OK. Considering that and a scum game of yours, my thought was that if town you'd be overly defensive and OMGUSsy. Through 125 you read to your scum meta. 126 and 130 were more townie, but still not strong. 134 and 139 make sense.In post 145, Sickofit1138 wrote:You know.
Is it all of them on the wagon, or just one?*In post 141, ShadyHood wrote:All I see here is a scumteam(all of them)trying to take advantage of someone's minor mistake and making it look like a big commotion.
Look at Sick's wagon, there is certainly one scum hopping on that ride.
NSS, you have to go on weak reasons at the beginning of the game.*My best scumreads are everyone from that wagon, with Persivul and Saru being my strongest reads.
The wagon is driven by a reason that Sick contradicted himself. It doesn't look right when the town voted up someone for such a merely weak reason.
* The above are rhetorical. It's doubtful 14-yo newbie scum is going to come in this aggressively. Shady is likely town.Join me with this one, the rest of you all willing to get a good win,VOTE: Persivul
Yes, and who wouldn't want their alignment indicated?In post 143, Mizzytastic wrote: Lurking is NAI unless you have meta on a person to say otherwise.?
I think he has phrased something that sounds like he knows you are town. I think that is scummmier than what you have done. I want to prod it and see his response.In post 148, Sickofit1138 wrote:Who wait are you insisting he is scum and knows I'm town?In post 146, Mizzytastic wrote:The logic in the second line sounds to me like you know sick is town. Why can't it be all town voting for scum?In post 141, ShadyHood wrote:All I see here is a scumteam(all of them)trying to take advantage of someone's minor mistake and making it look like a big commotion.
Look at Sick's wagon, there is certainly one scum hopping on that ride.
My best scumreads are everyone from that wagon, with Persivul and Saru being my strongest reads.
The wagon is driven by a reason that Sick contradicted himself. It doesn't look right when the town voted up someone for such a merely weak reason.
Join me with this one, the rest of you all willing to get a good win,VOTE: Persivul
You agree it is not alignment indicative, but then use it to imply that someone is scum. That does not follow.In post 153, karnos wrote:Yes, and who wouldn't want their alignment indicated?In post 143, Mizzytastic wrote: Lurking is NAI unless you have meta on a person to say otherwise.?
In general, I don't put a lot of trust in day 1 reads. Yes, I do have a couple players noted in the back of my mind as acting a bit suspicious, but I think they are already getting enough pressure and my vote isn't needed. So I'd rather get some discussion going among the less active players and see how they act and react before even thinking about who the first real lynch should be.
I tend to be a fairly active player when I'm not sleeping. Yesterday was an unusual day for me, so I was feeling a bit paranoid knowing I wouldn't be able to be actively posting. Maybe that paranoia made me come across as scummy.
Why?In post 140, Sickofit1138 wrote:I like where karnos is at in this game. Null-town.
I have a pitch: get over yourself. You're not helping town by forcing yourself to be the center of attention. You should know that.In post 152, Sickofit1138 wrote:I have a pitch.
We lynch persivul today: here's why:
If I am lynche today and flip town, persivul can weasel his way ou of a lynch tomorrow.
If Percy is lynche today and flips town, I won't be able to work my way out of tomorrows lynch.
I think everyone is picking a side in this argument, I think we will all agree this is not a TvT.
he's not hurting town either though. If anyone is hurting town atm it's the people who is making a mountain out of a molehill.In post 160, Persivul wrote:You're not helping town by forcing yourself to be the center of attention. You should know that.
The above sounds like madness. It's way too soon to narrow down the lynch to two names.Sickofit1138 wrote:I have a pitch.
We lynch persivul today: here's why:
If I am lynche today and flip town, persivul can weasel his way ou of a lynch tomorrow.
If Percy is lynche today and flips town, I won't be able to work my way out of tomorrows lynch.
I think everyone is picking a side in this argument, I think we will all agree this is not a TvT.
Lynch persivul today.
If he flips town:
If there is a jail keeper, jail me and kill me if you chose.
If there is cop, cop me.
If neither, I am a viable lynch tommorrow.
If he flips scum:
Then we get a d1 scum lynch. Youre welcome.
If you decide to lynch me today:
You Better lynch Percy tommorrow.
I don't think a singular vote means "hey, this player is scum!". I think it's more like a prod that players can use. Of course, discussing it in the open like this makes it lose value as a pressuring tool.In post 156, Mizzytastic wrote: You agree it is not alignment indicative, but then use it to imply that someone is scum. That does not follow.
Yes, trying to force a 1v1 early on D1 hurts town.In post 162, Chumba wrote: he's not hurting town either though.
People push to sort. For me, the issue wasn't his contradiction, it was how he would react to it. But, I couldn't say that at the time, as it would affect his reaction.If anyone is hurting town atm it's the people who is making a mountain out of a molehill.
did you address your own contradiction yet? I haven't seen it if you did.
As you note, it's a meta read based on my experience with him and a review of a completed scum game of his. It probably is meh to you. Unless you begin to push him, I don't have need to support it further.In post 163, Chumba wrote:I am also confused how you did a 180 on sick, your reasoning doesn't really make sense to me and using meta and what i assume is an ongoing game are both kind of meh.
not planning on pushing him and didn't ask you to support it. i find it weird that you felt the need to defend yourself there.In post 168, Persivul wrote:As you note, it's a meta read based on my experience with him and a review of a completed scum game of his. It probably is meh to you. Unless you begin to push him, I don't have need to support it further.In post 163, Chumba wrote:I am also confused how you did a 180 on sick, your reasoning doesn't really make sense to me and using meta and what i assume is an ongoing game are both kind of meh.
That is about exactly what I didn't want to see. Nothing useful. Luckily for you, Mizzytastic is defending this style of play.In post 166, Dierfire wrote:Mobile post: sorry, connectivity issues, back within 24 hours!
Incorrect. A handful of posts matching meta from a single scum game is enough to create suspicion, but not a full scum read.In post 169, Chumba wrote:post 150 actually kind of supports my non belief actually. The fact that you say his posts up until post 125 match his scum meta means that up until that post you were honestly scum reading him.
Your RVS vote.still not changing my vote off kappy
Does it concern you that I'm voting Kappy now?but I fully support a persivul lynch atm
1. no that post plus your push on him clearly implies to me you were scum reading. You want to deny it fine, but I don't believe youIn post 172, Persivul wrote:Incorrect. A handful of posts matching meta from a single scum game is enough to create suspicion, but not a full scum read.In post 169, Chumba wrote:post 150 actually kind of supports my non belief actually. The fact that you say his posts up until post 125 match his scum meta means that up until that post you were honestly scum reading him.Your RVS vote.still not changing my vote off kappyDoes it concern you that I'm voting Kappy now?but I fully support a persivul lynch atm
Are you denying that people push null reads in order to sort them? If not, do you have meta on me to support your inference?In post 173, Chumba wrote:no that post plus your push on him clearly implies to me you were scum reading.
