Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Dunnstral]

I will admit zach was saying fzd was town though

[Dunnstral]

Uff sorry for my absense, but stuff happens.

Mostly skimmed through recent content, will probably look more at it later, but here are my general thoughts:

Jake/tof/bins mostly confirmed as town
Dunn still is scum

Most likely scumbuddy is xyzzy - xyzzy is both independently rather scummy and works fairly well as dunn's partner. This is mostly based on D2 stuff, where most people seemed open to lynching either xyzzy or floofzakkdesmond, but dunn stuck pretty hard on fzd. I can't in good conscience support any non-dunn lynch today, but xyzzy is my number 2 scum.

While I'm not exactly getting warmfuzzies from creature, the speed at which a wagon developed in him upon his replacement, despite that slot having very little content makes me lean town. I also liked keyser's d1 stuff, so that's another point for this slot.

Tyler and tool have been pretty similar both the past two days, with the exception being that tool has some level if suspicion of tyler, while the opposite does not seem to be true. Gut feel there is that tool is more likely to be town because of that. I also like tool's d3 better.

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[Jaack]

dang the legendary trio of zakk/desmond, zach, and jake!

I wasn't commenting on their scumhunting skills. I was commenting on the fact that there was a wagon with three townies on it and no scum leapt at that opportunity. That certainly seems odd to me. Why wouldn't scum be interested in a wagon that was started by 3 townies? Especially when one of those townies (zakk) was an easy-to-lynch scapegoat.

As for 2152, you'really going to need more than a single question mark to get what you're talking about.

[Jaack]

Still want a logical explanation as to why Dunn didn't retract right away vs waiting until he was caught in a lie to retract. Anyone?

Oh, and you've still not addressed this.

[Dunnstral]

Yes I have, multiple times throughout the thread, not sure why we're talking about it once again

[Dunnstral]

As for 2152, you'really going to need more than a single question mark to get what you're talking about.

Why does it feel like you're not ok with this xyzzy lynch?

[Jake from State Farm]

Leaving for a 6 hour trip for a funeral plus holiday weekend so I'll be limited

[Zulfy]

And we will never be alone again
Cuz it doesn't happen every day
Kinda counted on you being a friend
Can I give it up or give it away

Votecount 3.07

Xyzzy (L-1)

: Bins, Tyler, Toolenduso, Dunnstral

Dunnstral (L-2)

: JFSF, Jaack, Creature

Creature

xyzzy

Not Voting

: TheOtherFiction

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-06-02 17:20:00)

[Creature]

I am here, don't prod me.

[Dunnstral]

I am here, don't prod me.

Thoughts on jaack not voting for xyzzy?

What are your scum reads?

[Jaack]

Most likely scumbuddy is xyzzy - xyzzy is both independently rather scummy and works fairly well as dunn's partner. This is mostly based on D2 stuff, where most people seemed open to lynching either xyzzy or floofzakkdesmond, but dunn stuck pretty hard on fzd.

I can't in good conscience support any non-dunn lynch today

, but xyzzy is my number 2 scum.

Literally in the post you quoted. Come on.

[Dunnstral]

^ thoughts on creature?

[Jaack]

^ thoughts on creature?

I actually just had a brainstorm related to this. Give me a second to type it up.

[Jaack]

Here is my train of thought. I'm going to work a lot in hypotheticals, but I think I've solved our dilemma to a reasonable extend.

1. I still think dunn is scum, but I recognize this is a disputed issue.

2. In the unlikely event dunn is, in fact, town, there is almost certainly scum attempting to lynch him.

3. Of the four living players to express interest in a Dunn lynch today, two (Jake and TOF) are conftown.

4. Therefore, if dunn is town, either creature or I (or both) must be scum.

5. There must be at least 1 scum in between dunn, creature, and I.

Further explination:
I find it extremely hard to believe that scum would take absolutely no interest in lynching a town player who fakeclaimed cop, particularly when the real cop is death tunneling that player.

Since we have two mislynches, we could lynch all three of dunn, creature, and I, and in the worst case scenario, we would end up in 3 player lylo, with those three players likely being tyler, tool, and xyzzy, as Jake and TOF are pretty obvious nks and bins, while technically unconfirmed, has pretty solid evidence preventing a possible lynch there.

Best case scenario is we lynch one of us three *coughdunncough* today and they flip scum.

So the question that remains is what order. I would obviously prefer that dunn be lynched today, and, should he flip town, creature tomorrow, as I personally know myself to be town. That being said, my alignment is uncorfmable, barring my own flip or should I somehow be inspected, which isn't going to happen.

From as neutral of a standpoint I can speak from, I still think dunn makes more sense to be lynched first, creature's flip would not really enlighten anyone as to my alignment and vice versa.

Also from the neutral perspective (which is to say I am pretending not to know my own alignment) it would make more sense to lynch me ahead of creature, purely due to this post. If (when) I flip town, it would be clear that I am not scum and that my plan here is town-motivated. If I were to flip scum (not gonna happen, but we're playing hypotheticals) then it would be clear that my plan here would have been scum motivated and thus should not be followed.

OK, leaving the hypotheticals, I STILL want a dunn lynch today and I would never endorse my own lynch ever, but I think my logic here is sound.

tl:dr version - there virtually has to be scum in <dunn, creaure, jaack>. If we lynch from that pool until we get scum, we will most likely win.

Okay, I have an early morning tomorrow so I am going to bed, but I will answer any and all questions should you make them available as soon as I can.

[Dunnstral]

So the maf team is just xyzzy and creature then

You should have started town telling like 800 posts ago

[Dunnstral]

creature's flip would not really enlighten anyone as to my alignment and vice versa.

Have you read tool's posts he's been saying the maf team probably isn't both you and creature so it certainly will

I'm fine with lynching either xyzzy or creature today. Still need one more vote, not sure where it's going to come from

[xyzzy]

Jaack that's really flawed logic because at #2 you say something is probably the case but then at #4 you act as if that thing *must* be the case. I'm really not a fan of that argument at all.

I'm a tiny bit tipsy right now and I'm about to sleep so if this is poorly worded that's why and I know this is a really tiny response to a lengthy thing but those are m'thoughts

[Jake from State Farm]

Jaack that's really flawed logic because at #2 you say something is probably the case but then at #4 you act as if that thing *must* be the case. I'm really not a fan of that argument at all.

I think you are nitpicking a bit. I agree that if Dunn is town (which he can't possibly be) at least one scum is pushing his lynch. That argument isn't bad at all, but I just don't think Dunn is town.

I'll add on that if Dunn is actually scum there's still a chance one person is pushing him in an attempt to distance.

[toolenduso]

Have you read tool's posts he's been saying the maf team probably isn't both you and creature so it certainly will

Yeah but I don't know that I've seen anyone else agree with me on it.

Still need one more vote, not sure where it's going to come from

I'm still holding out for TOF.

Speaking of which, TOF, look at the people voting for xyzzy right now:

Votecount 3.05

Xyzzy (L-1)

: Bins, Tyler, Toolenduso, Dunnstral[/b]

It's a good wagon.

[Bins]

It's a good wagon.

agreed

[Jake from State Farm]

Why is it a good wagon?

Nobody has answered my question either.

[toolenduso]

Why is it a good wagon?

I'm on it. Dunn's on it and I consider him basically clear. Bins is on it and I consider her basically clear. Tyler's the only question mark, and I'd still believe he's town before Creature or Jaack.

Nobody has answered my question either.

It's been answered, you just don't believe the answer.

[Dunnstral]

^^^

Why is it a good wagon?

Nobody has answered my question either.

You're just not reading posts at this point

[Jake from State Farm]

Still want a logical explanation as to why Dunn didn't retract right away vs waiting until he was caught in a lie to retract. Anyone?

I'm sorry nobody answered this one.

[Jake from State Farm]

You guys seem to have issue justifying his cc as town behavior but not the attempt to discredit me. How was that town motivated? How is it not scum motivated.

Let's play devil's advocate. What if I didn't have a result on him. What would your reaction to his actions be?

Or these 2