Till you realize it's absolutely glorious to be the only tank in a game. Just go completely full tank, your base damages are significant vs people who buy full offensive. And then they have to deal with you or get out of your way, and there is nothing that can deal with you because they cannot stand long enough next to you to kill you because your teammates will wreck them. So they have to "focus the carries", but have no dedicated engage, while your team has peel (which is you, the god of the rift). Everybody in silver can group up and push mid (I mean, it's that or baron...) and you can hardly lose that fight.In post 134, Randomnamechange wrote:Jokes on you, no one plays tanks in silver because they think the are going to carry the game.
Mate, you go find a champion where the winrate with 50 games jumps a full 7% above people who start playing it. And I know that there aren't that many people playing her, you can see it by the curve, but that is bouncing around 50%. It's fine. Some champs are just above, some just below that winrate.
oh no, I wouldn't. He'sIn post 513, Gendaberry wrote:Can someone teach Dwlee how to jungle.
I don't hate teemo.In post 927, zoraster wrote:For champions that I've played more than 5 times, my highest ranked win rate is currently on Teemo. So now two of my champions that myko hates are my highest win rate champions.
neither do your opponents :/In post 939, zoraster wrote:That's because you don't spend a jail sentence of 20 to life in her Q.In post 936, mykonian wrote:(as I experience it).
I know, it was just normals. Some with silvers, some with plats, some with golds. It doesn't matter, you always get one or two who cannot work in a team.In post 1544, Ankamius wrote:Don't worry, plat isn't much better.
I have a history of not being able to deal with him, I've been comfortably gold for ages, and this season much of that was spent in toplane. You'd be surprised.In post 1554, Randomnamechange wrote:tbh he isn't that great at this ELO. In bronze sure, but people tend to be able to deal with him here.
You play for 4 hours at least, with a board that has too many pieces, too many rules, too many things to take care of, to then win or lose based on what cards get shuffled on top and what the dice roll.In post 1605, zoraster wrote:For example, Battlestar Gallactica is arguably the best game of its genre I've played.
oh, why haven't we complained about this yet. We aren't doing our job!
This is the general thing, the specific questions become then:In post 1981, RayFrost wrote:ADC positioning is "where can I stand that lets me shoot things without being at high risk of dying because I'm in that location?"
I'd love to hear your arguments for this one. Like given you include jungle, I don't imagine you are talking mechanics, but choice. Now jungle I'd agree on with you, but after that mid and support seem to have bigger choice trees than ADC to me. Now you would have a lot of depth in your choice as ADC, given you played that role for ages, but I can't see it atm.In post 2180, Ankamius wrote:The two highest skill cap roles in the game is jungle and ADC.In post 2178, mykonian wrote:At some point I did the exact opposite. ADC's get it to so easy. Get farmed, group up, don't die, if you live, shoot towers. Follow someone around the map. In stead of getting fed by your support/jungler, then trying to outplay whoever 1v2, dying, and blaming peel wasn't happening, or pushing some sidelane for that next item. Don't think, you've got teammates for that.
I can extend this. I'm currently on a smurf with hybrid pen/regen/cdr rune support shaco and unless I'm playing with a vayne main who tend to tilt the moment champ select ends, laning phase ranges from fine to winning, mid/late game opposing supports seem to be lost at what to do. My main there is gold 5, on trick pony shaco support with silly runes smurf is silver 1 and climbing.In post 2192, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:I've come to the conclusion that as support, it doesn't fucking matter what you play in gold. I have a 100% winrate on warwick support because people are stupid
I get this. I mean, from my point of view the thing I picked up last and even then got wrong when I was solidly focussing on it was when I could let my adc go and when I really needed to be there. Still don't think I get that 100% right. But the latter part is on the team, I think. If the side is dark but that's where the farm is, you have to help your adc out, he has to have places where he can shoot things. But mostly, stupid simple stuff, if mid is winning and you aren't, the moment towers drop get him in the long lane and get your adc in the center where the jungler and support get to look after him, while the fed mid carry gets to play and extend his lead in a lane where that's much easier. But you have to enable your adc to do this for you, yes.In post 2191, Ankamius wrote:Being able to keep up in farm and still be around for the majority of the fights going on in the midgame and beyond is a skill that's very difficult to get to as well, but it's one that gets easier over time as people start to understand how to play the map and maximize the amount of minions the team is killing as a whole. I have had plenty of games where I lose bot lane and mid/top both snowball, but I still struggle to ever get any farm solely because I can't ever get to any minions waves before the other laners do, or the only minions that are available are being escorted by 2-3 enemy champions, or the support is on the other side of the map and my side of the map is completely dark, or several other things. The worst games are those where the mid/top laner eventually fall off and I'm too far behind to pick up the slack because I haven't been able to farm.
Well none of us is disagreeing that ADC is the high value target. The adc that gets to live through a teamfight, whether won or lost, is by waveclear and threat to objectives still important. Be the "worse" adc, win the teamfight, but die yourself and your team is getting nowhere. ADC's do in the end matter more to winning or losing the game, that's why they are carries, decisions they make are necessarily going to have a bigger impact.In post 2201, zoraster wrote:Sure? I don't see that as contradicting my point, which is that ADC is a high skill position so long as you view skill as your ability to make the most positive impact on your team's chances for success AS COMPARED to the replacement level player you're compared to.
You can say that "oh, people at high levels help their ADC more" and I agree. But if challenger games feature this, they do so on BOTH sides of the game. Which still leaves you in a position where the best players will rise.
Made gold with this. Who wants a shaco support guide?In post 2194, mykonian wrote:I can extend this. I'm currently on a smurf with hybrid pen/regen/cdr rune support shaco and unless I'm playing with a vayne main who tend to tilt the moment champ select ends, laning phase ranges from fine to winning, mid/late game opposing supports seem to be lost at what to do. My main there is gold 5, one trick pony shaco support with silly runes smurf is silver 1 and climbing.In post 2192, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:I've come to the conclusion that as support, it doesn't fucking matter what you play in gold. I have a 100% winrate on warwick support because people are stupid
To a point it doesn't matter what you play, what your runes and masteries are, basics carry you quite far.
Well, you can't kite. Neither can I. There's this wonderful command called "attack-move", which when alternated with moving normally could help you position during the fight much more easily and avoid silly deaths by walking on top of your assaillant. Many years of lol and several attempts have not managed to get that in my fingers, then again, I don't see all that many opponents use it. If you are serious about adc'ing though, that's probably something you want to pick up.In post 2224, Randomnamechange wrote:adc teamfighting at low levels is fairly hard. at silver people have figured out how to focus the adc but not to protect them. You basically have to do nothing but kite until someone ccs their divers ehich is usually 4 or 5 seconds.
Also you've played the role for years and see different opportunities/obstacles for it. Most of the rest of us haven't gone that deep into being an adc.In post 2244, Ankamius wrote:To be fair, I complained about the role being frustrating mainly because my champion has been a dumpster for a couple months now.
eh, no.In post 2318, Nosferatu wrote:It seems infinitely more likely that players who win more don't need to yell at team mates because less stupid mistakes are made higher up the ladder, and plus people who are good at the game probably just carry and don't really care about their teammates.
