Gistou (Over!)

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Almost please roleclaim so I can tell you how to use your role.

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thanks for scum claiming.

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/confirm

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Hi best friend

- Y

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Hi best friend

- Y

hi Yume <3

~Ice

I love you. <3

- Y

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So much for your promise to yourself!

I suck!

Now I'm curious. What is that promise?

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Should we all claim the checks we picked to limit shenanigans? Discuss

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How does it favor scum?

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I'm thinking along the lines of...like if I claim my hometown or region or whatever it is and Salt says no he's lying but if we all claim now it limits the potential of fake gultiy things like that.

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fair point I guess

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I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

Why is a town claim?

It felt forced and millerish and I know that BB has claimed miller to coast in games before.

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

I don't like this question too , Its like the questions scum players ask after RVS to show themselves active while their just trying to show themselves acive ...

~Ice

maybe if I tilt my head exactly right.

"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"

+

"Please give region"
"Why'd you do that bro"

I feel like this didn't happen.

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

I don't like this question too , Its like the questions scum players ask after RVS to show themselves active while their just trying to show themselves acive ...

~Ice

Hypocritical considering this is the kind of comment scum players make,..

this is very vague and weak

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

Well Tim IS right that its at least bad town play but I could easily see Timscum hammering away on Molla.

shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.

Clearly not a thing.

^
P-edit: there was a blitz he was scum in where he was very out of it and not really interacting with anyone iirc, can't remember the exact game
-SC

scum using a non relevant discussion in place of scumhunting IS a thing.

it presumably being multiball

how is it "presumably multiballl" in a known multifaction game?

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how is it "presumably multiballl" in a known multifaction game?

i have no idea why i wrote that

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Quick question... my PM is in a quote, quoted by someone's name I don't recognize, is this just mine?

no

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Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?

vote:KuroiXHF

but real talk, this post has me a lil worried. Like why would you care if we are lulz voting?

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Who is scum?

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Are you ignoring me?

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you didn't see my posts uhhuh....

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http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Broker

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Who is scum?

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

Who did you find?

dat echo

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I'm thinking along the lines of...like if I claim my hometown or region or whatever it is and Salt says no he's lying but if we all claim now it limits the potential of fake gultiy things like that.

I get the idea, that it keeps scum from sharing information and attributing it all to one slot, or switching up claims when convenient, but like...the people who get lots of information SHOULDN'T be claiming it until it's relevant, which means there will be no discernible difference between scum shenanigans and optimal play.

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Why are you being vague here?

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So basically you are saying that you don't think we've found any scum yet? Assuming yes

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VCA

oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

if and when this comes up again, please don't waste your words trying to convince me that it's anything but hokey garbage that's right exactly as often as random chance

True story but Titus did VCA in one game and was like "the scum is in these players" it was like 50% correct.

anyways

vote:Expedience

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Town House is meaner than Scum House.

I disagree. Like in mafiacraft game where he was SK he way getting all pissy and name calling. Supposedly he's an ass as either alignment so maybe its an online persona or maybe he just doesn't get enough real world love.

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anyways

vote:Expedience

Is this opportunity knocking? Or you have a reason?

I'm joining the wagon 'cause I'd like to see his reaction to an ever growing wagon. I also still dislike his 55.

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Townreads: Cephrir, Nosferatu, BBmolla
Scumreads: Luna Fox, rb, Titus, davesaz, RAM

(unordered)

So you have 3 Town reads and 5 Scum reads? This is just weird all over.

why is that so weird in MB?

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I'm a fan of Expedience death.

already?

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I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

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I mean, like in a norma game its ok to think a scum player is pushing town but this is MB so even if you have a scumread on Math it doesn't saying anything about Exp.

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What has ABR said lately?

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Where is ABR

I like where our vote is

I want ABR talking

whoever knows him knows what I'm talking about

~Ice

It's like 1 am for him. I will be sleeping soon.

Why are you making a big deal over ABRs ability to post?

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yeah Dave is scum

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let me iso him in that game but the things he's saying and doing are super silly.

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Wait...Titus aren't you against meta reads?

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ny 191-http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64409

the Dave is this game was NOT in that game. It was Davsto who is totes a diffrent player unless alt.

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vote:Dave

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sheep me to victory!

(or atleast a day 1 scum lynch)

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more Dave sheeps plox

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dat discredit!

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One thing is for sure. The avatar is MUCH better than the annoying one Nero has on his own account

dancing Jesus FTW!

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Are you scumreading Exp?

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scum can't have gladiate?

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ok, I was gonna say that it was odd as fuck that you were calling them town b/c they gladiated you.

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Yes, scum don't believe what they're saying because they would know that I'm town

maybe in singleball but even in singleball you can legit hunt the sk.

but this is MB scum are hunting each other.

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Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I approve of this message and/or service

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Nos pls do post links next time, its a fucking chore to tab back and forth

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and all the scrolling!


Just fuck you

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@XHF

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they are talking about Nos' catchup

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its ok but now my carpal tunnel is acting up

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Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.

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no. She's prob flaked.

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but there are better d1 lynches in Kuroi or Dave or Exp and maaaaaybe Cephir.

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a50 is a claimed PGO type role (atleast that's my impression) thus he can't? be killed at night so there's scum motivation in wanting him lynched is what he's saying.

Also a50 is just a vi so take his posts with a

grain

teaspoon

tablespoon

cup of salt.

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His claim's a double edged sword, because night active roles cant confirm his alignment either.

*twitch twitch twitch*

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@Luna that's fair, I guess. But at the same time I could easily see you going "oh we can't confirm him...so lets lynch him!" as scum.

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*still waiting on why I'm such a good lynch to No Retreat* Or maybe he already retreated. lol

I'm a 3 shot day cop and have a guilty on you.

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How do you determine if he's scum trying to shoo off investigators and town claiming a negative utility role?

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@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?

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Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

I didn't much like either of these posts. I know we've talked a little about the second one but why in the world would you say that...like whats the point?

You also voted TWIE for sheeping but not Luna so that's p strange. Other than that you don't really have anything. So why should I not want your head on a pike?

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@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?

no i said your reasons for calling the "pgo claim" town were crap

Should I vote you for this misrep y/n?

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you are experienced enough to know that its the correct play to claim a negative (miller/PGO what have you not) utility role early.

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YES!

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@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?

no i said your reasons for calling the

"pgo claim" town were crap

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like if you agree that claiming a negitive utility role is the correct play why is it crap for me to think that action was pro-town?

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I AM NOT CLAIMING THAT HIM BEING A PGO MAKES HIM TOWN, I AM CLAIMING THAT HIM CLAIMING PGO WAS THE CORRECT AND PRO-TOWN THING TO DO. There is a huge diffrence.

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GOD I'M SO STUPID

don't beat yourself up not everyone can be as good as me.

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vote:heartless

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Anti i love you for making posts like 1425

get off antis nuts/TTHs lady bits

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right let me catch up in this monstrosity

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@luna, correct me if I'm wrong here. Your argument is that we can't confirm PV as town since he's PGOish...so your plan is to lynch him?

are perfectly valid reasons to scumread WT

these are?

Cane can die. I think that "look at me I'm splitting hairs like I normally do!" is pretty scummy.

Especially when the other head is all concerned about getting killed.

p.70

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clearly others have seen play from him that i havent but ive played with him 3? times in the last couple years and i believe he's been lurky mislynchbait all three times

so much this. I've played with him twice (as town) and he was tunnely and bad. I've also played with him several times as scum and lead a lynch on him b/c he replaces out as scum so I was hoping he'd do that here.

Also it's A50 not PV, i didnt even realize that mistake in your post.

lol @ me

vote:Kuroi

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What have I dodged?

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What the hell have you been doing this whole time wake?

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Also fuck yes @ house

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thank you

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unvote

While I doubt there'll be a quick lynch over night I'd like to do some posting but I'm way tired tonight.

LLD is town btw

Dear Mastin, 3 week deadlines are balls. Please let the players choose the deadline length.

vote:2 week deadlines

<<< I have covered this. You're spoiled with deadlines these days. There's no rule saying you must use every bit of time you are given. If you do, then that is your doing. If you want a lynch sooner than that? Then it's your job as a player to get a lynch sooner than that. Not my job as a moderator. >>>

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oh yeah, p sure Kling has scumslipped pending review

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Have we all forgotten (or at least RB +cerb) that this is a multifaction game with like a bazillion scum? I could

sneeze

and hit scum.

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Yet a fifth faction lurks in the shadows

SHE CONFIRMS IT HERE!



But honestly they'd have to be like really big scum teams for there to be ONLY two but yea, I don't think setup spec is all that important. My point was that a wagon on Kuroi or anyone is not going to be clean.

You can read my iso and the post I make tomorrow after I get some sleep.

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Almost I know its your thing to post while catching up but could you really NOT do that in this game?

KTHX

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V/LA until the 27th.

Trying to catch up now...

I vaguely remember scumcelt doing this (long ass V/la) in a game we were in. I don't remember what game it was so I am worried that scumcelt is doing the same here.

@celt-what game did I lynch you in?

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Now lets ISO her.

hop on Exe for???

The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.

it doesn't take this long or shouldn't

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

its a load of wank regardless of alignment :/ but nice to see you buttering up Titus here.

Plus you and I always scumread her, so I'm cutting some slack there, too.

heheh. I remember scummajiffy saying something like this once.

Whether or not Titus is scum.

but you were already town reading her.

THIS IS PROBABLY SCUM.

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Is Wake usually this lurky as scum?

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Who are you voting Exe?

@Cerb lol @ you thinking I wouldn't contribute in the signups

@Cephier what do you think of my Celt case? And yes my posts are damn important

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V/LA until the 27th.

Trying to catch up now...

I vaguely remember scumcelt doing this (long ass V/la) in a game we were in. I don't remember what game it was so I am worried that scumcelt is doing the same here.

@celt-what game did I lynch you in?

Now lets ISO her.

hop on Exe for???

The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.

it doesn't take this long or shouldn't

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

its a load of wank regardless of alignment :/ but nice to see you buttering up Titus here.

Plus you and I always scumread her, so I'm cutting some slack there, too.

heheh. I remember scummajiffy saying something like this once.

Whether or not Titus is scum.

but you were already town reading her.

THIS IS PROBABLY SCUM.

DID yOU POINT OUT THE SLIP?

~ Bins

daykill:bins

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I'm lynching you when she flips scum. That ok with you Storm?

*shrugz* I think her going v/la to lurk it out is a thing though her ISO is horrible, mostly the part about wanting to flip Exe to see if Titus was town but she was already town reading Titus so ???

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I don't like calling stuff a "slip" when it's not a slip so that makes them lose a lot of points in my eyes.

Do you often suspect players for believing in something you don't believe in?

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I'd lynch you too, Cephrir.

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town

Heartless (Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
dramonic
Almost50
Mathblade
Lady Lambdadelta
Expedience

scum

KuroiXHF
Klingoncelt
Stormblade (Albert B. Rampage + Errantparabola + Nahdia)
davesaz
Cane + Able (House + Wake88)
Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
rb
Cephrir
Luna Fox
BBMolla

and everyone else is null or I don't remember anything they've done

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move song to town too

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I remember liking her early but I think her a50 stuff was wonky

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I am not fabricating shit. What happens when Celt flips scum will your tune change to "oh noes Nero bussed!"

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but I am not a fan of what you did

What did I do?

I don't really remember her claim much. I'll have to look it up.

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Town: Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, rb, Heartless, Luna Fox
Slight town: Klingoncelt, Almost50, Nosferatu, Stormblade, A Song of Ice and Fire, BBMolla, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball
Null: dramonic, Salt Squad, Mathblade, davesaz, copper223, Tim, Franky, Wake88, KuroiXHF
Slight scum: Titus, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta
Scum: RAM

apparently I don't exist

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i know. i'm such a bitch.

but srsly analyzing the kuroi wagon like it's a single ball game and going on about "wagon composition" is pretty aggressively terrible

THANK YOU

someone give me bullet cases on WT and Copper. If I don't like those cases I'm lynching Kuroi or we could always flash wagon Celt and then lynch Storm when she flips scum.

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Titus you have alot of town reads and very few scum reads which I think is p odd. Celt not reacting to my push on her also pisses me off. Gonna ISO WT and Copper now since no one bulleted a case for me.

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let me finish reading copper+WT and I'll decide which 4 of those I want to do today.

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The expedience wagon is promising, Titus is more likely than not town with bad reads;

this is maybe a hedge on Exe and a possible writing Titus off.

VOTE: Kuroi

???? Why the hop bro?

This is very concerning, you received a bunch of unjustified town or leave alone reads so I had to tell them to stoo the prop. up,

Are you scumreading Heartless for getting town read?

I am not scumreading Heartless but that may change in time. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=60340 is an important game me thinks.

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Nope, not really seeing WT scum. Copper I'm a little meh about. I absolutley want a dead Celt but this is already a bloated thread and I don't want to spend another 20 or 30 pages trying to convince folks that Celt is the scum lynch we are looking for. I mean I'm not Cephie levels of "HURRY UP AND THE END DAY SO I CAN USE MY NIGHT ACTION" (and/or stop discussion) but I see the merit in not needlessly dragging things out.

vote:Kuroi

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I rolled Town this time, so don't expect to be impressed before Day 3.

Don't expect to live till day 3. :/

Wayward Thinker isn't on it.

there's alot of players not on my list.

but if we are going to talk about things not there or ignored read the bottom of my list

town

Heartless (Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
dramonic
Almost50
Mathblade
Lady Lambdadelta
Expedience

scum

KuroiXHF
Klingoncelt
Stormblade (Albert B. Rampage + Errantparabola + Nahdia)
davesaz
Cane + Able (House + Wake88)
Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
rb
Cephrir
Luna Fox
BBMolla

and everyone else is null or I don't remember anything they've done

Yep, there's no way Nero could have reads on me and Expedience without a read on WT...

yeah....no

No Retreat's is far worse. Scumreading a player for going V/LA? Really? Just one player, no any of the others that go V/LA.

I have experience with you going v/la to lurk it out as scum. Maybe in that game you going on a long ass V/LA and being scum were just a coincidence but for someone on v/la you sure are posting alot...your little hyper aggressive pushback is cute but only makes me want you dead more.

But if you wanna spar: Tell me why you want to vote Exp to "get a read on Titus" when you are already town reading Titus.

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Kuroi still looks like the counterwagon to Wayward.

VOTE: Vote: Wayward Thinker[/vote ]

this

this is not entirely accurate. I was already wary of Kuroi pre game and posted a case on him in my 1406 which is well before he became the leading wagon. The leading wagon at day start was actually Exe so why is WT a counterwagon to Kuroi but Kuroi is not a counterwagon to Exe?

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The why my case on you getting traction?

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As much as I think you are scum I'd kill you just for posting your catchup in 1 by 1 posts. So now I have 2 reasons to want you dead.

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TOWN TO ME!

VOTE: Klingoncelt

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You're a cruel bastard.

I'm sure I am. I don't really like how you are name calling here to gain sympathy like I'm somehow being mean to you for suggesting that you are scum. Its mafia, I'm scumhunting. Like I said earlier maybe you going V/LA and being mafia were just a coincidence. I don't know whats gong on, if you are sick or whatever is going on I hope you feel better or the problem fixes itself.

However

I have serious reservation about your slot. You sorta cherry picked my review of your iso. I don't understand why you pushed for an Exe lynch with the reasoning that it would help you read Titus when you were already town reading her. And I'm not sure why you didn't address this unless you are flat out ignoring things and hoping they go away.

Your post about me not listing WT as a town or scum read is balls and totes ignores the fact that said list did NOT contain several players so it feels off and scummy.

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I don't really think the 5 factions things in the op flavor really has anything to do with the factions in this game.

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I don't really think the 5 factions things in the op flavor really has anything to do with the factions in this game.

Your faction is your wincon. They are not public information.

^^ This is from Mastin's setup posts.

You sure about that?

yes I know that, not really seeing where you are getting 5 factions from that though.

Yet a fifth faction

there's this but I would think it would just be flavor

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maybe a cult faction.

this is also a confirmed cult game

pls reread like...EVERYTHING

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copper223 what IS your read on RB?

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I also wasn't casting any doubt, I just didn't understand where she got it *shrugz*

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there's this but I would think it would just be flavor

*shrugz*

I think every game I've ever played in the mod makes a flavor post that has no bearing on the game whatsoever. I think 5 factions sounds pretty good, we know there are atleast 3 so 2 more is not a stretch but does it really matter how many factions there are?

I had also (jokingly) brought up the 5 factions in the mastin post thing earlier so I'm not sure how you think I was both aware about it and doubting it.

but if you think I was doubt casting

You need to be really concerned about this then.

Well there's guaranteed to be scum, cult and human. We don't know if there's a 4th, but you seem pretty sure about it - why?

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????

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Why were you assuming 5 factions?

@RAM I'm already scumreading Celt but I will say that I've but thinking one thing and mistyped. I did it in this game when talking about Almost but typed PV.

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is he playing like gunslingers?

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No retreat: this isn't a matter of KC making a typo though? Mathblade said she connected two slots she NEVER connected, and she was just like "oh yeah, but I changed my mind since then and I believe this now instead".

i know. I agree that's p odd but I was already scumreading her so you don't need to sell me on something I already bought.

What I'm concerned most with Celt is how she was town reading Titus and when Math made a post about Titus being scum with Exe she's like "oh yeah we need to lynch Exe"

@Titus what do you think of the faction disscussion and Cooper saying I was trying to doubt 5 factions, do you think there are 5 factions, do you think Mastin confirmed 5 factions in her flavor thinky?

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and I sorta wanna kill this Franky guy who I keep seeing online but not posting here :/

<<< He was prodded. As of the time he was prodded, this is how long he has to post by: (expired on 2016-07-17 04:48:13). If he hasn't before then, I'm replacing him. >>>

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nope not voting her

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Its she was pushing a Exe/WT team and then someone said she was pushing a Kuroi/Exe team and then she agreed like she doesn't know her own reads

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I also think her town reading Titus then when Math makes a case that says Titus and Exe were aligned she drops her Titus townread and pushes for an Exe lynch.

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I think Titus and the House heads are Town.

Titus' nitpicking tunnel looks typical of Town Titus

Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?

WHat would it tell you?

Whether or not Titus is scum.

So yeah her 2802 was I guess in response to the accusation.

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89

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we aren't going to get clean wagons in this game

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the different factions are going to counterwagon etc. I don't know who said it but I agree that we won't be able to get a X is with this faction and X is not in that faction until down the road.

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No Retreat: Why are you refusing to vote KC while simultaneously making sure everyone who stops by is well aware of why they should be voting for KC? :-/

honestly, KC isn't worth my time

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I've seen the "who are my scumbuddies: before from both T and S. Its null. But it is concerning/interesting that he's NOW starting to do things when he's close to eating rope

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Why are you town reading me?

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flaked

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hi Franky

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And this is why I don't like this play.

You don't like me wanting to lynch Dave? interesting

I am

slightly

with Toog here as in I don't see the point of keeping the day going and going but as long as disscussion is useful then we can chat.

Also Luna was saying that she's didn't like the Celt wagon b/c it moved to fast but the Kuroi wagon was WWWWAAAAAYYYY faster.

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lol

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Celt accusing me of stalking or w/e is pretty pathetic.

we aren't going to get clean wagons in this game

IIoA

I don't think you know what this means

I feel like this day has outlived its usefulness so I'll vote WT just to end the day but I rather get Kuroi or Celt lynches.

Celt

still

(or I missed it) has not explained why she down graded Titus' read in the 700s .

vote:Kuroi

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I don't really remember you or Molla getting into it with her but also someone remind me how to do the post link thing.

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Wayward Thinker - 9 (dramonic, Tim, rb, Salt Squad, davesaz, Heartless, Nosferatu, BBMolla, Cephrir)
KuroiXHF - 6 (DrippingGoofball, Luna Fox, Titus, A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Expedience)

WT, RAM, Storm, Celt, A50, copper, LLD, Kuroi, Math and toog pick one of WT or Kuroi

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yeah them to. When I copied mastins VC I guess I didn't get the not voting people.

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I think this will be my last post on this. In 694 you are town reading Titus. She (Titus) made 3 posts between 694 and 752 What in those three posts made you change your Titus read?

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also I will not accept a "Maths 692 made me change my mind" I think that's totes buddying her.

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1- Why is dramonic town to you?
2- Why is Klingoncelt scum?

Dramtown is mainly gut/poe. I routinely find myself nodding and agreeing with his posts. Could he be scum that's pushing hard for WT lynch? maybe but its not really a rabbit hole I want to go down yet. There are a TON of slots I'd lynch before him so he's way down my totem pole.

I think Celt is scum for he switch on Titus and she's been asked about it 3 or 4 times and she hasn't responded to it. The only some what viable answer she could give is that maths post made her rethink but I think that's buddying. I think her pushback against me is laughable.

I don't see how that's alignment indicative.

"Everyone stop unvoting WT!"

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Does anyone know if Nahdia town hunts over scumhunts?

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My stance on VCA is as follows: Its a decent scumhunting tool but players that consider themselves good/consider others good at VCA are pretty stupid. VCA is super easy to do. Its not 100% accurate or anything either


ABR flaked?!?

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VCA is a tool, not a holy grail.

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I'm going to buddy up to LLD by saying Cerb is a big ole' meany.

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Meanwhile, Expedience is proving that Klingon's alignment reads change based on pushing her.

but you weren't pushing her when her read on you changed? I men she DID start scumreading you after you voted her, that is correct but she WAS town reading you and then mysteriously dropped said town read b/c??? I know when I was questioning her on it that I said that she could NOT use Mathblade's post as an excuse but that really seems like the only viable answer 'cause "vibes" seems like a terrible "reason".

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gut mostly. I feel like 3740 was mostly unnecessary and worded weird. I now it was a responce to a question you were asked but things like

now my fellow player your job, assuming town, is to ferret out the alignment of the rest of us and get us to agree to vote for likely scum, critiques about our performance that are not AI actually work against your wincon because they create a barrier towards working together.

Give me a real mediation type feel and I think that often comes from scum.

And you are doing what you are accusing Cerb of, judging others.

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guys I found two scum

copper sure but I'm not really seeing Almost.

also

vote:Kuroi

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vote:Kuroi

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I don't think there is anyway to tell whether his claim is fake or not. I think a day 1 no lynch is beyond stupid and I have a great desire to lynch Molla. His play has been pretty scummy though so...

Even if we decided to not lynch him we are just going to spend another 6769677656769096545657687980678654 pages and then out another claim/ fake claim that we can't tell the difference between.

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man, I JUST woke up and there are like 14 pages since day 2

but anyways

vote:wake

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on p. 167. All this stuff is hurting my head so I'm going to lay down. I am onboard with the individual factions + Titus' group (and the other two champions) so I still think Wake is the best lynch for today (so far) yesterday what I didn't really like is how he was trying hard to save Kuroi and Kuroi flipping vampire made me think "oh he must be other vampire and I you know assumed Vampires were bad b/c you know...VAMPIRES!

Today, while you were discussing whether to lynch LLD or SS he was trying to switch the subject but not be forceful about it. His big info reveal that there is a SK in this game is a pretty big non sequitur and doesn't seem useful at all. I mean maybe there will be more to it when I get back but right now he seems like a p good lynch.

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Do I feel like reading 26 pages right now? not really. See you guys in a bit.

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I'm feeling much better today so I'll try to get some work done when I get home from lunch.

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There's no confirmation one of our PT is scum. Just Luna being paranoid. I still feel Klingon is town.
-Nahdia

I find it hard to believe that one of Copper/Klingon isn't scum.

^
But I think its also a pretty silly/scummy statement to make 'cause in any game with ANY hood it is never confirmed.

@RB Is there any reason to suspect that the East Kingdom is scum besides "OMG LETS BE IRRATIONALLY PARANOID!"

@everyone/anyone The case on LLD was the she is a caught Wulden and she claimed to be an independent wulden and everyone thinks she's lying?

The case on SS is that there's a guilty on him and he's arguing that Luna's been redirected and that he's in a hood?

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I swore I thought SS was in Luna's hood...

I had a meta town read on LLD since I think she's lurky as fuck as town. I don't see why a independent wulden faction couldn't exist.

What did Luna get?

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Luna did you claim your role prior to night 1 or before night 1 ended?

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I knew the part about Kling, my tinfoil theory says that SS is town and the scum in your hood DID target you with a redirect or something. All of copper/storm and Celt are in your hood right? 'cause there is scum in there.

vote:Celt

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also

<<< Klingoncelt is being replaced. >>>

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I won't kick and scream at a Klingon lynch (still think she's town tho).

Would you rather lynch Copper?

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then who do you want dead?

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hrmmmm...if we lynch SS and he flips not scum this proves you were redirected bus driven what have you not.

@SS how would you PROVE that you are town?

Didn't someone say that Independent would give an isolationist result?

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what where Storms results?

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If we let SS live today then Day 3 is literally just a rerun of today. Thaf thought is unbearable.

So you just want him lynched and call it a day? If he flips town what will you want then?

Toog that whole changing wincon=culted is p dumb. I mean MAAAAAYYYBEEE he's the CR and recruited Dram pregame and wants one more night so his cult will live on but we know other factions have recruits so...I'm not sure where your mind is.

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It is your fucking job, as any alignment, to not get lynched

survivalism as town is fucking stupid since town still win when they are dead. Your job as town is to find scum.

I'll switch to Salt if that's what we are doing. I still think Celt is super scummy but until scum is flipped in the hood we'll still be here. I'm still not exactly sure why Exp and Luna are so sure that Luna's result was not messed with but I don't think there's really away of finding out unless we lynch the OTHER hoodies until one (or more) flip scum wich doesn't seem like a better alternative to lynch Salt and if he flips scum then yay!

Salt why did you not use your recruit last night?

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Hey what's up guys

who are you?

celt

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I already determined(since yesterday) that the klingon slot was likely scum.

I wouldn't really be all that surprised if there were multiple scum factions in there.

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making a note to myself to see who actively resists the wagons in case of scum flip.

and if he flips town what do you want to do?

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A Redirector is a role that causes all actions taken on a particular Night by a specific player to target a specific second player instead of whatever their original target was.

Using Copper as an example here, Copper, the scum redirector targets Luna and redirects to himself or other scum.

Storm, who is not redirected targets SS and gets correct results 'cause not redirected.

Maybe I'm just being really dense here but I still don't see how there's only a SMALL chance of redirection. For a BD to happen Storm would have to be not telling the truth I suppose. Anyways I don't see much reason to not trust Luna's results and Cake isn't getting all super upset so it makes me think this is scum.

vote:SS

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Sup d00ds

there is a guilty on your slot.

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to lynch LLD, who was Wulden.

LLD hasn't flipped...

I checked Titus on n1 btw and got human

What is the point of this?

Wake was is your reason for LLD scum, is it only the check?

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Also wasn't a50 in the hood? We are killing him too right if Bcade flips scum.

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Tim there IS talk of lynching LLD, my worry is that he's trying to save Bcade here. Do keep up.

vote:Bcade

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I think the fact that you are more interested in why you were being scumread then trying to hunt for scum says alot.

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Wake, if you believe LLD is scum why did you A) not open today with a "hey guys we should lynch LLD" and B.) campaign for her lynch YESTERDAY?

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In a 6 person hood, I don't think there'd be 2 wulden scum spying on them. That seems a bit much. Also a50 claimed northern tribes faction, so he's not there.

I'm kind of worried that it was a scum gambit, kling was super scummy and in hindsight something worries me a bit about A50

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Yeah this is most likely multibal

this is confirmed MB. We know there are ATLEAST two scum factions. You know who else said stuff like this? Cephir and Copper.

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copper223, who was Hermes Bion, Undead Risen Slave, has died N2.

undead risen slaves are town?

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We don't have confirmation of two scum we have confirmation of at least one scum and one cult.

cult=scum IMO

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And, with FIVE fucking kills, I'm pretty damned sure we have a Serial Killer, too. MEANING, the Towniest fucking player could be a Serial Killer!

yes, I think you are a SK lol

The way I was looking at this game was undead and isolationist=cult/scum and the rest were fragmented town factions. Is this not correct?

and wake is SK

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I am yes

Who do you think are the scum factions?

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yea you are right undead are town.

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Could someone be a dear (or deer if you rather be!) and remind me why Wake can't be an isolationist?

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Could someone be a dear (or deer if you rather be!) and remind me why Wake can't be an isolationist?

Because, well, I have DEEZ NUTS here.

Let's start there.

Can you stop the immaturity and fake bravado? Its not fooling anyone. Well I take that back, its not fooling anyone smart.

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All I remember is RB stating that Wake was not Isolationist and I'm not sure why. I also have no desire to slog through this game so someone explain it to me like a 2016 join date.

The idea the LLD gets pegged as Wulden and fakeclaims to be in an independent Wulden faction is not an impossibility. I am not thrilled with the idea of killing LLD when

ONE OF THE SCUM WINCONS IS TO KILL ALL THE WULDENS!

I mean....mmmmaaaayyyybeee the fact that no one else has said "Oh hey I'm an independent Wulden too!" points to her being scum but even if she is scum there are still other scum out there. I kinda feel like the LLD wagon is an isolationist led wagon.

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Isn't his overly noisy posting in D1/D2 reason enough? Isolationist knew exactly what was going on. Wake -on the other hand- was looking for "a corner in circular room"

Actually he was sorta lurky d1 and d2 I don't really remember anything from him except fear mongering that we have a SK running around.

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wulden are a scum faction of course the other scum faction wants them gone as well to win?

So yu don't buy LLDs claim?

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I'm getting cheeky but hey, '

go fuck yourself

' is obviously allowed in these games, so I've been told.

I'm sure you do do that alot.

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It specifically says all Wulden must be defeated in addition to controlling 50% of the town, suggesting that the Wulden are either opposing Mafia or Cult.

Or all Wulden could be all Wulden regardless of alignment. My stance is still the same, my gut still feels like this is more likely to be town LLD based on her lack of playing. No one claiming independent Wulden may mean I'm wrong and she's scum. Still not thrilled with the idea of helping the isolationist complete their wincon. I know Rach said "well its multiball" and sure, I know in a multiball game you are still helping one scum team by lynching not their scum team but it still fills odd to me. LLD isn't a horrible lynch but it just feels...idk kinda lazy.

I posted the font with cyan color first.

p sure he claimed like d1 bro

Bacde and Wake are still scum though regardless of an LLD flip.

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You do know that I've been scumreading Wake and Kling since like day 1 right?

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daykill:LLD

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interesting...

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well that was a bit delayed

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When (ok, ok, if) LLD flips scum, make sure to look back at the votes and check which people needed a little "extra" convincing to move their vote from low hanging bacde to LLD. Check for probable motivation for protecting LLD from a lynch before realizing that wasn't a possibility.

I think this is a bit nearsighted. LLD's wagon is prob CRAWLING with other wulden(that would be bussing her?)/isolationists/3rd party Wake.

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Newsflash: LLD's getting lynched today.

you still aren't town

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She prob is scum and I'm just so used to LLD being a useless sack of shit as town that its clouding my judgement. At the same time its not really like anyone that is an independent Wulden could claim 'cause they'd just get shot. I was mostly just pointing out how dumb Toog was being.

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I don't have any other suspects atm. I haven't considered interactions with Mathblade.

this is a bit alarming.

No Retreat is Nero so look for silly trolly behavior. He is more srs bizness when he is scum

For the most pat I agree with this but you paint it so that I can't be SRS as town and that's untrue.

There are 3 confirmed scum factions and I am in none of them so???

Don't we have someone confirmed as Nosferatu or were we talking about the actual player?

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isolatinist

wulden

Nosferatu

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and really a 4th since we have SK that's prob Wake

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well that seems silly.

Why do you think Wake as SK couldn't go "hey guys there's an SK out there. BE AFRAID!"

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the thing is why would Mastin use the word Nosferatu in the Wulden wincon but the Isolationist flip as Isolationist? So thats why I thought they were seperate factions, idk

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yeah fuck that

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but there is a vamp town team to so not all vamps are scum either.

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@Rach

Why do you think Wake as SK couldn't go "hey guys there's an SK out there. BE AFRAID!"