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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:57 am

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Votecount 1.08


JarJarDrinks (2):
I Am Innocent, MURDERCAT
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JarJarDrinks, Xkfyu
iraonavp (2):
JaeReed, Accountant
MURDERCAT (1):
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


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(expired on 2016-07-18 18:00:00)
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:57 am

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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:25 am

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Vote: Iaminnocent


This is a scum that all of town should agree with lynching
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:04 am

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Actually if today ends up with a lurker lynch that's gonna be the way to go
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:12 am

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It was tempting to read Jarjar's very bad case on me as a scum tell but he's at least not getting tunnelly and seems to be working on things other than mislynching me so that's a good sign. He looks pretty town in general on page 15, although I would have preferred if he just admitted that he simply didn't notice the part about ira in my long post because he skipped straight to the tl;dr reads. I think that's clearly what happened.
Accountant has not been convincingly town since the site came back.
The aggression towards ira was super manufactured and very premature. Ira's posts just seemed like someone who hadn't actually read anything new and he was just responding to old things he hadn't had a chance to respond to yet. I think you have to assume A LOT to see his most recent posts and think that he's intentionally ignoring stuff he should be commenting on.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:13 am

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Murdercat and bacde are the most obvtown
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 am

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You wanna vote Iam with me? I'm serious lets do this
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:32 am

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I'd compromise on IAI. But not even close to being ready to compromise yet.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:35 am

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I've been trying out new styles recently as my day 1's are pretty bad. Here is me attempting to meta. I don't know if I will actually stick with these reads, but I figured I would try this and see how I did at the end of the game:

Spoiler: Bacde (probably town)
- this to me, seems like a town post. I agree with everything he is saying about Triv (see my spoiler on him for why I don't think he is scum though). It doesn't read to me as opportunistic or overly aggressive. I believe this is a genuine scum read.
- this is exactly how I feel. This post is less likely to come from scum than town, in my opinion.
Meta read backs this up, IMO.


Spoiler: JarJarDrinks (null town)
I was wrong about JJD, I think. After a meta read, I have somewhat reversed my opinion.
My meta read suggests that this is more likely to come from town!JJD. In the scum game I read, he was mostly attacking early on.
I originally took issue with this, but town JJD isn't afraid to twist words.
This post made me rethink the scum read the most. In his scum game, JJD had poor reasoning for his scum reads and they were over the top for the evidence that was available to him. In his town game he had clear reasoning and interacted with his scum reads more.


Spoiler: evilpacman18 (null town)
I noticed in a game the pacman was actually willing to vote early on in a scum game
Pacman is hard to read. It seems as if he is more cautious and is willing to examine all angles as town, as he has this game.


Spoiler: Trivium (Scum lean)
I think I was wrong here too.
This sort of aggressiveness seems out of character for Triv in town games.
I feel like town triv unvotes here
Over aggressiveness again.
Town Triv doesn't seem to have this type of confidence


Spoiler: Accountant (probably town)
Meta read suggests that Accountant is very quick to declare town/scum reads
These are the sorts of strong opinions I expect town Accountant to have


Spoiler: Town Mafioso (null)
Not enough to meta. Sitting on this for now.


Spoiler: Xkfyu (null)
Not enough posts in game.


Spoiler: I Am Innocent (null)
All I got is that IAI is maybe more likely to fluff as town early.


Spoiler: iraonavp (scum lean)
I've noticed that iraonavp tends to be more defensive as scum than as town and will OMGUS
This feels like an attempt to act townie early, which seems to be more indicative of scum for iraonavp.
OMGUS
defensive


Spoiler: Tam (null)
No recent games to meta.


My reads list based on gut (which is what I normally use) is something like:

{Bacde, Accountant, EP}
{Triv, TM}
{Tam, IAI, iraonavp, Xkfyu}
{JJD}
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:37 am

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In post 353, JarJarDrinks wrote:Also, MC:

Can you point out exactly what you think it is that I'm misrepresenting?
In post 133, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 97, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 56, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp

I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
ALso agree that this hop on from murdercats looks shitty. But I'm not reading it as opportunistic. I think it's a bus.

I feel like this is a post designed to look like he wants to vote Ira, but he's subtlety hinting that Ira's town meta looks scummy.
There's no hinting involved. His town meta does look scummy. So does his scum meta. Hence why I want to get a read there. Come on JarJar.
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In post 108, JarJarDrinks wrote:Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.
Lol holy shit, are you scum dude?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:45 am

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In post 11, Trivium wrote:
In post 10, iraonavp wrote:That's precisely why I voted evilpacman18, to move the game forward and maybe learn something.

A better question would be: why aren't you voting evilpacman18? I think you should..
Why do you think I should? How would that move the game along? Obviously I'm trying to pressure you, so isn't that how I should be moving the game along?
In post 9, Trivium wrote:Why wagon at this point, you don't know anything... do you?
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In post 30, Town Mafioso wrote:
In post 28, Bacde wrote:
Vote: Trivium


actual vote on actual mafia
Oh fuck me, this guy.

Why did I join this.
You better start talking about what's going on, scum.
In post 70, Trivium wrote:
In post 68, Town Mafioso wrote:If its a scumtell vote me.

Based on what you said in 61 you dont support a lynch on your current vote.

Stop hindering my way of getting an early game townbloc
Early game townbloc is the stupidest idea since the backwards toilet paper roll. Sure, it would be nice, but you don't know who's town and who's not. Or at least, you shouldn't. Also, please back up your statements with reasoning and stuff. VOTE: Mafioso
Just a few examples. These are all things that feel like fake scum hunting that could also easily come from bad town. Like these all ping me in a gut way until I really analyze them and decide they could easily come from town too.

Since my meta read, I am less sure on Triv town though.

(by the way, in the Bacde spoiler above I said to look at the Triv spoiler, but I decided to do these posts differently, so now that makes no sense, because I'm calling him scum there. Really you should look here.)
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:46 am

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In post 381, Bacde wrote:You wanna vote Iam with me? I'm serious lets do this
At least let him dig his own grave a little longer
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:11 am

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lets speed it up with votes
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:16 am

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vote: Trivium
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:12 pm

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In post 380, evilpacman18 wrote:Murdercat and bacde are the most obvtown
Thank you. You're pretty town too.

I'm willing to lynch triv. Gonna wait for the VC.
Ira is still not really doing anything also...
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:14 pm

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Nvm on the vote count I decided not to be that lazy and added them myself :p

VOTE: Trivium
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:40 pm

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I'd prefer not to lynch until IAI, ira and xykfu say some more.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:44 pm

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My wagon is pretty bullshit. Just going to put that out there. I mean, I have a bunch of people voting me because of a gutread of Murder, who's obviously distancing themselves from my lynch by being weirdly indecisive. That beginning bit that murdercat seems all 'pinged' about is really just me fucking around to get out of rvs as fast as possible because I don't get the point of it. I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch. I don't think murdercat is mafia, but evilpacman is obviously sheeping hard and I'm just disappointed with the confirmed town.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:55 pm

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I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:58 pm

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In post 377, Bacde wrote:
Vote: Iaminnocent


This is a scum that all of town should agree with lynching
Anyways, while I'm here- Why?
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:11 pm

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In post 393, JaeReed wrote:I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.
Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tactic
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:16 pm

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In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.
This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:20 pm

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In post 395, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 393, JaeReed wrote:I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.
Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tactic
It felt like genuine rage, not feigned. The whole "you guys are voting me off murders gut read" was scummy content but the rage actually feels town.

I can't explain it beyond that sorry. It felt like town rage and not scum rage. It wasn't "caught for the wrong reasons" but rather "you guys fucking suck at this" for what I felt off it.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:21 pm

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In post 396, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.
This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.
Fuck off and check my meta. If you got written off as the village idiot every game you played, you'd be pissed off too. I scumread you anyways, so I don't really care about your vote. I was just ticked that the confirmed town decided to vote me.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:23 pm

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In post 396, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.
This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.
I've had that thought as town before though when I get even just one vote on me. It's annoying to be misread. I generally manage to keep my rage under wraps as far as posting but his post could very easily be one I'd make if I allowed myself.
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