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You subbed in to Newbie 1691, when I was already dead - I was watching closely, hoping for a town win that never happened!In post 94, Almost50 wrote:Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?
Very little, comparatively. Three newbie games (one I subbed in so late it barely counts), one ongoing normal game. Record for completed games is two losses as town and a win as scum.In post 99, Wake1 wrote:
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shannon———✶Closed Setups are pretty fun! If you would, how much game experience do you have?
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In post 154, Zachstralkita wrote:
HEARD HE BE SNITCHING, WELL LET ME FIND OUT HE POINTING FINGERS I BRING HIS HAND BACK PROMO VAN BLAM THAT WHOLE FUCKING FAM WHACKED, WIFEY DUCT TAPED SARAN WRAPPED AND AMTRAK'DIn post 153, Dunnstral wrote:Ok Sickofit1138 and Zachstralkita both mafia
This is going to get really annoying if we have to deal with it all game. I don't know how many townies there are here, but can we afford to lose one if it helps the sanity of the rest of us?- shannon
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If I was a mafia team with him I'd have replaced out by now, I can only imagine how annoying mafia chat must beIn post 176, Dunnstral wrote:Zachstral shannon maf team- shannon
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If I could double vote you for that comment I would.In post 197, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 175, shannon wrote:In post 154, Zachstralkita wrote:
HEARD HE BE SNITCHING, WELL LET ME FIND OUT HE POINTING FINGERS I BRING HIS HAND BACK PROMO VAN BLAM THAT WHOLE FUCKING FAM WHACKED, WIFEY DUCT TAPED SARAN WRAPPED AND AMTRAK'DIn post 153, Dunnstral wrote:Ok Sickofit1138 and Zachstralkita both mafia
This is going to get really annoying if we have to deal with it all game. I don't know how many townies there are here, but can we afford to lose one if it helps the sanity of the rest of us?
You don't know my role though. And you just assumed it.......................... but at the same time you say I'm scum.
VOTE: shannon
Read between the lines: You're not such a loss, even if you're town (assuming you and I are not the only two, that would be really unbalanced) because your posts are so full of noisy blah-blah that they make it hard to think clearly. Deliberately annoying should not be a play style.- shannon
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In post 306, Dunnstral wrote:
Alright let me break this one down for youIn post 297, Almost50 wrote:
OK, who is NOT mafia in this game? Cuz you've voted or pointed the FoS on almost everything that moves thus far.In post 180, Dunnstral wrote:ok Zach mafia with either Shannon or Transcend
[Titus, Lapsa]
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A meta question, how the hell do you remember everyone, much less organise them in to a list like that? I am still experiencing overwhelm with the sheer volume of posts and unfamiliar names.- shannon
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In post 279, podoboq wrote:In post 269, Zachstralkita wrote:Except I do, shannon pretty much slipped and kase klosed.Spoiler: the thing zach is calling a scumslip
I read shannon's post as "I want to policy lynch Zach." I don't agree with doing that, but I don't think it's a scumslip. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you're hearing "Zach's town, but can we kill him anyway," and I think it's, "I don't care if he's scum or town."
In my experience, scumslips are more overt than this.In post 280, Dunnstral wrote:That's not a scum slip any way you slice it
The reason I mentioned mafia chat is because someone accused us of being scum together. I was reinforcing my dislike for your playstyle by saying that if we were, I would be out by now, because I can't imagine having to read a whole chat full of it.In post 283, Zachstralkita wrote:
I'm not scum any way you slice it.In post 280, Dunnstral wrote:That's not a scum slip any way you slice it
She says "I can only imagine how annoying mafia chat must be", which reinforces the belief that I am scum. It is not " I don't care if he's scum or town ". It would be without that sentence.podoboq wrote:In post 269, Zachstralkita wrote:Except I do, shannon pretty much slipped and kase klosed.Spoiler: the thing zach is calling a scumslip
I read shannon's post as "I want to policy lynch Zach." I don't agree with doing that, but I don't think it's a scumslip. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you're hearing "Zach's town, but can we kill him anyway," and I think it's, "I don't care if he's scum or town."
In my experience, scumslips are more overt than this.
^^ This is the kind of annoying non-content I am talking about. How does this help town in any plausible way? How is it anything more than noise that is designed to annoy, confuse, take up space, or break up the flow of conversation?In post 286, Zachstralkita wrote:YOU WELCOME IN ST.LOUIS, BUT YOU GOTTA FOLLOW OUR LAWS THOUGH
FIRST IS YOU DON'T KNOW NOBODY KEEP A SMALL CONVO AND LOSE SOME OF THIS GOD DAMN SWAG THAT'LL GET YO JAW BROKE
DON'T DRIVE NO WHIP THAT FLASH, YOU GET YOUR CAR YOKED
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Y'ALL BE ON THAT RAZOR BUCK FIFTY LEAVING A SCARRED THROAT? WE BARBECUE WEENIE Y'ALL PARTNAS, GET YA DOGS SMOKED
If you are town and you think this is helping, you are the weirdest townie I've ever met and I don't think your loss would be devastating. If you're scum, even better, we can lynch with impunity. I didn't really consider 'lynch the annoying person' as a policy lynch, but I guess it is and I'm happy if that becomes our policy at this point.- shannon
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A50 is looking really townie on p 14.
Zach, the thing is that there's no reason for you to post all the extra stuff. It's not 'flavour' or being friendly and building rapport with others, it's distracting and totally unhelpful. The thread is already busy enough with everyone posting legit stuff, we don't need all caps song lyrics as well. Are you using them to communicate some secret message to a team member or something?- shannon
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PEdit: What's with the swears Transcend? That was a bit rude, it's only a game.
Read List; there's no hierarchy within each category, I just wrote in whatever order. (i.e. top of town list is not necessarily the most towny, I don't have enough of a view yet to give that kind of detail). If I missed someone please let me know. Spoilered because it's a massive wall.
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I freely admit I'm having trouble keeping up with all the players here, there's bound to be a few wrong! Which ones do you think are 'wrongest'?In post 229, Performer wrote:Checked out rest of shann's ISO, placing her into null now. I see why she voted Zach though, as I went through a game with Firebringer that had noisemakers who caused a ton of chaos. Town ended up losing that game, and it was a shameful one.
At the same time, I think a wagon earlier than later, is more productive than sitting around doing guessing games. Taking a page from Thor's book.
Based on podo's ISO alone, I'm putting that slot into my scumreads at the moment.- shannon
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I didn't want to tunnel Zach and Titus seemed like a good wagon to get reactions. And reactions have certainly been got!In post 588, Dunnstral wrote:I changed my mind after seeing her vote Titus- shannon
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There can't be *that* many scum in the game or it would be totally unbalanced. Why make a chart and not take the time to make it accurate? Are you hoping that we'll just take your word for it? Is lynchability different from scumminess?In post 613, Dunnstral wrote:In post 611, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, I'm surprised you think I'm less lynchable than others.
Have they messed up that bad?
Don't put........ too much faith in the pie chart numbers
But in a general sense I think there are a lot of scummy people in this game
No shame brotherBoem_u_dusi wrote: I'm just shamelessly sheeping Dunnstral for now.
What specifically makes him look towny to you? I get bad vibes from him, like he is trying really hard to be town, in a way that town never actually needs to. I don't like that you unquestioningly accept him sheeping your opinions. IfIn post 622, Dunnstral wrote:Boem is townIstarted doing that, what would you think of it?
Stuffed if I know, but glad I'm not the only one missing out.In post 624, Lapsa wrote:could someone sober explain me this handwritten notes/graph nonsense please?
seems like that crap transcends this particular game and has some kind of external reference
either way - feels like i'm gonna be accused for feigning ignorance- shannon
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OK, finally sort of caught up.
I've never played a mason game before. At face value it seems ridiculous to fake claim this role, so I've got to move off the Titus wagon now.
Someone was calling for an investigative role on me, and someone else voted and then moved (maybe this was Titus and Zach). I get that I'm not a great contributor this game, I think it's a combo of being sick, RL busy, other game busy, and unused to playing with so many people. I would encourage an investigator not to waste their action, and I'll try to do better to keep track of what's going on in the game and to contribute.
VOTE: Wake for pushing Titus after the role claim.
Titus you're both experienced and have claimed a PR, from here whenever you vote I'm hitching myself to your wagon, unless I get better info myself.- shannon
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My reasoning is this: I'm a newbie in a game of experienced people. I don't seem to be in the same time zone as many (any?) of you, which causes me to miss a whole lot of the conversation. I last posted after 7PM last night, and now it's just after 9AM in the morning and there have been three hundred posts. I think it's not possible for me to be to keep up with this game in the same way a lot of you are, who are participating in back-and-forth. At this point Titus is unlynchable, and she's experienced, so I'm going with her reads unless I get something better on my own.In post 975, Wake1 wrote:In post 968, shannon wrote: VOTE: Wake for pushing Titus after the role claim.
Titus you're both experienced and have claimed a PR, from here whenever you vote I'm hitching myself to your wagon, unless I get better info myself.UNVOTE: Titus
Finally, something interesting.
This shannon player is voting me because I'm pushing you Titus... because that's it. Now she says she's going to hitch herself to your wagon whenever you vote because you're a claimed PR. And Transcend just goes with it, no reason need apply.
Varsoon,Mirhawk,Zach,Lapsa,Implosion,Dunnstral,Titus: This is a serious move. One that needs to be explained. Please, if you would, share your thoughts on this.
Let me try to be more forceful. I'm aware that my role, and me as a player, are not of great value to this game. I'm not going to be the one who makes or breaks it, and if a PR can investigate someone else and find scum or a PR, they should do that instead. I wouldn't expect a PR to out themselves in order to vouch for my innocence if I were being wagoned, since I'm a small fish and I'm being outplayed big time. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but I'm trying to think of the bigger town picture here.In post 976, Wake1 wrote:
I'd be stoked to get cleared by an investigative PR.In post 968, shannon wrote:Someone was calling for an investigative role on me, and someone else voted and then moved (maybe this was Titus and Zach). I get that I'm not a great contributor this game, I think it's a combo of being sick, RL busy, other game busy, and unused to playing with so many people.I would encourage an investigator not to waste their action, and I'll try to do better to keep track of what's going on in the game and to contribute.
This reads to me like you want the theoretical PR to not look in your direction.
Titus, because you're the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and you're experienced and have a better grip on the game than I do. If you're scum, my one vote isn't going to make a huge difference to you being able to push a wagon on someone - I'm not going to hammer anyone.
This is a really hard game to get in to if you're not online when the main players are. In previous games this has happened and I've ended up posting at odd times and basically to myself, and people have complained that I'm then making walls. So either I post a lot in quick succession and bore/frustrate people, or I post occasionally and miss some stuff.In post 1205, Dunnstral wrote:"I feel like he's coasting by posting infrequently" there's like 8 other people you can slap that on to- shannon
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I am actually starting to town read Zach a bit. Town on both the mason claims obv.
Scummish on Boem, the overall vibe of his posts just feels off to me but I don't know him so it might be normal for him. I don't think i'ts correct that replacements are more likely to be scum and I don't accept that as a reason for voting.
I don't like Performer's 'no lynch' vote.
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Is this craziness typical of this sort of game?In post 1405, Boem_u_dusi wrote:I think I won't be playing closed setups until I get more experience, this is ridiculous
So, two groups of claimed masons. If both groups are town and picking partners at random, that's really shitty town play. If they hold other PRs and communicate with each other there's no reason to gambit as masons, there hasn't been a serious wagon on anyone yet. We need to lynch within this group and sort the town from the scum. Now that there's a CC I'm no longer following Titus.
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In post 1754, Varsoon wrote:Like, Dunnstral and Titus claim Masons when I am a Mason
I tried to expose Dunnstral as scum.
Dunnstral plays the most obv-scum game in response.
No one votes Dunnstral.
Yeah I'm gonna claim and let town see where I'm coming from.
Going back on that as a reaction test just weakens that push to lynch Dunnscum, which is practically confirmed from my PoVIn post 1802, Zachstralkita wrote:Wake88 wrote:So you do have Daytalk.
If they had daytalk.. .Why did Dunnstral get annoyed when Titus " claimed "? They should have been able to plan that out and go over what they would and wouldn't do..
LMFAOOO CONFSCUMIn post 1836, Varsoon wrote:In post 1829, Titus wrote:We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.
I don't regret it.
Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.
Yet this group cannot do shit.
OOOOOH WHAM
BAM
THANK YOU MA'AAAAAM
Wow, OK, everyone's a faker. Why the hell we all had to go through that I've got no idea.In post 1876, implosion wrote:
+thisIn post 1874, Titus wrote:Dunn/Zach you have between 650 to 800 posts between you, can you both cool it?
I think you two are town but you seriously don't realize how much you are hurting the town with so many posts.
Titus/dunn/zach are all town. Varsoon probably is too. But seriously. This whole mason shit has made this game unplayable. I'm experienced enough to follow it. But you see how like, alotof people are unable to contribute meaningfully?
You two really need to post a lot less so that we can y'know get content from other people.
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AKA bullshit?In post 67, Titus wrote:My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.
Dunn is town based on ihhcihihciydkhckhdohhc rules.
Good way of prepping us for your gambit - you relied on us all thinking that logically, no one would fake mason because it's too unlikely/too easy to be caught etc.In post 518, Titus wrote:Well you took out half of it.
I have zero faith in town. You have to force the rest of town to think with brains instead of feels.
@Zach, Oh now your posts are jokes...hnph. Yeah we'll go with the joke defense. That has about a 75% likelihood of being scum (but it failed when a noob used it sooo).
You want to do something productive, stop whining about my scumread, doubtcadting town and do it.
I'm sure there's more but your ISO is so extensive I can't even. Suffice to say, you have been trying to control the game from the start, you started an unnecessary mason gambit that destroyed the whole day, and I can't see any pro-town reason for doing it. Your excuse has been that you were trying to prevent a wagon on Dunn, but how was that even sensible - the first wagon of the day almost never sticks, and unless you really are both PRs with communication, you have no way of even coming close to proving your towniness to us. And lets say you do convince us, that just makes you targets for scum. All in all, very anti-town play. (And for what, maybe saving a VT, or outing yourselves both as PRs?)
I also dislike how you use your supposed authority vote as a threat to silence people. If I agree with you I'm on the town list, if I express any dissent I'm automatically scum. Not cool.
VOTE: Titus
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Alrighty then. Most of what I want to say has already been said by Podoboq. The whole mason bit stinks.
Titus now claims some mysterious, unexplainable town read on Dunn, that she couldn't otherwise elaborate on. And so - without knowing Dunn's actual role here - she claims masons. (If she does know Dunn's actual role here, she's scum). This whole fiasco was to save someone who could have been a vanilla townie, who scum will most likely NK now anyway because of all the attention that's been drawn. This is crap town play and I'm staying on Titus unless Dunn is an option.
I am just ISOing Dunn and he has mentioned something that's happening in an ongoing game: see the top of 90 where he's asked to link to what he said and responds and "I can't yet". Somodcan we please get this guy removed for a rule violation?Since we can't manage to bloody well vote him for a scummy play, I figure this might be a way to get rid of him.
Continue to VOTE: Titus
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A50's assessment of me is fair. I have been of very little use this game, simply because I don't know how to engage with it. Not only the mason claims, but the sheer volume of posts (most of which seem to amount to 'I know you are but what am I?'), the hostility and complete lack of cooperation. It's not what I thought mafia was meant to be like. Again, podoboq hit the nail on the head with his commentary in Titus and why titus has been the most destructive for town.
if it gets toward EOD and there is no dominant wagon, I'd accept being voted off the island. It's not fair to make a replacement read all these pages, and I'm VT so while it's not the best option for town, ar least you won't accidentally hit a PR. If there's not a scum candidate we can all agree on, I volunteer as tribute.- shannon
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All you miss in the middle is a bunch of mason claims, counter claims, and then abandonment of claims, plus people telling each other that town are idiots this game. All in all, you don't miss much.In post 2558, beeboy wrote:Anyway it is like 1am so I am going to read the most recent 10 pages and first 10 pages and just wing it.
I have read the thread (ugh) and I wanted that modkill 1) because I'm a stickler for rules, even when they hurt me, and 2) I want that guy gone for the fake mason crap. I have accidentally mentioned a current game before, and if I had been modkiled for it I would have accepted it. (IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving). My current policy is get rid of all fake masons because silly gambits and lying are no good for town. Someone mentioned that the wagons keep changing because we have 2 competing scum factions, and I think that could be on track.In post 2574, Mirhawk wrote:
I agree with the first two. If sick replaced out becuase he didn't want to catch up it not alignment indicative though.In post 2570, Transcend wrote:wake's obv town
performer's relatively obv town.
sick was probably more "i don't want to read 100 pages of this shit" than "i'm scum and i don't know how to respond to this pressure".
Also, what makes Shannon obvtown? She advocated a modkill which she wouldn't have even done if she had actually read the thread, then when called on it she immediately claimed and made an appeal to emotion.
It's mischaracterising my position to say that I was 'called on it' and made AtE. I don't feel under attack from the people that have scum read me for wanting the mod kill. I get that everyone has a different view and that it could be a scum wanting a free townie kill, but in this instance it is a genuine townie wanting to get rid of liars. You'll only see that when I flip, and at any rate it doesn't really matter because no one else (not least the mod, who PMed me about it) went for the idea.
I claimed VT not to save myself from some potential lynch based on my modkill request, but for the sake of having town avoid accidentally lynching a PR. (If I wanted to save myself, I'd claim mason ). If we have to lose a townie today and it's not one of the 'lurkers' - although what qualifies as a lurker in this game is I think skewed by the ridiculous volume of posts from some players - then it may as well be me. It's absolutelynotan appeal to emotion. Volunteering as tribute is a joke. I think it's rational, if you can't make a good choice (lynching fairly-certain scum, or someone who you're pretty sure isn't a PR and whose death will be revealing), to make the least-harmful choice, and lynching a VT is that. So, I'm volunteering myself if need be. I'm happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town overall. (Note that this is pretty much the opposite of one fake mason, who is prepared to derail the whole game in order to save her 'totally town' mate that she has no role confirmation on and no in-game proof of status).- shannon
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You mean youIn post 2579, Vedith wrote:In post 2578, shannon wrote:IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving
First of all - Bollocks.don'tthink you should be punished for doing the wrong thing? I don't get that. Either the punishment is just or it's not, and if it's just, you have to accept it being applied to yourself. (And if you're doing something dangerous, you should be grateful that it was pointed out before you hurt someone). You really don't feel this way?! That's why mafia is fun for me, because when I'm scum I get to lie and it's part of the rules that I'm allowed to do that. I don't do it IRL, because if everyone did it, everything would fall apart.
I'm volunteering because I think the game is so stuffed up that town aren't going to be able to find scum today. So if it's between lynching a PR and lynching a VT, we should lynch a VT - and I can do my best to ensure that outcome by nominating myself. No info would be gained, except my flip I suppose. A few people have moved on and off me all Day but that's nothing significant I don't think. It's up to town whether gaining information is more important than not hitting a PR, but I'm here if there's no better option.In post 2580, Vedith wrote:However, I do share the exact same opinion with the fake mason claims.
If anything, those fake mason claims have ruined day 1 imo.
But you are volunteering to be voted off with the claim of being town?
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Well, +1 to this. Hoepfully the mod will be hsere soon to let us knowIn post 2703, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Maybe Wake miscounted and there isn't a lynch yet.
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Sorry for L-1ing the dead guy (but not sorry becuase it was the right result), I didn't realise he was at L-2. Will count in future.
Same reason that I claimed Dunn as a mason.[/quote]In post 2928, Titus wrote:
I don't think I should answer that. Obvious reasons.In post 2926, Dunnstral wrote:What do you think of my claim?
Fairly unhappy with this response for Titus. Either you get the read from somewhere legit and you can share why you have it, or you don't have it.
Why not just let this point go and keep the JK in the game? I feel we've lost more than we've gained here.In post 2964, Almost50 wrote:OK.. I'm totally lost, so you guys work it out.
1- I'm the Jailkeeper
2- Dunn didn't shoot Lapsa bc I Jailed HIM (Dunn).
3- I let him go with it to see if he was faking, and it looks to me that he totally believed his shit, so he may still be a vig and all, but he DID NOT SHOOT LAPSA! Period.
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^^FWIW it wasn't late night everywhere, I voted in the middle of the day when I logged on while getting lunch at my local shops!In post 3063, Airick10 wrote:Well so much for hitting submit vs preview.
Anyway... I was going to say I think we are ignoring the voting groups that were formed in D1. I still find it very peculiar that 5 of 10 votes were counted for Vedith late at night in a span of two hours. And I also think it's reasonable to suggest one of them could be scum. I also think it's even more reasonable the first 5 votes that were not part of that late blitz wagon also had scum in there. The post above is my take on those five votes. To be fair, I don't know if any of them would unvote during that blitz wagon as it was happening... but given the short time frame of it. Did they even have a choice?
Out of the five, three of them (AGar, Performer, PV) haven't responded in D2 so far... granted, it is a holiday. But they have quiet most of the game and I wouldn't expect them to unvote during that blitz. I'm open to looking at other groups who voted who in D1, but I do believe there is scum in this list.- shannon
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Well, I was just happy to see an actual decision happening and decided, after seeing a few votes in a row on the same person, to join that same wagon. Probably should have checked how many votes were on in total, but it's bloody hard to do that over so. many. pages. of votes and unvotes. I would find more frequent vote counts to be helpful if the mod is up to it.- shannon
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OK I have a theory and I'm pretty sure it's going to be shot down by a grown up but I want to try it out.In post 3126, Dunnstral wrote:
You're worseIn post 3124, Wake1 wrote: Unless you're an alt you reallydon'tgive the impression that you know what you're doing.
Titus is a bulletproof mafia traitor and Dunn is regular mafia.
How I arrived at this (and point out any flaws as you see them, there are heaps I'm sure).
1) Newbie games are 9:2 with a smattering of PRs, so I extrapolated from that to get 19:3 or 19:4 in this one
2) I speculated about what the roles would be, based on what's flipped and what has been claimed. I feel like I shouldn't go in to detail in case it's anti town but will if you want (I'm probably wrong anyway)
3) I think we are looking at a 'half mafia' player for balance, i.e. the traitor role
4) Titus claimed Masons with Dunn, with no way of knowing (if Titus is town) what Dunn's role is. I think this could actually be a way of Traitor Titus letting the main mafia faction know who she is. I think Titus might only know who one of the mafiosi is, not both of them, so she tried to save what she saw as the beginnings of a Dunn wagon using a strategy so implausible no one would believe it
5) This fits with Titus's claims that she can't tell us why Dunn is town without breaking the rules - what she's really saying is that she knows Dunn is scum but can't say why without revealing her role PM
6) Titus' early play, to me, fits the 'bad townie' role, and she has now toned it down I think after losing the other scum
7) I do think this could be, as Zach says in 872, the best scum gambit of 2016
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Can't work out how to do the quote in quote thing, so here goes.In post 3146, Dunnstral wrote:
So... you're like a little kid?In post 3144, shannon wrote:I'm pretty sure it's going to be shot down by a grown up
Games are balanced around 13 players, 10 town 3 mafia all the time. Suggesting that we have SIXTEEN town and three mafia is sillyshannon wrote: 1) Newbie games are 9:2 with a smattering of PRs, so I extrapolated from that to get 19:3 or 19:4 in this one
(Note: There is 19 players in this game, not 19 town)
So we have:shannon wrote: 2) I speculated about what the roles would be, based on what's flipped and what has been claimed. I feel like I shouldn't go in to detail in case it's anti town but will if you want (I'm probably wrong anyway)
3) I think we are looking at a 'half mafia' player for balance, i.e. the traitor role
Miller
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And from that you got "mafia bulletproof traitor"
I mean it's fine to assume there's 5 mafia with one being a traitor (though that's pretty strong in scum numbers) but don't act like the roleclaims point to traitor when they don't
How does a mafia traitor claiming mason with a mafia member let mafia know that they're the traitor, and not some random townie?shannon wrote: 4) Titus claimed Masons with Dunn, with no way of knowing (if Titus is town) what Dunn's role is. I think this could actually be a way of Traitor Titus letting the main mafia faction know who she is. I think Titus might only know who one of the mafiosi is, not both of them, so she tried to save what she saw as the beginnings of a Dunn wagon using a strategy so implausible no one would believe it
5) This fits with Titus's claims that she can't tell us why Dunn is town without breaking the rules - what she's really saying is that she knows Dunn is scum but can't say why without revealing her role PM
As opposed to you, who's been playing the bad person role by trying to get people modkilled?shannon wrote: 6) Titus' early play, to me, fits the 'bad townie' role, and she has now toned it down I think after losing the other scum
Nothing you've done has contributed to town (except the vedith quickwagon). I bet you'd like to think you have, but you've only served to muddy the waters
(annoyingly, I'm pretty confident that you are town)
You ignored, or forgot, that I also claimed 1-shot vig.shannon wrote: 7) I do think this could be, as Zach says in 872, the best scum gambit of 2016
Thoughts?
Here's my thoughts:
1. Start over without being tunneled on me and Titus.
2. The scum team isn't me and Vedith with Titus mafia traitor in a 19 person game. Point out things other people have done
3. In post 3012 you're sheeping me. What made you change your mind since then?
1) Grown up refers to someone more experienced, and relative to that, I'm a kid in that I'm new. It's a joke, geez.
2) Alright, typo aside, 19 players to me is 4 scum (three and a half, with the traitor being a half player), and 15 town.
3) Yep, from that I got mafia bulletproof traitor. Actually the traitor thing came mostly from the masons claim.
4) A mafia traitor would probably find it useful to tell the other mafiosi who they are. One way of doing it could be to claim the same alignment as a known (to them) mafioso. If you were mafia and someone claimed to be masons with you, wouldn't you wonder why? Why would a random townie choose a mason gambit with another townie? (Right, because they somehow *know* the other person is town, but can't say why... that's what makes the whole thing look dodgy).
5) Trying to get someone modkilled is not naughty if you think that person is scum. Win at any cost.
6) I know you claimed one-shot vig, and immediately, someone stepped in to say that your kill hadn't gone through. Two options: Either you're genuine and were prevented from taking the shot (or the target was protected from one shot but two were made on it), *or* you were trying to draw out more info for scum and were prepared to die for it.
7) There's no need to be nasty by saying things like 'you haven't been useful but I bet you think you have'. I'm well aware that I haven't been as useful as some people have been, I'm not completely without self-awareness. It's also not conducive to good town morale.
8) You've got no reason to worry about me tunnelling you if you think I've got no sway over the game. I'm happy to support the general town wagons, and I probably won't have a go at you again, but I wanted to get this out there.- shannon
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Yeah, not thrilled with the post count stuff. If Dunn has like 500 posts and that's the standard for the game, if everyone posted that much we'd be in thousands of pages right now. Also when I was waking up to like 300 new posts it's a bit hard to catch up with all the content, much less post a comparative amount.- shannon
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I don't know why podoboq's name is so hard for people, it's symmetricalIn post 3841, kraska77 wrote:guys can we pressure agar or titus
or podokhkjfjkl
how about that
prefer the first two
I could happily see the end of Titus. I think her style has really changed since the heady days of the mason claims and I can only think it's a response to having so much negative attention on her. Same with Zach.- shannon
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I cannot be any more transparent here. I'm struggling to keep up with all the players, let alone the volume of posts. So the best thing I can do is be obvious about my towniness (plain vanilla as it might be) so that I'm not taking up game space by having debate about myself. I've volunteered myself as a 'minimal impact' lynch in case it comes about that town can't agree and *has to* lynch *someone*. I am reading along but don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. Once we're down to a dozen players or so I'm sure I'll be more across the game and more able to contribute (if I live that long).In post 4048, Dunnstral wrote:In post 4035, AGar wrote:Dunnstral why didn't you vig this? For fucks sake, man.
Because she's kind of obvious town??
Trust me if I had any thoughts of her being scum I'd have shot her following the force replace thing
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