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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:01 pm

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take off your pants
and your panties

shit on the floor

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Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:10 pm

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otters come in hoards...?
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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:21 pm

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In post 10, Ranger wrote:Based on the wording in my PM, I'm pretty sure the mafia have a godfather, so our cop should be aiming to get guilties until we lynch that role.
I can clarify details if you'd prefer, but this was the important bit.
yeah go ahead and do that

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Post Post #18 (isolation #3) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:40 pm

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'kay so we got this upick by rc, blitz 25 from a couple months ago.

Spoiler:
town:
2-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Motion Detector
Mason Tree Stump
Mason Encryptor
Pregame 2-Shot Neighbourizer
Super Saint Suicide Bomber
Loved Macho Townie

scum:
Encryptor JoAT Inventor Traitor
1-Shot Ninja Flavour Cop
1-Shot Gladiator Conditional Strongman



that's pretty scumsided...
the only town investigative is the motion detector so throwing a cop in here would be different. i guess rc could do cop/godfather combo ...? depending on who reviewed this.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #4) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:46 pm

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In post 17, Ranger wrote:Basically, I'm too good to get a role, and I love being town, but my connection to scum as a competent scum player means that I show up as one. So I don't get to deceive everyone into thinking I'm a Free Will player when I'm not (this is the part that makes me think there's a godfather); instead, I get to be a Free Will player who others will think is a willbreaker.
hm....


(was the scummer me?)
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Post Post #22 (isolation #5) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:52 pm

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if you listen closely, you can hear my ego slowly deflating...

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Post Post #23 (isolation #6) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:53 pm

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so apparently rob13 and firebringer reviewed this

there could be a godfather
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Post Post #26 (isolation #7) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:55 pm

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In post 21, Ranger wrote:I'll tell you that I do admit, I was trying to game the system as to force RC to give me a town-aligned role of awesome power.

He figured it out. :P
well now i'm curious about what scummer you picked...
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Post Post #28 (isolation #8) » Tue May 17, 2016 9:02 pm

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now you're going to hold out on me after depriving me of my ego trip?

you...
are just relentless
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Post Post #30 (isolation #9) » Tue May 17, 2016 9:14 pm

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you and me, ranger

we're over
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Post Post #31 (isolation #10) » Tue May 17, 2016 9:15 pm

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also
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Post Post #67 (isolation #11) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:59 am

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VOTE: whitelight
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Post Post #73 (isolation #12) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:57 am

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of course the mods not going to answer that.

are you scumreading limit?
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Post Post #74 (isolation #13) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:57 am

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In post 71, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:(can reviewers make a mod add a role?)
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Post Post #82 (isolation #14) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 78, WhiteLight wrote:^ that was for antihero
why did it bother you that they were townreading me?
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Post Post #83 (isolation #15) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 76, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Are you scumreading us, anti?
nope
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Post Post #84 (isolation #16) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 77, WhiteLight wrote:I think the mod would answer
mods arent going to confirm a specific private communication.

shotty was the "not going to flip bc sexual" stuff in your role pm?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #17) » Wed May 18, 2016 6:13 am

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In post 86, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
In post 83, Antihero wrote:
In post 76, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Are you scumreading us, anti?
nope
Why did you ask whitelight if they were?
because its something that might (?) explain why they went out of their way to pooh pooh your read on me.

the whole exchange there rubs me the wrong way. it comes off to me as less a legitimate concern about either of our alignments and more of a kneejerk, butthurt reaction to you correctly townreading me for the "wrong" reasons
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Post Post #153 (isolation #18) » Wed May 18, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 142, Postie wrote:
In post 140, WhiteLight wrote:
In post 139, Postie wrote:Yes. There's no reason for him to lie about it as town.
Lynch all liars?

~Suz
Lynch all liars with no town motivation to lie and potential scum motivation, yes. :)
at this point, i'm pretty certain it's a breakdown in communication and the "too sexual" thing is the flavor rc gave to accompany the self-janitor thing shotty is claiming.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #19) » Wed May 18, 2016 10:13 am

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also, i'm now scumreading both heads of whitelight
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Post Post #168 (isolation #20) » Wed May 18, 2016 10:40 am

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not gonna' lie postie

my place on that readslist is pretty unjustifiably shit
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Post Post #175 (isolation #21) » Wed May 18, 2016 10:54 am

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In post 171, Ircher wrote:3. 26 by Antihero - Asks who Ranger chose as scummer - I really don't like the rolefishing Anti has decided to do. - Scum-Indicative
SHE ALREADY CLAIMED IN FULL
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Post Post #176 (isolation #22) » Wed May 18, 2016 10:54 am

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another fucking ircher game
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Post Post #184 (isolation #23) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:02 am

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hey ircher

you wanna' tell me how many scum you caught "role fishing" in mechanics upick, champ?
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Post Post #185 (isolation #24) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:03 am

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In post 17, Ranger wrote:
Antihero wrote:yeah go ahead and do that
Well, basically.

I submitted as my first pick a scummer.

I got that scummer.

Basically, I'm too good to get a role, and I love being town, but my connection to scum as a competent scum player means that I show up as one. So I don't get to deceive everyone into thinking I'm a Free Will player when I'm not (this is the part that makes me think there's a godfather); instead, I get to be a Free Will player who others will think is a willbreaker.
i read the thread
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Post Post #188 (isolation #25) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:05 am

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she already claimed her role
she just didn't claim her flavor

why does flavor matter if the role is already out there?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #26) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:07 am

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In post 17, Ranger wrote:Basically, I'm too good to get a role, and I love being town, but my connection to scum as a competent scum player means that I show up as one. So I don't get to deceive everyone into thinking I'm a Free Will player when I'm not (this is the part that makes me think there's a godfather); instead, I get to be a Free Will player who others will think is a willbreaker.
In post 17, Ranger wrote:Basically, I'm too good to get a role, .
In post 17, Ranger wrote:Basically, I'm too good to get a role, .

In post 17, Ranger wrote:Basically, I'm too good to get a role, .
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Post Post #192 (isolation #27) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:07 am

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dont try and tell me how the cow ate the cabbage on role madness

miller is not vt and plain old miller is a role you could see in role madness
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Post Post #196 (isolation #28) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:10 am

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In post 191, Postie wrote:Anti, do you have a read on Ircher? :]
no

and if i have a read i want to share, trust me, you'll know
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Post Post #198 (isolation #29) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:11 am

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oh hey titus is here. perfect.

time to open the liquor cabinet
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Post Post #213 (isolation #30) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:19 am

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bella and ari's absence troubles me
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Post Post #229 (isolation #31) » Wed May 18, 2016 11:31 am

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'kay, wake me up when ranger comes back
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Post Post #715 (isolation #32) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:18 am

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excellent work w/ the modding, flavor, and role PMs, rc.

i'm nomming this for goty when i get a chance (doubt it'll win but it deserves some recognition)
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Post Post #731 (isolation #33) » Fri May 27, 2016 2:17 pm

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it was definitely not townsided.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #34) » Fri May 27, 2016 2:18 pm

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the fact that scum got absolutely rolled and still made it to mylo alone should be sufficient testament to that.
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Post Post #734 (isolation #35) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:27 pm

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town winning does not mean it was townsided
town winning does not mean it was townsided
town winning does not mean it was townsided

say it with me, kids
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Post Post #735 (isolation #36) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:28 pm

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In post 733, Ircher wrote:Loyal Rolestopper (Potiently useful, but ended up not being so),
very useful, that meant the cop and the tracker and the jailkeeper couldn't touch whoever they targeted
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Post Post #736 (isolation #37) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:29 pm

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In post 733, Ircher wrote:Town also has a Hated Doublevoter which is super dangerous.
no

just no

1) it made town lose a day
2) double voter is not that dangerous
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Post Post #737 (isolation #38) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:34 pm

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In post 733, Ircher wrote:PR-wise, it was definitely townsided. (Your role was also pretty powerful).
my role was not "pretty powerful"

the bus driver could've significantly helped town in 1 in a million situations. that does not mean my role was "very powerful."
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Post Post #740 (isolation #39) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:40 pm

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it was pretty much a joat except i didn't know what any of the stuff did.

turns out:
1 of them told me how many scum there were (oooohhhhhhh, powerful)
1 of them let me have a 1-shot delayed version of someone else's power (came with the same baggage the originals came with, not that great)
1 of them was a bus driver
1 of them refilled shots (not sure who that's applicable to)
1 of them made everyone loved if they sang a song (couldn't use that after day 2, this really didn't have any effect on balance)
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Post Post #741 (isolation #40) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:44 pm

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In post 739, Ircher wrote:
In post 737, Antihero wrote:
In post 733, Ircher wrote:PR-wise, it was definitely townsided. (Your role was also pretty powerful).
my role was not "pretty powerful"

the bus driver could've significantly helped town in 1 in a million situations. that does not mean my role was "very powerful."
In post 738, Nahdia wrote:i honestly didn't understand ur role at all antihero. like, didn't know what i was reading.
It definitely looks powerful.
you are overestimating the power of roles

there was a miniscule change i was going to find or kill scum with my role
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Post Post #744 (isolation #41) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:52 pm

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In post 742, Ircher wrote:Effectively, RC made a 4p Scumteam in to a 2p scumteam with extra night abilities.
lolwat?

2?

how did it become 2?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #42) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:54 pm

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In post 743, Nahdia wrote:i mean, for a 8-4 is gonna need some strong town abilities. scum could have won after only two mislynches. that's pretty unforgiving. town just played well here in general.
EXACTLY

the town ev for an 9:3 (fine, i won't count the voteless) mountainous is somewhere between 10-20%.

town needs a lot of power to level the playing field.

that's why town having a lot of power does not make the game townsided.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #43) » Fri May 27, 2016 3:59 pm

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In post 746, Ircher wrote:Then I got confirmed out of 4p as scum
no, that was NOT a death sentence

it was a death sentence for YOU
because you were scummy
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Post Post #748 (isolation #44) » Fri May 27, 2016 4:19 pm

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sorry if i sound really insufferably opinionated on this

but i am

i think the problem is that people THINK the ratios we conventionally run mafia games at (1 scum to ~3 to 4 town) is approximately balanced. and, in all fairness, it's intuitive. that's our convention so the ev should be somewhere near 50/50, right?
nope.
it's not.
it's ridiculously scum-sided.

but after town wins, people grumble about it being townsided. and when this happens, mods are faced with a dilemma: make a scumsided setup or face potentially getting fussed at after the game. it creates a site meta that pressures mods to make scumsided setups and that bothers me.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #45) » Fri May 27, 2016 4:28 pm

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ev SHOULDN'T account for play

the extra day we had to earn by lynching scum. i think that's more than fair.
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