Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

[Dunnstral]

I'm here at night

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What do you think of my read on JarJar?

[Dunnstral]

13 rubbed me the wrong way, did not like the tone of Dunn's voice very much.

Am I allowed to disagree with this

Might be biased but 13 looks fine to me...

So reason I voted Dunn was relatively weak. 13 rubbed me the wrong way, did not like the tone of Dunn's voice very much. Also felt initially his push on Raskol was a bit forced. I'm sorta ambivalent now.

To explain the vote on JarJar, I'll quote two posts of his that made me FOS him.

Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.

Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.

This looks like setting up to me. Puts Yoshi on the back burner.

Yoshi looks a lot worse than Jar Jar right now

Gonna go ahead and say this isn't a good vote

I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME

Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?

This defense on Dunn looks really forced.

I'm not sure what this means because I'm not seeing anything
They make sense here and is questioning Zach

Holy shit guys why does it have to be 7 pages when i wake up

Ok quick read brought me to:
Zach seems to be trolling and that could be a pretty good way of hiding scum
Dunn's scumhunting feels genuine to me (for now)
Trivium has my rvs but meh he seems null so far
Raskol nulltown because he reacted pretty calmly to pressure and with his experience he would most likely have flailed if he was scum

Dont have enough info about the others to decide yet, so null
So uhh
VOTE: Zach

What does (for now) mean? Are you planning to say it's not genuine later or what

I can understand the rest of your reads but I'd say Trivium is more like null lean at this point, Feeling better about zach maybe (but he'll tunnel me all game long because I pushed him early)

Also I'm quite confident that Raskol is town

With that said I also think that inspector's vote on Zach was scummy as fuck.

Not really...

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Well to each is his own. I'm happy with my vote.

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Also about 13, it was clearly sarcastic, and sarcasm doesn't translate well over text.

[Dunnstral]

Also about 13, it was clearly sarcastic, and sarcasm doesn't translate well over text.

I don't get it

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Whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm ambivalent on you now.

[Dunnstral]

It matters to me

I don't think jar jar is a good vote

Like I can't even see a wagon forming there so it's just a wasted vote

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Well fine, I'll throw you a bone.

If you think my vote is "wasted" then who would be a better vote? Your vote right now is on Trivium and I don't feel obliged to vote for them right now. In your response to my read, you also mentioned that Yoshi was a scummier slot. Convince me that Yoshi is a better lynch than what I'm on right now.

I am willing to listen tor reason here if you genuinely feel my vote isn't good.

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: JarJar

Eh, I can't be bothered to seriously address this atm.

A fast wagon here actually has some value though

so this isn't completely terrible.

He's talking about a wagon on himself. How can there be value in a fast wagon on town on page 2? This post looks designed to let people know how pro-town he is.

I actually like dunn's aggressiveness

Again: lemme non-chalantley make sure the town knows I'm not worried about being lynched by implying that I'm totally cool w/ being pressured.

I'm not sure whether he's legitimately tunnelling

or pretending and exaggerating in order to get an emotional reaction

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Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego and

because town lying for reactions is hard to tell

apart from scum lying for malicious purposes.

These posts look like subtle attempts to convey to the town that Dunn isn't actually scumreading him.

Or even if you don't want to think about drmy you can def give your view on dunn and me at this point.

Another LAMIST post

Ironically everyone defending me for no reason is more worrying that dunn possibly confbias tunneling here.

So now he's worried about the people defending him. Even though he voted DRMY for jumping on him. So I guess it's scummy to vote for Rask and it's scummy to defend him?

Towny post - I don't agree with the conclusion (that raskol is mafia) but the points brought up are all valid scum hunting

Maybe you can explain to me why town zach votes me in that scenario

Bad read?

I'm not exactly townreading Zach. But I don't think Zach and Rask can be scumbuddies and I think Rask is scum.

Also a towny post - good pre-flip association that on the surface I'd agree with

Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.

Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.

I'd say null post here


Overall leaning town on Jar Jar from their entrance

Spoiler: Blue Yoshi

If RVS is over why should I RVS them
Explain to me what I'm doing

Why so afraid to pressure Raskol? - The tone of this post is bad too

Is it okay for me not to sheep you if I don't agree with you?
Because I think you might be going way too hard when not only has not everyone reacted to this wagon yet, but only half of the players have even posted in the thread.

I guess mathematically there's probably at least 1 mafia in the thread so far, but, well...

Bad post again, not taking a stance on anything, looks like reaching for town cred by not agreeing with Raskol scum (no reasoning other than "I don't agree with you")

Uses a "Not everyone has reacted/posted" defense which is a bad defense (why is he defending Raskol...?) imo as we had 2 votes on raskol out of 7 needed to lynch

White knight came out too early and without reason

Mathematics line is silly but null

Spoiler: Trivium

Well that first and second page made a hell of a lot of sense, yes it did.

I don't like this post. No reasoning here I just don't like it

I wouldn't be implying anything if I said what I was implying, now would I?

Eh, I think I actually am weird in how emotionally detached I play. No normal person would have actually townread dunn in my position and tried to objectively look at the people NOT voting or being nice.

I am somewhat serious in that I genuinely don't care if I were to get mislynched in a day 1 speedwagon because I wouldn't consider it my fault at all, and it'd probably do me a favour rather than playing with than a playerlist that would do that.

LAMIST is either BS or pretty poor analysis because as far as I know you can call anything that looks town LAMIST and say it's scummy for that.

*I play differently than most people that's why you think I'm maf
*I don't care if I'm lynched day 1 (because I'm town and don't care about these things) And you guys would be dumb to do it.

Dumb arguments/reachy

VOTE: Raskolinov

Very bad case on Raskol to make the popular vote (though I had unvoted already at this point)

I just read Raskolnikov's interests bit on his profile. I'm not quite sure what to think now. Again. Every single game is like this, why does every single game have to be like this.

OK this is kind of towny

Ooooh parallel structure responses.


So intense.

Just posting on the sidelines - not contributing - and honestly I just don't like it again (this is where I vote him)

VOTE: Dunnstral

Sick vote

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I regret clicking the spoiler buttons because I was somewhat convinced you were at least gonna make me think about changing.

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Meanwhile the case against him:

Spoiler:

So reason I voted Dunn was relatively weak. 13 rubbed me the wrong way, did not like the tone of Dunn's voice very much. Also felt initially his push on Raskol was a bit forced. I'm sorta ambivalent now.

To explain the vote on JarJar, I'll quote two posts of his that made me FOS him.

Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.

Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.

This looks like setting up to me. Puts Yoshi on the back burner.

I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME

Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?

This defense on Dunn looks really forced.

With that said I also think that inspector's vote on Zach was scummy as fuck.

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Well to each is his own. I'm happy with my vote.

[inspectorscout]

No dunn, i just hate saying something that is proven wrong afterwards so i added the (for now). You are right though, it was obsolete
Also your last post seems pretty okay, you are convinving me of town
And like trancend said, trivium seems a wasted vote, but so is jar jar - but, we still have 12 days to find stuff, no? Where i played mafia before, it was 'only' 7 days and yah, thats fast d1 and d2.
Btw, have you guys been thinking about the setup? 10-3 seems pretty town sided unless scum gets some kind of advantage, so im wondering what it is +theme: friday 13 must involve some bad luck, but in what way

[Dunnstral]

We have 13 days 10 hours right now

10-3 is really normal from what I've seen on this site so I don't think scum gets an advantage

I don't think my vote on trivium is wasted as he's been scum telling so far and I'm thinking that's going to change. Hoping to get 6 more votes

Meanwhile Jar towntelling

I guess I can see where you're coming from though but don't worry, town will follow me once trivium starts posting

[Dunnstral]

Also it's a normal game so nothing crazy

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What if, I said Trivium was towntelling and didn't want to vote them. Hell, you yourself said that Trivium made a towntell.

[Dunnstral]

Guess it's too early to try to talk about reads in depth then

Unless you want my read on Raskol being town because I can go in depth there

[Dunnstral]

inspectorscout have you played on another site before?

You saying 10-3 town sided makes me THINK epicmafia as I had a similar reaction

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Guess it's too early to try to talk about reads in depth then

Unless you want my read on Raskol being town because I can go in depth there

More or less I agree on that department. However, I'd love to agree with you about scum as opposed to town. Right now, we're compleptely opposites. And that's to be expected. We're all not gonna play the same linear game and acquire the same linear reads. Your sr's are Blue Yoshi and Trivium. My only real fos is Jar Jar. You tr my fos, I tr your fos. And your other fos, I entirely null read, I made nothing of their posts. You're probably right, there's not enough content to correctly formulate accurate reads this early.

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But hey, putting a vote up on something that catches your attention is a good place to start, IMO.

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Also about the discussion about the whole 10-3 thing, I think it's inevitable there's at least one scum PR. The setups on this website are usually balanced with distribution of town and mafia pr's. I don't think town or scum would receive an advantage over the other.

[Dunnstral]

Hey it really sounds like you care about my Raskol read, I'll get right on that

I owe Zach a medium-large sized post anyways

[Dunnstral]

The reason I said epicmafia is because the games are like 5 town 2 mafia and it starts at night

[inspectorscout]

Yeah i played on others sites too, but not on epicmafia, on the osu forums lol

Also guys as much as you suspect people, trancend is right on this: even after this many posts nobody did stuff that screams ''I am scum!'' And there are still quite some ppl that didnt post yet, or posted just few things. Its all right to point and put pressure (and you should, if you dont, you are kinda scummy) but its not the right moment to try and start wagons or smth yet

And with this in mind ill keep my vote on the memer, id love to hear what he has to say