Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

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I already did read.

I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot and was sad when my role pm said town

Phoneposting right now and probably will be for the rest of today, but tommy looks like scum to me. Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement and so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)

Alpaca is noob town I think (directly saying "this is scummy so I won't do it" reads like noob town posting), Zach jar jar trivium and inspector are all town too I'm pretty sure

What's up transcend you're town right

PEdit: yeah rip

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VOTE: tommy

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Wait tommy's vote suddenly switched to inspector??

Lynch this

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Wait you never answered my question directly about whether you're town, confscum right here ^^

PEdit: Lol this guy just claimed scum

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jkjk

Not reading posts and just looking at votes can be a pretty good strat I think

Meanwhile jarjar is town, I could see rask and scum

maybe

but jarjar is town and so is bacde I think so what's your guess for last scum

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rask as* scum

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Alpaca is noob town in pretty sure, the line of "oh this is scummy so I won't do it" is classic noob town

Ill try and convince people to vote tommy

I doubt jarjar is scum but who knows

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that's my job

Ok next person who comes on has to vote tommy or I'm declaring them confirmed as his buddy

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Yes, maybe, and applesauce

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Hey transcend how do you know I'm not scum

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@bacde long time no see

why aren't you interacting with people

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Quote wall incoming

Transcend, the biggest fucking problem I have with you is that scum can vote your scumread and probably be cleared in your eyes for it.

I just wanted to say I noticed this too and keeping my eyr on transcend, his whole attitude seems town tho

And I don't like how Tommy seemed to be gone for most of these conversations, just slipping by at the most opportune points. I scumread Tommy, but I also reaally scumread transcend, so yet again I'm not even sure anymore. I need some detailed info on what infinity thinks of inspector.

I don't know about detailed info but here's what I got

My first inspector is pretty town cause he's committing a known scumtell, waffling, in a way that seems natural. "ehh this guy could be scum" is not something I see scum actually do a lot.

His outburst on you three made him pretty obvtown in my eyes, scum don't say ridiculous shit for no reason. Plus the frustration seemed genuine.

or i could take the tinfoil hat angle and say that.... if me, trivium, and jarjar are town (which I am quite sure of), scout is town, and transcend /kush slot is town, then scum would have to try and blend in amidst this confusion and work off of it while not being noticeable enough to draw attention away from the main wagon, though not necessarily having to be ON it and possibly arguing against the would be ML (for towncred)

I like this idea, also tommy is hiding while pretending to contribute

Inspector is town and I think jarjar is too

I forgive you. I deliberately took my vote off my biggest scum-read and stuck it on a wagon with momentum. That's what opportunistic scum would do. I also happen to think it was a pro-town play.

This is a towny like but fakeable

Also I disagree that it was pro-town cause scout was obviously feeling the pressure already

I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot and was sad when my role pm said town

Bold move! I applaud you. If Transcend is also scum, then the love fest is equally brazen. I kind of hope so, because it would be a spectacular set of moves to discuss after the game.

This doesn't follow, though:

tommy looks like scum to me. Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement

You've just said you read Kush as scum. How then can my Kush vote look like an excuse to avoid engagement?[/quote]

I mean it makes sense, I agreed with the vote, it's just that you seem to be using it to produce content while not actually trying to find who scum are

so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)

Can you give an example of a post that seems towny on the surface, but beneath the surface looks like an excuse to avoid engagement?

Basically all your posts, you ask questions and mqake comments that don't seem to be getting anywhere in terms of either finding scum or convincing people to vote the way you are, imo

Ask me anything and I'll comment or explain as best I can. You're my top town-read, so I will be accommodating.

This is the kind of attitude I'm talking about. You're not being proactive, you're not scumhunting, you're not pushing for lynches, you're just commenting on what you see and asking question which don't seem to be getting anywhere.

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What

I said already I thought the slot was scum

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I also don't get the case on scout whatsoever, he made a contradiction that wasn't even a contradiction, then you guys all switched your votes to him

Making contradictions isn't even a scumtell

PEdit: 1. Idk it's just what it looks like to me, you seem to be pressuring who you think is scum and convincing people to vote them, tommy doesn't

2. thought, past tense

I read the thread before I got my role pm and at the time I agreed with the vote

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What are you talking about

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You asked me a question, I don't understand the question.

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I'm pretty sure the answer is no

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I'm not certain cause I don't get what the question is referencing.

I think if the answer was yes I would understand what the question is referencing.

That's why I answered no.

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Sorry if I'm being dumb, but I don't get it

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You're town.

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Honestly I have a townread on everyone except for tommy at this point, but that's can't be true so I'm gonna have to figure some stuff out

transcend, rask, and jarjar are some of my weaker townreads atm just in terms of attitude and other things I've noticed so far

PEdit: I don't have very good reasons for most of them, if there's a specific one you want me to explain ask. At some point I'm gonna have to do a reread and look for specific things, especially after we have a scum flip

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I already did read.

I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot and was sad when my role pm said town

Did u ISO ur slot after u got ur PM but decided to wait to read it? Or were u following the game before u replaced in?

pedit: yeah that

Missed this.

I was following the game before I replaced in.

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Honestly I have a townread on everyone except for tommy at this point, but that's can't be true so I'm gonna have to figure some stuff out

transcend, rask, and jarjar are some of my weaker townreads atm just in terms of attitude and other things I've noticed so far

PEdit: I don't have very good reasons for most of them, if there's a specific one you want me to explain ask. At some point I'm gonna have to do a reread and look for specific things, especially after we have a scum flip

Explain my townread, Lowell's townread, Trivium's townread

and also why Transcend is a " weak " townread to you, in depth please

I'll try to go as in depth as I can but most of it is gut or small things I noticed when I was reading that I forgot about now

You're town because you're constantly pressuring your scumreads and asking questions like these ones which seem to be driven by an effort to read people

Lowell is town because I thought the wagon on him was for things that are "too scummy to be scum" and more of a personality tell than anything, he started to post better under pressure (though now that I think about it that may be a bad sign)

Trivium is town cause he's just throwing out his opinions and being aggressive and stuff

Most of transcend's posting and attitude has looked towny to me so far (I actually scum read him at first cause of his odd style) but it's only a weak townread cause I feel like our interaction might be more likely to come from scum. Not sure about that though

I'll do a reread when I get time and post more in-depth explanations

PEdit: Yeah cause I thought he was town at the beginning

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Trivium, I think you're confirmation biased bro

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Wait does power town actually mean PR, I thought it just meant good town players or smth

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O I misread something sorry

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The paranoia from both scout and trivium is very town

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yup another quotewall

I already did read.

I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot

and was sad when my role pm said town

Phoneposting right now and probably will be for the rest of today, but tommy looks like scum to me.

Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement

and so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)

Alpaca is noob town I think (directly saying "this is scummy so I won't do it" reads like noob town posting), Zach jar jar trivium and inspector are all town too I'm pretty sure

What's up transcend you're town right

PEdit: yeah rip

Maybe he's voting your slot cause he was scumreading it just like u were.

@zach. Yeah that may be one of the scummiest entrances I've ever seen.

"Man, my slot is so F'n scummy. Tommy is scum for voting my slot"

Lol I already addressed this. Tommy isn't scum for voting my slot, the

way he did it

was scummy because there were no other really engaging remarks in his post. Town shouldn't be (and usually isn't) afraid to get their hands dirty, and tommy seems exactly that.

Like, i might even have a power role

Also this is more garbage ATE bullshit. Town should never make this post.

Softclaims are usually town. We're not lynching a softclaim d2.

Only pointing this out cause you made it obvious already

what kind of question is that?

and how is he supposed to answer it? " ya guys.. im .. im .nott......"

I'M the one that does the satire around here.

Sometimes reactions to questions like this can be alignment indicative, it wasn't really much of anything

Also I disagree that it was pro-town cause scout was obviously feeling the pressure already

It wasn't for pressure. I was trying to kill him.

Don't you think it's a bit early for that

You're not being proactive, you're not scumhunting, you're not pushing for lynches, you're just commenting on what you see and asking question which don't seem to be getting anywhere.

I am scum-hunting: my scum reads right now are you, inspectorscout, Transcend and AlpacaAlpaca; my town reads are Trivium and Zach. I am pushing for your lynch. Not getting anywhere, I'll give you that. But that kind of reassures me: it's harder to lynch scum than to lynch town

Having scumreads doesn't mean you're scumhunting

Like, you've done almost nothing this game that's meant to determine someone's alignment. That's a problem.

Talking of which, has anyone noticed how my 'opportunistic' push on Kush after he quick-hammered our bulletproof led to exactly no votes besides mine? Do we not think that if Kush was town, some other opportunistic types might have joined in?

It wasn't even opportunistic cause there were no other votes on him at the time lol

It was just like "look at me I scumhunting and doing stuff" when really you're not.

Loving the 'forest' schtick. Dude, you should have just gone with a single, confident 'no'. The vanilla PM was in Creature's first post.

Lol I'm dumb didn't even know he was talking about something I would've gotten in a role pm

I thought he would know that flavor isn't allowed in role pms

wagon on me is pretty weak reasoning but I don't think it's scum driven

PEdit: It's not me it's you transcend. In a bad way.

PEdit 2: Towny actions can easily be faked and his words have been towny the whole game really

It's easy to look town if you don't engage with people, that's why tommy is doing it

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Like, i might even have a power role

Also this is more garbage ATE bullshit. Town should never make this post.

Also look at my sig bro

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Paranoia is hard to fake imo and you guys both did it in natural places.

Is the wagon on me seriously cause you guys don't understand my reads? It would've been laughably easy for me-scum to come in and make a pretty wallpost that summarized the last 50 pages and it would probably just get me townread by a lot of people tbh. But I actually decided to come in and interact with people so I can determine their alignment.

Not saying that makes me town cause that would be wifom of course but it certainly doesn't make me scum.

PEdit: Well this post is a start.

Engaging people in mafia is kind of a hard thing to explain, but essentially I've never seen you get into an extended conversation with anyone except for now. zach/dunn on d1 is a good example, so is me/transcend when I replaced in

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But I actually decided to come in and interact with people so I can determine their alignment.

u called everyone town LMAO, you're very determined

Listing my reads is not what I mean by that lol. I'm talking about the interactions with transcend, a comment I made to bacde, comments like this

Ok next person who comes on has to vote tommy or I'm declaring them confirmed as his buddy

Small reaction tests like that and the comment to transcend you brought up are just how I scumhunt

Softclaims are usually town. We're not lynching a softclaim d2.

Only pointing this out cause you made it obvious already

inspector himself said it was a hypothetical.

Why would you even bring that up if it wasn't true

Still doubt scum would do that.

Sometimes reactions to questions like this can be alignment indicative, it wasn't really much of anything

Sometimes, but not right there because that's not why you asked him that.

Yep, I just told you why you did something.

Don't get what you're hinting at

It's easy to look town if you don't engage with people, that's why tommy is doing it

It's also easy to interact with everyone to try and look town, what have you been doing that benefits the town as opposed to creating a bunch of " well maybe this could be true maybe that could be true"?

Gimme a break it's my first day in the game and I've been taking a lot of heat

Also just cause I'm not arrogant enough to pretend to have figured out the game on d2 doesn't mean I'm scum lol

wagon on me is pretty weak reasoning but I don't think it's scum driven

Tommy and I are basically driving your wagon. He STARTED your wagon. Tommy is the closest thing you have to a scumread this game. He's got one hand on the fucking wheel. But not scum driven?

I honestly didn't even notice tommy's push cause it's was so weak

you guys actually seem like you believed it, tommy's trying to make himself look useful.

Like look at this

This doesn't follow, though:

tommy looks like scum to me. Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement

You've just said you read Kush as scum. How then can my Kush vote look like an excuse to avoid engagement? And then this:

so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)

Can you give an example of a post that seems towny on the surface, but beneath the surface looks like an excuse to avoid engagement?

Let's have another pop at this slot.

VOTE: Infinity

Bacde, fancy a bandwagon? AlpacaAlpaca, chance to vindicate yourself? JarJar, I assume you still want Scout dead more than Infinity's slot?

And you guys come in and are all like THIS GUY'S POSTS ARE BULLSHIT LYNCH THIS FUCKER

That's the difference between a scum push and a town push.

Is the wagon on me seriously cause you guys don't understand my reads? It would've been laughably easy for me-scum to come in and make a pretty wallpost that summarized the last 50 pages and it would probably just get me townread by a lot of people tbh. But I actually decided to come in and interact with people so I can determine their alignment.

You seem to think the objective of scum is to look town.

It is not.

It pretty much is on d2

I agree I've been playing like shit today, but that doesn't make me scum

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It's also easy to interact with everyone to try and look town

By the way I very much disagree with this, interactions are why in real life mafia it takes a lot less time to figure out who scum are than online

PEdit: Yup it's true

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Maybe "I forgot about tommy's push" would be better wording

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Tommy wasn't trying to make himself useful. That action actually was useful.

Lemme just ask you, do most townies who start a bandwagon act like that

Shit, is what's I'm noticing just a personality tell and I'm reading to much into this?

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Now what are you going to do?

Try to figure out the game for realz, rn I'm doing some VCA so I'll get back to you with that in a bit

Also I'm in the middle of going over ISO's so I should have a readwall by tomorrow

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Now what are you going to do?

Try to figure out the game for realz, rn I'm doing some VCA so I'll get back to you with that in a bit

Also I'm in the middle of going over ISO's so I should have a readwall by tomorrow

b-by tomorrow?

that would imply you hope to live past today........

If you actually think it's correct to lynch someone based on the posts they make in 1 day that's laughable

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VC 1.12

Votecount 1.12

[0] Tommy
[1] Raskolnikov - Lowell
[2] drmyshottyizsik - Dunnstral, AlpacaAlpaca
[0] Lowell
[1] Dunnstral - drmyshottyizsik
[1] Zachstralkita - inspectorscout
[0] nnn_thekushmountains
[2] AlpacaAlpaca - Trivium, Raskolnikov
[0] Transcend
[2] JarJarDrinks - Bacde, Transcend
[1] Trivium - Tommy
[2] inspectorscout - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): nnn_thekushmountains

With 13 alive, 7 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-10 16:30:00)

drmyshottyizsik is being lynched today

VC 1.14

Votecount 1.14

[0] Tommy
[0] Raskolnikov

[7] drmyshottyizsik - Dunnstral, AlpacaAlpaca, Tommy, Raskolnikov, Lowell, drmyshottyizsik, nnn_thekushmountains

[LYNCH]

[0] Lowell
[0] Dunnstral
[0] Zachstralkita
[0] nnn_thekushmountains
[0] AlpacaAlpaca
[0] Transcend
[3] JarJarDrinks - Bacde, Transcend, inspectorscout
[0] Trivium
[2] inspectorscout - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): Trivium

Majority has been reached.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-10 16:30:00)

Ok so we have the speed shotty wagon which literally went from 2 votes to a lynch in 1 day. There's probably scum on it.

I suspect dunn and alpaca the least because they were voting shotty for a while. My slot is town, shotty is town obv, and lowell's posts look genuine plus his personality is disposed to speedwagons anyway.

That would mean one or both of {rask, tommy} is scum

Next up at the start of d2 it takes a long time to get a wagon going. It's possible that scum just weren't voting, but given the absence of my slot and the amount of conflict going on in the thread it would makes sense that it would take a while.

Seeking replacement for nnn_thekushmountains if he doesn't post within the next 25 minutes

VC 2.9

Votecount 2.9

[0] Tommy
[0] Raskolnikov

[5] Lowell - JarJarDrinks, Raskolnikov, AlpacaAlpaca, Trivium, Zachstralkita

[L-1]

[0] Zachstralkita
[1] nnn_thekushmountains - Tommy
[2] AlpacaAlpaca - Lowell, Transcend
[0] Transcend
[1] JarJarDrinks - Bacde
[0] Trivium
[1] inspectorscout - inspectorscout
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): nnn_thekushmountains

With 11 alive, 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-17 18:30:00)

Seeking replacement for nnn_thekushmountains

VC 2.10

Votecount 2.10

[0] Tommy
[0] Raskolnikov
[2] Lowell - Raskolnikov, AlpacaAlpaca
[0] Zachstralkita
[1] nnn_thekushmountains - Tommy
[2] AlpacaAlpaca - Lowell, Transcend
[0] Transcend
[1] JarJarDrinks - Bacde
[1] Trivium - inspectorscout
[3] inspectorscout - Zachstralkita, Trivium, JarJarDrinks
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): nnn_thekushmountains

With 11 alive, 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-17 18:30:00)

Then we have the lowell wagon. It took a while to start up but as bacde mentioned a while ago, it took roughly 2 seconds to die down. (Though everyone who hopped off hopped onto the scout wagon, no one returned to lowell after so it's still suspicious).

So then we have one of {trivium, jarjar, zach} is likely scum, I think jarjar is the most likely of the three.

Scout wagon, not much more to mention here except tommy's opportunistic vote.

I'm headed to dinner now, should have the readwall by tonight or tomorrow. Pls don't lynch me thx

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I also wanted to comment on jarjar's jump onto my wagon, he seemed to think I was scum but waited until zach voted to vote himself.

Seems like too obvious of a scum mistake to make but he also did that in other places throughout the thread.

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Hi I'm back

Why didn't you call me scum for that zach

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Fuck a readwall I'm just gonna post some thoughts as I go.

I like listening to dead people so here's what I got.

Dunn thought alpaca, trivium, and were scum EoD1 and he was least sure of alpaca.

Everyone was writing off trivium as the VI, and so was I until now. But take a look at these quotes

Spoiler: is this the VI?

Though... thinking about it I might be focusing too much on the fact that transcend is mafia. I mean, what if I'm wrong? I might be... but probably not. But if I'm wrong everything I know will unravel at the seams.

Trivium, I think you're confirmation biased bro

Maybe a little and I'm starting to get paranoid about that as well. As I said if transcend isn't scum I'll have to re-evaluate lots of stuff

The paranoia from both scout and trivium is very town

See, this is what pisses me off. Looking like town isn't enough, and I don't even know if you're scum or not, so I don't know if that even matters. I have to be able to figure out who scum is and know things. To be honest I have next to no clue who scum is and that makes me anxious.

This is way too smart to be the VI, and it puts me on edge.

His jump onto raskol after dunn took his vote off seems opportunistic, like he doesn't want to miss his chance to jump on a wagon. He didn't even note that dunn had unvoted in that post.


Again, votes dunn when there's a wagon starting on him

Post 542, keeping his options open

Grills drmyshotty without voting, it is a coincidence that that's the only wagon that went to lynch?

Jumps on scout wagon twice.

Usually when town says these type of things they don't change their mind, yet you don't see trivium tunnelling alpaca do you now

Yeeaaah Blueyoshi is 100% scum, burn me at the stake if he isn't.

His reads are too confident for him to keep flip-flopping on them, and he's too smart for this to just be VIness. Something's gotta give.

So if we somehow get a flash wagon on trivium, basically I'm saying it has my full support.

PEdit: That post seemed to assume I was town

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Dunn thought alpaca, trivium, and were scum EoD1 and he was least sure of alpaca.

This is supposed to say "and shotty"

The point I'm trying to get at but didn't finish is why would scum kill someone who's right on none of their scumreads. WIFOM doesn't make sense cause I'm the only person that does this anyway.

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I also grilled drmy without voting.

Where

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What if I said trivium was buddying you zach

I didn't read enough to know if this is the case but does it make sense to you

PEdit: Yeah but he was a town leader and if he kept leading town in the wrong direction then scum could just win off that

You only need a certain amount of mislynches anyway

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hey infinity i have a question

you took post #1337 which is LEET. it has a string of quotes that suggest trivium is mafia, but i've confidently tr'd him all game. if i take my time to read it will my time be wasted?

[] yes
[] no
[] maybe
[] applesauce

select one

if you answer yes and it's garbage i will permavote you for making such a bad use of post #1337.

I think it's a good case that's why I made it

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By the way I think what is considered "towny tone" is more of a personality tell than anything else.

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Also if it makes you feel better I also had a townread on trivium the whole game up until this point.

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Fuck I chose terrible quotes to prove trivium is smart

I think you guys will get the point anyway

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@Trivium if you're somehow town instead of whining about how it's impossible to defend against that case I want you to give me a detailed read on Zach, myself, and tommy please.

PEdit: [x] yes
[] no
[] maybe
[] applesauce

Just read the case ok

PEdit 2: what are you referencing with that zach

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Also transcend I want to know why you wanted your top scumread to tell you whether he should try and convince you someone else is scum when he is in danger of being lynched

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Where do you guys go

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did*

I'm just going to go to sleep if no one else is here

I need to interact with some people to read them, thoughts on everyone else will come tomorrow.

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I don't support the infinity wagon. I've liked his entry
...
distance from his scumpartner, infinity

I think you're town and like this post except for that part how about you vote trivium with me

Here, I'll start the wagon off for you

UNVOTE:
VOTE: trivium

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It's the old " townread the person trying to kill me so he townreads me "

ya you didnt think i remember when john proctor did that back in the first mafia we had in 1860 in salem? nt

what are you referencing with that zach

Answer this pls

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Why do you say we have 3 weeks first of all

Second of all, if you don't think triv is scum, I would like to know your opinion on him as a player.

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As I said before I don't like tone as a tell. I've seen a lot of scums with towny tones and a lot of towns with scummy tones.

I don't really see paranoid and stubborn going together. That's part of why I scumread him.

Also i only wanted to vote if I thought the wagon would get any support

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Like why would have made me more town if I voted in post #LEET

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Lowell get the fuck back here and vote trivium

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Also explain how I am both town and trivium's scumbuddy pls

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The fact that i read almost everyone as town clearly means I was off on some reads. So I decided to re-evaluate everything.

I said I was gonna do some research, part of that involved ISOing trivium and part of it involved finding dunn's reads before he died. Since I read too many people as town, I decided to change my mindset and start looking at what players were doing from a scum mindset. Trivium's ISO fit particularly well with that.

PEdit: I re-ISOed jarjar and I think he's town because his wagon-hopping is too obvious to be scum and because he's not afraid to say what he thinks. I also found myself agreeing with a lot of what he said.

I think jarjar is an example of a townie with a scummy tone

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I won't blame you for that.

Meanwhile I think you're town.

Will you be on this afternoon? I wanna try and find the other scums but we're running out of time

Also here's just where I'm at with reads atm, I think being transparent will help get votes off me and onto potential scums

Bacde - need to interact with him
Zach - still not sure, need to ISO him
Tommy - lean scum, what I accused him of maybe be a personality tell and I liked his last post but then again he might just be avoiding engagement cause he's scum. Still don't like the opportunistic votes
Jarjar - Town cause his wagon hopping is too obvious to be scum and because he's blunt and because i agree with a lot of what he says
Transcend - Town cause his interactions with me seem like he's genuinely trying to figure me and shit out
Rask - need to interact with him
Lowell - lean town cause posts read genuine and says what he thinks.
Triv - scum cause he's too smart to just vote on all the wagons that pop up. I think he might be playing dumb a little
Inspector - town cause frustration reads town and waffling seems genuine
Alpaca - classic noob town

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Transcend you have to promise me that if I get lynched you will take into account my reads

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By the way transcend, I want you to skim over this ISO, look at the role the player is, then tell me tone tells are valuable

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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I'm going to bed, night everyone

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Inf said JarJar was scum 2 pages ago. I'm assuming something changed in the 2 pages and 2 posts that JarJar made since then?

I ISO'ed him again. Please read my posts thanks

please unvote infinity

Yes, thank you

I'm just gonna ignore what infinity said about me giving detailed reads on people because I don't like doing work and actually looking into stuff and I think I already gave my opinion on all of them. Thanks for saying I'm smart. That's a big change from what people have been saying. See, I'm actually intelligent*, I'm just not good at this game. Infinity might be scum. IT's a case of him doing some things I think are towny and some I think are scummy. And... after so much time, I'm townreading transcend. So yeah, I'm re-evaluating... everything. Tommy is probably scum

At least give one opinion and a reason on zach cause you haven't mentioned him almost the whole game

Also transcend dude having bad posts doesn't make you scummy, especially for noobs. This is classic noob town btw VVV

Ok its good to know for later games that reading everyone as null with some +s and -s is super scummy I wasn't aware I was just playing around with different scales, usually I use a scale of 1-10 towniness so I suppose I will stick with that.

I stand by impulsive hammering isn't safe for town and whether or not he will do it again isn't something that I want answered in lylo, both me and you have no idea if he will do it again so better safe than sorry.

I will try and be more assertive and committed with my votes since apparently being wary isn't a play style its a scum tactic, the more you know.

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Like I read blueyoshi and too scummy to be scum, like he's not even trying to hide the fact that he's indecisive and stuff. Scum wanna pretend to be useful.

I pinkie promise the slot is town, half my mafia experience comes from reading noobs. If I should know anything, it's that.

If I die I want you guys to treat inspector and alpaca as conf town for d3 ok

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Alpaca is town.

Why do you think I'm town

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Triv - scum cause he's too smart to just vote on all the wagons that pop up. I think he might be playing dumb a little

So you think that he is too smart to hop on every wagon, but you townread Transcend for doing it, and you still think Triv is playing dumb?

Jarjar's wagon hopping was a lot more obvious than triv's. Plus the main reasons I town read jarjar are cause he says what he thinks and because I agree with a lot of what he's said.

PEdit: Rask are you trying to white knight me bro

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Ok scum found

UNVOTE:
VOTE: raskol

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Did you ever voice your thoughts about trivium pretending to be VI cause I don't remember seeing that

PEdit: All 3 are town imo. Don't like how you didn't even comment on my vote.

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Also what made you change your opinion on trivium

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Why does he keep vote hopping then

It looks to me like he keeps changing his scum reads even though he's confident in them.

The random "yes" felt awkward to me

Why should I town read you rask

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All right I think that's all I'm gonna get out of you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: trivium

Basically I got nowhere and you're still null to me. That probably means you're scum by PoE to be honest.

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So I had some stuff about rask before and I didn't want to post it until I interacted with him, so here it is

Rask - I didn't like her reaction to the tunnel in post 35. Push on drmy seems a bit opportunistic but not sure about that. The vote on Zach doesn't seem to come from scum tho. And the defenses in 112 and 123 read genuine. Don't like how his posts start getting less scummy when pressure's off though. Questioning of Zach in 155 is kinda filler and almost like he knows Zach is town, but that reasoning is kinda weak. The jump on and off tommy (which happens twice) in addition to rask accepting tommy's defenses too easily, means they could be scumbuddies-- something to look into once we get a flip. I like 220 but catchup posts are usually NAI. I also don't like how rask argues with transcend but neither calls into question the other's alignment-- another thing to look into once we have a scum flip. (Note: I don't think the scum team is rask trans tommy cause that's too much bussing too early). The bored attitude reads as town to me.

Overall this reads null lean town in a vaccuum, if tommy or transcend flips scum I would lynch this.

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I dunno. I kind of town read inspectorscout purely from his questioning and stuff, but I don't quite trust him.

VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.

I'm putting this here just to say trivium didn't scumread inspector the whole game

Tommy made some good points about trivium-town, but I think the townslip could be faked and the switching of opinions could be just scum trying to figure out what will make him look better.

If someone was to summarize the case on me in 1 sentence what would it be

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I don't think contractinging yourself is a scumtell it's more of a personality tell tbh but if you guys think so that's fine

I'm getting less and less concerned with the fact that I might be lynched with a deadline approaching and the increasing feeling that I know nothing about mafia

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In what way zach, I'm very interested to hear thoughts on rask. Mainly cause I can't read him

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A couple more things I don't like about trivium

I'm sure that if I was lynched you would be among the people to say "Well he deserved it he was obviously scum"

I might be stretching but this might be a scumslip

I agree with Tommy that kush's quick hammering was- wait, I scumread tommy. God damnit

"Damn I was supposed to be scumreading this guy, now I can't come up with a good reason to join the wagon"

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I'm a VT.

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I honestly think you guys think I'm scum cause my posting style is weird and cause scum are doing a really good job at looking town

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Wait do you think I'm town now

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I think we should lynch tommy or trivium.

Note for future: It may not be a coincidence that I keep thinking zach is talking to me as though he knows I'm town.

PEdit: Oh god way too many town wagons

What if every single wagon this game has been on town

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obvious reaction test is obvious

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Sorry dude obv mod would've had to come in

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I'm starting to think reaction tests are just a bad idea. None of them ever work pretty much.

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It's ok we probably aren't lynching scum today anyway

It would take nothing short of a miracle to do that

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I think we should use every day we have though cause we certainly need it.

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What kinda question is that

Honestly even if you guys think I'm scum you should wait until the last day to hammer

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Cause we get more time to discuss

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Note for future: It may not be a coincidence that I keep thinking zach is talking to me as though he knows I'm town.

VOTE: infinity

Transcend you idiot

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Oh my god you got me in a reaction test this time. I'm an idiot.

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I'd much rather lynch tommy or triv than rask

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What are you trying to do here transcend

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Are you saying it's faked or something

Transcend I think you're trying to lynch me cause of a tone thing but that was the exact same reason i thought you were scum at the beginning of the game.

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I mean the beginning of the game

Transcend, how do you know I'm forcing lines if not for my tone

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^^ look at this scumfuck's opportunistic voting

PEdit: I'm really tired and for some reason forgot you were voting me. It's not even a towntell because scum don't usually claim when they're hammered anyway.

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Yep that scum is you triv

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Why did you vote me with no reasoning triv

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Trivium explain your vote on me randomly when you said I was null before, thanks

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inf, why does his reasoning for the vote matter if he's wrong anyway?

I wanna see if he's BSing me

I always feel like scum will more often claim a power role to delay their lynch triv

If this is the only reason you think I'm town then I don't even

PEdit: I like where this analysis is going zach

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IN INFINITY'S OWN WORDS , SCUM TEND TO NOT CLAIM WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED

what

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I meant scum don't claim scum AFTER the hammer

Fuck me I'm too tired

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What I was trying to say is that I wouldn't say "welp, you guys got me" even if I was scum and I thought transcend's vote was a hammer

PEdit: What's that unvote for

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hahahahaha

I bought the fake hammer as a hammer and didn't see the actual hammer

Unless you guys are just fucking with me again

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I forgive you

Don't forget about tommy is the only thing. I actually think trivium is town now.

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Also please don't lynch alpaca or inspector when I'm gone. Thanks

PEdit: Nope I'm town bro

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Yeah infinity what is your problem you know your entire life was pretty much just TRIV IS NOT AN IDIOT HE'S A FUCKING MASTERMIND and while I thank you for that I still think it was pretty dumb and an empty compliment so.... sorry but really maybe not.

What are you trying to say here

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Yeah I'm sorry guys, i tried to figure out the game but failed.

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That means I officially accomplished nothing this game. Fml.

PEdit: Yeah cause I was confirmation biased cause I had too many townreads, forcing myself to see everyone else as scum.

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Too many very strong townreads*

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rask, tommy, and jarjar (though the last one is by far the weakest)

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If either alpaca or scout is scum I will quit mafia.

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Thank you.

At least I don't feel like everything I did was useless.

If I just nailed the scumteam there that would be so hilariously ironic.

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Transcend what would you do if after all this I flipped scum.

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So here's another one of my weird theories

Maybe scum are so good that none of them ever got a wagon on them

In which case that would leave exactly 3 people, bacde, zach, and trivium as scum.

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I just wanna see bacde's reaction when he gets back cause he knew me from like 3 years ago and it's a hilarious coincidence that he said "i wanna hear what the kush's replacement has to say"

hi bacde

PEdit: It's fine that's probably not correct but look into those people if you

really

can't find scum

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I think the acting of being here after a hammer is probably a towntell but not sure.

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Dude we at least would have more time to talk stuff over did you not see me say that

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Trivium out of curiosity why did you vote me

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Is that a scumpost bois?

I love being confirmed town so no one can accuse me of waffling

Although zach did too

Basically I feel like town wouldn't feel the need to apologize and take responsibility for something that was jarjar's fault

Reasoning is pretty shit too

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Anyway we've got rask, tommy, and third scum is in {jarjar, trivium, zach} (prolly not zach)

The fact that trivium brought up the last part is what kinda made me go ehhh but I think triv-scum might say it even if it's true

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Bacdeeeee wazzup

I'm flipping town, sorry to say

Also you better read the thread cause I've been here and scumhunting in twilight lel

Are u scum yourself?

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I'm nomming you for a scummy transcend

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You just singlehandedly gave me a crapton of paranoia about my scum hunting abilities ;(

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It's a site award

Good job, you certainly deserve it.

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I feel better about losing given that transcend was scum cause I think he would've survived till the end anyway no matter what I did ]

But I definitely could've played a lot better all around.

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Yeah good job all of you.

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I think that may be a good idea. Scum are sometimes just as likely to pick up on crumbs as a lot of townies

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But also you have to give tommy a lot of credit for catching you