Mini 1798: Greatest Idea (Game Over)

[Ranger]

First order of business:
Everyone, and I mean

everyone

, if they didn't do so already, MUST list what their cards were the first draw. In the case of the replacement, ask for your predecessor's cards.
They must also list what they chose, and the resulting discard.
This is a VERY important part of the setup.

Second, following on the first:
My cards were {Wildcard, Conspiracy Theorist, Werewolf Roleblocker}. As I hate being scum, and don't trust the wildcard, I discarded the wildcard and used Conspiracy Theorist for the alignment, producing a town roleblocker.

Third order of business, this is something you're gonna find out anyway when I'm inevitably nightkilled: I have a threesome with Katsuki and SirCakez.

[Ranger]

{RadiantMoonlight}
{iraonavp, SirCakez, massive, DoctorPepper, Yume}
{Fate, Alchemist21, House}
{Radical Rat}
{Katsuki}
Off of discards.

[Ranger]

{RadiantMoonlight, SirCakez}
{iraonavp, massive, DoctorPepper, Yume}
{House, not-me-numbers}
{Fate, Alchemist21}
{Radical Rat}
{Katsuki}

[Ranger]

{RadiantMoonlight, SirCakez}
{iraonavp, massive, DoctorPepper, Yume}
{House, not-me-numbers}
{Alchemist21}
{Radical Rat, Fate}
{Katsuki}

[Ranger]

Yo, House.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, if they didn't do so already, MUST list what their cards were the first draw. In the case of the replacement, ask for your predecessor's cards.
They must also list what they chose, and the resulting discard.
This is a VERY important part of the setup.

I don't care where someone is on my list, I WILL strongarm a lynch on any player that refuses to do this.

[Ranger]

Also,
VOTE: Katsuki.
I know, I'll die for it, and so will SirCakez.

But I don't believe all three lovers are town.

[Ranger]

Stop shitting up the game with irrelevant setup spec that has absolutely nothing to do with the game that we DID roll with.

No.
I have won.
Actually, directly, WON.
This game before.
By forcing every player to answer this when we had a failed reroll.
So,
VOTE: House.
Dead serious.
Explain or die.

[Ranger]

t might just be me rusty, playing my first game in a year or so, but wouldn't the role reveal be ripe for us losing townpowers by way of Nightkills.

Not a role reveal of our CURRENT cards.
(I only did that because I needed to claim.)
A reveal of our FIRST ROLL cards.

[Ranger]

I'd rather you show town just how much you want to shit up d1 with irrelevant garbage.

It's not irrelevant.
It serves a purpose, but it requires full cooperation.
It's also a temporary thing.
Like, two pages, tops, and then we resume.

But if you want to be stubborn, refuse to give information that you so claim is alignment-irrelevant, okay. You can go die.

[Ranger]

Also, persisting in this direction will only result in a mislynch and you still won't get your precious info, which will make d1a total wash.

I can still get my info with only 12/13.
I would still lynch the thirteenth on policy for not complying, because this IS scumhunting for THIS game, and if you can't understand that, it's a fault on your end, not mine, for refusing to comply with a simple question that I see as important even if you do not.

While you're at it, explain how you know scum simply won't lie to obfuscate whatever deductions you're drawing.

One of the main points of this exercise is to

catch

scum lying. If scum lie, they are 100% going to scumclaim because I know how to figure out whether they're lying or not.
If they tell the truth, I get the information I'm after, and I move on.

It's that simple.

[Ranger]

Why did you ignore that simple request?

Simple: because you're asking me something that will be answered anyway.

So far, what I've gathered is:
Ranger: Town Roleblocker
Fate: Town Cop Lover
Doctor Pepper: Town 2x BP

Ideally we get all 10 extra, but I can make this work with less. More's better.

[Ranger]

Why won't you provide the link?

Because I plan to do so AFTER the claims, not before.

Also, pretty sure Yume scumclaimed.
But,
Ranger: Town Roleblocker
Fate: Town Cop Lover
Doctor Pepper: Town 2x BP
Yume: Vengeful Seer (claimed)

[Ranger]

Then explain why and how did I scumclaim?

In due time.

[Ranger]

Ranger: Town Roleblocker
Fate: Town Cop Lover
Doctor Pepper: Town 2x BP
Yume: Vengeful Seer (claimed)
House: Town 1x PGO

UNVOTE: House
VOTE: Katsuki.

[Ranger]

Why did you leave me put?

I missed you.
It happens.

Ranger, who would you vig this instant?

Whoever RC told me to. :P

[Ranger]

Ranger: Town Roleblocker
Fate: Town Cop Lover
Doctor Pepper: Town 2x BP
Yume: Vengeful Seer (claimed)
House: Town 1x PGO
Alchemist21: Town dayvig
SirCakez: Town Vanillaizer

not-me-numbers: Werewolf Conspiracy Theorist
Radical Rat: Werewolf 1x Unlynchable

massive: lyncher/mason

Missing three by my count. I want everyone to chime in before I reveal the results, though I already have what I was looking for.

[Ranger]

For the time being,
VOTE: Radical Rat.
More of a statement than anything else.

[Ranger]

This is a scumclaim.

You're a bit late to the party, House.

I realized that the moment Yume claimed.

I am, however, still waiting on two claims.

iraonavp:

I know you were a replacement, but the mod should still be REQUIRED to tell you your predecessor's cards on the first draw.

Radiant Moonlight:

You still need to give me your picks the first draft.

[Ranger]

{iraonavp, massive, DoctorPepper, House}
{Alchemist21}
{Fate}
{Katsuki}
{Radical Rat}
{Yume}
^I realize SirCakez and Radiant Moonlight are absent.
I'm not sure where to place them at the moment.

[Ranger]

Why massive top tier O.o

Partially, his picks, but this time and last time, partially, his play not looking scummy.

[Ranger]

{iraonavp, massive, DoctorPepper, House}
{Alchemist21}
{Fate}
{Katsuki}
{Radical Rat}

Fate: Town Cop Lover (Disc: Compulsive Childkiller)
House: Town 1x PGO (Disc: 1x Gladiator)
Alchemist21: Town dayvig (Disc: Alien Mass Redirector)
SirCakez: Town Vanillaizer (Disc: Mafia Goon)
Ranger: Town Roleblocker (Disc: WW SuperSaint)
Doctor Pepper: Town 2x BP (Disc: Mafia Fruit Vendor)
Yume: Vengeful Seer (claimed) (Disc: WW 1x PGO)

iraonavp: town or SK (Disc: Werewolf)

Radical Rat: Werewolf 1x Unlynchable (Disc: Bodyguard)
Katsuki: WW Watcher (Disc: Innocent Child)
not-me-numbers: Werewolf Conspiracy Theorist

massive: lyncher/mason (Disc: Werewolf)

RadiantMoonlight: ??? (Disc: Mafia Godfather)

Still want that claim from RadiantMoonlight.

I'll be voting Radical Rat after that though.

[Ranger]

We picked mafia PGO for game 1.

Drat.

I didn't think we'd catch anyone in a lie, but what we had yesterday was seven players claiming their first draw was town: a valid setup, when we knew there was an invalid one.
The only thing is, Yume was one of those seven, so without Yume, we get six.

The wildcard here is iraonavp's slot, since it was either town, or a serial killer, yet the mod did not say which. If it was a serial killer, this still holds. We had, at most, six players choose town, an invalid setup.
If it was town (which the mod won't say), we'd still have a liar between {Fate, House, Alchemist21, SirCakez, Doctor Pepper}. Meaning we would be able to catch a second person beyond Yume in a lie. But Radiant Moonlight, along with others, have claimed not-town on first draw, so it's a lot more iffy.

This does give the other purpose which everyone figured out though: it tells us a little more about which alignment players prefer, and why. We know we probably don't have any liars in the ones picking town, which means they were more likely to pick town again; we know we probably don't have any liars in the ones picking scum, which means they'd be among those more likely to pick scum again.

On that note...
VOTE: Radical Rat.

[Ranger]

{iraonavp}
{Ranger}
{Alchemist21, DoctorPepper, massive}
{Katsuki}
{RadiantMoonlight}
{Fate}
{Radical Rat}

I'd hope House wouldn't waste an investigation on Radical Rat, who was obvscum.
The strength behind the iraonavp read looks far more like an inno to me.

[Ranger]

There's likely scum in the lovers.

No argument here.

Any time you want to lynch Katsuki, entirely open to it.

It makes a lot of sense for Ranger to shoot me considering she knows I won't let her lack of participation slide.

What, with a rant I practically have prerecorded?

[Ranger]

Look at Ranger's ISO though. There's an admission that Yume scumslipped, yet zero vote on Yume. Instead, Ranger pushes someone and then jumps to RR. RR can get full utility of his role if wagoned. Yume might not.

Your theory is basically that I was the first to point out one scumbuddy, but then chose to bus the other instead.

Simpler theory: I'm town, being

Ranger

, with two caught scum.

At this stage, I'd be in favor of a limited massclaim.
Specifically, {Alchemist21, massive, DoctorPepper} only. Plus confirming Fate already fullclaimed.

[Ranger]

I don't see why Ranger can't be mafia lover?

Also, every time this setup has been played I've picked town.

There's that, too.

The only way I'd take scum is if literally every single card I got was scum.

[Ranger]

{iraonavp, SirCakez}
{Radiant Moonlight}
{Fate}
{Alchemist21}
{massive, DoctorPepper}
{Katsuki}
I think this is my thoughts right now.

[Ranger]

Why don't you want me to claim Ranger?

Because I don't want to know your role.
And I don't want scum to, either.
Obviously, my mind, stupid as it is (also maybe thanks to number of scum roles I've been dealing with recently), has theories.
But I don't want to say anything on anything.
At all.
Period.

[Ranger]

How is Fate townies than Alchemist?

That's where the list gets a bit more iffy.

[Ranger]

Fate/Lovers and if the game is ongoing iro

Actually, it should be, in order:
-Lynch us, the lovers.
-Fate checks iraonavp, who was House's cop clear.
-Lynch Fate.
-If game's not over, lynch you, because you've cleared massive and iraonavp is clear.
That's the most optimal order anyway.

VOTE: Katsuki.
I can be persuaded to vote Fate, but again, I think this order is technically superior.

[Ranger]

Ranger isnt Sircakez a Lover with you guys?

Yes, but he's confirmed town.
I also know I am town.

Ergo, lynch Katsuki.

[Ranger]

uh when did Cakes become confirmed town?

D2.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Fate.

[Ranger]

Ranger, why did you hammer Fate?

Because I was asked to.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Katsuki.

[Ranger]

Honestly I think I'd rather lynch the lovers. I think there's a better chance there's scum in there. (and still think it's probably Katsuki)

^This is my take.

I think that Fate is more likely to be town.
He could be scum, but in his ramblings, AtE as they may have been, I thought he looked town.
Katsuki hasn't.

[Ranger]

tbh I'm feeling right now like there might only be one more scum in Katsuki

^This.

[Ranger]

My cards were Bloodhound (alignment), Mafia Lover (role), and Werewolf Supersaint (discard).

Supersaint is an obvious discard because duh, requires a town-me getting lynched.

I was gonna be town, period, end of discussion, no matter how sucky my role, so that left Town Lover, my current role.

[Ranger]

Lover is negative, why would you ever choose lover instead of supersaint?

Bluntly, I didn't know how it worked and didn't care to. I just knew that it wasn't supersaint but it

was

town.

[Ranger]

So Ranger and Katsuki are last two scum
gg?

If I lie and say yes...will you vote Katsuki?

[Ranger]

I'm not lynching iraonavp.

[Ranger]

Why are you claiming to townread Iraonavp?

Because there is a cop innocent on iraonavp, and iraon discarded Werewolf, and was investigated as not one anyway, which...really kinda limits the ways he could be scum.

[Ranger]

I'll risk it.
VOTE: Katsuki.

[Ranger]

Mod: V/LA for today, and all Wednesdays in July.

Means no posting from me until tomorrow.

[Ranger]

^That.

[Ranger]

410/417 for what it's worth heavily suggests Radiant Moonlight isn't scum with the other flipped scum.
541 solidifies it.
We also know they lied about trying to kill me, since if they had tried to kill the lovers, all three of us would be dead. (We don't have any protective roles.)

[Ranger]

Feelin' good, though I have to admit: the strategy I used to break the game ONLY works if there's been a reroll. If the setup was valid on the first roll, then me asking for any of your cards would be tantamount to demanding a massclaim on D1, which would have obviously not been a good idea. Since it led to an almost-perfect town win (I TOLD you guys not to lynch iraonavp and that he was mod-cleared by the innocent result from House), still fairly proud of my play here, especially since (with the exception of Dr. Pepper) I basically had all the scum in sight on D1.