Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:40 pm

rc u disbelieving this is really silly. im not lying. this happened.

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:40 pm

In post 1640, RadiantCowbells wrote:No way bud.
You were a watcher who watched a kill and got tracker results you'd be hella unhappy about it RN.
Stop the straw grasping and trying to make Ether look bad.

OUR ROLE IS TOWN TRACKER WITH A MISLEADING ACTION DESCRIPTION WE USED OUR ACTION THINKING WE WHERE A TRACKER. I AM NOT MAD THAT I GOT THE EXPECTED ROLE RESULT I AM MAD YOU ARE MISREPPING THIS AS SCUM.
~Bee

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:41 pm

In post 1640, RadiantCowbells wrote:No way bud.
You were a watcher who watched a kill and got tracker results you'd be hella unhappy about it RN.
Stop the straw grasping and trying to make Ether look bad.

We thought we were a tracker though. It'd be a happy accident if we were actually a Watcher. we didn't notice this error until now, obviously

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:47 pm

Well I mean, I hate to use a mod error to towntell but if we're a scum tracker, why track Ranger? and if we didn't actually target Ranger, why not out our real, probably more useful result?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:57 pm

In post 1651, RadiantCowbells wrote:The mod would have confirmed that SOMETHING happened if something happened.
This is sheer lunacy. fuck off with your shit Aristophanes.

No, they wouldn't. As I've explained, confirming a mod error in role PM's would literally mod confirm me as town. They can't do that, the scum team would be understandably furious.

Not_Mafia wrote:So this is something I think we're all thinking and someone has to be the one to step up and say it

androgybee is a really bad username

...oh

i thought it sounded good.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:02 pm

In post 1658, RadiantCowbells wrote:
No, they wouldn't. As I've explained, confirming a mod error in role PM's would literally mod confirm me as town. They can't do that, the scum team would be understandably furious.

No it fucking wouldn't.
Scum tracker, scum watcher, doesn't mean shit.

If Ether confirms there was a mod error in Role PM's, we are essentially confirmed a Tracker.

If we're confirmed a tracker, we did track Ranger. It doesn't make sense as scum that we would water down our report in advance to this whole role PM madness in order to hide a superior report.

If we did track Ranger, it makes no sense for us to be scum.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:04 pm

OK, well if that's the one piece of logic you're not buying I guess that's acceptable. But the logic is there, and that's why Ether won't comment on it, I'm presuming.

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:10 pm

A fire has been lit in my heart. I am now invested in this game. I work all day tomorrow but tomorrow evening I'm going to try to do a reread and post a wall on current thoughts. I'll try my best not to get bogged down by confbias but obviously I don't have a good opinion of RC and Titus' slots rn. We have 10 days left and I'd appreciate if I would be given the time to put this together.

~Nahdia

I'm sorry you're annoyed RC

Forgetting the whole mod error thing (which it honestly is frustrating me that it took that to convince people I'm town) we really are town and I would still like to hear a complete explanation of why we're obvscum, including your fabled tonal reads.

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:11 pm

Please? For me? Your biggest fan?

androgybee · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:13 pm

I'm gonna call it a night for this game, I really need a breather. I woke up at 11pm to messages from beeboy like "uhhh hey i started playing plot maf and we're about to get lynched" and kinda went straight into go-time mode. What a rush, lmao.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:03 am

In post 1674, Ircher wrote:@Not
We're not lynching RC.

Town case him then.

~Bee

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:53 am

I can't post detailed thoughts now bc work but we're not voting RC. i had time last night to read the part I missed while I was asleep and beeboy was posting and I can see the possible progression of his read. will have more on this later but yeah just throwing that out there

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:55 am

In post 1690, Nahdia wrote:my thoguhts on titus are still negative though. especially as time went on they seemed like scum tryign to avoid getting mauled by the wounded animal that was my reaction to being wagoned.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:30 am

In post 1693, Titus wrote:
In post 1647, androgybee wrote:Well I mean, I hate to use a mod error to towntell but if we're a scum tracker, why track Ranger? and if we didn't actually target Ranger, why not out our real, probably more useful result?

~Nahdia

Yeah, there was likely no mixup. You said in your Skype chat you tracked Ranger out of fear, but now we're supposed to think you thought you were a watcher? Regardless this mystical error got cleared up by the time you picked your night action, so what's the relevance other than trying to fake a town tell?

If you tracked someone other than Ranger, outing them confirms a townie.

We did not think we were a watcher. You must not have been reading very closely on your catch up, please try again.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:31 am

An accurate summary of my townplay is a very long string of OMUGS's. I'm often right though ^_~

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:32 am

In post 1697, Titus wrote:
In post 1694, Ircher wrote:So, whats the chances of the claim being true?

5% and that's because site meta loves stupidity and lurking lately and punishes minority views for existing

Boy oh boy aren't

you

gonna look stupid! <3

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:32 am

I'm writing 1697 on my hand, so post game I remember that number, so I can quote it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1699, Titus wrote:
In post 1696, androgybee wrote:
In post 1693, Titus wrote:
In post 1647, androgybee wrote:Well I mean, I hate to use a mod error to towntell but if we're a scum tracker, why track Ranger? and if we didn't actually target Ranger, why not out our real, probably more useful result?

~Nahdia

Yeah, there was likely no mixup. You said in your Skype chat you tracked Ranger out of fear, but now we're supposed to think you thought you were a watcher? Regardless this mystical error got cleared up by the time you picked your night action, so what's the relevance other than trying to fake a town tell?

If you tracked someone other than Ranger, outing them confirms a townie.
We did not think we were a watcher. You must not have been reading very closely on your catch up, please try again.

~Nahdia

What is this bullshit then?

We thought we were a tracker until midday today, when Beeboy realized our role PM actually details a Watcher role despite being detailed as Tracker. After contacting Ether, she made the decision that we were unfortunately going to stay as a tracker since that's the result she gave and that's how we were playing up until then. We're not sure if Yimmy meant for us to be a watcher or a tracker in reality, and I assume Ether isn't really sure either.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:35 am

In post 1703, Titus wrote:
In post 1698, androgybee wrote:An accurate summary of my townplay is a very long string of OMUGS's. I'm often right though ^_~

~Nahdia

None of this is true. You're likely scum and your lylo play was off in Zelda. You didn't even consider Pisskop.

Uh, pisskop wasn't scumreading me in Zelda. SirCakez was. Remember who I lynched?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:35 am

Titus are you OK? You seem to having some memory issues.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:36 am

In post 1709, Ircher wrote:And, yet you brought it up in thread as an attempt at towncred?

Assuming you're referring to the error in the roel PM, beeboy brought it up as soon as he noticed it, before we got a response from Ether.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:38 am

In post 1710, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't.
I believe that Nahdia would be willing to AtE excessively and pull out dumb shit like the claim change specifically because it's against me.

I do what I have to to avoid getting lynched. I do not like to get lynched. I did tell you I'm very hard to lynch.

~Nahdia

RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't like how Nahdia's treating Titus like she's town now.

I'm not?

@Ircher you'll have to ask beeboy

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:43 am

In post 1717, Titus wrote:
In post 1708, androgybee wrote:Titus are you OK? You seem to having some memory issues.

No. I remember that game well. Pisskop and Dave's to made that game about likability instead of logic and consistent emotional play and you fell for it after me stating REPEATEDLY that's their scum MO AND getting night killed. You decided you were going to decide based on feels.

I resent the feels.

OK, are you yelling at me for past failures or are you trying to make a point about this game? Currently it seems like the former. I'm happy to talk about my logic during Zelda mafia if you want but this seems like not really the place...................

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:44 am

I really feel like you have me all wrong and completely misinterpreted how I played that game which I kind of resent but it's not relevant. if you're trying to annoy me good job though -_-'

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:45 am

If anything the meta you're bringing up should point to me being town, unless there's something I'm not getting, Titus.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:47 am

Didn't you just say you're like, really sure I'm town?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:47 am

I've already said I really want time when I'm not at work to post some walls on the game and again, would appreciate time to do that. You can lynch me afterwards.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:48 am

And I literally said half a page ago I don't think RC is scum so like, actually suck a dick, Ircher.

~Nahdia

Titus wrote:Both. You don't get to brag about how good you are by OMGUSing when that's a path to hell. And you don't get to discredit my memory when it's right.

You need to scumhunt talk to me about other reads or die.

That Ircher vote is terrible.

Jesus christ it was a joke.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:49 am

Again I'm at work and can't really dedicate enough focus to make big reads rn. I can respond to what's beign thrown at me and that's it.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:55 am

In post 1729, Ircher wrote:@Andro
If you were vengeful, who would you vengekill alongside your death rn?

I'd have to think about that one for awhile. Off the top of my head, Iecerint or Titus. I still think you're town, RC I lean town on... Aristo I'd maybe consider. I reacted positively to them last night but mulling over it and rereading some parts I missed, I'm a bit wary of them possibly white knighting my slot. Gork I'm pretty sure is town. Not_Mafia.... eh, I really don't know where I stand on him ATM. Who am I forgetting?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:56 am

In post 1730, Titus wrote:I NEED VIGS!

Willing to lynch Ircher now.

You don't blame the victim for the yelling AND plan flips in the event they are town. That's terribad.

Stop. Ircher is town. Stop trying to use my flip as a means to pivot into future lynches -_-'

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:58 am

RC is convinced we're scum. I can kind of see what he's forcing on, having reread the part I was asleep for, but our slot really honestly is town -_-' I forgive him for his read though but I wish he'd stop being so bullheaded and at least talk to me.

~Nahdia

p-edit right Mura uh yeah I'm not sure where I stand on him either but he might be a useful flip since I think a lot of people have given opinions on him? Him and NM are two I definitely need to ISO tonight.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:59 am

It's really lame to try to talk to a slot you're tryign to sort and have them just shut the door on you and as I said that does fit RC's scum meta at times but tbh I've seen him do similar stuff as town and at least this time I can understand the progression of his read. He's wrong though -_-' not the first time he's been wrong on me either

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:01 am

In post 1740, Titus wrote:
In post 1734, androgybee wrote:
In post 1730, Titus wrote:I NEED VIGS!

Willing to lynch Ircher now.

You don't blame the victim for the yelling AND plan flips in the event they are town. That's terribad.
Stop. Ircher is town. Stop trying to use my flip as a means to pivot into future lynches -_-'

So you have zero problem with Ircher lining up lynches if you flip town but you have a problem with me calling Ircher out on this as...lining up lynches??????

Someone get me vodka. Stat.

Yes, that's a pretty good summary.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:03 am

I'm planning on getting ridiculously drunk tonight, mind if you let me live another irl day so I can join you?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:05 am

Even if Titus is town, I presume she doesn't think much of my opinions on who is scum.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:07 am

Look I know I'm not a very good player but I'm calling it like I see it. I'm pretty sure Ircher was town and the way you just pivoted onto him was a lot worse fmpov than the way he asked me for my opinions on who should be murdered.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:10 am

In post 1751, Titus wrote:
In post 1749, androgybee wrote:Look I know I'm not a very good player but I'm calling it like I see it. I'm pretty sure Ircher was town and the way you just pivoted onto him was a lot worse fmpov than the way he asked me for my opinions on who should be murdered.

~Nahdia

If I was scumreading him for the vengekill question, you'd have a point.

Then I don't really understand again ._.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:23 am

I really think Ircher is town. Please don't try to lynch him tomorrow after to lynch me -_-' Or do, you probably don't give a damn what I think.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:27 am

It has nothing to do with that. Seriously, stop saying that.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:28 am

You're pissing me off.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:32 am

I'm pretty sure I've explained why I think Ircher is town and I've never freaking played with him before this game and know nothing about him so why are you presuming I read based on who I like? Like christ almighty, step the fuck off. That's actually a really mean thing to say and if you really think that's how I played Zelda mafia than I'm genuinely hurt. I'm a rookie but I'm not that much of a putz.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:33 am

Need I point out that you saying I'm reading based on who I like implies you think I'm genuinely reading, btw? Which implies I'm town? Can you even listen to the points you yourself are making -_-'

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:50 am

I pressure people who don't realize I'm town. I vote people who crack don't do well under the pressure.

You're gonna have to turn in that PhD you seem to think you have in reading me, Titus. Cause right now you're dead wrong or you're scum.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:52 am

In post 1772, beeboy wrote:
In post 1724, Titus wrote:Both. You don't get to brag about how good you are by OMGUSing when that's a path to hell. And you don't get to discredit my memory when it's right.

You need to scumhunt talk to me about other reads or die.

That Ircher vote is terrible.

I mean you can continue to misrep the situation but an OMGUS isn't exactly wrong when you are literally full of it.

~Bee

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:54 am

In post 1773, Titus wrote:I just said I was doubting my scumread on you and now you're saying I'm wrong?

you're vote is still on me and just said "this isn't town Nahdia" so yeah.

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:02 am

I'm willing to admit I'm easier than most to pocket but I don't think it's fair to say I only read people based on likability. I vote people who townread me sometimes. It happens >_> . I'm trying my best this game OK? I'll give some more coherent thoughts once I'm off work and then later some drunk thoughts and hopefully no one will have hammered me before then.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:02 am

Now I'm just really bummed out.......................

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:09 am

I'm pretty sure I'm at L-1 now?

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:27 pm

ye im collecting thoughts

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:28 pm

i mean basically my intention is just to post a wall of readlists and thoughts on this day in particular now that i've gotten some distance from stuff that kind of sent me into a frenzy of AtE in the moment. being wagoned is a good perspective to get reads from in my experience if you have the time to take a step back

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:07 pm

Spoiler: a decent amount of words

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:08 pm

VOTE: Iecerint

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:12 pm

I really don't like Aristo's last post again. They're kinda setting themselves up to switch back over to my wagon if the opportunity presents itself. I understand u don't have to keep up the confidence u had earlier but having said "androgybee may have confirmed themselves as town" then switching to that is... disheartening. like you really were just trying to buddy me in case i survive this or something. sigh.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:17 pm

sorry if that was disappointing i can post more tomorrow i have major attention problems and that was really difficult to do and my friends are trying to get me to watch a movie with them now so

Gork, RC, Ircher, Fire Assassin, and Not_Mafia are town.
Not sure on Maru and Roshar,
There's scum in Iecerint, Titus, Aristo

I'm pretty happy with having cut this game in half for now. I want to ISO Maru and Roshar in particular tomorrow. Aristo and Titus have given me a lot of really heavy mixed vibes. Iecerint hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes.

James Bond and Hard Cider time. seeya nerds <3

~Nahdia

androgybee · Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:18 pm

In post 1794, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1793, androgybee wrote:I really don't like Aristo's last post again. They're kinda setting themselves up to switch back over to my wagon if the opportunity presents itself. I understand u don't have to keep up the confidence u had earlier but having said "androgybee may have confirmed themselves as town" then switching to that is... disheartening. like you really were just trying to buddy me in case i survive this or something. sigh.

~Nahdia
Not at all. I still believe you to be town. Very strongly. And my vote will not go to you today.
I'm trying to think critically about this rather than let myself be blinded by the role mixup.

i dont wanna go without acknowleding this post ok i appreciate u clearing that up and it'd be really sad to me if i was only saved by that mod error so i appreciate u looking past that. i hope u can understand the trepidation i am having on ur slot tho.

ok seeya for real now.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:51 am

Drunk nahdia passed the fuck out.

Hungover Nahdia is here.

@Roshar I was mistaken earlier, it actually was me who mentioned Ranger originally. I said Iecerint or Ranger (I really couldn't tell you why) and Beeboy picked Ranger.

~Nahdia.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:52 am

I never said I scumread Ranger though, though I guess offering her as a track implies it.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:54 am

At this point I feel like I've made a decent bit of progress solving the game and I'm more comfortable being lynched on the condition people consider my reads after I die.

I'd still ike to ISO Rosh and Maru when I'm a bit less lazy but I could easily end up incorrect on them since neither really interacted with my slot heavily.

If you're interested in meta diving me your best bets are Newbie 1686 and Micro 592 (Legend of Zelda). Unfortunately I was never seriously under a heavy push in either of them.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=65431
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:57 am

Oh and I know I've said so but to reiterate since Gork said something to the contrary; I think RC's read on my slot is genuine and I don't think he's scum trying to force through a mislynch. I guess I could be wrong but honestly I think the reasoning for heavily scumreading our slot is legitimate, unfortunately.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:16 am

In post 1809, Gorkington wrote:youve played mafia elsewhere right?
any chance you could point me in direction of where?
or are you trying to leave those days behind and dont want people looking at that?

It'll be a bitch to read since there's no ISO'ing and the forum format sucks in general but:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/74997 - Account name Uranus - Town Loss
https://epicmafia.com/topic/75249 - Account name Perish - Mafia Win

There are others from that site but the topics got deleted I think. Besides that I played a good 2k ranked/competitive games on that site in their standard java chat mafia but yeah that's chat mafia and the game histories expire after a month. I have like 50 accounts there but here's some stat pages if you care.
https://epicmafia.com/user/462817/statistics
https://epicmafia.com/user/440040/statistics
https://epicmafia.com/user/447457/statistics
https://epicmafia.com/user/442451/statistics

From what little I know about RC I wouldn't say it's out of character for him to be stubborn. I guess I haven't really meta-dived him a lot though.

~Nahdia

p-edit ninja'd a million times. this is another one of those things i feel like is weird from Ircher but if he's scum I don't see him saying it.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:18 am

The Perish one I did AtE a lot though on day 1 so maybe you'll find that useful.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:32 am

Way to naked vote, Iecerint. I'd appreciate a case or else I'm going to assume your vote on me is purely survivalist since you know you're the next person on the chopping block. Did you really read all of last page and just go "yup yup yup scum vote: androgybee". Not that my catch-up should have proved my slot is town, but it's odd that THIS is the point where you decide to hop on this wagon. As if you were hoping it could go through without your participation and now that it's dissipated a bit you're forced to hop on.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:39 am

Why would you not want to put me at L-1? Seriously, I just looked at your ISO. You were agreeing with the push on me all day so far but never actually voted. And I don't see where you said "I don't want to put them at L-1", can you point out that post?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:39 pm

Ircher man you seriously confuse me. You call my slot's posts "Very Town Indicative" and then follow it up by voting us. You call Iecerint's posts "Very Scum Indicative" and follow it up by saying you don't want to lynch him......

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:43 pm

I so badly want to hold onto my early strong feeling that your slot is town but I feel like lately with every move you make, I'm giving you more and more benefit of the doubt in how I read you ._.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:57 pm

My ISO is heavy defending because I got wagoned to L-1 and had to save my slot -_- forgive me for being defensive when, you know, I'm being attacked. I took step back and actually analyzed the game afterwards.

Bad points concerning the claims? What about our claim is bad to you? We're a tracker..? Do you need us to talk more on our decisions or...? You didn't mention this at all when you were doing your ISO catchups, from what I can see.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:59 pm

AtE isn't always scum, it comes from either alignment. I apologize if it got excessive but I was kind of being very seriously closed in on and my instinct was to lash out and see what sticks. I know it's futile and doesn't help anything but that's just where my mind went. I was frustrated that I was being wagoned.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:00 pm

Ircher are you just saying if I'm town lynching us is good because we suck or something? I've been trying to solve the game, Iecerint has lurked entirely by your own admission. What the hell, dude?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:02 pm

None of what you're saying makes sense and I want you to switch your vote. I'm serious. I'm looking at your points and logically, they're all just flat wrong or bad. Help me help you. What do you need from me to address your concern with "claim hijinks". Reading me based on AtE I disagree with on principle but I can accept if that's how your playing, but your other points are just backwards and I don't understand what's up with you.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:04 pm

Lynching people in order to get associations is bad. Here's an idea; accept that I'm town and work from there. If I were to flip town today, how would your reads change? Change your reads in that manner, because I'm town.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:07 pm

There was no "decision to use it for towncred". Beeboy noticed it about our role PM and it came up in the thread that he wanted to ask the mod about it before anyone tried to hammer since we could have a guilty. The discussion was organic.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:14 pm

I hate that you want to use my flip to further your own reads. How egotistical can you get. I'm a player with reads too ya know -_-' Our slot is town and lynching me for information hurts town way more than it helps...

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:List of Problems with Andro:

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:1) Claim -- I don't buy it. Either 1) You are fakeclaiming entirely or 2) You fakeclaimed your target. If it were 3) You are a tracker and you did target Ranger, then that makes you auto-town, but you have no way to prove that.
Can't respond to this unfortunately it comes down to you believing us or not.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:2) Heavy use of AtE -- While AtE isn't AI always, the excessive use of it just didn't read as town AtE to me. Some of it did, but most of it didnt.
I wasn't AtE'ing for the sake of AtE, I was angry that I had just been woken up in the middle of the night to see I'm being wagoned and it was my first instinct.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:3) Inconsistent Reads -- At one point, you put down current thoughts on players. 2 posts later, you put down a readlist that is rather inconsistent with what you said in the previous post. Hard to believe that was authentic (though it is possible it is an honest mistake)
I pointed out you did the exact same thing and you hand waved it, so it's odd you're only willing to call it an "honest mistake" at best.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:4) Heavy defending; no scumhunting. Though, it looks like the slot is trying now
I've already explained; I was on the defensive because that's all I could do in the moment when I thought I was about to get lynched. Since I had some time, I took a step back and actually analyzed the game. Defensiveness is only scummy if it's the entirety of someone's play.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:5) I feel most confident in this lynch right now. I'm not quite so much "on the fence" as I have been with previous wagons. I feel there is a good chance of scum and a decent case to be made.
And yet, you've pointed out all of our posts individually are town-indicative. I feel like you just really want to have a lynch for the sake of having a lynch. Not that I'm saying it's scummy of you, I just think you're being extremely lazy about this and it's shitty of you to do so.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:6) RC backs this wagon. I heavily townread RC right now.
RC is wrong.

In post 1868, Ircher wrote:7) Regardless of alignment, this is a good info lynch imo. The only other good info lynch is Titus.

Except you'll be losing a town tracker.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:32 pm

uhg. i fucked up. whatever you get the point.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:35 pm

I'm just going to drop right here that I've got more to say on this but I want to save it for post game because I hate going into this certain subject while the game is on-going and people try to read into it like it's an alignment tell. Reminder me after the game that I had something important after the game to say right here. Right at this point.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:52 pm

In post 1893, Ircher wrote:Scummy != Scum.

Town do scummy stuff too; in fact, more oft, as scum try to be more catious.

Head your own advice, and re-read my ISO.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:54 pm

In post 1895, androgybee wrote:
In post 1893, Ircher wrote:Scummy != Scum.

Town do scummy stuff too; in fact, more oft, as scum try to be more catious.
Heed
your own advice, and re-read my ISO.

~Nahdia

EBWOP sigh spelling is freaking HARD

Specifically I'm referring to the "inconsistent reads" thing from beeboy you're trying to push my slot on. If scum is generally more cautious, doesn't that mean what beeboy did is actually more likely to come from town?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:55 pm

I'm pretty sure I made this exact point about beeboy's inconsistency, I guess you must have missed that

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. beeboy gave inconsistent reads for the sake of wifom, because people's first instinct would obviously be to townread that..... riiiiiiiiiight...

Off the top of my head? My pool would be Maru, Aristo, and Roshar. I have a lot of thoughts on who to track but going too deep into them is just telling scum to what extent they need to counter me tonight.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:11 pm

Cool beans, dude.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:25 pm

In post 1919, Not_Mafia wrote:Because the last few (rl) days have been like 2 dozen pages of aimless unproductive spam

Unproductive for you maybe but people's reads have developed so clearly it hasn't been entirely useless.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:46 pm

In post 1940, beeboy wrote:
In post 1868, Ircher wrote:3) Inconsistent Reads -- At one point, you put down current thoughts on players. 2 posts later, you put down a readlist that is rather inconsistent with what you said in the previous post. Hard to believe that was authentic (though it is possible it is an honest mistake)

Nothing was inconsistent sorry bud.

androgybee · Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:53 pm

I think the disconnect here is that beebs is defining "null" as a wider scope as you seem to view it.

-Nahdia (my tilde key is sticking im using dash now. deal with it)

androgybee · Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:08 am

I don't have problems pulling out AtE. Objectively I don't like to, but it's an instinctual reaction. Once I cooled down a bit, I looked at the game more objectively. You seem to be ignoring that detail. I'm sorry that I "kicked and screamed", just read it as null. I would do it as scum, I did it as town. It's just me on a personal level as much as I dislike it about myself.

I don't really think my play has been bad aside from the Ranger track. I was completely disinterested in this game after day 1 so yeah, I botched targeting and ended up just agreeing to track someone who I don't have faith in my ability to read. Oh well. I promise to put a lot more into my tracks in the future.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:21 pm

Hi drunk RC! <3

-Nahdia

androgybee · Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:27 pm

was it something i said? :[

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:45 am

is it bad if at this point i kind of want to get lynched just so you guys can get over the huge red herring that is my slot? >_>

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:49 am

so vote me, i'm pretty over this game. im relatively confident in my earlier reads where i split the game in half. i'd like the opportunity to make another track but knowing my luck ill track the kill again.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:52 am

like i tried so freaking hard to save this slot but honestly the climb is intense. and im really not all that confident the guy im pushing is even scum, i have no confident scumread here. i'm pretty sure the 5 i listed as town earlier are in fact town.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:23 am

They don't think I'm town and I'm honestly just sick of having to worry about convincing them otherwise.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:00 pm

Could be worse. epicmafia site meta is to find one player who is clear by role mechanics, and have everyone selfvote and shut up while they decide who to hammer.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:35 pm

quick scum tell me who ur killing so i can track them

-Nahdia

androgybee · Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:37 pm

In post 2048, Roshar wrote:Isn't that a watcher role?

hahhahhahhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahhh
ahaahahahhh
ahaha
ha
[gross sobbing]

-nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:05 am

Ircher role blocked us ffs

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:15 am

androgybee wrote:Ircher role blocked us ffs

-Bee ftr

In post 1903, androgybee wrote:Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. beeboy gave inconsistent reads for the sake of wifom, because people's first instinct would obviously be to townread that..... riiiiiiiiiight...

Off the top of my head? My pool would be Maru, Aristo, and Roshar. I have a lot of thoughts on who to track but going too deep into them is just telling scum to what extent they need to counter me tonight.

~Nahdia

Quoting this for reference.

For disclosure; we tried to track Titus. My idea was to make it look like I wasn't considering tracking her so if she is a scum PR or even a goon, she would possibly feel safe making an action without fear of getting tracked. Ircher using his roleblock on us makes me think Roshar or Aristo might be scum, but the Maru slot dying anyway makes that revelation... not especially surprising.

Who was Maru scumreading?

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:27 am

In post 2061, Gorkington wrote:davsto. -.-

Same :T

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:33 am

Oh I assumed that was scum.

Yeah that'd be nice to have some confirmation on.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:33 am

In post 2064, beeboy wrote:
is ircher town or scum

Grabbin' this for beebs

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:37 am

In post 2070, Roshar wrote:
In post 2060, androgybee wrote:
androgybee wrote:Ircher role blocked us ffs
-Bee ftr
In post 1903, androgybee wrote:Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. beeboy gave inconsistent reads for the sake of wifom, because people's first instinct would obviously be to townread that..... riiiiiiiiiight...

Off the top of my head? My pool would be Maru, Aristo, and Roshar. I have a lot of thoughts on who to track but going too deep into them is just telling scum to what extent they need to counter me tonight.

~Nahdia
Quoting this for reference.

For disclosure; we tried to track Titus. My idea was to make it look like I wasn't considering tracking her so if she is a scum PR or even a goon, she would possibly feel safe making an action without fear of getting tracked.
Ircher using his roleblock on us makes me think Roshar or Aristo might be scum, but the Maru slot dying anyway makes that revelation... not especially surprising.

Who was Maru scumreading?

~Nahdia

Explain this logic please.

I was under the assumption Ircher was a scum roleblocker.

And I explicitly said I would be tracking in Roshar/Aristo/Maruchan.

Ircher presumably wouldn't bother blocking me if none of those people are scum.

But if Ircher is town then that's useless.

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:54 am

Because I'm town :\

~Nahdia

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:13 am

I saw "Roleblocker" and I assumed scum. It's generally a scum role.

androgybee · Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:55 am

In post 2195, Nahdia wrote:
@mod are scum able to use their role abilities and perform factional kills on the same night?

androgybee · Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:26 pm

so uh.

androgybee · Mon May 02, 2016 3:11 pm

i honestly have no freaking clue :\

-nahdia

androgybee · Mon May 02, 2016 3:17 pm

sorry for the lackluster prod dodge. i just dont know where to go at this point. if FA was a scum executioner then couldn't his team essentially blitz at this point if it were singleball?

androgybee · Tue May 03, 2016 1:00 pm

VOTE: nolynch

why not do this?

androgybee · Wed May 04, 2016 2:36 pm

just based on today i'd do NM over Roshar

-Nahdia

androgybee · Thu May 05, 2016 6:02 pm

VOTE: NM

~beeboy

androgybee · Fri May 06, 2016 9:16 am

In post 2442, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 2441, RadiantCowbells wrote:UNVOTE:

I'm concerned with lynching NM, him flipping SK, and Firebringer slot quickhammering for the win tomorrow.
Who the hell is firebringer?

I forgot you where an alt this game.

androgybee · Fri May 06, 2016 9:30 am

Why would Firebringer claim his ability as scum if he doesn't plan on using it?

Also why are we ruling out the possibility of a vig that doesn't want to claim. I would totally not claim vig.

androgybee · Fri May 06, 2016 9:37 am

Fire Assassin I mean*

androgybee · Fri May 06, 2016 10:08 am

UNVOTE:

:< hard game is hard

~Bee

androgybee · Fri May 06, 2016 10:28 am

I just realized if NM was the SK and Fire Assassin was scum the game would be over.

My town vote + 4 scum vote = lynch + game.

androgybee · Sat May 07, 2016 6:04 pm

VOTE: NM

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:22 pm

Before I say my tracking result can someone update me on the current claims?

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:26 pm

who did you vend to and wtf is a RC claim?

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:26 pm

......Well that's interesting.

-Nahdia

@Bee Roshar, Titus, Aristo claim VT.

Gork claims music vendor

RC claims rolecop

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:27 pm

oh role cop

~Bee

Let's go be that hydra that talks to themselves.

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:35 pm

Our result is that Gorkington visited Fire Assassin.

Which is odd, considering we targeted Roshar.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:36 pm

We are NLing once RC appears btw.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:37 pm

Who did the redirector target N-2 is the question after we claimed tracker :/

I don't understand that one at all.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:38 pm

Scum have a JOAT.
We where blocked N-2.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:40 pm

Wait we have a town roleblocker who could have targeted us for some reason.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:41 pm

Ircher likely blocked us n2. We were probably also redirected without knowing.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 12:47 pm

I guess that depends on the specific mechanics of said roleblocker.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:03 pm

I just realized if scum has a busdriver they don't need to be scared of either a tracker or a role blocker because they thought a night action would never target Gork and as a result they knew a guilty couldn't appear on Roshar.
Scum is in {Roshar, RC} for this to make any sense.

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:03 pm

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:05 pm

Literally claimed it one page back, RC.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:05 pm

In post 2590, Gorkington wrote:so you think scum have a rolecop and a busdriver in this setup?

You are right so scum is Roshar + You?

I think it is odd that you would claim scum have a bus driver when it could have been a redirector.

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:06 pm

Wait Gork you can't be scum as well.

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:07 pm

In post 2596, RadiantCowbells wrote:I checked Roshar and he's a compulsive music vendor.
So it looks like scum bussed Gork with Roshar?

Yup are results demonstrate that as well.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:07 pm

RC,

read

man.

RadiantCowbells wrote:I checked Roshar and he's a compulsive music vendor.
So it looks like scum bussed Gork with Roshar?

"Your target" or "Roshar is". We got a "Roshar is" as well as an assurance there were no mod errors.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:10 pm

Roshar is basically conf scum right now I think.
There is no way a scum bus driver would target someone that isn't themselves when 2 town PRs are effectively guilties.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:11 pm

Do you think it's possible scum bussed two townies? We have to consider it :\

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:11 pm

The question is, is it Aristo or Titus as the partner.
(If it is Titus I called it, it also makes sense given Titus is the only scum read ranger had that hasn't flipped town thus far)

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:14 pm

In post 2609, Roshar wrote:lmao what the hell is going on, scum is painting me as a target?

Er, Andro, explain again why your results confirm I am scum.

Because these results only make sense if both us and RC are town.
A scum bus driver that leaves 2 investigatives alive would only do it if they know the investigatives won't give meaningful results.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:15 pm

Now with Roshar who is crazier, Aristo or Titus?

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:15 pm

Cause killing Fire Assassin was next level balls.

~Bee

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:15 pm

@mod Can scum use factional kill and role action in the same night?

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:25 pm

In post 2626, RadiantCowbells wrote:no but like why the fuck bus with you then.

why wouldn't Roshar bus with a vanilla?

Because Gork is already being townread and reports on a vanilla which could potentially clear them are bad for scum.
-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 1:26 pm

Like, the way I see it, scum was just trying to make our reports as useless as possible. They knew we'd never check Gork, so they tried to make our reports show up on him.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 3:17 pm

I'm not voting Gorkington.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Wed May 11, 2016 3:20 pm

Alright.

*Waits for the Titus/Aristo Blitz*

-Nahdia

androgybee · Thu May 12, 2016 4:58 pm

Kinda wanted Aristo to talk today.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Thu May 12, 2016 5:02 pm

I'm aware I have the hammer. We want Aristo to talk.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Thu May 12, 2016 5:14 pm

Oh man it's a Titus/RC team isn't it.

-Nahdia

androgybee · Thu May 12, 2016 5:21 pm

And you guys almost lynched me~ ^_^

-Nahdia