I'd like people to unvote jeanne, because I'm sure Ranger has some thoughts she wants to add.
Hi Ranger! Did you replace into a town-slot? I hope you did.

masquerade, having found your main may ask why you need an alt?
~Dwlee

First, I'd appreciate it if you kept my main to yourself Second, I'd rather not say because that defeats the entire purpose of my alt.

You're voting a cop claim on D1. Either you're stupid or you're scum. Which is it?

And you're voting a tracker-claim. Tell me how Blackstar is being bad.

@Blackstar:

Why are you voting a null-read that claimed cop?

They jump on every opportunity to try and join the biggest wagons. They're just so eager to see anyone but themselves get lynched. It makes me uneasy.

[BlackStar]

Code of honor, and a real scourge seem like town. Jeanne was acting scummy before they left

[BlackStar]

And I don't like some of Banterlords's posts

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Blackstar

Mind explaining this?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Blackstar

Mind explaining this?

I'm convinced you're either stupid or you're going for WIFOM,

"too scummy to be scum"

Where do you see that? And how does any of that warrant a vote?

[BlackStar]

Also, I asked Masquerade not you

[BlackStar]

Hi Ranger! Did you replace into a town-slot? I hope you did.

Very much so, yes. Of course, my role happens to be ill-suited for my slot (it's not a role which meshes well with my typical play), but I would prefer not being forced to claim all the same.

Btw, from what I've seen so far: I've picked up that apparently, BlackStar is a tracker.

I believe the role. I don't believe he's town.

???

[BlackStar]

can we get the VC?

Side note, I don't understand why I'm everyone's top scumread now

[BlackStar]

What does that have to do with your read list?

[BlackStar]

If the reasoning behind your reads sounds genuine then we can believe that your slot is really town. But if it doesn't sound genuine or you refuse to give the reasoning, then you'll just seem scummy. So you explaining your reads will benefit or hurt the person who replaces in after you

[BlackStar]

Well BBT isn't really around so all Faq basically would be able to do is repeat what he's been saying before.
I don't know why people are so hung up over my DK-vote. It's gone already and now I'm voting Blackstar.

I can see why people think scourge is distant, I don't know if that makes them scum though. Because I kind of recognize myself in there. I didn't really find anything of big concern in their iso, maybe that should be a concern?
Faq, you're back to null because you weren't overly defensive when I was voting you. I don't know what you mean with this:

tried to bet BBT to put up a case for you

All I can think of that might have triggered you to ask this is me asking BBT to ask me some questions. I did that because I know if BBT is town his questions help me get focus. He asks things that I forget to think about.

I thought I explained my vote on Blackstar already but turns out I didn't.

They jump on every opportunity to try and join the biggest wagons. They're just so eager to see anyone but themselves get lynched. It makes me uneasy.

This is not true. There is some votehopping at the start and the only major wagons we had were on DK and jeanne and DK has consistently pushed jeanne/Ranger ever since they were wagoned. 5 posts before that one, Bs said DK was a nullread. At this stage of the game I think he should have stronger reads and shouldn't have to still naked-vote null-reads to get a better read on them. It feels like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but he really isn't.

If you look back at all of my games you'll see that I suck at scum hunting

[BlackStar]

If you look back at all of my games you'll see that I suck at scum hunting

I played with you before and this time I think you suck because you're scum.
You said jeanne looked scummy, yet you never voted her. You did vote several null-reads though so it's not like you're hesitant with your votes either. You were actually defending her when DK started pushing her, see 300, 329, 360.

I'm always town. Always.

[BlackStar]

Unless you count the 1 game where I got to choose my alignment.

[BlackStar]

If you look back at all of my games you'll see that I suck at scum hunting

I played with you before and this time I think you suck because you're scum.
You said jeanne looked scummy, yet you never voted her. You did vote several null-reads though so it's not like you're hesitant with your votes either. You were actually defending her when DK started pushing her, see 300, 329, 360.

Just looked at those first 2 posts that you linked. I wasn't defending Jeanne lol. I was pointing out the sketchiness of those posts by DK

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

VOTE: fa_q2
I should've voted for you a while ago

[BlackStar]

VOTE: fa_q2
I should've voted for you a while ago

So is this yet another Null read you are looking to get something out of? If not why should you have made this vote "a while ago"?

Dial down the snark. Anyways, he's parked his vote for an entire week, he barely posts and all his votes just give off the feeling that he's trying to hard to look like town

[BlackStar]

@magna Look at all of his posts. The way that they're worded just sounds really fake to me. Like he thought "this is what someone who is town would say" before he posted them

[BlackStar]

@masquerade I can't even remember the reasons people gave for why they think dominator is scum

[BlackStar]

@magna Look at all of his posts. The way that they're worded just sounds really fake to me. Like he thought "this is what someone who is town would say" before he posted them

Ok so you are reading for tone then? Meh I'm not big on tone as a good alignment indicator but I do know other players have some success (or at least claim it) on that front.

Can you summarize your reads at this point - who is Town and Scum. Yes, you may not be certain of Scum. If I put a gun to your head and made you name 3 players with a quick reason (ok, 2 with FA already provided) who would you choose?

FA, ranger and probably you

[BlackStar]

Scourge is also suspicious because they're just hiding

[BlackStar]

@masquerade I can't even remember the reasons people gave for why they think dominator is scum

Doesn't matter, I asked if

you

are willing to lynch Dom.

If I don't know what he's done that scummy, why would I lynch him?

[BlackStar]

I don't know what he's done that scummy

[BlackStar]

VOTE: ranger

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE: I just realized that u don't like anyone on the ranger wagon.

[BlackStar]

*I

[BlackStar]

Again, you aren't reading, so I have no obligation to tell you.

You DO have an obligation to follow the rules, though.

-Xk

They already said they don't care about signing their posts. The mod already called them out on that

[BlackStar]

VOTE: codeofhonor

[BlackStar]

As much as I wish to say Code is scum,

I have my doubts; for meta reasons.

Care to share with the rest of the class?

[BlackStar]

Anyone could do that as town or scum though

[BlackStar]

You're starting to give off some really bad vibes, ranger

[BlackStar]

Eagerness to hammer is NEVER scummy. Not with the site's current meta. Let's just throw that out there. Ranger is starting to look town here.

Id be willing to bet you're being coached, but first I've gotta find that coach.

You changed your mind that fast?

[BlackStar]

There's no good excuse for breaking the mod's rules

[BlackStar]

Code of honor, are you around?

[BlackStar]

You can't hammer if they're only at L-2

[BlackStar]

Look at the VC that you just quoted. Code of honor has 5 votes. It says right there that you need 7 votes to lynch

[BlackStar]

Oh okay haha

[BlackStar]

What's with people in this game and repeating what other people have already said?

[BlackStar]

Bussing would imply he was actually close to getting lynched. That wasn't the case, so you're reaching.

[BlackStar]

Any thoughts on Magna, Blackstar?

Bearbert

Ir seemed like he really wanted me to get lynched and I didn't like his reasoning for it.

[BlackStar]

I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

I don't think anyone would want to answer that

[BlackStar]

Would massclaim be a bad idea right now?

There wouldn't really be any way to confirm most of our roles, and it would make it easier for scum to choose their targets. So yeah, probably not a good idea

[BlackStar]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone randomly die without explanation in the middle of the day before

[BlackStar]

VOTE: magna

[BlackStar]

I think that dk's death would be because of a strongman.

Oh yeah didn't even think about that, that's a good possibility.

Blackstar, why magna?

BBT was voting him and ended up getting killed. I don't think we should just ignore that

[BlackStar]

Also, Blackstar, what did you think of magna's claim?

I don't believe him. Hence the vote

[BlackStar]

BBT was voting him and ended up getting killed. I don't think we should just ignore that

Ok, lets talk. Why would BBT be the one to get daykilled when he wasn't the only one on magna's wagon today?

*shrugs* I guess I could look through his posts again

[BlackStar]

Dom, claim

[BlackStar]

VOTE: dominator
That was the worst claim I've ever seen

[BlackStar]

It's a common massclaim style. This way you make sure the scum don't actively wait until last to claim.

But the first thing you did was say that you'll go last. How do we know that you're not scum?

[BlackStar]

I'm here and catching up.

Don't massclaim today.

To late. We already started this.

We have this game bagged anyway unless we play very poorly anyway. There are 7 players left and 5 should be town, 1 3p and one SK or SK like role. Not bad odds if you ask me. Particularly considering that the kill was prevented last night.

It's a role madness game, no?

Scum can pull fakeclaims out of their asses.

Claiming only hurts us.

It's possibly that we can catch scum right here if they make a bogus claim. Why are you acting like there's a 0% chance of that happening?

[BlackStar]

Ok....

FA_Q2 claim next

I am the Taxi Traitor Test, a role cop and investigative immune. I cannot be detected by watchers and the like. There are other details that come with this but I will share those after the claim and we start identifying targets/info.

Dwlee99 is up next

I'll go last, if anyone else has info they can go after me or whenever. Everyone without info goes before me.

I know blacksand's role and if he agrees with me I think that he should go dead last AFTER we have all claimed AND claimed targets/info. He may be able to ferret out a liar.

Sorry Klingon, but I think we should listen to fa_q2

[BlackStar]

Who did you target on n1?

[BlackStar]

Also what do you mean by "essentially you're a role blocker?" Go into detail about exactly what your punch does

[BlackStar]

I don't know if I should believe you. Your role is way too similar to mine and I don't think the town should have this much power.

I'm the train facilities. I can force commute people which means that I protect them and stop them from doing their night abilities. I targeted the banterlords on night one and dwlee last night

[BlackStar]

I'm pretty sure that we should lynch magna, but there's also a chance that somebody tried to attack dwlee and I blocked it

[BlackStar]

go for it

[BlackStar]

actually, don't. do we really want to take the chance of killing a town cop?

[BlackStar]

Intent to hammer

[BlackStar]

VOTE: klingoncelt

[BlackStar]

I'm gonna listen to Magna this time VOTE: Masquerade

[BlackStar]

Fa_q2 wanted masquerade dead and now he's been night killed. And as soon as the day started masquerade made this lame excuse. We need to lynch him. If we're wrong then we can just lynch magna the next day and win

[BlackStar]

Dang, that was fast

[BlackStar]

Oh, I thought magna voted. Nvm

UNVOTE:
I don't want a quick hammer

[BlackStar]

Um guys as much as I'm sure Masq is the scum the thread's been open a whopping hour or so. I think waiting to hear from Icher before night is a pretty good plan.

That's why I unvoted

[BlackStar]

Should read up on other game but it's not slow enough for that so just annoying you guys. i mean,

I

am

a town BULLY.

Punch ALL

We'll find out soon enough.

[BlackStar]

what is happening

We're making jokes. Wanna join in?

[BlackStar]

Did they play Immigrant Song?

[BlackStar]

I wanted to hammer :/

[BlackStar]

Gg

[BlackStar]

GG. Thanks for letting me play, Shos.

So why did you guys lynch me, Respect? Shame, shame...

I voted for you, left and when I came back a little while later you'd already been lynched