Mini 1798: Greatest Idea (Game Over)

[Radiant Moonlight]

Right now you, but not typical scum, more likely Jester or Lyncher like Alchemist suggested.

Confused.

*blinks*

Why are you already thinking that he's lyncher/jester and not groupscum?

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Sircakez

RC head thinks that Cakey would never pick town over scum here.

Baah.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Titus you were wrong. SirCakez was town.

[Radiant Moonlight]

They disappeared when Yume was being wagoned
They are both normally incredibly active players but are lurking here

Just these two things alone are fantastic evidence

Titus head has been ill making it harder to sync up.

Neither of these two players are this passive or non participatory as town. Something is wrong.
VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

It's called Titus is ill. You know scum Titus engages as well. She only mentions Newbie 1388 obsessively.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Alright, and what's your logic there?

They threw away compulsive child killer, and claimed Miller.

For them to be town, they have to have received three shitty roles, and the odds favor them being scum and fakeclaiming Miller.

This is inaccurate.

the fact that I discarded a town role makes me confirmed town, because it means I definitely had the option of being town.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Titus you were wrong. SirCakez was town.

Why do you say that?

Titus insisted on that phrasing. She's not subtle and wanted to apologize for her very likely incorrect push on SirCakez.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Then why would you act like lurking is AI for Titus?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Yes, we are not claiming at this time. The group is better off if we do not.

Something was wrong. Titus being ill is not a good thing.

How do you feel about Rat suddenly 180ing on his read on you when a wagon on him took off, SirCakez?

Mod: Do lovers have a chat? Is werewolf lover possible?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Yume is a strong jailkeep target because we lynch her in 3/4 way anyway.

Picking up alt slip.

As for my cards, I had

Werewolf Supersaint
Town One Shot Unlynchable
Alien Psychotrooper

I chose Werewolf as my alignment, and One Shot Unlynchable as my ability.

Why do you think you haven't been lynched? You're claimed scum.

Also, answering why requires claiming.

Yes, there were three posts. Day lasted less than 72 hours. Trying to sell that as AI, really?

[Radiant Moonlight]

RC has a strong meta townread on Cakey so we're going with that for now.

Great job on Yume. Vodka shots all around.

The counterwagons between our slot and RR feel really weird. Can I get some input on what's happened thus far, especially from Ranger? Thanks.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

We have to take him at his word about being a Mason Lover (the complete package). He's already said he's the only mason.

It's an easy claim to buy, because he just threw it out there with no fear.

If he was scum, he'd have been taking a ginormous risk of an actual Mason cc'ing him.

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him.

Agreed. Cakez is confirmed town, to both our heads.

I'll grab from the first game. I don't see why anyone would want that but whatever.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Werewolf One-Shot PGO
Lover
Mafia Compulsive Hider

Those were our choices. We picked mafia PGO for game 1.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'm not opposed to lynching Fate, but I'm not done with RM yet.

The day has only just begun, we don't need to worry about who's swinging yet.

VOTE: Radical Rat

When is the proper time for caring who swings?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

Who are the lovers? You're assuming they tried to kill him.

[Radiant Moonlight]

If we assume Cakey is telling the truth about his role, then he's not a werewolf, since Werewolf Lover is (for some reason) one of the "impossible" combinations according to the Wiki page.

RC, are you going to give Ranger your round-one cards, or are you going to ignore that request?

We don't have to take Cakes at his word about being a Lover. Ranger outed the members d1.

I agree that Cakez is town. Just trying to make sure we have no stone unturned.

Titus wanted me to tell you that if you keep pushing to turn over this stone, she'll beat you over the head with it. She's not subtle.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

Who are the lovers? You're assuming they tried to kill him.

Ranger, Katsuki, and Cakez.

I think they targeted Ranger over Cakez because Ranger caught scum d1.

I don't think they targeted the lovers at all. No solid evidence there. Just Titus theory I am running with.

[Radiant Moonlight]

If I was alive tonight, I'd target Alchemist.

He's my primary suspect for scum aside from Fate, but Fate needs to go.

Don't want this overlooked.

I got your back on Alchemist here. Let's see what he is.

I can pressure Fate tomorrow, RC willing.

~Titus

VOTE: RR

[Radiant Moonlight]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

Who are the lovers? You're assuming they tried to kill him.

Ranger, Katsuki, and Cakez.

I think they targeted Ranger over Cakez because Ranger caught scum d1.

I don't think they targeted the lovers at all. No solid evidence there. Just Titus theory I am running with.

When Titus gets here I'd like her to explain why they wouldn't target them.

Titus can you answer this?

Scum in the lovers OR desperation ploy to break strong town core.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Dayvig not in lovers suggests scum in lovers.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Alchemist is confirmed town.

There's likely scum in the lovers. (Otherwise why wouldn't RR take a guaranteed triple kill?)

I think the same thing that happened yesterday happened today. Haha scum.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

RC is still super busy but will be able to catch up and start being a presence on the 21st.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Also, I doubt all the Lovers are scum. Ranger was willing to make a sacrifice to kill scum, why aren't you? Maybe because you're said scum.

Definitely scum in lovers. That group has to die by lylo.

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Dr. Pepper

This needs pressure.

~Titus (all posts until the 21st default to Titus).

[Radiant Moonlight]

So RL works for why you weren't posting and have a shitty vote pattern but RL for us is something to be pressured. Right?

What interactions did you have with RR and Yume?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Yeah, you dislike the push on the lovers. You both immediately vote me despite being the counterwagon to scum. Let me lay out how this works.

Scum are in the lovers so they cannot be lynched (proven by RR not dayvigging the lovers).
Alchemist cannot be lynched.
House's clear cannot be lynched.

PoE that means scum can only push me, Fate or Dr. Pepper.

Given two failed kills, I will bet I absorbed at least one, given that I strongly implied I was an investigative PR.

How am I doing so far? Annoying you yet?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I don't even remember Katsuki being in this game.

They're a lover too.

[Radiant Moonlight]

And therefore the scum lover? Because I don't think it's Ranger and it's definitely not Cakey.

I haven't hard cleared Ranger. It makes a lot of sense for Ranger to shoot me considering she knows I won't let her lack of participation slide.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Forgot massive in 545.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Cakey, I love you. I don't mind pressuring Fate tomorrow.

Massive, can I hang at your place tonight? I really want to.

[Radiant Moonlight]

(The last post is not a lover crumb. I realize in hindsight it could be taken as such.)

[Radiant Moonlight]

RM is town.

Let's talk about Ranger. If you don't think she's town, then the whole "first round role card" thing was just busy work -- but ended up outing Yume. Granted Yume was a pretty early responder, but does Ranger-scum do this without at least having her partners have straight answers? I just don't see Ranger-scum in all of this.

That's the type of question that shouldn't need to be coached. Everyone should just reply honestly. It should have been a busy work question. Look at Ranger's ISO though. There's an admission that Yume scumslipped, yet zero vote on Yume. Instead, Ranger pushes someone and then jumps to RR. RR can get full utility of his role if wagoned. Yume might not.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ranger would have to be an Alien if she's scum.

Dr. Pepper and Katsuki I could both vote. It's pretty obv RM is an investigative.

VOTE: Dr. Pepper

I don't see why Ranger can't be mafia lover?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I don't think it was deliberate exposure. I think Yume's slip was unplanned. Regardless of alignment, everyone should have answered honestly.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'm with y'all on not lynching the lovers today (which is part of the reason I opened with pressure on Dr. Pepper and not Ranger). If if we lynch Dr. Pepper, the game is pretty much broken in almost all scenarios. Investigating the lovers is a low payoff play at the moment. The fact there's scum in the lovers protects them and especially Cakey.

[Radiant Moonlight]

There's only a few where it isn't.

[Radiant Moonlight]

@Ranger, there's zero motivation to lynch in the lovers. If we get to only scum in the lovers, scum either lose or auto draw. Within 2 days maximum, we eliminate the possibility of any mafia outside the lovers. Plus, if we're wrong, scum will have to take action against the lovers. We are not voting lovers today.

Now, your reads please.

What did Fate claim? Alch is not claiming. Dr. pepper is already wagoned to claim. Why are you fishing for Alch's claim.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Why don't you want me to claim Ranger?

[Radiant Moonlight]

How is Fate townies than Alchemist?

[Radiant Moonlight]

You had a reason for the conclusion. What was it, Ranger?


@Fate, Nope. Thanks for confirming the correct lynch for tomorrow is you.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Oh and the votes do likely confirm my MOONLOGIC theory is accurate. Not bad Hmmph.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Unvote Pepper, this day CAN NOT END without a claim from RM

You're going to have to justify that scumfuck.

[Radiant Moonlight]

We claim 2-Shot Annie.

Is there a problem, sir?

[Radiant Moonlight]

@Cakey, RC is toying w Fate.

We aren't claiming until Fate justifies the request as he's likely scum and my townreads want it.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Okay, but seriously.

We are

3-Shot Annie

.

[Radiant Moonlight]

The meme was aimed at Fate asking if you two were ascetic, not at RC's 2-shot annie claim lol

My bad.

Fate can justify his Rolefish or not. No sweat off my back.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Okay, but seriously.

We are

3-Shot Annie

.

I love you RC. You are my better half when it comes to taunting scum. Fate is playing into my MoonLogic well.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Miller is not an alignment fate.

Still, your questioning matters for not.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ive claimed Conspiracy Theorist

clearly I targeted you last night

are you an ascetic or not? jfc

So you got no result. Good your claim is locked in.

Now, we're lynching your buddy.

P.s. miller is not an alignment.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Well, there's the hammer on Dr. Pepper, you can resign now Fate.

Massive, let's get drunk. My treat.

[Radiant Moonlight]

*miller is the card I choose for alignment

p.s. learn to fucking grammar

And you conviently claimed Miller to avoid investigation, sure man.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Need to talk things through with my other mafia half before we claim.

Thanks Massive for being a gracious host but bring your own vodka next time.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Oh to be clear, massive is confirmed town.

Only Fate and the lovers can be mafia.

VOTE: Fate

[Radiant Moonlight]

Is scum choosing to nokill or something ROFL
Anyway
VOTE: Fate

Nope. They probably tried to kill us.

We have three lynches and that's all we need.

Fate/Lovers and if the game is ongoing iro

[Radiant Moonlight]

I wonder why Fate hadn't checked iraonavp.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Unvote:

uh when did Cakes become confirmed town?

Really though, about that massclaim

Since Day 2.

I spit on your scummy massclaim good sir.

Hammerbusses are a thing.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I really don:t see how RM is more cleared than me, I was looking up the roles earlier but I couldn:t seem to find it, but I could:ve sworn there was a Bulletproof Ascetic role

That's because you have a scum PM.

In case your town, the whole scum trying to counter me twice and getting pulverised both times and my solid town results might have something to do with it.

Why haven't you voted me? You want to rolefish why the kill failed don't you?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Fate/Lovers and if the game is ongoing iro

Actually, it should be, in order:
-Lynch us, the lovers.
-Fate checks iraonavp, who was House's cop clear.
-Lynch Fate.
-If game's not over, lynch you, because you've cleared massive and iraonavp is clear.
That's the most optimal order anyway.

VOTE: Katsuki.
I can be persuaded to vote Fate, but again, I think this order is technically superior.

Nope.

It's lynch Fate.

You think I'm town? We lynch Fate.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Oh before Titus smacks me over the head, after Fate we lynch the lovers. Unless of course, we die. Then lynch iraonvp. Unless they're dead.

[Radiant Moonlight]

We both agree that we should not be lynching the lovers. If we were, the proper play is to vote SirCakez to avoid any powers scum can possibly have.

Right now, Fate and iraonvp are the best lynches. iraonvp has a semi-clear from House. That leaves Fate.

Fate is the most upset about failing to visit me. Scum have attempted to wagon us after failing to kill and confirming town. Who is whining about conftown? Fate.

Let's lynch him.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I agree with SirCakez.

While the likelihood of there being scum in the lovers is high, lynching in Fate or iraonvp is a game solving maneuver if you've figured out our role.

If the game doesn't end with a Fate lynch, we'll have the rest of the game essentially mapped out.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You joined on a wagon on me, with known scum, right after several nightkills failed and opened with a rolefish. You also cannot figure out why your kills failed. You start suggesting that I'm ascetic. You whine about me clearing people and start speculating Fate.

Massive said my role is deducible.

So, why are you so upset about me living and confirming people as town. There's about a zero chance of me winning the game as scum and I was counterwagoned twice.

Either fight me or actually vote iraonvp. Those are your choices. Those choices being lynched 100% will win the game within 2 additional game phases (barring absurd cults).

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'm not 100% you're scum either. It's all down to the math and numbers at this point. iraonvp is a crappy lynch due to House's clear, and I can solve whether he's an alien.

Lynching the lovers involves lynching confirmed town and there's zero guarantee there's scum in the lovers. They should not be lynched until there is no other possibility for scum to be in. Plus, scum might remove the problem for us.

[Radiant Moonlight]

That suggests, but doesn't confirm scum in the lovers.

I'd rather have SirCakez around to bounce ideas off of. After we lynch you, the scum are in an impossible situation, regardless of your alignment.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Meh, ZOMG Fate didn't respond in two seconds while I had the opportunity to post in other games. RC was great. Now you get Drunk Titus to hammer the message home.

My investigative trumps yours. Mine doesn't fail. Ever.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Fate, I'm not opposed to a iraonavp wagon after that post and the total absence yesterday. By the numbers, he's less likely to be scum, but that post is total shit. He's not scumhunting and hasn't since we determined him to be "not mafia".

[Radiant Moonlight]

The lovers were outed day 1. It shows you are paying jack attention to the game at best, which makes me give like no shits if you die. We just need to lynch you or Fate to autolock victory at this point, so you should probably start giving a few reads and being townie.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Who are the lovers?

RadiantMoonlight, you should claim already. I trust you less than I trust Fate, anyway.

I think you are just saying false things about how the town-aligned players will automatically win if they lynch Fate, when it isn't actually true, and just hoping nobody questions you.

Shit, someone questioned me. Plans fell apart. Need more shots.

Whose drinking with me?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hydra partner is cheating. Messaged me about switching vote to Iraonavp right before he voted us.

Baah.

VOTE: iraonavp

[Radiant Moonlight]

Let's do this. We can check Fate tonight. Fate's actually appearing to try this game.


~Drunk Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Nobody's arguing drunk is townie dude.

How are you trying really? OMGUS?

[Radiant Moonlight]

1) We literally just finished saying that we were looking at lynching you first because we didn't like your play.
2) Mafia is only one scum faction and unless scum shot at us repeatedly it's not in play.
3) Your current maneuvering reeks of you being desperate since you've realized you can't win without lynching us.

[Radiant Moonlight]

@Massive, Wrong on two fronts. iraonvp can be a non killing scum faction, like alien, or a godfather

No lynch is not the answer. The longer we take, the greater odds of me dying before total game break.

I want you me and Cakey alive in case of Ranger AND Katsuki being scum.

[Radiant Moonlight]

The only way to avoid that issue is lynch the lovers. Even then, that's only an issue if both Ranger AND Katsuki are scum.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Yes.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You're

this close

to forcing me to claim and triggering massclaim massive.

[Radiant Moonlight]

All you've done is remove the optimal play massive by putting a neon sign for scum. If I didn't have a clear on you, I'd be scumreading you for it.

[Radiant Moonlight]

stop it massive.

we are lynching iraonavp today. end story

[Radiant Moonlight]

>not mafia
>proven townie

stop.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Fate, anyone who isn't 100% clear is an eligible investigation target for me.

[Radiant Moonlight]

ok RM's role is obvious I just literally needed to think about it for one second

Then we should probably be massclaiming... :/ Was trying to avoid this considering scum appeared to be dumb.

[Radiant Moonlight]

@Massive,

No lynch is absolutely terrible if you're worried about double death. It just narrows down the pool of death.

@Fate,

Situationally, you're still not a terrible lynch from my PoV. iraonvp is just much much worse. Then there's the lovers which block MOST but not all two scum scenarios.

[Radiant Moonlight]

if Im reading your role pm right you only clear for mafia unless theres a special clause for Greatest Idea ______s

Nope. I clear for any not town.

[Radiant Moonlight]

We'll start with iraonvp and popcorn.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Oh that role gg
I think I might have been wrong on Fate >.<

Yeah if it's one scum gg but like playing with a loaded gun if there are two.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Great, I claim, you're joking. Popcorn you.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Everyone but you has deduced my role. Is it really plausible that you picked VT over cop lover?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Fate should investigate Massive so we can verify that he's not ascetic since that's about the only way for us to lose this.

Can someone remind me who the lovers are? Thanks.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Okay.

So yeah, lynch Ira, fate checks Massive, we hide behind Fate, and we win unless it's Ranger/Katsuki and they still have a nightkill.

[Radiant Moonlight]

No and silly Titus conftown don't claim in a mass claim.

Ranger and Katsuki only...

[Radiant Moonlight]

The plan is subject to change depending on claims but yes, we're unlockable unmurderable bloodhound in a way.

So Fate wasn't wrong when he said ascetic but not right either.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Let's wait until mass claim is done before planning. A scum lynch today = autowin.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You didn't figure it out...

[Radiant Moonlight]

Guys just lynch iraonavp please.

[Radiant Moonlight]

That's a terrible idea. I'm confirmed as town-aligned and you are hiding behind a vague fakeclaim.

Do you think town!Iraonavp lies and claims to be confirmed town? I mean really.

[Radiant Moonlight]

like the bluster is just so, so bad.

[Radiant Moonlight]

99% confirmed when the only alignment you've been confirmed as not being is mafia?

just stooooooooooop...

[Radiant Moonlight]

k we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

vote iraonavp now or we graduate to doing this the hard way.

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Katsuki

Lynching you instead unless you vote IRA with us.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Katsuki, why would you discard innocent child over VT then?

Katsuki is obviously not town here. Yet, his play screams a jester performance to me. If he IS a jester, lynching him causes us to actually be in a situation where we can lose. So...

VOTE: SirCakey

Sorry man.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ira clearly does not actually believe what they're saying.

They are either scum or jester. They only started playing up the jester absurdity when someone else suggested jester as a role.

VOTE: iraonavp

This really, really, really has to go.

[Radiant Moonlight]

What the fuck is wrong with you guys that we haven't lynched iraonavp yet?

Like what in the actual hell is going on?

[Radiant Moonlight]

k.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'm not lynching iraonavp.

Why are you claiming to townread Iraonavp?

Are you actually claiming that Town!Iraonavp believes any of the crap that he's spewing right now about people being confscum?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'm not lynching in the lovers because we're compulsive and that gives Iraonavp a 50% chance of winning if they have a kill.

Not happening. We are lynching Iraonavp or Fate.

[Radiant Moonlight]

(and Ira is a scumfuck soooo)

[Radiant Moonlight]

What if Ranger and Ira are Alien with a kill or Werewolf who kept targetting us together?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I check for non-town. this has been said in thread before.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Also, what happened to you thinking that I was scum?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I think this flips scum but I also don't think the game's over.

[Radiant Moonlight]

So we hid behind Ranger.

Do we have any confirmation from anyone that Massive is not ascetic because if so we can lynch any of the lovers and autowin.

[Radiant Moonlight]

For the record, we are compulsive hider. We would not have been able to make a nightkill unless we had a partner to do it; and if we did, why did we wait so long?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Really Cakez, we're going to do this here?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Do you think that we're scum?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Jack-of-all-trades
Mafia Compulsive Hider
Mafia Godfather

[Radiant Moonlight]

I am like 95% sure it is Katsuki in some form. Titus and I went round and round on who to hide behind.

Basically, we wound up going for the towniest uncleared person. Ranger pushing themselves to die yesterday and wifom made Ranger the best choice in the rare event of a two scum match up.

Given I have cleared SirCakez and Ranger now, scum in the lovers must be Katsuki.

For Katsuki to be town, massive has to be ascetic. (I don't think that's possible with Fate's checks though).

[Radiant Moonlight]

Umm, what?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I have always preferred playing town to scum. Titus is the reason we picked scum on the first draw, and only because we rolled PGO. I insisted on playing town the second draw.

There is a huge amount of documentation for this.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Because we are both nightkill bait and it's basically a bloodhound investigation potential wise.

JOAT wasn't even in consideration.

[Radiant Moonlight]

The only way Massive could still be scum at this point involves him being an Alien Mass Redirector.

I'm going to take a sec to think this through.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Need a massclaim and all the potential N3 results.

[Radiant Moonlight]

What good is a mafia cop? Lol

[Radiant Moonlight]

Super super longshot but if Massive was alien mass redirector he could still be scum.

Can we get a massclaim with results because it would be nice to have that fully excluded. I mean we're almost certainly not lynching him anyway but it would be nice to not have to think about.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Massive, why'd you choose town and your specific role?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Actually, Katsuki/Massive could have quickhammer for the win.

I'm about ready to vote Katsuki but I'd actually rather not vote Katsuki.

Can we vote one of the other lovers?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Anyway, I'm good to lynch in lovers. Titus can sort things out from here.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ok. If that's the case, barring a RM/massive werewolf team, RC is cleared. Only scenario for massive to be scum right now would be if he were ascetic fakeclaiming night actions?

Gonna think about it harder what the possibilities can be but it seems as if we're looking at ranger/cakez scum? :/

Ranger is eliminated by our hide last night. Cakey is eliminated barring you culting him.

If I am town, the only scum must be hider immune. Given hiders cannot be targeted, this means ascetic or redirection that never killed me.

You're just fucked Katsuki.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Does a hider die when hiding behind an
Alien
Lyncher
Jester
Cultist

[Radiant Moonlight]

Nope. Fate got a result on them. Not alien.

VOTE: Katsuki

Time to end this.