Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[Postie]

Hey guys, this game you have the pleasure of playing with a WHOLE HOARD OF OTTERS!
We don't want to cause confusion though, so we'll be assigning one otter as a representative each day. Today you get me - Charlie the happy sea otter!

VOTE: Virtue

Why are you alting? What do you have to hide?

[Postie]

otters come in hoards...?

They do now!

a whole hoard of otters sounds p much like a 100% scumrole to me...

VOTE: Postie

Don't worry, we're specifically libertarian otters!

[Postie]

So Ranger looks pretty town I think.
(I should probably mention that all the happy emoticons I keep using are part of my post restriction.)

[Postie]

VOTE: Yume

More details please!

[Postie]

Hey who is the Whatever Angel in your hydra?

[Postie]

also fyi guys my pick was too sexual and so my flavour won't flip if I ever die, just getting it out there.

This makes little sense. Wouldn't the mod just use your second or third flavour picks if it was actually an issue?
What are you not telling us?

[Postie]

I don't buy it.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[Postie]

To clarify - I believe you about your flavour not flipping and even perhaps that your flavour is some kind of sex creature; what I don't believe is that your flavour doesn't flip purely because the mod deemed it "too sexual".

[Postie]

I'm not rolefishing, I'm saying I don't believe that any mod ever would say "this flavour is too sexual, so instead of making the player change it I'm just not going to flip it".
Do we find out your flavour at the end of the game, shotty?

[Postie]

WRYTPIB?

???

[Postie]

This Postie wagon is interesting

What does this mean?

[Postie]

You used the word "interesting" though. What's interesting?

[Postie]

You used the word "interesting" though. What's interesting?

it isn't a bad vote I guess.

~Bee

Your question dodging skills need work.

VOTE: WhiteLight

[Postie]

I had a problem with you calling you saying Shotty was scum for not being able to claim his flavor.

Not what I was said. At all. What I said was that I didn't buy that the mod wouldn't flip someone's flavour for the reason he gave. I'm not a fan of how he answered to the concerns I raised either.

It isn't role fishing exactly but it felt more like filler and it didn't serve any purpose other then looking like you are trying to scum hunt from my point of view.

I was clearly concerned. Either that, or faking concern. If I'm genuinely concerned, that's not filler. If I'm faking concern, I'm scum for that reason and not fake scumhunting.
Your reasoning doesn't add up here.

[Postie]

First part) Why not ask the mod instead of Shotty himself the mod answer would either show Shotty is scum or show he is telling the truth.

The mod's not going to answer a question like that.

What answer do you honestly expect him to give outside what he already said?

I have something in mind, but I'm not going to say it because I want to see if shotty says so himself first.

Second part) I have trouble seeing that be a legit concern because there is no reason to lie about something like that. Also if that was indicative of him being scum he could just make fake flavor since this is literally the most broad upick ever hosted. Also if this was a legit concen I still think you would ask the mod. You honestly aren't thinking this through which I don't expect from town.

So

now

I'm scum for faking concern. Okay.

[Postie]

with the idea that Shotty's flavor not flipping is impossible.

Still! Not! What! I! Said!

[Postie]

Pretty sure shotty's partial flip is just part of his role. like, a self-jan or whatever. it's NU and he was right to claim it.

Sure, maybe, but that's not the explanation he gave. The explanation he gave was

my pick was too sexual and so my flavour won't flip if I ever die

which sounds like bullshit.

[Postie]

Who is The Angelic Presence known as nothingness?

[Postie]

ARGH! I forgot to !

[Postie]

Totally didn't say I'm hydra-ing with Fate in the sign-up thread or anything. Naw, yo.

Oh! Nahdia!

Postie what happens if you don't include a with one of your posts?

Nothing, unless I do it 3 times, then something.

[Postie]

Somewhat. Why?

[Postie]

So what happens if I make you not post an emoticon two more times?

Well I don't die or anything.

[Postie]

driving mobile post

If I were allowed to use angry emoticons I would put one here!
Do not text and drive!

[Postie]

Why use this as a platform to further doing nothing.

If you openly admit to putting lives in danger, I'm gonna call you out on it.

[Postie]

Oh man these emoticons are making everything non-happy I say sound passive aggressive or condescending.
I will try to say happier things!

[Postie]

If you're honestly still driving while posting I'd be tempted to call for a policy lynch on your slot, because fuck that.
I think I'm going to add a rule to my own modding ruleset that anyone who admits to posting while driving gets modkilled without warning.

[Postie]

I'm supposed to be a happy otter!
Please don't make me sad!

[Postie]

will you people stop claiming things

Part of my post restriction is that I have to claim which otter I am in my first post. The same applies to all future otters you may encounter.

Does it matter the reason it does not flip? If he dies we will see what happens.

Yes. There's no reason for him to lie about it as town.

[Postie]

Yes. There's no reason for him to lie about it as town.

Lynch all liars?

~Suz

Lynch all liars with no town motivation to lie and potential scum motivation, yes.

[Postie]

The way WhiteLight keeps defending shotty feels off.

More WhiteLight votes please!

[Postie]

What's off about WhiteLight defending shotty?
-smart

It's hard to explain other than as "off". The way they keep jumping in to defend him just feels super whiteknighty.

[Postie]

He's not even under any real pressure. How can you whiteknight someone who's not under pressure?

If they're being defended from something, they're under pressure, even if that pressure is miniscule.

Also why are you assuming the person you're attacking is town for the purposes of attacking someone else?

Because I don't think WhiteLight would defend a partner this obviously.

[Postie]

Of the people who have posted so far:

Yume
Ranger

Demonic Angel
Untrod Tripod
The Limit Does Not Exist
Gammagooey

drmyshottyizsik

Antihero

/

Ircher

WhiteLight

Or if you prefer:

{Yume, Ranger}
{Demonic Angel, Untrod Tripod, The Limit Does Not Exist, Gammagooey}
{drmyshottyizsik}
{Antihero, Ircher} --- NULL ----
{WhiteLight}

[Postie]

[snip]

On reread, moving Gamma into the same tier as shotty.

[Postie]

ARGH! I forgot to in both of my previous posts. That's bad. That's very bad!

[Postie]

My role PM says I get three warnings and, while I've messed up three times now, I haven't gotten any warnings so hopefully I'm still good.

And sorry, Anti. I've never seen scum!you so I don't really know how to sort you. I mean I know I don't know the scum meta of most of the people I'm townreading, but they're, like, towny in a way I think would be difficult to fake.

[Postie]

Postie's argument is literally "WhiteLight is scum because they are whiteknighting shotty. I know shotty is town because WhiteLight wouldn't defend their partner like that." which is like, logical fallacies out the wazoo.

Not really. My argument is that the way they're defending shotty feels unnatural, but too obvious to be scum defending scum, and therefore it feels like whiteknighting.
Also, I don't like the way WhiteLight slid off my wagon earlier on in the game. We were still partly in RVS so it just felt really unnatural again, like they didn't want to be seen on a potential mislynch.

[Postie]

And Anti isn't?

I don't understand what you're asking.

Do you usually rely on meta to scumhunt, Postie?

I find it helpful but don't rely on it except for players I'm really familiar with.

[Postie]

Postie, are you claiming post-restricted? Demonic, why do you feel a need to role fish? I feel that the post-restriction is faked though. -

Scum-Indicative

1. Yes.
2. Why would I fake a post restriction?

[Postie]

Pedit: Gambit.

?????????

[Postie]

Anti, do you have a read on Ircher?

[Postie]

My role PM says I get three warnings and, while I've messed up three times now, I haven't gotten any warnings so hopefully I'm still good.

Burn the witch.

I have two warnings (the one where I missed one twice in a row counted as one), apparently, and I can have

up to

three warnings, so bad things happen the 4th time I derp.

[Postie]

And yet, you're basically using meta in townreading people to say that Anti isn't a townread because you're not familiar with his meta. ??????

No? I'm not using any meta to townread people?
It's just that the people I'm townreading have been town in a way I don't think is easy to fake, whereas I'm not sure I can say the same for Anti. I'm leaning town on him now though, mainly because his annoyance at not being townread feels town.

[Postie]

Which part?

[Postie]

Which part?

The warnings.

I have post restriction for today where I have to include a happy emoticon in every post, because I'm a happy otter.

And dammit, I missed one again. I'm not doing well.

[Postie]

Making a read wall involves forming opinions on all the players. Town IMO should think wtf Titus is in the game and not posting yet.

I noticed you were gone but I thought you were busy or something.

[Postie]

What happens if you fail?

Something bad.
And I only have one fail left.

Yeah, I was technically posting elsewhere. I don't see a town Postie ignoring that without good cause or at least a comment.

If you went mysteriously absent in the middle of the game I might have been concerned, but things were just getting started, so I thought you hadn't gotten round to this game yet or something.

[Postie]

On what date did you find out I was Virtue?

When you changed from Virtue to your main in Mini 1762.
I don't know the exact date but I can look it up if you need me to.

[Postie]

That's what happens when you pick a fight with approximately six hundred fucking otters.

Titus is super anti-bus so I'm pretty sure the reason her push on us felt so obviously like contrived bullshit was because it was an attempt to derail the wagon off her partner.

VOTE: WhiteLight

This dies today.

Oh yeah, and I'm Tyler the irate Congo Clawless Otter. I'm abrasive and swear a lot (new post restriction). Apparently this town wasn't a fan of otters that are happy all the time, so now you get

me

.

[Postie]

Wel, there's 4 of us:

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

Last scum is in Arabella/Ircher then. Arabella/Ircher was also my prediction for last scum whilst I was rereading at the start of night 1, so that's reassuring. We got this shit. GG.

[Postie]

It's hard to explain but 133 and 138 ping me as super town.

[Postie]

Oh shit I forgot my post restriction already.

[Postie]

Ircher stop being bad. WhiteLight is obvscum both from play and the way Titus derailed their wagon.
Vote them if you don't want to be fucking quicklynched tomorrow.

[Postie]

Ty. <3

Nah we are town so we are either lynching Ircher or Limit today.

Fucking hell Limit is clearly town.

[Postie]

Well now I can't decide which of you is scummier.

Hint: It's WhiteLight.

Titus' reasons for wanting me dead were so fucking bad and grasping at straws that I think she'd have taken some heat for them after my flip. I don't think she'd have come up with shit that desperate unless she had a reason for

needing

to push my lynch through that day.

Oh yeah and while we're on the topic of nightkills - any ideas about why we had three deaths? Scum/town vig? PGO?

[Postie]

@postie- the kill flavor pretty much confirms that shotty used his lover-neighborize on UT and that's what killed him. I'd put some pretty good money on shotty being some sort of vig kill because he's a pretty awful player.

Oh yeah. UT dying because of shotty would make sense. Thanks.

Demonic is conf town cuz a scumflip from the neighborhood confirms their role.

I'm not following. More details?

@Arabella

please do shit when you get in here later ty.

[Postie]

Why is Arabella so high up on your list, Ranger?

Also, I really don't like how Ircher has more votes than obvscum right now. It's making me really fucking uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure the last scum is between Ircher/Arabella, but we haven't really heard from Arabella yet so can we take Ircher off L-1 for now before someone derphammers please?

[Postie]

Because I buy the townread on them.

What townread?

We know that there's a scum in the neighborhood. Ergo, we should lynch Ircher. If he is scum, we now know both Arabella and Yume are town. If he flips town, we now know that Arabella is likely scum. (Like I said, I buy the protective role claim from Yume.) Ergo, Ircher should be lynched today.

We can deal with White Light tomorrow. I agree they're probably scum. But keep in mind we have a cop, somewhere in the players unclaimed. So unless Ircher claims cop, we can wait to lynch WhiteLight until tomorrow.

True, but it's a choice between one player who looks super obvscum and a 50/50 shot of hitting scum between two players. And I think the chances of WhiteLight flipping scum are a lot higher than 50/50.
I could maybe do Ircher if Arabella towns things up, but I'm not sure I fucking buy that both the leading wagons are on scum right now.

[Postie]

We know there's a scum in the neighborhood. We know Antihero was killed, probably in part for his reads. I buy his townread on Arabella being accurate.

Oh,

that

townread. Fair enough.

True, but it's a choice between one player who looks super obvscum and a 50/50 shot of hitting scum between two players. And I think the chances of WhiteLight flipping scum are a lot higher than 50/50.

I agree White Light is scum, but I also think Ircher is obvscum and their interactions are painfully obviously scum-scum. Given this, I think lynching Ircher first is ideal.

I want to hear a bit more from Arabella first but Anti's townread might just be enough to tip me in favour of lynching Ircher.
What are the chances of Demonic Angel having lied about there being confirmed scum in the neighbourhood?

Postie, what do you want from me? Throw some questions my way if it'd help

Reads and shit would be a good place to start.

[Postie]

How would he know about the neighborhood as scum unless there was scum inside?

Oh yeah. For some strange fucking reason I thought Demonic Angel was part of the neighbourhood.

[Postie]

Sowee. I mainly just really fucking hated your other reads. You can vote Arabella if you want. Nowhere else though.

[Postie]

The fact it's looking like the scumteam are WhiteLight/Ircher and our only wagons are on both of them, plus comments like 408, is really fucking weirding me out though.

[Postie]

Hi! I'm Sophie, the amorous North American River Otter!

I trust Bellaphant the least right now, so if we're lynching I'd go there, but if there are super cool No Lynch plans that'll put us in autowin or something I can go with that too.

Gamma's 1-shot cop check won't help us because the godfather is still alive, right?

As far as claiming goes, we are Approximately Six Hundred Widowed Libertarian Otters of Unspecified Species, Dietary Preference, and Emotional Stabillity. Our role is Post Restricted 1-Shot Governor (a version that lets us redirect the lynch onto someone else, apparently). As you've seen, the post restriction changes depending on our spokes

person

otter. If we break the post restriction more than 3 times in one day phase, we lose our vote for that day (if we still had our ability we would lose that).

While we're on that topic...

oh posties still alive too thats cool

You don't know what you've just done. <3

[Postie]

Hi, Sophie. WhiteLight was the godfather.

Oops. I can't read.

Also, I was a bit confused when Titus was lynched about how short the time between you being hammered and her flipping was... did you choose her to die instead?

Yep!

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

but primarily, i'm a time-traveling, neighborizing backup. If I target someone that dies that night, I gain a neighborhood with them (I bring them to an alternate worldline/timeline) and some piece of their abilities.

This is such a cool ability by the way.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

What's the benefit of No Lynching rather than doing night action stuff after a lynch?

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

DA, did your role PM say there was

one

scum in the neighbourhood or

at least

one scum in the neighbourhood?

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

Okay, then Bella being scum still makes the most sense.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

Can we just lynch Bella? I suppose Gamma's not completely off the hook yet but we can let the night actions take care of that.

VOTE: Bellaphant

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

I like the sound of that.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

I suddenly don't want to trust Demonic again... I noticed the part in the rules that said "unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise" and it could be a "you can do both if you're the last scum remaining" thing...

Possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely.

Demonic Angel <3

[Postie]

imo the least fuckable-with way to win the game is just to murder as many people that aren't conf-town or borderline as possible

Basically this.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

One of the founding fathers of democracy isn't on team free will? Really?

Wouldn't one of the founding fathers of democracy also be an easy fakeclaim?

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

I'm scared and have no idea what I'm doing.
Demonic Angel sounds like they know what they're doing so let's do that.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

Fine dude. If Postie is scum I'm never letting you live it down.

If it makes you feel any better, if I wanted to govern the lynch onto a partner then me governing the lynch onto Titus instead of WhiteLight seems kind-of insane. WhiteLight was going to die anyway, whereas Titus is a competent scum player and would have been more of a pain in the ass to get out of the way (which is why I sent the lynch there).
I get that I'm not really cleared though, and I was a bit suprised by how quickly I was declared "conftown".

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

I don't really buy that Bella and Aristo would submit Alexander Hamilton as their flavour pick so *fingers crossed*.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Postie]

Dorothy the depressed Asian Small-Clawed Otter checking in.
We lynch Gamma now, right?

[Postie]

I'm townreading everyone. What the heck.

[Postie]

I'm pretty sure Yume's town so

VOTE: Gammagooey

[Postie]

Dammit I forgot to

[Postie]

You're awfully keen not to be lynched.

[Postie]

I thought you said it didn't matter who we lynched because we win either way? So it doesn't matter, right?
I'm not voting Yume at any point this game.

[Postie]

This was super fun!