Mini 1792: Baccano! Mafia [Game Over]

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Aristo


My gamblers fallacy says you rolled scum this game.

~Beeboy

Love you too Beebs!
Your fallacy is just that though!

Nice vote. I can dig it.

VOTE: Aristo

You too Nahdia?
Right in the feelz!

[Aristophanes]

Yo. I'm ascetic. So like, don't target me with shit, and lynch me the day before lylo for safety.

Ciao.

How exciting!
I was ascetic in the last Baccano! game here!

I guess I can't be crossed that you're claiming this so early. It makes sense really.

[Aristophanes]

Loved, hated, and aescetic already?
This should be interesting..

[Aristophanes]

So many modifiers already. Goodness~

I have never seen anyone announced loved before.

~Suz

Me neither, but I suppose it doesn't hurt us...

[Aristophanes]

I have a question

@MOD: Does being immune to all kills include lynches

Doubtful, else he'd auto-win

[Aristophanes]

no because the game could end.

Just read the PM. I see now.

[Aristophanes]

Somehow I'm 6 pages behind...
Oh well!

[Aristophanes]

DREAM UPON THE STARS
DESTINY SHALL NEVER CROSS
HEAVEN HEAR OUR CALL
THESE TEARS ARE NOT FOR NAUGHT

VOTE: FATE

Love this post!
You are the Star of the game thus far!

[Aristophanes]

Nahdia and florestan scum slipped. Every town player knows the identity on maiza and the fact that they suggested they don't is pretty bad.

~bee

Nahdia did no such thing. Flores did though. We should probably lynch them.

[Aristophanes]

Could still be mafia? Or does the mafia know Mazia?

Well they claimed their modifier is public so I assumed that means they were told it would be immediately reflected in the vote count?

OP says modifiers will not be reflected in the VCs.

...loved is proved by attempting to lynch someone. If they lied, they get lynched when it would instead be l-1. And it doesn't mean they're not mafia.

Scum know who Maiza is (based on sample pm) so I want you to break down to me what makes it a slip if he isn't the assassin.

~Bee

You have a sample Scum PM??

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so scratch that bit about WL and PMs.
I'm still confused by the Loved role modifier being modconfirmed, since it is stated that modifiers won't be confirmed in VCs.
I read some stupid shit the last page or so.
Like, dumb shit.

Anyway though, Flores should prolly be lynched.
VOTE: Flores

[Aristophanes]

Aritso+Camntsuki+???? which chucklefuck wants to join the scumteam

Ahahaha!

You wish

Nice case btw.

[Aristophanes]

Where the hell is my Katsuki wagon?

You fucking rookies

Look here's my case on Katsuki:

THEY ARE SCUM AND I GUARANTEE IT WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY CREDIBILITY AND BEING

Why and How can you guarantee this?
I think you are wrong.

[Aristophanes]

I beg to differ!

And I can pull whatever obvscum shit I want!
I have a reputation as an easy mislynch to uphold you k ow!

[Aristophanes]

Why you and Staeg?
I am on the fence on them.

[Aristophanes]

Let's dance then!
I've always wanted to dance with Fate!

[Aristophanes]

The jump on Flores was good.
The appeal to WL to shut up was as well.
I have my reasons.

[Aristophanes]

Why you and Staeg?

I am on the fence on them.

Because Staeg knows how to follow while also thinking for himself.


Bolded and enlarged so its not lost to people who skim

What is so important about my Staeg comment that it deserves enlarging?

[Aristophanes]

Like, Staeg has the same number of posts as Camntsuki, with more sheeping and less content, yet you townread one (and did so before they had even posted) and scumread the other?

Stop it with the ninjas

[Aristophanes]

Fate, that seems a little much.
Why must everything be cleared through you?
Are you some sort of conftown I don't know about?
Because right now, I don't see any reason to trust you.

Are you seeing this, Camntsuki?
Join us and refute this shit.

See, I can bold things too.

Uggh, 2 more ninjas.

[Aristophanes]

Staeg also wasn't sheeping he posted the real reasons I was voting camntsuki

that shows he is in the same town mindset as me becacuse he voiced what I said without me having to say it

But a scumfuck like you wouldn't understand the brotherly love between townies would you?

All he said was that he saw what you saw. Not what he saw. Unless I missed something there.

And believe me, I know brotherly love.
Philadelphia means "The City of Brotherly Love." Did you know that?
Just a fun factoid.

[Aristophanes]

If you have seen scum scramble to kill you, then let us know who they are.
Else you are playing against your wincon!

[Aristophanes]

Us is you and I. Us is the thread.
Who's thinking linearly now!

[Aristophanes]

STAEG YOU GET AN AUTO TOWN PASS

FOR LYNCHING KATSUKI

I WILL NOT LET THIS GO TO N1 WITHOUT SCUMKATSUKI FLIP

THEN I CAN BE NKD IN PEACE

Actually I got this exact same feeling from the two posts preceding yours; the jump on Flore is terrible and everyone related to it at this point should be ashamed (although the early part was nois)

vote: camntsuki

Nahdia's amazing, heuristically is questionable af (135??)°

VOTE: alban
post more.

Why him, in particular? Why anyone, actually? Is that ~really~ what you want to be doing right now?

Fate, what in this post is them showing the same mindset as you, without you having said anything?
I'd love to know.

[Aristophanes]

I've always been annoyed by the notion of fate, and now Fate has just proved it.

Is this a scumread or a quip?

[Aristophanes]

Not a scumread

Cool.

Also, Fate is such a tease!
Got me on the dance floor and disappeared mid-waltz!
So sad.

[Aristophanes]

Do you have any scumreads, HA?
I only see 2 town leans expressed thus far from you.

[Aristophanes]

How there posts were awful, the same feeling

They were far from awful. That is such an exaggerated statement.

Not a scumread

Cool.

Also, Fate is such a tease!
Got me on the dance floor and disappeared mid-waltz!
So sad.

Please, you complain of ninja posts you know nothing of the dance

Perhaps.
I merely was not quoting, and thus was trying to keep things sorted for future reading purposes.

Any other thoughts on the game?

[Aristophanes]

In fact, both the posts share their ideas with previous posters' thoughts. Why is Camntsuki scum for it, whereas the others are not?

[Aristophanes]

I haven't called you scum, Fate. I am, however, disagreeing.

And throwing meta at me isn't good enough. You may have more experience there, but it does not mean you are reading them correctly.

[Aristophanes]

Staeg, are you saying Stupid is more likely town indicative then?

[Aristophanes]

It could still be a slip. And they could still be scum.
How have they shown themselves as "probably not scum" to you?

[Aristophanes]

No, but votes based on it are bad, especially from someone like camntsuki, who sure as hell can do better

I'll accept this. It was pretty much the only major thing at the time though. Should Camntsuki have simply ignored it?

[Aristophanes]

They could be hiding. Or they could just be busy/asleep.

If they had reason to scumread Flores, which they did, it is not a scum, but a town agenda.

You're looking at this from a very confbiased viewpoint.

[Aristophanes]

Why is "loved" an immediate reason not to vote Flores?

I see that you are risking your credibility on this. But I am not asking for that. I wanted to sort this read reason out, for which you gave me what is essentially Meta and Interpersonal Relations. That is what's not enough.

I believe he is town.

I can see we are not going to come to terms on this anytime soon.

Ninja'd by a GODDAMNED GOOD POINT!!!
Thanks Cerb!

[Aristophanes]

Do you have any scumreads, HA?
I only see 2 town leans expressed thus far from you.

Have a scumread on flores, because I agree it could be a scumslip.

Good start.
Anything gleaned from the past couple pages with regards to anyone involved?
None of myself, Camntsuki, Staeg, or Fate are mentioned in your reads yet.

[Aristophanes]

There's no way anyone can have a townread on Katsuki

I'll give you fucks Null

BUT TOWN?

No way Aristo

And yet, here we are.
I'm surprised you didn't large print that part of my post so it wouldn't be missed later

I don't see how you two can have scumreads there.

[Aristophanes]

HEY WEVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PAST TWO APGES CERBERUS CARE TO SHARE

The last two pages were noise and nonsense, mainly.

pedit: Also, you're welcome aristo. How have you been? I can't remember the last time we played a game together, i think we have like just one together in the past? Meh. Probably doesn't matter, I don't consciously try to think about meta, so whatever.

I believe it was Inorganic Chemistry. Fun times!
Also, I've been well, you?

I like your Camntsuki townread.
Do you have any other developing reads to share at this time?

[Aristophanes]

The effort is appreciated!

[Aristophanes]

im prepared to fight you, you poorly drawn hoodie wearing rapscallion if u keep voting camm it will be a SCUMCLAIM

p-edit Fate hello yes how are u carry on pal.

Wait, so, you're okay with Fate on Camntsuki but not Dwlee?

im prepared to fight you, you poorly drawn hoodie wearing rapscallion if u keep voting camm it will be a SCUMCLAIM

p-edit Fate hello yes how are u carry on pal.

FIGHT ME.IRL.M8

So productive...

[Aristophanes]

If we lynch the mafia we dont need to.worry about the assassin

I agree with this.
I also don't see how scum giving away Maiza, if they know who he is, will help them live any longer.
Seems like a good way to get lynched to me.

[Aristophanes]

I suppose.
It would leave us with only 1 scum left though anyway, so i wouldn't even be that mad about the tradeoff.
Maiza, like Sziliard, should be treated as superfluous third parties.
If Sziliard misses his shot, we have a conftown. If he hits it, oh well.

I really don't see the what the big fuss is.

[Aristophanes]

Actually...

@Mod
If Sziliard misshoots and Maiza lives, does he retain his kill immunity?

[Aristophanes]

Read the setup, this looks kind of amusing.

Looks like in a perfect world the assassin guy should claim, act pro town, and help bag one Mafia in exchange for getting to eat the King dude, yeah?
That would make only Mafia the losers - and allow two of three factions their win.
Has the assassin claimed yet?
Also, why are we lynching camntsuki? I wanna be able to leap on that wagon super quick to look pro town by sheeping someone's case.

This...isn't the worst of plans actually!

[Aristophanes]

Also, welcome Thor!

[Aristophanes]

Also would it be anti town to help the assassin eat Maiza or would it just be a pro strat so that 2/3 groups can win?

Thor already addressed this.
If Silizard claims, we won't lynch him. He is instead a strong protown voice. If we lynch scum the, he can have Maiza free of charge and win with us

[Aristophanes]

Also, we are

Not Lynching Camntsuki Today!!!

Thanks.

[Aristophanes]

Also, we are

Not Lynching Camntsuki Today!!!

Thanks.

You can't just say that about the leading wagon without saying why or offering a better wagon!


~Bee

I can so!
Flores knowing Maiza now in concerning, as it is giving him a free ride from many of you that he didn't earn.

Is there anyone thus far whose lynch you would oppose?

There are several. I would not support at lynch on Fates, Dwlee, or steag. At this current moment also not one on Cerb.

As far as Flores goes. My partner and I are split on this opinion. I personally think the way he blamed everyone for the misread, talks about possibilities about his slot, and his stance on the loved modifier and how it is impossible for scum to have it. There are several posts that ping me too...

~Suz

@Bee, alternate lynch is still Flores.

Why would we not just lynch the assassin once he outs? Keep our immune IC alive?

Because it makes 2 BP ICs, one of which we will sacrifice at some point. We are promising not to lynch him right now.
Do you agree?

[Aristophanes]

I don't remember where my vote is, so VOTE: Flores
This is still best.

[Aristophanes]

Nahdia, are you Silizard?

[Aristophanes]

iirc, the assassin is unable to be night killed. Also, we would not lynch the assassin as they would be scumhunting in order to kill the mafia and they want to stay alive so they can find the king.

Correct.

[Aristophanes]

Uhg. sSorry I'm being a total bitch.

It's okay Nahdia! We still love you!





Even if you are Sziliard.

[Aristophanes]

the mod told me it is possible a few people were disincluded from knowing who maize is.

As the PM is worded that way, it seems he told everyone...

[Aristophanes]

well i've been told a certain set number of people could not have the information (assigned randomly) and both mafia could somehow not get the info.

I'm intrigued.

[Aristophanes]

Official Vote Count

camntsuki

(4): Fate, Staeg, Dwlee99, camntsuki

Florestan

(2): Cerberus v666, Aristophanes

Cerberus v666

(1): Florestan

WhiteLight

(1): Nahdia

alban

(1): Nosferatu

Not Voting

(4): heuristically_alone, alban, AlpacaAlpaca, WhiteLight

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Well that was fun!

Unvote, Vote: Florestan

KATSUKI SEES THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET LYNCHED LIKE THE SCUM THEY ARE.

SWITCHES BACK ONTO EASY MISLYNCH COUNTERWAGON

KILL

THIS

SCUM

PLEASE

If by "easy mislynch counterwagon" you mean "popular wagon on possible scum,"

And your insinuation that they are scum for removing their selfvote once their wagon is large is actually noted as NAI,

Then I agree with this post.

[Aristophanes]

um duh.
at first he was like "I didn't scumslip...I totes know who the king is guys!"
then he was all "OK you guys were right I didn't know who it was....but it was mod error"
and the mod was like "yep, my bad. he isn't slizzard after all".

and, as previously noted... the push on Flores was for a legit, bonafude scumslip...maybe just an assasin-slip....and warranted votes from everyone.
in context... it warranted votes from LITERALLY everyone, even the real slizzard and scum! the only reason not to jump on it is if you actually ARE scum and know that Flores is your partner.
you cant even know he is town... cuz from a scum perspective he is slizzard.

huh.

someone refute this logic? nahdia?
I'm day drinking in Mexico rn, so my head is only so clear...but I think I'm right.

Yhis post?
I mean, the logic was sound.
I don't exactly know what you mean to get out of it though.

Also, hope you're having fun in Mexico!

[Aristophanes]

Camn wagon is dumb and baseless though.
Saying "Kats was online and avoided this" means nothing to me and doesn't say anything about their alignment.
Betting your credibility on it doesn't make it a viable case.

Your wagon has nothing to refute. How do you expect them to do so?

[Aristophanes]

How are they supposed to defend against Gut and Feelings though?

And if this is your reason, is it the same for everyone else on the wagon?

^ @ Camntsuki voters

Like, maybe you should ask yourself why I am pushing against this so vehemently, and vote elsewhere.

[Aristophanes]

Word.

Is fate town Aristo?

Fate may yet be town. They're lower on my town pile, but for scum to come so strongly out of the gates like this would be setting themselves up to be lynched later, both as a mislynch leader, and because our Site Meta punishes activity to some extent.

This almost breakdown and sudden indecision on voting is really quite interesting and will tell us a lot in time.

[Aristophanes]

I'm trying. All of this game so far has been mechanics stuff which is generally NAI imo.

That's all?
You haven't seen anyone interacting about anything other than mechanics?

Seriously.

[Aristophanes]

I am nota threat to town

PURGE THIS WITH FIRE

ANYONE NOT VOTING THIS IN THEIR NEXT POST MIGHT AS WELL CLAIM SCUM

Untrue.

We said we would keep Sziliard alive under certain circumstances.

Fate, you are Sziliard, yes?
Are you willing to scumhunt with is or need we lynch you?

[Aristophanes]

Haven't read the past few posts, but Nahdia is, indeed, likely scum.
I've thought this for the majority of the game thus far.

[Aristophanes]

I'll consider reconsidering.

In the meantime, I'll cave on this one.
VOTE: Fate

I want a BP IC and I am not sure we can trust him.
Too much risk involved.

Though it'll make the game a lot more boring

Ninja'd
What's thus VC at anyway?

[Aristophanes]

Cool!

[Aristophanes]

Lol Cerberus and Thor are both mythical beings and their numbers are 1 apart.
I just noticed this and it amuses me.
It's as if they were ordered out of the Mythological section of a Sears catalogue!

[Aristophanes]

SHHHHHHHH YOU WERNT SUPPOSE TO POST AN ACTUAL VC SOMEONE WAS SUPPOSE TO PUT FATE AT L1 AND HAMMER INSTEAD LMAO

Clever Girl!

[Aristophanes]

Wait, you guys believed Camntsuki's obviously fake claim?
The obviously fake one?

*sigh*

[Aristophanes]

We're in a bad place already. I'm reading up on the multitude of words uttered already.

[Aristophanes]

Fate (7): Dwlee99, camntsuki, WhiteLight, Nahdia,

Aristophanes

, Thor665, Florestan

@Aristo - remind me again why you were voting Fate?

Because he also feigned being 3P, and I thought he had essentially claimed it at one point.
Like, through the night phase, I was kicking myself for being on that wagon, not because I didn't think it was a good one, but because Nahdia was a better one. She flipped town too though, so...

He was acting scummy , essentially claimed 3P, and refused to work with us. I don't know why he did it.

Ninja's

I refuse to eat.

I won't allow my Ghoul nature to take over

But I will find a way to live in harmony with it

Fuck

I knew he had claimed it flat out at some point!

[Aristophanes]

Because he also feigned being 3P, and I thought he had essentially claimed it at one point.
Like, through the night phase, I was kicking myself for being on that wagon, not because I didn't think it was a good one, but because Nahdia was a better one. She flipped town too though, so...

He was acting scummy , essentially claimed 3P, and refused to work with us. I don't know why he did it.

So it's laughably bad that people believed Camn's claim of an investigative role, but it makes sense to think Fate claimed 3rd party in response to it?
How does that make sense?

It made sense to me at the time, and I thought it was a legit claim.

[Aristophanes]

We were pretty convinced that Fate would flip 3rd Party.
joke-claims are Katz/Fate site meta FYI.
if you wanna push a Lynch on us because Fate flailed, go ahead and try. If you wanna talk about it forever though .. gods maybe let the Vig handle us instead.

PS, was that a Vig shot? or did the "best friends" die together lover-style?

I'd have to assume a Vig shot, based on the PMs.

[Aristophanes]

^ Lol

[Aristophanes]

I don't remember...
Who is the PL that the vig should target?
The days away have wiped my memory of this game, save for Camn being town, Fate being a lynch, and Nahdia dying at night despite feigning being Sziliard..

[Aristophanes]

Now, could I swing to AlpacaAlpaca for the "Aw, Shucks" tell?
Absolutely. But not yet.

Arguably a better Vig kill really.

[Aristophanes]

I kinda am okay with Cerb, but I feel compelled to vote him.
Vig, if you still have shots, Alpaca might be an alright shot.
I keep forgetting Nos is in the game, and HA is just barely on my radar atm.
Gonna reread Dwlee because I only remember him discussing mechanics, which is odd for him. Also, is he top poster? Otherwise I'm worried.
Thor is dubious but alright for now.
Camntsuki should be town, as I've said from square 1.
Did I forget anyone?
If so, you should feel bad.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Cerb

[Aristophanes]

Also, dwlee is far from the top poster. Why is that relevant?

He hardcover overposts, or has in every town game I've seen him in.
Like, usually doubles the second highest poster.

As for my vote on you, I'll read you later
Just compelled to atm.

[Aristophanes]

Wait alright alright alright
Nosferatu's iso is actually devoid of any non-semantics content after an early florestan vote
literally empty

[/b]unvote
vote: Nosferatu[/b]

You biffed on your vote, Staeg.

[Aristophanes]

I'm no longer towny Thor-kun? </3

Oh well.
That break shook my focus in my games. Working on remedying that.

[Aristophanes]

^ can we have a countdown timer or whatever plz?

okies.

[Aristophanes]

We have a town bloc?
I think I missed something here..

[Aristophanes]

Also, thanks for the countdown!

[Aristophanes]

Aristo- do we? I wish we did.

I mean, it'd be nice. I took that from this:

Only person I'm not sure about in your townbloc is Nosferatu.

[Aristophanes]

Well, he is the one I am a little uncertain about, too.
But I think WAY less scumm than Alpaca or Dwlee, right?

Agreed.
Dwlee having a low postcounr makes me think scum, so I'm in.
VOTE: Dwlee

Def can see Alpaca or Cerb Vig shots tn. Likely the former unless an SK.

[Aristophanes]

This seems like a pointless conversation to me. Or am I missing something here?

[Aristophanes]

This seems like a pointless conversation to me. Or am I missing something here?

I think it's pointless. I think others are trying to decide if deliberately obfuscating ones emotional state, to the point of faking rage deliberately, is scummy or not.

Ah.
I have little to contribute then.

It can be if you use it to emulate your usually emotionally charged town play as scum. But that's hard to discern.

It is not indicative if you tend to be lower on emotion in game and it, as you have stated, and use it to enhance your points.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes May 07, 04:41pm May 19, 11:34pm 2 days 10 hours 86
The Daily Days May 05, 02:24pm May 19, 02:26pm 2 days 20 hours 23
Nosferatu May 07, 07:04pm May 19, 01:12pm 2 days 21 hours 34

Forgot to post my V/la. It is sigged though.
What was the point of this post? I'm gonna reread your analysis posts, but I both think it's too early for it, and thus that it is busiwork, and that you are stating without analysing (IIOA I believe it's called.) That said, it's from a quick skim and thus possibly incorrect.

Also, that Dwlee isn't being defended by, like, anyone, makes me nervous.

[Aristophanes]

The "faked guilty" was Camntsuki's fake role claim that I thought was obviously fake but nobody else seemed to I believe.

[Aristophanes]

Cerb is quite yucky these past couple pages.

I should really read more thoroughly though. That'll happen, like, tomorrow probably. I might get ambitious though..

[Aristophanes]

Pretty much all of the second paragraph there tbh.
Thanks for verbalizing it for me!

[Aristophanes]

It's a carbon copy of the last VC. I'm sure DD just forgot to edit it.

[Aristophanes]

Official Vote Count

Dwlee99

(4): camntsuki, Aristophanes, Staeg, Florestan

Cerberus v666

(1): Thor665

heuristically_alone

(1): Dwlee99

camntsuki

(1): Cerberus v666

Not Voting

(3): Nosferatu, heuristically_alone, AlpacaAlpaca

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2016-05-29 10:01:09)

uhhh this votecount is RIDICULOUSLY incorrect. lol

It's a carbon copy of the last VC. I'm sure DD just forgot to edit it.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, HA I'd a better lynch.

I'm on board.

[Aristophanes]

Why are people not dead yet?

VOTE: HA

[Aristophanes]

What the heck. Guess I'll just go for it.

EAT:ARISTOPHANES

Dafuq?

Now we have a confirmed BP town for the rest of the game

DAFUQ!?!?

I can probably agree with Camntsuki's list for now.
If anything needs changing, well revisit it then.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: AlpacaAlpacaAlpaca

[Aristophanes]

Now we have a confirmed BP town for the rest of the game

DAFUQ!?!?

Ari as I have already explained when cerb and cam asked me about that it's because I actually wanted to work together with the assassin to get a double pronged victory. I wanted us to have the assassins help in scum hunting and his vote for when we find scum, and once we had voted off scum we would let him have maiza which loses us 1 scum 1 town and 1 assassin which to me looks like it's in the best interest of town. I was sad because even though nobody else wanted to work together with the assassin, now there is guaranteed no way for us to achieve a double victory. Which in itself isn't bad for town but I wanted to get rid of an assassin and a scum in one swoop by sacrificing a town.

Hold up for just a sec though.
I was happy to work with Sziliard, and I believe I mentioned it explicitly. I think a dual victory would have been great.

However, HA was not playing a protown game. They deserved to be lynched as they were playing a scummy game and we're, in fact, scum. He was in a corner and took a shot. He was wrong. So be it! Had he claimed Sziliard D1, we could have worked with him. But he did not. Had he made a protown effort he'd have lived, but he did not. His missed shot leaves us with an unkillable conftown. Why in God's mane would you be upset about that!?!? This is where I find issue with your stance here.

[Aristophanes]

If the vigi was mafia aligned would you still think that Maize would be known to scum?

No because than they have 3 scum and that balances out having them possibly messing up a shot on Maiza as well as having them possibly slip up and get lynched but the extra member would make it much more balanced

Alpaca confirms Vig is not scum as it would be a third scum member in a game with 2 scum plus Sziliard.
This is, I am fairly certain, a scumslip, as well as confirmation that the Vig is town.

[Aristophanes]

His wincon was "Win Condition: You win when you Eat Maiza Avaro. If the game ends before you do so, you lose." he has 0 incentive to scumhunt. They only thing that matters to him is Maiza which is exactly how he played. He didn't really do much except for parotting in an attempt to seem town but all of that could have ben avoided if we had enlisted him.

Recap: I am in full agreement he was absolutely useless but I beelive that is only because he was playing his wincon and if we had maniupulated that to get him to scumhunt he would have been useful.

He didn't out himself, so he dug his own grave. He decided not to work with us. What is so hard about this concept?

[Aristophanes]

If the vigi was mafia aligned would you still think that Maize would be known to scum?

No because than they have 3 scum and that balances out having them possibly messing up a shot on Maiza as well as having them possibly slip up and get lynched but the extra member would make it much more balanced

When did I talk about having an extra member? Obviously we know there are 2 mafia alive and neither of them are confirmed not the vigi so why is it impossible?

Exactly.
Scumslip.
Vig now conftown.

Vote AlpacaAlpacaAlpacaAlpaca

[Aristophanes]

everytime I see people push scum slips they're scum or nosferatu lol

As in the one pushing it or the one being pushed?
Because I'm not scum, if that's what you are insinuating.
Alpaca is though.

[Aristophanes]

the one pushing it

Therefore I am a scumread?

[Aristophanes]

Camntsuki, can we go back to the Dwlee lynch and let the Vig take care of Alpaca?

[Aristophanes]

yes, you are a scum read. I've been scum reading you. You have towards the most posts in the game and yet seem to be doing nothign.

I have done far more than the proposed "nothing" you seem to believe I have done. Ridiculous.

[Aristophanes]

Also, for the record, I believe Camn, Thor, and myself to be essentially confirmed town. I am alright with any other lynches, but prefer Dwlee or Alpaca atm.
The three I listed above should be the final three. Should scum lie within them, I can guarantee a town win.

[Aristophanes]

So, my face offs with Fate were nothing?
My stating of scumreads and subsequent pushes in them were nothing?
My sorting if slots like Camntsuki were nothing
I may not be good at this game, but to say I have done nothing is actually fucking stupid.

[Aristophanes]

what have you done today?

I mean, I got shot at, which means HA thought I was conftown. That's gotta count for something!

But seriously, I may not have been as instrumental in discussion as I was in D1, but I have still been here, sorted some people, engaged others, and found myself in some top townread spots. If you think I have done nothing, so be it. But you are wrong.

[Aristophanes]

what have you done today?

I got shot at

huh?

And I'm gonna read your iso.

HA tried to eat me.
Which means he thought I was Maiza.
Who is conftown.

[Aristophanes]

If the vigi was mafia aligned would you still think that Maize would be known to scum?

No because than they have 3 scum and that balances out having them possibly messing up a shot on Maiza as well as having them possibly slip up and get lynched but the extra member would make it much more balanced

Alpaca confirms Vig is not scum as it would be a third scum member in a game with 2 scum plus Sziliard.
This is, I am fairly certain, a scumslip, as well as confirmation that the Vig is town.

Vig is a town only role is it not? Flores asked me "If the vigi was mafia aligned would you still think that Maize would be known to scum?" and I took this to mean if we were mistaken about the vig and the scum have another killer ability would it be balanced enough to theoretically not have the scum know who maiza is and I said yes because that sounds much more balanced

Vig can be town or scum, as can a strongman or other variations thereupon. Having 2 BP and only 2 scum, it would not have surprised me if an extra shot was given to the scum.
However, your answer there and here do not quite juve. We know there are 2 scum, yet you made the situation of a scum vig mean a third scum was in the mix.
This tells me you already know there is no scum vig.
To know this, you would have to be the vig, or be scum.

[Aristophanes]

Indeed, thus us keep g quiet while others play interference.

[Aristophanes]

what have you done today?

I got shot at

huh?

And I'm gonna read your iso.

HA tried to eat me.
Which means he thought I was Maiza.
Who is conftown.

I don't think you should be trying to stand on the shoulders of H_A's reads in this game while talking in a serious voice.

This is true, and nowhere near a solid argument for my townness, I admit.
However, I was, by then and by others, perceived as town. I think that counts for something when I supposedly "haven't done anything."

Thor, I would ask you if this looks like my scumgame, but my 3p play is not a good point of reference, and it's all we have completed at this time.

I swear to you, get me to lylo and we have a 100% winrate. (We being town.) I strongly believe that if we follow Camntsuki's list, we will win prior to that though, and Lylo will not be necessary.

[Aristophanes]

Isn't toe curling a good thing?

[Aristophanes]

(I've been reading, gotta get back into it)

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Flores then.

Let the Vig take care of Alpaca.

[Aristophanes]

Also, Happy Birthday Thor!!!!!

[Aristophanes]

@Camn - I'd actually be happier with Alpaca and Nos at this stage than you.

In Lylo?
For real!?

[Aristophanes]

@Camn - I'd actually be happier with Alpaca and Nos at this stage than you.

Ha ha! That's cuz you are a puppet in our web!

@Nos- start now please.

@Aristo- who is scummier, Alpaca or Nosferatu?

Alpaca from my feels, though Nos isn't giving me the same vibes I've gotten before. I'm gonna reread the two, and compare Nos' Isos with that of the town and scum games I've had with him (Circus and Red Neighborhood respectively).

Gut says Alpaca is worst and thus best to see dead in the morning.

[Aristophanes]

@Mod,
Do modifiers like "loved" and "hated" still apply in a Lylo/Mylo situaion?

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, true

[Aristophanes]

Can we just hammer and move on with our lives please?

[Aristophanes]

Can we just hammer and move on with our lives please?

[Aristophanes]

Cerb, you mean Scum could "accidentally slip" who Maiza is like this if they knew?

Why would you hammer him. It's better for him to guess wrong than it is for him to get hammered. Jeeze.

I think that he should have been able to figure out that it was thor.

FUCK!

[Aristophanes]

Cerb, you mean Scum could "accidentally slip" who Maiza is like this if they knew?

Why would you hammer him. It's better for him to guess wrong than it is for him to get hammered. Jeeze.

I think that he should have been able to figure out that it was thor.

FUCK!

I thought fate was sliziard,

you thought Fate was silizard

wtf.

Yeah, but I still wouldn't have said anything because I play to the whistle!
Until the Mod had posted that Sziliard was lynched, I had no intention of outing him or hinting at his identity.
You let the cat out of the bag though, and luckily it was missed. Could be exactly what Cerb described.

Cerb, you mean Scum could "accidentally slip" who Maiza is like this if they knew?

Why would you hammer him. It's better for him to guess wrong than it is for him to get hammered. Jeeze.

I think that he should have been able to figure out that it was thor.

FUCK!

Yes, I'm aware. I still maintain that it's unlikely scum would have the knowledge needed to slip with.

Okay then, I propose you look at all the early Thor votes to discern who knew and who didn't. We should, then, be able to find scum, no?

[Aristophanes]

Umm, no. Because I was considering voting him(since you guys have made it fucking obvious who he is without even any chance of obfuscating it and without getting ANYONE on record regarding their knowledge of the slot) purely to make it less obvious who he was, so I'm willing to consider others may have felt the same. I feel that a display of knowledge is more likely to indicate town I this situation, than ignorance is to reveal scum.

I could be fucking wrong though. We have like days. Why aren't we talking about anything?

That's what I meant when I said to look and discern who appeared to know. I also considered voting him to obfuscate it, but did not. However, sounding faked or whatnot and sounding legit may have differences if investigated. I may look at it myself, despite thinking it possible Scum knew his Identity from the beginning.

Why aren't we talking about something?
Well, what would you like to discuss?

Ninja-wall!

[Aristophanes]

Oh there's a hated in this game? Vig should totally be shooting the hated.

Vig should probably still shoot Alpaca on further thought. Nos can still be helpful possibly.

[Aristophanes]

Flores, did you want me to respond to anything in that wall?
I don't really see any questions, just analysis (which is fine, just wondering).

[Aristophanes]

Oh there's a hated in this game? Vig should totally be shooting the hated.

Vig should probably still shoot Alpaca on further thought. Nos can still be helpful possibly.

What about Cerberus? Never suffer a lurker to live, that's my motto.

But he's less likely to be scum imo. Just demotivated.

Iunno.

[Aristophanes]

I know that I am pretty high on the vig shoot list but I also think that killing him now is a little early because we have 9 people left 2 of which are scum and lets say theoretically that we mess up the same amount we did last time so we get 3 more townies killed, than we are at 6 town 2 scum so we need 3 votes to lynch and Nos only needs 2 so the scum can lynch him right away and go to night phase again. So unless the absolute worst case scenario happens vig shooting him would be a waste. If the vig shoots someone else and they are scum and/or Flores is scum than we are good to go and I think that there are pretty high chances of this given the current situation. However, if we mess up and 3 town get killed than the scum have a super huge advantage so another thing to consider. But I also think shooting someone because they rolled hated early on isnt beneficial but in this case its all about whether or not we hit scum.

So, you think Nos should be shot, but don't, but do?

[Aristophanes]

I don't want him to be shot because I think the chances are high that we will hit scum tonight, but I'm throwing it out there that if we don't and don't vig shoot him were in trouble. But overall I think it's worth the chance of not shooting him.

So if we lynch scum in Flores, you think he can live, and if we lynch town in Flores, he should be vigged?

[Aristophanes]

I think the chances are high that we will hit scum tonight

Can you also explain/rephrase this?

[Aristophanes]

OMG, Alpaca is scum for the 2nd paragraph of that quote.
If were not lynching that it has to be vigged.

Ninja'd

[Aristophanes]

First off, you say you would dayvig Camntsuki for bullshit reasons.
1. In your stuff about me, you quoted and addressed my comment that Camntsuki was obviously joke-claiming Isaac. Yet here you propose his death to "compare with the claim." This is bad because it has no scumhunting value and no merit that I can see.
2. You say you would lynch him "to see what he will flip." This is also devoid of any actual reason or scumhunting.
Secondly, you propose shooting Flores so you can "reevaluate his reads and accusations," which is similar to your single almost-reasonable point on your proposed Camntsuki dayvig . Almost verbatim in fact. And it's not even a good argument for the theoretical dayvig as you could easily reevaluate their pushes right now! There is no scumhunting at all in the post, and that shoes you're not thinking about hitting scum, but hitting easy targets we can all agree on.

[Aristophanes]

Also, UNVOTE:
Flores needs time and I see this now.
There are better kills, so we should maybe keep them around for a bit more. At least we can let him finish and decide then. I was getting too antsy earlier.

[Aristophanes]

No, Fate claiming to be a motherfucking third party is what got him lynched!
Nice try though.

I'll concede that in this way of pushing it, your Flores reasoning makes a bit more sense. But you repeated it almost copy/paste from the line about Camntsuki. That bugs me in itself.

Ninja'd
I disagree with the above post by Dwlee.

[Aristophanes]

But Fate never claimed, the only thing he said was why would you lynch 3p over scum. It was a question not a claim. Though he didn't dispute it which made it seem like a claim however, Camn's claim of Issac and saying that Fate was confirmed 3p started it all and at least the fact that he investigated Fate is for sure a lie since he was town

It was meant to be a lie. It was a joke! Holy Guacamole!

And he did claim it. Shall I quite it again?

[Aristophanes]

I refuse to eat.

I won't allow my Ghoul nature to take over

But I will find a way to live in harmony with it

[Aristophanes]

I refuse to eat.

I won't allow my Ghoul nature to take over

But I will find a way to live in harmony with it

Speaking of jokes...

It sure didn't seem like it at the time.
*Sigh*

[Aristophanes]

Are you always this dismissive, Dwlee?

[Aristophanes]

Are you always this dismissive, Dwlee?

am i supposed to actually answer this

Not really, lol

[Aristophanes]

So is there anything particularly to let you live for?
I'm of a mind to lynch you in the next few hours just for the flip info.

This may be hard since Dwlee and I are not voting him anymore.
But if you like, I'll L-2 him again.

Dwlee might still be a good choice.

It's sad that so many people need to die this game!

[Aristophanes]

But if you like, I'll L-2 him again.

I would like, do you like?

I do like!
VOTE: Flores

[Aristophanes]

Once we lynch someone, should the Vig go for the alt wagon or for Alpaca?

I'd rather they shoot the latter, but getting both of these to flip I'd a good option for VCA.

[Aristophanes]

And seeing the counterwagony feel I think the former may be better...

Ninja'd yeah, true

[Aristophanes]

I would oppose the Alpaca shot straight up.
That is a silly shot on a number of metrics - and no one has particularly offered a good reason to lynch or shoot him, yet you keep acting like he's a valid option for death for some reason. Whassup?

I just think it would be good.
Dual flip is better though, you're right.

[Aristophanes]

So, if we lynch Staeg, Flores should live another night?
This seems reckless.

[Aristophanes]

The two should just both die.
Staeg, you should indeed claim probably.

[Aristophanes]

Scumteam = Staeg/Cerberus!

Fine.

Role cop claim sucks.
Why haven't you used it?

Let's kill it.

[Aristophanes]

Camn, when they fakeclaimed?
Dwlee or Nos, as they are hard to read.
Whomever.
Why have you held it back?

[Aristophanes]

Cerb, what are your thoughts on the claim by Staeg?

[Aristophanes]

Lol this game!

[Aristophanes]

@Cerb

Cerb, what are your thoughts on the claim by Staeg?

Intent on Staeg once I get an answer.

[Aristophanes]

Rolecop is NAI, not using it night 1 is bad, and casts doubt on the claim. His defense of his lack of action is bad. I need to reconnect with this game and look at the reSt of his play.

So Rolecop is NAI?
Even though you assume Scum don't know who Maiza is?
Being so adamant about this point, I figured you'd assume a scum rolecop to be likely. Why did this not even figure into your thought process?

[Aristophanes]

I suppose.

Do you want time to catch up? Because my intent still stands.

[Aristophanes]

Okay

[Aristophanes]

Ha!

[Aristophanes]

PURGE ORDER

:
(I'm willing to flip the top two, but only under protest)

Staeg
Cerberus v666
Florestan
Nosferatu
AlpacaAlpaca
Dwlee99
Aristophanes
camntsuki
Thor665

/in

[Aristophanes]

Don't worry Camntsuki, I know!
<3

[Aristophanes]

Actually, is there any way anyone cares enough about what I have to say for it to change anything that happens with this day phase? If not, there's no reason to waste everyone's time waiting for me to actually post analysis and stuff.

So, don't wait on my account. That's all.

I mean, probably not, but I'm willing to let others chime in here.
I got my answer and am happy to end the day.

[Aristophanes]

ari why do you love so aggressively.

DWLEE! I AM LOVING YOU NOW! YOU ARE BEING AGGRESSIVELY LOVED!
HERE ARE MY HEARTS!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

ACCEPT THEM PLEASE!!!!

[Aristophanes]

I wouldn't call it a plea really. More a marked depletion in his apathy, followed closely by its return.

[Aristophanes]

Oh come on Camntsuki.
Can't we just finish the wagon we have?

[Aristophanes]

If I support this, what will happen to your supposed Purge Order Camntsuki?

Also, all 3 wagons are now at L-3 and only 2 people don't have votes placed. Just a fun fact.

[Aristophanes]

Also, Flores has to die today or tonight, else, if scum, they cannot be lynched tomorrow if we miss scum today and the vig hits town tn.

[Aristophanes]

I am voting Flores.

[Aristophanes]

I am voting Flores.

Then don't start saying stuff like 'If I support this'.
Take charge of your vote and wagon support, you're basically just kind of soft sheeping Camn around, and she's changing views every 36 hours.

Okay.

Everyone, let's lynch Flores.
He is scummy and we are at a disadvantage if he lives numerically.

[Aristophanes]

Please for the love of all things holy cam somebody hammer!
Staeg should be the Vig shot because of the scummy claim.
End of day, end of story.

This is getting tediously drawn out.

[Aristophanes]

Good Luck!

[Aristophanes]

Nahdia, Staeg, sorry for shooting you.
I got far too caught up in making my link to Camntsuki obvious and sorting what to do at night that I think my daytime play suffered a bit.
I was really surprised we weren't shot N1 after Fate called us Masons, and I still can't believe I was the target of the Om Nom Nom!

Dwlee, you were fantastic!
I did mean it though when I said there were too many people who needed to die.

[Aristophanes]

Fate lynch and Staeg shot were still atrocious

gg dwlee

Both primarily my doing I think :S

[Aristophanes]

DONT YOU COVER FOR THEM ARISTO

Hahaha!
They said in the Death PT that they didn't want either shot!
Your lynch they did want though. I'll give you that

[Aristophanes]

This whole death-tunnel your Lynch targets meta is wack.

Is that site meta now?

Yep, from a good lot of people.

[Aristophanes]

my second choice was actually Ari

<3