New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Titus]

Drunk Titus here.

I hate RVS.

VOTE: Wake88

Heal me with your medical training or you're scum. :-p

[Titus]

Yeah uh

Next person to ignore my post 8 by not voting podo or me is getting voted, fair warning

Interesting, why are you pushing the Podo wagon and not joining the Wake one?

[Titus]

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

Dunn is town based on ihhcihihciydkhckhdohhc rules.

[Titus]

Who said anything about speed murdering him?

[Titus]

Walk on the moon with me. Dunn is town.

[Titus]

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I find this pretty scummy considering he hasn't even posted, so he has not contributed to the group dynamic.

Then vote me.

For someone who was thrilled about joining and recruited a few of us, why hasn't he posted? Why has there been so much defense of him (chainsaws, painting as a quicklynch)?

[Titus]

Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

[Titus]

Drunk doesn't mean completely out of control.

Sorry about the knee surgery.

Why does your bullet list feel like a checklist?

[Titus]

My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

Why would you consider voting

with me?

You're currently voting me, which means you're scumreading me no? If you think that my case might be sheepable, but for my alignment, why wouldn't you highlight what you agree with and see if it's right? Why take the hostile approach and chainsaw it? Doubly so given I don't have an obvtown gene and you know this.

[Titus]

You're currently voting me, which means you're scumreading me no?

Not necessarily.

Why are you interrupting my dialogue with Almost?

[Titus]

You're currently voting me, which means you're scumreading me no?

Not necessarily.

Why are you interrupting my dialogue with Almost?

Why are you A) not being logically accurate and B) not responding to my valid point.

I am, and what "valid" point?

[Titus]

Why are you interrupting me Wake?

Almost, do you have any reads now?

[Titus]

Why are you interrupting me Wake?

Almost, do you have any reads now?

This isn't a 19-man face-to-face conversation. It's a message-board thread.

Please don't avoid my questions Titus. It's making me feel uncomfortable about your alignment.

1)

You said that someone voting you means that person is scumreading you.

2)

I say that's not necessarily true, because it isn't.

3)

Instead of responding to my point you ask me why I'm interrupting you.

4)

Me: Like why are you not being logically and why are you avoiding the point. Please respond to my points Titus.

Yeah, a vote at this point is a scumread from someone actively following along, or it's someone who has no desire to sort the thread, which is a scumclaim. Your vote says "I want this person removed from the game".

You're being semantic and interrupting my questioning trying to sort Almost and trying to play semantic games while interpreting someone else's read rather than letting them speak for themselves.

[Titus]

Almost50, do you see that Titus is avoiding my point against her?

More people need to be aware of this.

I don't know how well you know Titus' play, but she does act stubborn at times. It's NAI of her. I'm looking for a couple of other things to get a better read on her though, so bear with me while I try to figure her out. (I do mean it when I say she's stubborn. She may even deliberately try to make herself hard to read for me just to prove me wrong if she though I was bragging I can read her or so. I've seen her get mod-killed on D1 along with RC bc BOTH were so stubborn to let go of a previous incident in a previous game. Oh, and both were town on that game if it matters at all).

I was modkilled. I didn't get modkilled. RC was using outside sources that were unattainable, and that was determined to be cheating. I was modkilled because modkilling RC without modkilling me would have framed me as scum and caused the town to burn a mislynch.

[Titus]

Is NAI not alignment indicative?

Yes.

[Titus]

@Titus:

LOL. When was the last time you saw me following "logic" as you would expect it to be?? You've played with me more than anyone else in this game, so you should know better.

Need I remind you of me fake-claiming, then outright hard-claiming AND speculating about the setup (correctly) early on D1?? Where was "logic" in my play in that game?? Yet, if only the town listened to me early enough we might've won it still!!

So you're bragging about absolutely confusing the crap out of people for no reason?

Your play that game made it so easy to pocket you.

If you're town here, you need to stop and think.

[Titus]

@Wake, Because you're incapable of drawing basic conclusions from the functions of votes doesn't mean that the rest of us can't. The only exception(s) to a vote = a scumread are 1) RVS (which we're out of) or 2) a policy lynch [which is akin to saying I don't

know

that person is scum but they are infinitely pro scum. Using a vote for reactions still means the person wants that player, at any given time, dead more than any other player.

Rather than being semantic and checkboxing, do you have anything productive to do?

@Almost, Yeah, I can be stubborn. I'm governed by the information and situation in front of me. I'm very much so not into how it makes people "feel". I'm playing for my team to win without damaging people. Either you're playing pro-town, or pro-scum.

@all, Consider me voting either Wake or Almost, whichever has more votes.

[Titus]

I'd appreciate a few votes headed this way ^ or onto sickofit

There's too many scumreads here. I've got townreads on you and implosion, but I'm wanting things to shake out with everyone else. Not certain if you're right or wrong there. Not a bad wagon but I'm preferring Wake/Almost.

[Titus]

Dunnstral is clearly wrong. As is IMPLOSION

I'd prefer an Airick10 wagon to sickofit

Why?

[Titus]

VOTE: Zach

Welcome to the townreads Nos.

[Titus]

Well, V/LA is the perfect " NOT GET LYNCHED" card.

It's also y'know the thing people do when they're on vacation or have limited access.

got drunk yesterday and spent morning in police station.
they should play some mafia - interrogatory skills were cringeworthy bad.
fyi: wasn't a defendant - witness of drunken driving

don't feel like "celebrating" much anymore so i'm less V/LA than planned

rejoice!

Wait, they actually bothered to interview a witness for DUI?

[Titus]

Hmmm interesting wagon states

[Titus]

I got Macho role modifier

I love this gambit. Me too.

[Titus]

VOTE: Zach

For emphasis.

Lamisty post definition.

[Titus]

P.s. If you're going to go hand written notes, actually write them.

[Titus]

Dude you sat at a paint program and weren't smart enough to use the type button.

That's Lamisty and a trick from my playbook...3 years ago.

[Titus]

@Zach, Nope but what you're doing is.

[Titus]

Handwritten notes
Confirmation I was scum

[Titus]

You write like a WWII Marine at Wake Island writing home or someone that wears a monocle, by the way. Another reason you're scum.



I rep for all my non-motor functioning shaky hand arthritis panic attack writing hasn't improved since kindergarten boyz.

Yeah, bite me. Handwriting is NAI.

You're engaging in Lamisty posting. We all know that's why you did it (after all typing is easier).

So you're desperate to look town.

I am going to actually BE town.

@Implision, Sorry being town isn't all about rainbows.sometimes, Oscar is town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Zach

For emphasis.

Lamisty post definition.

Tits, i think i don't like you anymore.
+ when compared to other games, you are dead silent

Really? I am dead silent?

Like fuck, intelligence is dead.

[Titus]

" Handwriting is NAI "

Yeah, no shit. Did you, Wake and Dunnstral study criminology together? LMFAOO

Man, if you were scumhunting when the Zodiac Killer was active we would have caught him in no time.

Grr, now you insult my job. I actually am I lawyer and I studied criminology in college.

[Titus]

I have no desire to look town because nothing you say or I do will change the fact that I am town.

You don't HAVE to look town, you just have to not get lynched to win.

You're only rushing to discredit me so people don't put much faith into a scum!You.

Really, then why bother with the handwriting stunt at all? You could have typed your reads. For a lazy person you sure did a lot of work for...trying not to look town.

People don't put faith in a scum me, they act out of illogical scum me fears.

[Titus]

" Handwriting is NAI "

Yeah, no shit. Did you, Wake and Dunnstral study criminology together? LMFAOO

Man, if you were scumhunting when the Zodiac Killer was active we would have caught him in no time.

Grr, now you insult my job. I actually am I lawyer and I studied criminology in college.

Prosecutor?

Defense.

If I was a prosecutor, people would see you for what you are.

[Titus]

You could... comment on something useful like the train on you, instead of responding to a random filler statement.

I did.

Intelligence is dead.

The wagon on me is not useful beyond further shattering my faith that town use any semblence of reason.

[Titus]

So, you're telling me I should ignore the guy who scumclaimed because me telling you that you're wrong feels bad?

Why don't you just tell me the townies it's ok to push and he range of acceptable feelings while doing it?

Since when should the majority get to veto my reads because Zach makes a lamisty post you buy?

[Titus]

I don't trust the ability to read the game of anyone voting for me. Why should I?

The mere act of voting me is indicative of not reading the game correctly.

[Titus]

*throws hands up*

This new crop doesn't even understand basic terms like AtE.

Appeal to emotion requires an appeal. I'm being emotional but my appeal is based in facts.

Zach's not even coherent as to why he made that post.

[Titus]

I don't think it's lamist. For either alignment honestly. It reads NAI.

Pedit: like i said. Your whiny attitude will not remove the votes from you. Same thing with insulting people's intelligence. Maybe if you shapened up, and perhaps made legitimate posts that aren't off of NAI factors, people would deem you credible.

See you already decided I wasn't credible because I disagreed with you and passionate disagreement is scummy.

You decided lying about why e posted paint pictures to appear town is NAI and voted me for calling it a scumclaim and then naturally viewing you as a weak player for being thin skinned.

[Titus]

Titus is town guys

Thank you. I'd say why but you know...

[Titus]

Zach's not even coherent as to why he made that post.

Cause I felt like it?

And I wasn't trying not to look town, I wasn't trying to look anything.

Also Zach I.... saw that

I poured my heart into it.

Right, people just take 15 minutes out of their day to draw paint pictures for no reason.

You did it to look town.

I don't care who says it's unreasonable. Catching scum isn't unreasonable.

[Titus]

Look Titus, we're all not gonna have the same linear reads and same linear opinions, otherwise this game would not be boring.

I feel like my reads compared to Shannon's were very different.
I feel the same way about you.

The difference between you two is that i town read Shannon because i think she's just misguided and she tried to reason with me by asking which ones i thought were wrong.

You, on the other hand, when someone doesn't agree with you, have a little temper tantrum, deliberately berate others, and don't listen to reason.

You call being told that I am unreasonable and that I have to focus on other reads because you're a king of the thread a tempertantrum?

Or wagoning for it?

That's not rational and don't pretend it is.

[Titus]

@titus, who's the townbeard here?

My entire wagon but for Zach and maybe Podo

[Titus]

It is the job of good scum to make town feel bad about lynching them as they're going down, almost akin to a townie defending themselves.

And it's the job of good scum to paint me as being unreasonable when you did nothing but jump on town credit things.

You tried to imply Lapsa was scum ffs.

[Titus]

Anyways i ain't unvoting this slot unless these two things happen

1. Attitude change

2. Provides better reads that don't look fabricated.

You don't get to dictate how I feel.

I am not going to townread Zach because you tell me to.

You're actually going to have to play the game.

[Titus]

It is the job of good scum to make town feel bad about lynching them as they're going down, almost akin to a townie defending themselves.

And it's the job of good scum to paint me as being unreasonable when you did nothing but jump on town credit things.

You tried to imply Lapsa was scum ffs.

wat r u talm bout if i wanted to say lapsa was scum i wouldnt IMPLY it and he would have appeared RED on my SCUM LIST

You implied he lied about being able to be healed by claiming you were the only macho.

[Titus]

I'll take what angle I have to get you to stop lying and lamisting and doubt casting town.

Yeah, either you implied it or you didn't and here you did.

There's plenty of reasons to claim macho (like I said favorite gambit), but you jumped right to everyone is lying.

[Titus]

Well you took out half of it.

I have zero faith in town. You have to force the rest of town to think with brains instead of feels.

@Zach, Oh now your posts are jokes...hnph. Yeah we'll go with the joke defense. That has about a 75% likelihood of being scum (but it failed when a noob used it sooo).

You want to do something productive, stop whining about my scumread, doubtcadting town and do it.

[Titus]

I don't need to. You catch scum. You lynch scum.

People are upset with me for questioning you and being emotional.

I will find other scum by pushing to get you lynched.

[Titus]

Well you took out half of it.

if townbeards are scumfooled town and entire wagon consists of them - then there's no scum

half of what, out of where?

I am saying my wagon is Derp town but for Zach and maybe podoq.

Transcend seems proud of his incorrect reads and you're obvtown frustrated that I don't agree with you and don't want to think a townread of yours claimed scum.

[Titus]

You're not going to patronize me and shake my confidence. If you are town, the worst thing you can do in this situation is continue to tunnel me. But I guess you have to find out the hard way.

The best thing I can do is tunnel you as town until you do something other than whine about being caught and do something that's not a "joke" or trying to act townie.

[Titus]

I don't need to. You catch scum. You lynch scum.

People are upset with me for questioning you and being emotional.

I will find other scum by pushing to get you lynched.

That would imply I'm not scum or that my hypothetical " scumpartners " will come to my aid.




Well, I tried to help you but I guess you can just do your own thing.

Yes. That's a correct implication.

Now who is patronizing. Even you transparently think I'm town here in this post.

[Titus]

Remember how Dwlee got did in Borderlands Mafia? That's what you're doing to me right now.

Don't feel bad about it, everyone's gotta be wrong sometimes.

You're not going to patronize me and shake my confidence. If you are town, the worst thing you can do in this situation is continue to tunnel me. But I guess you have to find out the hard way.

The best thing I can do is tunnel you as town until you do something other than whine about being caught and do something that's not a "joke" or trying to act townie.

HAHAHAH have fun with that

Yeah, and you're voting obvtown in that setup.

I also recognize borderlands. I was there. You weren't unless this is an alt to seem newer than you are.

[Titus]

Yes I do.

Dwlee was obvtown in borderlands but no one liked him. I fought HARD against that lynch. You calling me Dwlee is an admission you know I am town.

[Titus]

The apt analogy = Dwlee:Titus as Titus:Dunn

[Titus]

Yeah now you're trying to paint yourself as town no one likes.

Call me when you're ready to lynch this or take me out.

A town that let's this live will believe any lie and deserves to lose.

VLA 3days

[Titus]

Oh and to be clear,

that is

not

a real world VLA but I'll say something immensely stupid and overflood the thread VLA.

@Lapsa, what forces me to think Zach claimed scum? He did... like what type of word salad is this?

[Titus]

@Dunn, I am starting to think Agar and or Transcend is scum with Zach and maybe Sick.

AGar recycled every point alleged by others that my posts are hollow (read: I buy Zach's bullshit), don't attach Zack, we don't give a shift about lamisty. AGar more than anyone is familiar with my scumgame (hint: it's asskissing), but he acts like he's forgotten.

Transcend meanwhile ignores Agar feeding his own bullshit back to him and Shannon's shit vote to say he loves the bandwagon and hates the other one just buy picking names. Transcend, if town, basically just townreads people who kiss his ass with zero deeper thought.

Shannon's naked vote was bad.

[Titus]

Oh a retaliatory wagon on Mirhawk for seeing what I see.

Transcend, what you're claiming is flail is righteous indignation.

[Titus]

Transc bruh u fuckin up right now Titus needs 2 die or stop wagoning me

Makes sense I guess. I was wondering if it was some kind of point system (person has done x scummy things) or something like that.

I'm legit caught up now.

Unvote
Vote: Zach

His reads feel faked to me, both the list he presented and the way he interacts with them.

I'm also not a fan on Transcend. Sick's getting a pass for now as they've pretty much dropped off the radar.

Lol those numbers are very crucial. Very crucial



What point does it serve AGar to " forget" about Titus' scumgame? Sounds like bullshit.

Scum jumping on a mislynch to possibly protect a buddy
Town scared of doing nothing
Town that has caught the stunted mental thought disease

Much more likely the first

[Titus]

It would help if you avoided rank hypocrisy Zach. You want me to unvote you because it won't go anywhere but Lapsa unvoted me for the same reason, you object.

[Titus]

@Zach, You asked this about Agar, I am turning back to you. What scum motivation is there to "back myself into a corner" that isn't there?

P.S. I am considering the possibility of you town but at least you have to stop being a hypocrite and only analyzing those who disagree with you.

[Titus]

Varsoon, *bats eyelashes* that's a bad vote. Don't make me cry Varsoona.

@Zach, I jump on you AFTER your wagon falls apart because you're an easy mislynch... Yes that's consistent (it's not). You've decided I am scum because I scumread you and you're filling in the reasons later.

[Titus]

Something we actually agree on Zach. Dunn can drive me up the wall at points. He acknowledged this and reached out to me early on.

And yes, but I don't consider that bad. I do what needs to be done for who I perceive to be on my side, in life and mafia.

Me. My bad.

[Titus]

Last paragraph was at Varsoon saying I chainsaw on behalf of my perceived allies.

[Titus]

Titus likes his hydras.

I don't recall ever playing with you.

It's also her BTW.

[Titus]

Hey Laspa, can you do a reads list?

[Titus]

Lapsa votes me the moment I ask for his reads...wtf?

[Titus]

Town:Dunn
Boem
Mirhawk

Weak lean town
Lapsa (the anger is uncharacteristic of him)
Varsoon
Implosion

Weak scum
Wake
Transcend
Shannon

Scum
Sick
Zach
Agar

[Titus]

I understand prejudice against people who are on your wagon when you are town because it's

natural

, but Agar scumread is weird to me because I actually liked his 561.

Sick and Zach scumreads are understandable.

Show me something in 561, not already said by someone else.

[Titus]

He's an RC alt

Not a chance. RC frankly would never be as dumb as Zach is this game, regardless of his alignment. Plus RC would never lamist.

[Titus]

He's an RC alt

Not a chance. RC frankly would never be as dumb as Zach is this game, regardless of his alignment. Plus RC would never lamist.

Remember those joke things we were talking about?

?

[Titus]

I can hear them howling

Yes, I see round about what you're getting at. We should discuss that more mason buddy but do be carefully.

[Titus]

Titus are you serious why

Wasn't going to let you get lynched

I never read you as town varsoon

The intelligence level in this thread gave me no choice.

[Titus]

Anyone have meta on Titus doing Mason gambits?

No but I'd put my level of trust in that being a legit claim somewhere around fifteen percent.

Was that a serious mason claim...

Unfortunately. I obviously wasn't going to let her get lynched but whatever now

Sorry I'm more inclined to believe it's a level 92 scum gambit

You'd be more inclined to believe that lizards run the the government.

[Titus]

Titus, by your rationale would the rest of the thread scumreading me make it more intelligent?

It's not about the opinion about the logic in support. When people can't see look at me I'm so town posting, I start doubting the intelligence of the thread. Same when people fail to understand AtE and other basic terms.

Dunn and I disagree about Varsoon but he's not spouting falsehoods.

[Titus]

I want Wake to post more, PeregrineV was supposed to post more, I don't want to vote Mirhawk or Varsoon

Dunn if you had used your words, words aside from " Because I said so " your partner may not have claimed - if the claim is legit.

Titus, what say you diffuse your vote on me and I'll magically diffuse your wagon.

I'm a mason, you should be diffusing my wagon anyway, but I'll humor this if it gets me a bus.

Which of our mutual scumreads do you want to lynch?

[Titus]

@Wake

no I knew you were talking about Titus

, thought I was being pretty clear in what I wrote

I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight,

but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled

and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

You're not being consistent.

You say you knew I was talking about Titus, but earlier you said I implied you weren't skilled.

I never said you weren't skilled.

VOTE: Dunnstral

This is the most dumb vote I have ever seen you cast Wake. Like ever.

Mirhawk, you know you're to respond.

[Titus]

@Dunn, Mirhawk's town because he sees the lamist play. Varsoon gets a pass on slower entry because he's been busy and anyone who has played with scum me HATES naked townreads on Titus by principle.

@Zach, I could do Shannon.

[Titus]

I'm saying I would know if Titus was faking or buddying up to me, or at least wouldn't townread her right away but it's whatever

Why are you saying this as if it's a concern or ever was if Titus is your mason partner?

Oh let's claim Masons in post 1. That's an intelligent idea. In this setup, he

would

know if I was scum buddying him, because he already knows I'm not.

[Titus]

@Zach, Where's the vote on Shannon?

[Titus]

Zach where's my Shannon case? I'm still voting V-boy over here

How's about naked voting conftown and providing jackshit in content to the thread?

[Titus]

I want Wake to post more, PeregrineV was supposed to post more, I don't want to vote Mirhawk or Varsoon

Dunn if you had used your words, words aside from " Because I said so " your partner may not have claimed - if the claim is legit.

Titus, what say you diffuse your vote on me and I'll magically diffuse your wagon.

I'm a mason, you should be diffusing my wagon anyway, but I'll humor this if it gets me a bus.

Which of our mutual scumreads do you want to lynch?

Wait a minute... " if it gets me a bus"

YoU sTILL THINK I'M sCuM!

Yes.

VOTE: Shannon

[Titus]

Zach where's my Shannon case? I'm still voting V-boy over here

Where's my Varsoon case?

I said tonight, when I'm on a computer

We have different definitions of tonight

Zach where's my Shannon case? I'm still voting V-boy over here

How's about naked voting conftown and providing jackshit in content to the thread?

Who

That would be Shannon

[Titus]

While your hurtful statements crack my stony exterior and pierce straight into my sprinkle-coated heart, I am not fazed because they are obviously false.

Ok Town Squadron dissassemble Titus wagon designate 0114-165 or don't if you feel it's the best scum gambit of 2016.


What's actually stopping one of you getting NK'd tonight, making the claim kinda pointless?

The claim gets idiots and scum to have to pick a new mislynch target, getting us more information. I read the story of the votes. Spending all day talking about how my mason buddy is conftown is a little ridiculous and does nothing to further the game.

[Titus]

Looking back I'm really not a fan of AGar's content post. He attacks Titus largely for pushing with empty reasoning, when he himself in his post gives very little reasoning for much of what he says (he cites posts 89, 367-368, 370-376, 387 and possibly more as bad or terrible or etc but gives no justification, as though those 10+ posts are self-evidently scummy [which they aren't]). In assessing Titus's 447, he immediately jumps to the worst possible interpretation:

Are you really saying because you did something one time in a game when you were scum, that this means he's scum?

when it's fairly evident, I think, that Titus is simply saying that it

can

be scum and attacking it for reasons other than her having done it as scum once (calling it LAMIST) together with the fact that

Titus had already been pushing Zach

which pretty clearly indicates that Titus wasn't pushing Zach with the logic of "I did this once as scum therefore you're doing it as scum." This jumping to the worst possible interpretation of things, IMO, indicates a lack of intellectual honesty in evaluating information, which in turn indicates scum.

I'm not liking you now. You change your interpretation of events the minute I've claimed mason to agree with what I've essentially said. Your townread immediately weakened when the wagon first formed on me too. I don't trust you.

P-edit:

VOTE: implosion

We agree there.

[Titus]

That was a town post from implosion.

Dunn, that absolutely was not.

Look at Implosions read trajectory on me. Look at votes on me.

[Titus]

Wake can be vigged. At this point, I have zero desire to rehabilitate Wake (assuming he's town which he may not be) or to get in a long drawn out fight as to why masons are town. Wake's tunnelling on a mason claim based on something that "could be a misunderstanding."

[Titus]

Sheep your mason partner please, your vote is on VARSOON.

Implosion read too much into that statement

I analyzed a number of things in that post.

did NOT accompany it with a vote.

What exactly do you think an AGar vote will accomplish right now?
There's no wagon on him and he's V/LA.

this is not a valid defense

I mean, I'm not sure what you want from me if you're calling it "not a valid defense." That seems to imply that you think there would be a valid defense, but that my post isn't sufficient.

Me having read too much into AGar's post is subjective; me seeing what I wanted to see is possible (AGar is part of a somewhat small group of people who I have yet to form townreads on, so I may be somewhat biased towards seeing his posts as scummy); I explained why there's no reason for me to accompany the fos with a vote.

Yeah, I'm not buying this either, but you actually gave me something I can check in an earlier post. That'll take awhile and game night tonight so...

[Titus]

Wake can be vigged. At this point, I have zero desire to rehabilitate Wake (assuming he's town which he may not be) or to get in a long drawn out fight as to why masons are town. Wake's tunnelling on a mason claim based on something that "could be a misunderstanding."

First, you can go on the record saying you've never pulled a Mason gambit.

Second, it sounds like you're saying both you and Dunnstral are Masons.

Third, no one is confirmed unless by the game moderator.

I don't believe I have. I've played so much that I can't remember every single game. So it's possible I forgot, but no I don't believe I have.

Yeah, it sounds like I am. Did you miss the part where I said we were masons?

Blah blah blah.

[Titus]

Was that a serious mason claim...

Unfortunately. I obviously wasn't going to let her get lynched

but whatever

now

If you and Titus truly were Masons you wouldn't allow her to be lynched under any circumstances.

He's saying he'd never get me lynched and he's expressing annoyance at the fact I claimed.

Knock this off.

[Titus]

Implosion read timeline

Zach

Implosion pushes Zach early wanting him to be the "first wagon of the game" 8481 says that Zach is scummy but has no reasons. 165 and surrounding are hostile to Zach questioning VLAs (which town shouldn't do anyway but the point here is Implosion is hostile to Zach. VOICE OF MOD: 236 is a filler question. 239 Zach is close to townreading Zach (doesn't say why). 258 implosion says that Zach's response in 227 is consistent with town being improperly wagoned. Again, no reason.

Titus

Implosion says that my behavior is how he'd expect town to react to Wake in 141. Again, this doesn't explain why. 150 says that I don't have a good reason to do what I do without being town. 292 agrees that what I'm doing is scumhunting. I'm a townread in 407, I'm still town, in a read wall. In 450 Zach has completely forgotten why I'm a townread and votes me in 465. Later he says that his townreads are voting me. I've never heard of townreads causing amnesia to that degree considering I'm one of the closest players that he's given reasons for in this game. 647 I'm suddenly town again based on a skim.

After I claim Masons, implosion suddenly doesn't like AGar's post on me, despite ignoring it the entire time.


This should get rope today. Then after him Sick of it. That's the only place where implosion doesn't mirror a popular opinion that I saw on my lookthrough.

[Titus]

I have other thoughts, that require Internet and my laptop, not my phone and also sobriety. But! The one scum game I have with Titus (that I haven't "conveniently" forgotten, contrary to how she'd like you to see it), she claimed a fucking ridiculously modified vig role to save solely herself, at the expense of handing over control of our scumkill to the fucking TOWN some nights, even though it could have literally confirmed two mafia at any given point. Lynch the "mason". More tomorrow after Bright House hooks up my shit.

Really, that game you're describing. You know what I did, I totally played little miss angel peacemaker while Wake and Sakura had pissy fights onto whether or not to leash or lynch the SK, riling them up while looking like an angel to avoid the conflict. That's what you conveniently left out of your posting.

Second, if you were actually paying attention that game, claiming a dayvig in no way gives town control over a nightkill.

Third, you'd have to be exceptionally dumb to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

[Titus]

Third,

you'd have to be exceptionally dumb

to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

Don't even.

I'm sure you and I in the past have tried ridiculous things that did pay off.

Nothing can be put past a skilled Scum player.

A skilled deceiver would want people to think he or she wouldn't/couldn't do something outrageous.

This is a strawman.

[Titus]

Third,

you'd have to be exceptionally dumb

to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

Don't even.

I'm sure you and I in the past have tried ridiculous things that did pay off.

Nothing can be put past a skilled Scum player.

A skilled deceiver would want people to think he or she wouldn't/couldn't do something outrageous.

This is a strawman.

No it's not.

People aren't dumb to think you could do something outrageous like fakeclaim mason Day 1 as Scum.

I may not know

exactly

how your inner gears spin, but I know they're usually spinning quite intricately.

You saying you couldn't/wouldn't do something... does not mean you could not or would not do that very thing.

That's the thing. Any obvtown reaction is obvtown because it would be ridiculous for scum. You can argue any townie is scum with this method.

[Titus]

If you consider dumb a personal attack, maybe you should stop being dumb.

Dumb also is not a personal attack. If someone is being dumb, should we have a special word so you're feelings don't get hurt when you are indeed being dumb?

[Titus]

My autocorrect is evil.

[Titus]

I honestly have no idea how to read anything Wake has posted as alignment-indicative.

There's no way to. That's why I said I had no desire to talk to Wake and he's a vig/lynch.

[Titus]

Happy Birthday Dunn!

[Titus]

That vote stinks

Agreed.

We should totally agree on a wagon.

[Titus]

Transcend, I don't like kissasses. *shrug*

[Titus]

Shannon, why follow me so close?

Lapsa, why should I think you're town?

Wake, Are you aware of the difference between pushing things and questioning them? An you tell me where your reads are?

[Titus]

Vote your gut implosion, not like it will hammer.

[Titus]

Lapsa, why should I think you're town?

hah. out of nowhere

in my mind - Titus vs Wake ended abruptly and unnaturally.
as if by silent agreement, without any real continuation

lack of content in that fight is single most important indicator that it might very well be scum vs scum

VOTE: Lapsa

You adopted an aggressively hostile tone I have never seen you adopt. You're saying things that are patently untrue (implying I am townreading Wake solely because I asked a question elsewhere). Your interactions as a whole have been awkward.

[Titus]

Oh and most of all, you do NOT answer why I should be townreading you.

[Titus]

Then join me on Lapsa or vote Sick of it until you figure it out.

[Titus]

And your "reads" are utter crap.

[Titus]

This is very defensive.

1) You edit out parts of my post and call the post content less. This is the second such edit you've tried. The first was about townbeards on my wagon.

2) The comment edited isn't even accurate. Your hostile tone is novel from you and worth investigating as to why. Same thing with the awkward misreps.

3) I thought saying something is "unnatural" wasn't content. Oh that whole double standard rings it's head again.

4) I am scumhunting you, by telling you that I don't see you as town at all and giving you a chance to comment on it.

[Titus]

can someone dayvig dunn

I can agree with this. Haven't done an ISO of him yet but from what I've seen up until pg 26 so far, not liking the vague posts.
@anyone is his playstyle normally brief on d1?

Yes, and we're masons. *eyeroll*

[Titus]

Varsoon, *bats eyelashes* that's a bad vote. Don't make me cry Varsoona.

What in the. ....

Titus I'm curious, what's your read on Varsoon?

It's not a tr, just a bad vote. Varsoona isn't posting because of RL as he's not posting much in other games. Varsoon is really good at town when he gets going. I don't see what a pressure vote on Varsoona does since his lurking is IRL oriented and there are actual scummy people in the thread to lynch.

[Titus]

I don't mind Agar or Transcend.

VOTE: Transcend

Since I don't want my mason buddy voting Varsoon, I will join him on Transcend.

[Titus]

Post numbers are sorted chronologically. Post 0 in this game is 8019556, but the post that Wake's link directs to is 671742, which has to be far before the mafia PT was created

just read this -_-

I made PTs for games I modded well before the game happened.

Plus, Wake could pick an old PT and podog could be his partner using that as a towntell. Unlikely, but Wake isn't confirmed.

[Titus]

You know, I wish some players here would comment on my Reads List...

Finish it and I will.

[Titus]

Hey Zach/Dunn, thoughts on Sick?

[Titus]

Transcend is town and if Titus can think I'm heavy scum then that should show you the quality of her reads.

I've been saying Sickofit is a bad lynch for a while now, but I'd rather lynch Mirhawk/shannon than lynch Sickofit

Fuckin.. umm... not to mention the mason claim business

When you admit that paint business was meant to make you look town, I will think you're town. It's your stubborn denail of that that makes me doubt you.

[Titus]

Typo whatever.

Sorry. Then you're absolutely in denial about yourself (which means your reads are useless to me) or you're scum. Either way, I am not caring much.

[Titus]

Typo whatever.

Sorry. Then you're absolutely in denial about yourself (which means your reads are useless to me) or you're scum. Either way, I am not caring much.

You assume to know the motivations behind MY actions that went through MY head, I DID and then expect me to give 1/8th of a flying 747 fuck when you attempt to tell me what's what.

I do not. Have a nice day, though.

Of course not. That's the ONLY plausible scenario. I have scratched my brain looking for one given your recent play looks town.

Yet, I simply cannot find one. So yeah, I asked you to admit you lamisted as town and you cannot do that. So either you are so terrible at explaining your alternate reality, which gives me no hope we'll see eye to eye on anything, you're in denial about your own behavior, or you're scum.

So I am all ears whenever you want to try again to explain whypaint over typing. But I don't think you care to do that.

[Titus]

Yes, then ZOMG maybe you felt like lamisting because there was a wagon on you. Did you consider that? No.

[Titus]

Right, and that's your ego talking. Be around here long enough, and best town play becomes whoever can be honest and get town to think critically rather than just screaming no u.

Town has reached epic levels of dumb and lack of thinking.

And yes I now think you're town based on these responses.

So can you me andDunn please fucking agree on a wagon by some method other than draw straws.

K thxx.

[Titus]

I am fine with a Nos lynch, not my favorite but acceptable. Prefer Sick of it.

Dunn are you fine with a Nos lynch? Or implosion (my preferred choice).

@Performer, I see what you're doing. I love you too.

[Titus]

Blah, never mind - Air posted twice and has been forgettable to me. His 50 was a big assumption, as he said " That being said, I do read that Performer is willing and ready to vote for someone. Just not now." This is a mighty assumption. What if I decide to actually no lynch?
VOTE: No Lynch

Perf, can you stop this please?

[Titus]

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

[Titus]

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

and I'm the one being difficult..

Yeah, Nos was compromising. Then Wake wanted it and I don't trust Wake at all.

You go first on Implosion, I'l supplement.

[Titus]

Zach can you do Sick of it?

[Titus]

AGar *
Lapsa
shannon
Sickofit1138
Airick10
Transcend
Wake88 *
implosion

Ok, Dunn/Zach, pick someone in there. Iam down for these.

[Titus]

Zach, here's a column of players.

Dunnstral
Titus
Performer
Nosferatu
Podoboq

From top to bottom, could you rearrange the column from least willing to lynch to most?

Like everyone of those is shit.

2 masons, obvtown performer, guy who admits he's overplayed, and the guy who partially suggested you were town.

That's stupid as shit man.

[Titus]

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

TrueGent?

[Titus]

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

huh?

Literally answered in my next post scum.

[Titus]

I can't find it in the rules, but are we allowed to discuss replacements and posts like Nosferatu's last one?

Yes. I think it's a town replace out. We cannot mention ongoing though.

[Titus]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

Not following the rules of evidence is not scum indicative.

Objection overruled.

[Titus]

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

TrueGent?

Myself and Dunnstral played a game on MafiaUniverse.

Day 1 I wagoned the shit out of this dude called TrueGent because he put me off. He subs out and his replacement comes in. I continue to wagon him.

They don't allow you to discuss sub outs on that site, which I think is bullshit, but nevertheless I ask the mod " hey, is it allowed to talk about how the replacement MAKES the person scum?" just as a hypothetical and I get modkilled. I flip VT and what do you fucking know? Dude's replacement flips scum. Ironically my modkill worked as an angleshot for HIS lynch.

We can.

[Titus]

"I feel like he's coasting by posting infrequently" there's like 8 other people you can slap that on to

Right but yet for some reason it is impossible to get the three of us to agree on a wagon.

[Titus]

Lapsa, please where you have ever been this hostile as town? I have never seen you like this?

[Titus]

Actually gonna phone post til I doze

As usual Dunn is wasting more time than a clock belt

No I'm not, people keep getting in the way of my scumhunting

All you vote is town I don't want to hear that

Nos is the lynch let's go

Nos isn't on my list, so no.

[Titus]

I almost feel as if this is merely retalitory. I've bent over backwards saying who I'm willing to lynch and I can't even get my townreads to work together but we listen to scums and anti-town to lynch a lurker.

Like fuck this.

I hate being town.

[Titus]

Actually gonna phone post til I doze

As usual Dunn is wasting more time than a clock belt

No I'm not, people keep getting in the way of my scumhunting

All you vote is town I don't want to hear that

Nos is the lynch let's go

Nos isn't on my list, so no.

It's a shame you don't control the course of the game all by your lonesome LMAO

No but you act like you do.

[Titus]

I almost feel as if this is merely retalitory. I've bent over backwards saying who I'm willing to lynch and I can't even get my townreads to work together but we listen to scums and anti-town to lynch a lurker.

Like fuck this.

I hate being town.

You've been sowing seeds of division all game but you haven't fooled everyone.

Bullshit. That's just utter bullshit.

Excuse me that suspecting people who push on confirmed town as scum. That's not seeds of division. That's called scumhunting.

This absolute slander constantly is ridiculous while you're probably just laughing in your premade mod PT while the townies can't figure out how to get along and lynch scum because big shock everyone's just saying NO to each other and not engaging each other.

I put together who I found to be an acceptable lynch, and I keep getting ignored. How many times have I pleaded for Dunn and Zach to figure out a read together? But that's sowing discord. Highlighting that the people you're pushing are town... sowing discord to you.

Your arguments are nothing more than strawmen and if it wasn't for that stupid little hypo slip, you'd be the lynch to basically shut you up.

[Titus]

Dunn wants to lynch my townreads and doesn't want to lynch implosion, Titus I'm not going to try to work with him. You can go ahead and do that.

Why not?

This is why I feel like this is so insane.

You're town. He's town. Town wins by working together. Yet, neither of you will and it just makes me want to wish for nuclear bombs because it makes me feel that no amount of reason gets through to anyone and we mislynch town every day 1 because someone looked at someone else funny.

[Titus]

1. There's nothing scummy in his ISO.
2. The subout was really townie.
3. Wake wants to lynch him and is pushing it.
4. Wake is willing to lynch Sick of it and not pushing it.
5. Every single other push by Wake (myself, Dunn, boem) lately has been obvious town, so anything he wants I am opposed to.
6. Any reason given to lynch Nos fits others better.

[Titus]

Wants to vote implosion but doesn't, and says Almost50's post is bad but doesn't say why (170). Votes Zach with no reason. Has bad vibes from implosion, yet doesn't vote him or explains anything. Unvotes Zach/says he's better yet doesn't say why. In 840 he chimed in with only one sentence. I get the feeling that he's lurking and doesn't want to engage. He keeps not explaining anything either, which to me looks like he's not even trying to find Scum.

Unexplained reads alone =/= scummy supposing everything here is true. He has not been postibg . yes but that's NAI unfortunately. Does not want to engage is a conclusion, just like swamped with RL is.

Everything you've said here, Shannon and Transcend are also worse about.

[Titus]

VOTE: Sick of it

[Titus]

Well, I have a whole pool if you're willing to go there. Dunn is willing to lynch in it, you're wanting to push someone I think is town. It's not rocket science.

[Titus]

@Zach, you think I am town. You're town. The players on our wagons mostly changed. His stayed put. He has done little to no scumhunting to me and Wake is distancing from Sick of it. sick of it has taken soft easy positions.

[Titus]

No point in doing Titus from my point of view anymore

The fact that you even bothered to say this makes me want to hijack a school bus full of Martian puppies and crash it into a fucking volcano

& u and titus wonder why people SR YOu LMFAOOOO

The fact we don't waste time on the obvious angers you?

[Titus]

VOTE: Wake for pushing Titus after the role claim.

Titus you're both experienced and have claimed a PR, from here whenever you vote I'm hitching myself to your wagon, unless I get better info myself.

VOTE: wake

UNVOTE: Titus

Finally, something interesting.

This shannon player is voting me because I'm pushing you Titus... because that's it. Now she says she's going to hitch herself to your wagon whenever you vote because you're a claimed PR. And Transcend just goes with it, no reason need apply.

Varsoon

,

Mirhawk

,

Zach

,

Lapsa

,

Implosion

,

Dunnstral

,

Titus

: This is a serious move. One that needs to be explained. Please, if you would, share your thoughts on this.

My reasoning is this: I'm a newbie in a game of experienced people. I don't seem to be in the same time zone as many (any?) of you, which causes me to miss a whole lot of the conversation. I last posted after 7PM last night, and now it's just after 9AM in the morning and there have been three hundred posts. I think it's not possible for me to be to keep up with this game in the same way a lot of you are, who are participating in back-and-forth. At this point Titus is unlynchable, and she's experienced, so I'm going with her reads unless I get something better on my own.

Someone was calling for an investigative role on me

, and someone else voted and then moved (maybe this was Titus and Zach). I get that I'm not a great contributor this game, I think it's a combo of being sick, RL busy, other game busy, and unused to playing with so many people.

I would encourage an investigator not to waste their action

, and I'll try to do better to keep track of what's going on in the game and to contribute.

I'd be stoked to get cleared by an investigative PR.

This reads to me like you want the theoretical PR to not look in your direction.

Let me try to be more forceful. I'm aware that my role, and me as a player, are not of great value to this game. I'm not going to be the one who makes or breaks it, and if a PR can investigate someone else and find scum or a PR, they should do that instead. I wouldn't expect a PR to out themselves in order to vouch for my innocence if I were being wagoned, since I'm a small fish and I'm being outplayed big time. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but I'm trying to think of the bigger town picture here.

Shannon, why follow me so close?

(snippy snip)

Titus, because you're the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and you're experienced and have a better grip on the game than I do. If you're scum, my one vote isn't going to make a huge difference to you being able to push a wagon on someone - I'm not going to hammer anyone.

"I feel like he's coasting by posting infrequently" there's like 8 other people you can slap that on to

This is a really hard game to get in to if you're not online when the main players are. In previous games this has happened and I've ended up posting at odd times and basically to myself, and people have complained that I'm then making walls. So either I post a lot in quick succession and bore/frustrate people, or I post occasionally and miss some stuff.

Ok, I like this for now. Vote Sick of it please if you're not.

[Titus]

That being said I am acting a bit self-centered so I'll hang back til people post more

Alright, I will too, if Wake lays off the misrepsations and straw men.

[Titus]

Why not Sick of it or Nos?

[Titus]

So when I came in and was like
"Lol so obvious chainsawing"
You claimed masons
with fuckin' Titus
why?


Oh wait are you doing a bit?
I should commit if we're doing a bit.
Uh act like these last lines aren't here so you can jerk me around if we're doing a bit.

I claimed because of total thread stunted logical progress but that's what we're dealing with.

[Titus]

Umm Nos did gather heat and has a wagon. He subbed out so someone more engaged could play. That's townie.

[Titus]

Wake is now trying to divert from Sick.

[Titus]

I won't allow people to suspect my motives by stating the obvious without throwing a temperantrum.

Did I get your tone right?

Or did you have a problem with me saying that you pushing every lurker but Sick is diversion?

[Titus]

@Performer, How would you explain the near townslip deal?

[Titus]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Why would scum kill a mason when your flip would just conf the other mason. It's counterproductive, scum would want to work off of the doubtcasting of your claim

A REAL mason would know this.

I don't know maybe the masons have good reads and yours are shit...

[Titus]

For you to answer my thing but I guess not

Titus knows it, assuming me and her don't both die, it will be revealed later. Or maybe you get shot by vig?

Lapsa is who I would shoot if I were a vig

Take notes ^^^ follow my example

i read this as - "i'm too dumb but perhaps Titus can get us out of this using Lapsa's macho claim"

good luck, backtracking scumbag

Macho claim is a ambit to wifom NKs. Nothing more.

[Titus]

Yeah Almost50 viable lynch too

God, I am in a game with dumb people. No Almost. No PV. No Performer. No No's.

Let's actually lynch Scum. Like GDI.

[Titus]

Like I'm dead tonight anyway

Why would scum kill a mason when your flip would just conf the other mason. It's counterproductive, scum would want to work off of the doubtcasting of your claim

A REAL mason would know this.

I don't know maybe the masons have good reads and yours are shit...

My reads def aren't shit, I'm dubious of your+Dunnstral's reads, however

And why are you referring to the "masons" and me like we're two different people? I

I am not. Like wholly fuck. Masons and the word we are interchangeable. That's sarcastic snark.

[Titus]

@Agar, Dunn and I are confirmed town to me. You know Mod confirmed. Why does that bother you?

@Zach, Holy crap your reads are bad. Like terrible.

[Titus]

This has got to be the stupidest game of mafia ever.

Scum please dayvig me and save me from this. This game is a chore given scum and dumb town spam.

Getting anyone to work together in this is impossible.

[Titus]

Sorry Guy.

[Titus]

My macho claim was a joke.

As far as I know, there is no CC.

[Titus]

Is there a button you can use to hide all of a player's posts?

I wish but unfortunately I am not a dayvig.

[Titus]

Varsoon and Zach are fakeclaiming masons

If they come back and admit that, I'll fucking reevaluate, but until then, I'm going to take their claim at face value.

You can look through Zach's ISO and know it's fake. He believes our claim.

[Titus]

Scratch this. I thought we were at the dumbest game of mafia. We passed it.

[Titus]

I hope you're referencing podo right now and not me...

Oh I am referencing everyone.

[Titus]

Would one of the four claimed masons like to explain to me the problem with wagoning one of the four claimed masons? It seems like a win-win situation for town.

Or, you let scum deal with the problem and all is revealed...ike every other time masons are claimed.

[Titus]

This is why we don't claim Masons unprovoked Day 1.

I wouldn't have had to if town had actual intelligence this game.

[Titus]

Would one of the four claimed masons like to explain to me the problem with wagoning one of the four claimed masons? It seems like a win-win situation for town.

Or, you let scum deal with the problem and all is revealed...ike every other time masons are claimed.

How so? Seems to me like scum would just ignore the mason claims and let town lynch one of them as the tension rises, and it becomes more and more obvious that one of them is definitely lying.

You don't let scum deal with town problems. It always benefits scum.

I made these arguments you are making in a prior game. The mason pairs lived longer. Let's suppose one is scum for a moment, not a chance they live to lylo without being cleared. They'd be lynched before tat and twice as many links.

[Titus]

You mean this lurker who has people rushing to defend him? Who can actually claim if they are a PR and instead you'd risk lynching conftown scum must shoot anyway?

Like really?

[Titus]

However, lynching among you four gives us two confirmed scum.

No it doesn't, any way you slice it

YES IT DOES

If you and Titus are fake claiming, and we wagon any of the four of you, admit it before the hammer.
If Varsoon and Zach are fake claiming, and we wagon any of the four of you, they should admit it before the hammer.

If any of the four of you don't admit the fake claim, and allow a lynch on the assumption that the four of you are all telling the truth about being masons, you are deliberately allowing town to lynch somebody based on a lie. The only reason you would do that is if you're scum.

Number of times I've had to explain this to Dunnstral: 3

Right and then we let scum get that info during the day, instead of at night. Scum have to shoot and tell US what they fear. They tell us about associatives.

Masons never live to lylo untested but you don't lynch them or wagon them d1 to test the claim.

[Titus]

Fine

VOTE: Dunnstral

Just kill me then and then go straight for Zach because this isn't his town play

Varsoon might be dumb town fake claiming with mafia, I don't think they're both mafia. (possible for them to be different faction mafia)

Hey knock off the stupids. It's shit like this that forced me to claim.

[Titus]

Scum have to shoot and tell US what they fear. They tell us about associatives.

Analyzing why mafia targeted who they targeted at night is ALWAYS wifom in my experience.

Really? Scum shooting one mason and confirming the other is wifom? Like shit.

[Titus]

From one mislynch to another. You guys are fucking great.

I will now take my leave.

You could try meeting me half way and talk about lynching people I am willing to lynch.

[Titus]

Like this whole game is just fucking full of arrogance and it's the biggest thing that's pissing me off. Everyone thinks their reads are better than everyone else's and no one is willing to compromise on anything because of that.

You're about displaying what I am feeling 50 pages ago.

[Titus]

Hey guys.........................

If you didn't notice, Zach unvoted me

I noticed. I'd be happy to wagon him instead.

No. We aren't doing petty vindictive shit. If you want to wagon him, something other than he was fakeclaiming to get someone lynched since he owned up to it before Dunn reached L minus 1.

[Titus]

The lurker is sickofit

I think

You should know there are multiple lurkers here.

Context, lurker scum.

[Titus]

If you want to wagon him, something other than he was fakeclaiming to get someone lynched since he owned up to it before Dunn reached L minus 1.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but Zach hasn't owned up to anything.

The unvote was a retraction of the mason CC. We said e retracted multiple times, no one said anything.

[Titus]

I honestly think if you're fake claiming you should just retract lol.

This whole mason debacle is clogging the whole chat and distracting us from other scum hunting that could be done.

UNVOTE:


VOTE: Vedith

I knew it lol

[Titus]

As much as I want them to not be town, they probably are.

Both Masons, or both Town?

Does it matter to anyone but scum?

[Titus]

This is ridiculous. Yes we're masons to CC. No we're not. They're likely town. Yes we are you undermined my push.

[Titus]

So you are masons then?

Yeah.
Ultimately, it comes down to who you're gonna trust:
A pair who claimed masons under pressure
or
A dude who counterclaimed masons when it was clear that the claimed mason wasn't going to be lynched otherwise, recanted and then recced to save Sick of it.

What's it gonna be?

Done.

[Titus]

This is the dumbest thing ever. Dunn, to what lengths do I have to go to save you when you refuse to cooperate with anyone?

[Titus]

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

[Titus]

19. Please. I do 19 by breakfast with crappy internet.

[Titus]

Dunn I am never reclaiming. This has gone on long enough. We know they are lying to but they will keep up their bullshit claim just to lynch you.

[Titus]

I fake claimed to save Dunn

I wasn't under any pressure. You were. Don't try to twist it like that

Just like you aren't now. Really?

Just fuck off.

Day 1 is wasted.

[Titus]

Dunn, Stop this for fuck sake or I am voting you. Back to reads.

If Varsoon and Infinity reach lylo + 1 we lynch them.

[Titus]

Dunn I am never reclaiming. This has gone on long enough. We know they are lying to but they will keep up their bullshit claim just to lynch you.

I'm bubbling with delightedness.
And questions!

How did you know Dunnstral would go along with the claim/why did you go along with it?
Do you have a role connection that allowed that leverage/bond so that it wasn't such a test-of-faith?
What do you think of Dunnstral?
Etc
etc

He is shit town.
I wanted us to scumhunt and not waste time on bullshit day one.
Dunn would go along BC he knew I am town.

[Titus]

This literally is the crappiest town group I have seen as town. Ever.

[Titus]

No. No one but me was and I was labamsted for it. Everyone else was dick measuring.

I rarely gambit but I wanted out and to play to wincon.

[Titus]

Wake you serious? He literally slipped like 4 times AND retracted and you still think they're masons?

Enough. Let scum handle it.

[Titus]

To be fair, Titus, I did set you up for all'a dat.
Although this does bring me back to why you were chainsawing Dunnstral in the first place.

Misrep. Dunn is town. I had to sort people going after him. That's not chainsawing.

[Titus]

Dunn/Zach you have between 650 to 800 posts between you, can you both cool it?

[Titus]

Hi. Titus obvtown. Dunn town grating on me. G

Shannon town. Sick of it scum.

[Titus]

I gave the reasoning in what you quoted

i have played with Titus.
i think she's scum here

sheep me

I disagree

then why would you agree to Titus?
how come you two happily sniff each other's butt like that?

Awww you hurt you're not left out?

Have you ever been this antagonistic as town? If so, where?

[Titus]

Dunn, if you don't want to talk, quit posting.

Lapsa, why won't you answer my question?

[Titus]

Dunn, if you don't want to talk, quit posting.

Can you stop being so condescending?

Yes. Can you keep your word and let others post?

[Titus]

What the hell. I am VT.

No fun playing with y'all but I am not subbing out.

[Titus]

Yup.

Macho fake so docs don't heal me.
Mason fake so we wouldn't lynch obvtown and I would die N1.

I don't want to play with people who basically cannot read a thread.

P.S. The Dunn townread is due to ONGOING GAMES!

[Titus]

1) because I am sick of playing with people here.
2) So what? I lie and say Dunn is scum? Dunn is town because ongoing.
3) As a VT really? Come on man.

[Titus]

No one is listening to me anyway. Why would I expect it to happen? Because I say yes and pretty please?

[Titus]

Yup. I am. Because Lapsa's openly scumcaiming. Sick of it is scum.

Being an optimist got me wagoned too because big shock town are dumb here.

Yes, I am trying to be roped.