Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[Gorkington]

im pretty sure its only a double vote if hes the last vote on the wagon though and can hammer with a double vote?

[Gorkington]

can you talk about why.

[Gorkington]

i dont think it does?
technically?
6 players with 2 scum with an execution role isnt gg.

also dont think fire assassin is scum.

[Gorkington]

how is it insta hammer

[Gorkington]

1 vote + 2 votes isnt hammer.

[Gorkington]

how do scum have another vote.

[Gorkington]

zzzzz.
fire, if i asked you nicely, would you use your ability today?

[Gorkington]

i really think youre town man.
and given how fucked my reads are otherwise, i really would rather not let people lynch you for dumb reasons.

[Gorkington]

roshar/not-mafia scumteam?
serial killer i honestly have no idea.

[Gorkington]

over a claimed tracker/rolecop? :/

[Gorkington]

im literally flabbergasted at your assumptions that youre not going to be nightkilled RC.

[Gorkington]

well your claims that youre going to speedlynch me tomorrow or that a scumteam would kill townFAexecutioner over your role?
i just expect someone like you to say something like "listen you idiots lynch gork after scumfucks kill me pls", where im not seeing any of that here.

[Gorkington]

okay yeah i see what you were saying.
it looked like you were saying hed be a higher priority kill for groupscum than other claimed PRs which made no sense to me.

[Gorkington]

nope.
you can give reads.
but youre dead now.

[Gorkington]

leashing only works if he actually is SK.

if its 9-3-1 then the game would have probably have been over already short of the scumteam being roshar, RC and andro, which would leave town with an executioner, a roleblocker and a fruit vendor in the wake of this shit.

i dont believe that.

unless ari missed his scumteam's cue to quickhammer?

[Gorkington]

yup.

[Gorkington]

right now i kind of feel like its SK-aristophanes and not-mafia/roshar scumteam.

[Gorkington]

why does an SK claim bulletproof?

[Gorkington]

and you thought it would make you less lynchable?

[Gorkington]

why does SK care if they get shot at?
wouldnt that be better for them?

it just draws all sorts of unnecessary attention that an SK inherently doesnt want to have.
thinking about it more today, it just makes a lot more sense to me for groupscum to claim this to convince SK not to shoot them.

[Gorkington]

:/
im just seeing this voice of reason thing for the first time.

p-edit: what kind of SK doesnt get at least 1-shot BP?

pp-edit: if SK is shooting for scum, sure?

[Gorkington]

this setup is frustrating.

[Gorkington]

this setup would be absolute shit with 3 groupscum. especially since that would most likely mean one of andro/RC would be fakeclaiming too, which would be fucking terrible.
can you please use your hammer today fire?

[Gorkington]

I see the SK claim. Cheet, why are you doubting this so much? Coupled with the original BP claim, it seems pretty legit to me.

p-edit: why not?

[Gorkington]

are you talking about me.

[Gorkington]

okay i was gonna say q.q
i do think scumari would be prioritizing trying to ask questions that he feels look town/potentially trying to toss some shade at me to set up a lynch tomorrow over trying to fish for SK there.

im not really sure if thats the case, but my scumpool is so small right now that im really starting to worry about him.

[Gorkington]

why u no hammerexecute.

[Gorkington]

Why not just Hammer him?

really questioning your coming and going commentary dude.

why u no hammerexecute.

Why do I need to?
I need scum to have reason to night kill me.

q.q

[Gorkington]

im gonna be sad if fire turns out to be scum and played me.
:/

[Gorkington]

this gamestate somehow feels worse.

[Gorkington]

rc is rc-claim.
im vendor-claim.
youre tracker-claim.

[Gorkington]

who did you vend to

i think i want your results first.

[Gorkington]

did in fact vend fire assassin.
i literally have no idea what to make of that.

[Gorkington]

the only thing im really taking away from this is that radiant is probably town.
:/

[Gorkington]

Ircher likely blocked us n2. We were probably also redirected without knowing.

-Nahdia

wouldnt the roleblock targeting you, also have been redirected..?

[Gorkington]

his role is pretty much confirmed.
and theres no way andro or a bus-driver having a rolecop also on their team makes any fucking sense.

[Gorkington]

i guess the real question here is why does a scum-bus driver not fear either a rolecop or a tracker.

[Gorkington]

so you think scum have a rolecop and a busdriver in this setup?

[Gorkington]

Our result is that Gorkington visited Fire Assassin.

Which is odd, considering we targeted Roshar.

-Nahdia

[Gorkington]

what in the fuck is this setup

[Gorkington]

so andro and rc are both town then.
okay???
i guess?

[Gorkington]

lynch should be either me or roshar with the claims on the table.
i stand to benefit a lot less from being bus-driven with roshar short of me being scum with her, which i think also would make less sense than a bus-drive to a townie?
which also might not make any sense because im not sure if bus-drivers can target themselves??
maybe?
zzzz

[Gorkington]

why did scum not kill one of you.
q.q

[Gorkington]

thats so..
dumb.

[Gorkington]

but why would they do that instead of just shooting one of you.
whyyyyyy.
this makes no sense.

but these results literally only make sense if youre both town.

this scumteam fucked up hard.

:/

[Gorkington]

I think that is a good point.

its only a good point if theyre scum.
but theyre not.
im just bewildered.

[Gorkington]

it really doesnt make sense bee.
but it is what it is.

i would have fucking murdered rc so hard if i was scum with a bus driver.
:/

[Gorkington]

I think that Gork might be scum here?
I really don't like how he called FA scummy then they got NKed and I was suddenly a townread.

i would have fucking murdered rc so hard if i was scum with a bus driver.
:/

zzz.

no but really do you think im bad?
why would you be alive as the biggest threat to me in the whole game playerwise and rolewise if i had a busdriver scummate.

p-edit: what?

[Gorkington]

like, i know how wifom that sounds, but like, step into my shoes for just a second here and tell me you would leave tracker and rolecop alive.

[Gorkington]

why would i bus myself with someone when a rolecop who im leaving alive will get my name as the result if he targets them.
it equally makes no sense.

[Gorkington]

or wait im not really sure if im processing this properly.
:/

[Gorkington]

actually i see your point.
if i was scum and me/my partner thought that the names werent given with the results, then me targeting fire with the kill could have been an attempt to frame nahdia.

[Gorkington]

er roshar.

[Gorkington]

why

[Gorkington]

i wasnt even scumreading fire q.q
i was saying i would be bummed if he tricked me and him not using his ability had me very slightly worried despite him still being my strongest townread.

[Gorkington]

it's so obvious that it feels like it might be a frame.

youre probably one of the last people on this site i would want to try and frame if i were scum.

[Gorkington]

i dont do words well apparently, sorry.
q.q

im kind of in mental overdrive right now and itd probably be better if i took a step back.

[Gorkington]

im glad that the prevailing theory is that im bad.

[Gorkington]

im really trying to not be intolerable and im kind of failing.
sorry.

like.
i get it.

i was in the same place up until this day cycle.
of being like "if RC is scum tricking me, im going to be really fucking upset with myself if i let him get away with it" and if the setup wouldnt be fucking hilariously awful with your claim, i would probably be really wary of you right now.

but im not scum this game.
and i really really really really do not want to lose to a scumteam that left two really strong PRs alive for literally no apparent reason.
please give me a little bit of credit and at least promise that you wont settle on just that singular point to push for a lynch on me.
because if youre wrong [and you would be], it will literally fucking suck.

p-edit: im saying that i would be fucking bad at this game to leave you and andro alive on the hopes that my scummate's ability which at least they incorrectly interpreted would incriminate someone.

[Gorkington]

like, in that case theres literally no reason for me to not shoot you and have my scummate busdrive me and roshar.
why bother shooting fire who was townreading me and leave both of the biggest threats to a bus-driver alive?
would you do that in my shoes? just to be edgy and gambit?

[Gorkington]

like, im upset on an inner-focused level, but im not upset with you if that makes sense. i think its perfectly reasonable for you to suspect me given our interactions this game.
but i'll be really upset if me vending fire assassin who i really thought was going to live is what costs us the game.

[Gorkington]

but RC's results also confirms there being a bus driver.

[Gorkington]

I'm thinking off the cuff here, but isn't bus driver explicitly not allowed in normals?

this is a theme game you silly goose.
ahaha.

[Gorkington]

would a song vendor/roleblocker/executioner be a fitting match for a rolecop/tracker scumteam and a serial killer?

[Gorkington]

Yes, that passes

i dont agree q.q

[Gorkington]

if its rc/andro i will simultaneously hate yimmy and not be sad about losing because whatever the hell kind of gambit it would take to get here would be ridiculous.

im really not prepared to believe it and wouldnt short of Ether telling me so via game over.

also hbd ether.

[Gorkington]

im sorry that i targeted fire.
this would have been a lot easier if i hadnt.

[Gorkington]

what happens if we lynch roshar and they dont flip bus driver.

[Gorkington]

do you leave me the fuck alone?

[Gorkington]

q.q

[Gorkington]

(A) Mega Markov Mastermind Manipulation - Each Night, you may target as many players as you desire to redirect their actions as you like. You may condition your redirections as you like (e.g. if ____ targets ____, then ____, but otherwise _____). However, if you try to redirect the actions of any player who does not target anyone, this action will fail in its entirety. You may try to redirect different actions to separate players (i.e. if a player can use two actions in one Night), but the ability as a whole will fail if you try to specify two distinct targets for someone who does not use two abilities. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

[Gorkington]

basically the implication here is potentially that scum has a bus-driver that will only work on PRs who use abilities?
which would explain why the bus-drive wouldnt have been on a VT.

[Gorkington]

i couldnt find any other redirection role.
it might have been based on it?

[Gorkington]

or it can only affect two players?
iuno.
i really dont have any faith in my ability to parse this setup at this point.

[Gorkington]

is that problem any different than a regular bus-driver?
im not sure i understand.

[Gorkington]

like, from where i stand, if this is a limited 2-target version of the role, then its a nerfed bus-driver, isnt it?

[Gorkington]

rosh, i have no idea who would be scum if you werent at this point.
like.
i dont understand whats going on on a fundamental level here if you somehow have a town rolePM.

[Gorkington]

:/

[Gorkington]

vote: roshar

give me closure please.

[Gorkington]

vote me then.
im not even going to be indignant when you throw the game.
i want to be done playing.

[Gorkington]

okay.

[Gorkington]

Not voting.

There's 6 alive... so why vote today?

I get Roshar is likely scum but...

i would really rather not go to chicago with this game on my mind to this degree.
lynching roshar will likely mean closure at some level, whether it be a scumteam winning who probably deserves it or a scumflip that can be parsed.

[Gorkington]

i dont really think titus is scum.

[Gorkington]

i really wont be tossing blame your way if you flip town.
lol.

[Gorkington]

bcuz ur scummates!??!
a likely story!!!!

[Gorkington]

im pretty sure the only thing i will feel if you flip town is relief that the game is over.

[Gorkington]

i love clue.
your reception for clue jokes/references will be appreciated much more.

[Gorkington]

GET ON WITH IT.

[Gorkington]

>.>

I thought this was one of my all time best games.

well played.
i will probably never play with you again.
because i dont want to have to parse whether the way you play is town or scum because it hurts me a little kind of?
happy to interact with you elsewhere and stuff.
gg.

[Gorkington]

I think the lesson learned from this is "screw multiball", especially in a mini, because 2:1 is still multiball at this size.

this also

[Gorkington]

also thank you ether for hosting this game.
you da bomb diggity.

[Gorkington]

fire you were my shining light.
why did you have to die.