Mini 1800 - Game Over

[Titus]

Oh wall game.

Hi everyone.

[Titus]

*skips wall*

*sees reads list at the end*

But I wanna talk about him? He had a wagon on him.

[Titus]

*skips wall*

*sees reads list at the end*

But I wanna talk about him? He had a wagon on him.

Then let's talk about whoever "him" is. I am guessing you mean Magna?

Nope Karnos.

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So skimmed?

Karnos claimed jailed. Why?

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Yeah, why would we fish a Neopolitan for results?

The goal of a Neopolitan is to verify claims (if let to investigate). Randomly having him out his claims anyway is just bad.

It's a rock in a hard place and wifom on what to do there. If town, we can almost dual lynch (neo is not present in high pr setups), but that requires trusting Karnos and keeping him alive.
I am willing to roll for a day and see where it goes

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Official Vote Count

Persivul

(4): Sickofit1138, ShadyHood, Saru, karnos

Kappy

(4): Chumba, Persivul, Dierfire, MechaGoomba

Sickofit1138

(3): Snork, species, Kappy

karnos

(2): Mizzytastic, qubixes

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-06-22 15:59:49)

Chumba is being replaced

Sorry for the lack of vote counts, work has been kicking my ass. Hopefully fixed.

I would be VERY surprised if all of these were town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Persivul

[Titus]

Then we are back in I shut up about my Karnos read for the good of the thread.

I am going to bed as I have work in the morning.

P.s. This might be scum math. I have never seen her concerned about thread health before.

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VOTE: Chumba
For not realizing I changed my vote.

There were two people that didn't realize your vote

before

that. Why change your vote now?

This is town.

[Titus]

I actually read that as he was ok with a wagon happening.

What, are you saying that he didn't really think a wagon was happening, but just had the thought that,

hey, if a wagon

were

happening, I'd be OK with that...

?

If this semantics are the level of discourse, I see why mass sub out

[Titus]

After a full review of the thread, I've gotta re-vote my RVS target:

VOTE: Dierfire

Stop hiding.

If I posted my reads list, it would just be pretty damn similar to everyone else. I think it's obvious chumba is acting extremely pro-town, sickofit and kappy acting a little silly and scummy, and just about everyone else falls in between. Hard to have a strong read on anyone at this point in the game. I'd like to at least see a couple posts from every player by now, the game has been up for almost 24 hours right?

How the fuck did this get wagoned?

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Thank you karnos for reinforcing my read on you.

I don't like your vote. They'll either turn up or get replaced. Voting someone before they've turned up always just feels like a safe play for scum. Also you say kappy and sickofit are acting a little silly and

scummy

. Why vote for someone who hasn't turned up (which is pressure doing nothing, cos they haven't turned up) over someone you think has done scummy stuff?

I don't know, is not having an avatar a scumtell? More importantly, why do you ask? Cos it sounds like you want to call it a scum tell but want to know someone else will follow you first.

What was controversial about your post? You were voting on a viable wagon early game. To me that just sounds like playing the game. I don't get your reasoning. You seem really oversensitive to the fact that it might implicate you. You were voting it to what, L-3? If a quicklynch happened in that time why would your vote be the one that looked really bad? Mislynches happen, mislynches day 1 especially. It's not nice, but it's true. You have to accept that and take the plunge anyway. I don't get why not being implicated in a potential but very unlikely mislynch (unlikely cos of the quicklynch required) is playing to a town win con over putting pressure on someone you think is scummy.

Guys, you are accusing of Kappy of trying to look town in RVS, why aren't we on this too?

Also town.

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Why did I say that

one

of them has an excellent chance to be scum and didn't mention a chance of town in my post?

Because you're intentionally being ambiguous in order to appear to be scum hunting without actually doing so.

Come on. Don't act like you've never seen scum in x y z kinda posts

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post 150 actually kind of supports my non belief actually. The fact that you say his posts up until post 125 match his scum meta means that up until that post you were honestly scum reading him.

still not changing my vote off kappy but I fully support a persivul lynch atm

*squint*

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War of walls on page 11 is where I am out.

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Really, highlight a semantic argument and you run for the exit Persy?

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Interesting...

I think Percy is scum though based on far too early wagon skimming. I am going to hate reading the walls.

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Fire, hi.

I thought me asking you your thoughts in that adorns brain counted. Guess not.

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Pers slot, mecha, math?

Any objections to that scumteam?

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@Titus

Official Vote Count

Persivul

(4): Sickofit1138, ShadyHood, Saru, karnos

Kappy

(4): Chumba, Persivul, Dierfire, MechaGoomba

Sickofit1138

(3): Snork, species, Kappy

karnos

(2): Mizzytastic, qubixes

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-06-22 15:59:49)

Chumba is being replaced

Sorry for the lack of vote counts, work has been kicking my ass. Hopefully fixed.

I would be VERY surprised if all of these were town.

I would also be surprised, but I'm more suspicious of you than I am of Persivul. Are you able to explain why I should vote for Persivul instead of you?

Nope. I wanted to lynch kappy for awhile when I started reading but then I saw I was Kappy. So I got nothing beyond I know I am town that I can share at the moment.

[Titus]

Hmmph, not ruling our Dier. I really don't see why he gave up on me being scum given our last game.

[Titus]

Mod, replace me out. I cannot deal with this without at some point crossing some line and scaring people.

*gives a dragon hug to masquerade*

I want one. Math just made herself really likely scum. I am going to have to vote her but I don't want to.

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Pers slot, mecha, math?

Any objections to that scumteam?

...Yes because it is stupid.
Persivul obv town along with Mecha.

Are you just like throwing names on a board and seeing what sticks? Because this reeks of derp badly.

Good news Titus doesn't make sense so she is probably town. Blah...:/

This is not a question but rhetoric.

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VOTE: Chumba
For not realizing I changed my vote.

There were two people that didn't realize your vote

before

that. Why change your vote now?

This is town.

You usually don't read upon replace in. What made you do it here?

Do you and Masq both suffer from being scum together?

Lol. That. Missed it in the spam. Masq is town sweetie and so am I. I trollol felt like it.

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What've posted. Haven't read past mod ISO and 11.

Suppose the Neopolitan is town and not scum fakeclaiming, what are your reads?

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P.s. You should be alarmed at Mecha stating that you and he could be perceived as a team, but not him and persivul

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Holy fuckwalls.

If you think I read those. Nope.

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Then what are your reads right now considering what you will read?

No change from last time

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Saru, your vote is bad.

Dierfire, the aliens must have jacked my criticism of your townread of me.

Masq/, karnos is a bad vote.

Quibxes, you too. Saru town.

Disagree. 5 sentences or less.

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To work to work. It is off to work I go.
Gotta write some lines of code and earn the dough.

Titus I love you, let's not betray that sister groove.
I have faith in you sis so please make yourself understood.

Then everyone can get a ready on the old slot of Kappy.
And you can make this all super snappy.

When you are town you usually figure things out.
I look forward to hopefully you and scum get in a bout.

Because scum will never win that fight.
I have faith you will turn around and read me right.

This is me trying to reach across the post aisle.
Doing everything I can to make you smile.

Please bring it sis and use more than 5 sentences,
Because there is no limit when you swing for the fences.

I am not reading wall posts.

Shit I need 3 more sentences. Meh, no.

[Titus]

Neither, just annoyed after the first few and would like conspcise thoughts

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Or Masq is town and you both buy the same dumb thoughts. *smacks you*

Seriously, concise isn't anyone's thing. I wish I could lock y'all up for crimes against brevity.

I actually am not feeling many wagons but I would go Dier at deadline.

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Claim, no result, noob

Dude is obvtown yo.

Take a look at other ppl. Ty.

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VOTE: Mecha

Baaaaaah. Get flocked scum.

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@Titus --Be useful and setup spec this while I am driving home. Be home in an hour or two.

Setup spec is largely useless, but could give scum hindsight into whether I am a PR or not. *squint*

We have one night kill and a neopolitan claim. Singleball no sk is default. No evidence otherwise.

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Where do we know there is 3 scum?

For a 13 player game, I assume 3 scum unless there is evidence to the contrary. "OK there was only 1 kill night 1 but doctors exist you can't prove me wrong and my reads don't make sense if it isn't multiball" is not evidence to the contrary by a long shot.
Do you seriously think basic knowledge of how to construct a balanced game is a scumslip? karnos did the same thing you're doing in 382. He was wrong then and you're wrong now.

Seems to be written from a Karnos is known town perspective.

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That's the problem. It's not that Mecha isn't scummy, it doesn't fit in your worldview of Karnos scum. I'm pretty sure on Pers slot plus Mecha at the moment. When he was ok being linked to you and not Persy, that's a big hint.

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Math just obvtowned with that comment about lynching those who don't care.

Why unvote Mecha?

I don't want Magna. Don't think they are scum.

Person and Mecha = Great Lynches
Dierfire = Acceptable

Masq any reason you're townreading Dier? If you cannot read him and cannot trust others to, well...that's permanent nullstate. That doesn't work for me.

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Intent to hammer.

Blech walls on meta. Personality is what meta should be used for. I protect my team, or who I perceive to be on it.

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Hey Dwlee, I has sads. You are scums.

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Prod dodge not feeling well. Across all games.

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I woulda hammered due to Dier not catching up away.

It was him or me. I have a cold so Karnos beat me to it.

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Prod dodge since MS was down Miss you guys Let's lynch some scum in celebration of the site being back up.

I will celebrate once we lynch a scum, then I will bring the dragon alcoholic refreshments. Its like normal alcohol, but on FIRE!

Ooh such a cute lil baby dragon. Drinks on fire happens every night.

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The site was down. How the hell do you hold that against him?

He had 24 hours of catching up soon before the crash.

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VOTE: MechaGoomba

[Titus]

This post:

The main thing is he wants to save Dierfire. It is so obvious to me it is ridiculous.
Seriously it has to be Dierfire/Masquerade/Karnos.

I force Masquerade to take a stand on Dierfire so they vote them in a pinch.
Then Karnos comes in and says "ooooh look at this shiny. Don't you want it more?"

So blatantly bad it makes my skin crawl.

MathBlade essentially blackmailed me into hammering. If I didn't hammer, and dierfire flipped scum, it's pretty obvious how MathBlade could turn that into a lynch on me the following day. In hindsight, knowing dierfire is town, I suspect scum MathBlade was just trying to push me to hammer a townie, but that can't be helped today.

Math intimidated you. It's a tatic both town and scum use. Town when over confident.

[Titus]

Dwlee/Mecha and maybe Math... Much prefer Mecha.

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Math, your reads are utter shit. A Jailkeeper is not eliminated. If the Jailkeeper townread Karnos, then jailing him is dumb. Karnos doesn't clear anyone as a scum Neopolitan or fakeclaimer. Magna didn't object so Magna is determined to be a VT or scum. Your rigid read is picking you up scumreads left and right. It's likely inaccurate as well.

You need to step back and suppose you are wrong for a second. For the sake of town and the game. You screamed Dunn/Infinity in Gunslingers, and you were wrong there. Just step back darling.

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Common sense.

A Jailkeeper that decided to protect/Roleblock Karnos n1 but decided not to n2 is absolutely viable.

This isn't a frame up Math. You're doing this to yourself by trying to fit a square peg into an obviously round hole.

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Now, if I told you that Karnos said your reads were shit, and you had to convince Karnos about your reads, you'd laugh at me. I am not convincing mecha they are scum. If you cannot get my reads, I will talk to you.

What I need from you is to consider the possibility of Karnos town, even if you immediately say you disagree with it. Suspend disbelief please.

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@Saru, Please don't respond inline. Those are hard to follow.

To me, Math is doing the same tunnel she always does and doesn't take in new information. Is it possible she's scum? Yes. Likely, no.

Mecha and Dwlee need rope like yesterday.

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@Mecha, Already done. When you said it was ok for me to think you were scum with Math but not Persivul (Dwlee now).

My push on you is hardly infoless. You scared? Dwlee and you are likely scumpartners. Just need to find the last.

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@Saru, You also said you were damn positive Dierfire was scum.

Why don't you listen for once?

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I did. Look back at doesn't say anything of value other than look at me. Second, it's Notconsistent with your supposed strength of scumread on Dier.

Objecting that you cannot get an easy mislynch in Math or out of places to look or self absorbed? Help me figure out which is you.

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Math is a stubborn fool. T v Ts happen.

I didn't ignore your post on Mecha. Disagreeing =/= ignoring.

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Mecha is scum flailing. Pushing a quicklynch, kissing up to Magna.

I'm not walling. Don't confuse that for silence.

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First, I have 30 years of Math experience. 1202 and 1208 are her thrilled you agree with her, not her kissing your ass.

Math had a decent reason to vote Dierfire. It was him or them.

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@Magna, It does. That doesn't mean it cannot be scum scum.

If you think Mecha scumclaimed, vote him with me. *bats eyelashes*

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@Masq, Are you seriously proposing Math/Mecha/Titus right now?

If you think it is me and Mecha as buddies, why not help me bus? (Obviously not true on me + mecha, highlighting a fallacy).

@Saru, Glad to know you see the truth as no reason. Looks like we're going to have to show rather than explain if you're town.

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Wtf? My eyes are bleeding.

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@Saru, Discredits noted. People take much longer to change their core interior. I've played more games of Mafia or Resistance than the rest of the game put together with them. Call it garbage, but it isn't. If Math has weird associations, it makes them more likely to be town. I also know the intent of what Math tries to convey. She was not buddying you in her posts.

Also, if you felt buddied, why not call it out at the time?

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@Saru, She couldn't rig the bad tunnel on Karnos before I got here.

That last paragraph is why Math is town. Being wrong and stubborn isn't scummy.

Magna is town. I am town. Math is town. Karnos is town.That's a whole lot of town.

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Fire are you the last scum? Fire, I don't want that to be true.

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Math isn't scum here. You're going the same thing they are. You're scumreading disagreement. Knock it off.

I thought Magna was the clear for a bit. That does make things easier with you being the clear.

Math, Magna, Masq, Karnos and I are all likely probtown. Saru although too stubborn for sanity is likely town.

VOTE: Dwlee

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Ok I'd like to talk about Kapy just jumping on me when I knew about scum daychat and I also want to talk about Mecha acting awkward around it as if he was asking what others thought before he was jumping. I brought this up before. I want some serious responses. If you don;t believe I'm a vt you can lynch me or Karnos, otherwise start talking to me.

I do think you're a vt. Mecha has been wierd since I arrived. Kappy was awkward from my read through. I get to know Kappy is town. You don't. If you have something I can answer without knowing Kappy's thoughts great...but that ain't it.

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Math, Magna, Masq, Karnos and I are all likely probtown. Saru although too stubborn for sanity is likely town.

VOTE: Dwlee

So the scum team in your mind is Mecha/Firebringer/Dwlee? I find this very unlikely. Mecha for reasons already stated. Firebringer because of his apathy towards the game. I would imagine that scum!Firebringer would be at-least a

bit

worried about being so inactive in this game while continuing to be active throughout most of the forum in general. I read his apathy as town, similar to Johnny. Dwlee is the only one I can see as a potential scum, mainly because of his predecessor and not really anything that he's done. While I do find his inactivity and unwillingness to not read to be annoying, him being on V/LA doesn't really make me want to push him on that right now.

Is your vote on Dwlee a push to get him to respond or do you just feel he has higher chance of being scum than Mecha or Firebringer?

Firebringer apathy/trolling = puppy mafia = scum

I am voting the largest wagon in my possible scum verse. No shame yo.

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I am voting the largest wagon in my possible scum verse. No shame yo.

Damn, I will say one thing, you are very good at making pretty believable excuses. Nah, not buying it. In my scum verse, your vote was opportunistic. Shame on you.

Excuses my ass. I'm jumping yo. In a townie opportunistic manner. I'm not about to quibble over which of my scumreads gets rope first.

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@Saru, I am not you. I want to lynch scum. There's a threshold. You cross it, you're lynchable. If not, you don't.

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@Saru, I am not you. I want to lynch scum. There's a threshold. You cross it, you're lynchable. If not, you don't.

Bullshit on bullshit. So what is this supposed threshold, then? Has Dwlee's inactivity made you believe that he is as scummy as Mecha? Or that it has passed the threshold? From my understanding, you feel that Dwlee is scum because of his slot. Are you not willing to let Dwlee argue otherwise? Seeing as he is V/LA, it only increases my suspicion of you voting him in a scum opportunistic manner. For town who subscribes to your threshold argument, voting their scum read who is V/LA over voting for their scum read who isn't would be silly and they'd know that. Scum, OTOH, could care less. They'd want to vote the V/LA one because that one would be less willing to argue against their lynch. Someone like Mecha is hard for you to mislynch because he's putting in effort in try not to get lynched. Dwlee doesn't seem to be doing that. You as scum see the opportunity, and obviously grab for it. You get +1 points for trying to spin it though.

Threshold is

Are you scum? Yes or No?

Word vomit is not your forte.

Seriously, I can out vomit you. I just don't care to.

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Prepare yourselves people...I am about to post a colored vote count for for y'all and then everyone can see where the chips lie.

I will even do two shiny lists.
1) For the people who read me correctly
And I will even include a two for people who may need to go find their Wheaties to fix their reads.

Ooh VCA. I forgot it's Day 3 but we lack a scum flip.

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There's no reason for scum Karnos to confirm me. Maybe if we were scum together but I know my role pm and I'm not scum so Karnos and I aren;t scum together so Karnos is town.
Math could have jumped on Karnos yesterday, I'm not doing it today. Too late. Too obvious. Scum.

Fuck this logic. I have been at the top of my goddamn lungs asking for Karnos's head on a fucking platter and served raw. Gawd this logic is terribad. Like this looks again like a reach.

Seriously the thread was town reading me at the end of the day and while I am at work I get pushed to L-1? Have we already demonstrated two shitty hammers this game and set up for a third. This should scream something is wrong!

Yes, your reads AND you're being pushed by scum.

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That's great for VCA.

Have you considered Karnos as town yet Sis?

[Titus]

Titus why did you ignore my big thought post if you are town

What big thought post?

[Titus]

Karnos makes sense with titus, math.

Die.

P.s. Try and fight me. You'll lose.

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That's great for VCA.

Have you considered Karnos as town yet Sis?

Have you considered Karnos as scum Sis?

I have been trying to piece together those worlds all fucking game and partner hunting trying to cooperate but no one has stated a single reason why Karnos is town. Tell me why besides their actions.

Actions are how people are read. How can I say Karnos is town without using what posts they said?

Ok, karnos likes calculating the rate of speed to throw his hammer and the angle to throw t using Pi.

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That's great for VCA.

Have you considered Karnos as town yet Sis?

Have you considered Karnos as scum Sis?

I have been trying to piece together those worlds all fucking game and partner hunting trying to cooperate but no one has stated a single reason why Karnos is town. Tell me why besides their actions.

Actions are how people are read. How can I say Karnos is town without using what posts they said?

Ok, karnos likes calculating the rate of speed to throw his hammer and the angle to throw t using Pi.

..... I meant claimed night actions sis. Stop being sarcastic.

I cannot consider a non-jailor possibility. My initial catchup has town posts by Karnos highlighted.

[Titus]

Sit down and think about that while I grab your posts. Be calm. Ok. I said those specific words for a reason.

Also, make nice with Masq.

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After a full review of the thread, I've gotta re-vote my RVS target:

VOTE: Dierfire

Stop hiding.

If I posted my reads list, it would just be pretty damn similar to everyone else. I think it's obvious chumba is acting extremely pro-town, sickofit and kappy acting a little silly and scummy, and just about everyone else falls in between. Hard to have a strong read on anyone at this point in the game. I'd like to at least see a couple posts from every player by now, the game has been up for almost 24 hours right?

How the fuck did this get wagoned?

[Titus]

Every single fucking post...

Like Karnos is trying to draw people in and get them to contribute. That is the best sample.

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I hope you will understand I am on vacation right now and mafia isn't my first priority, I am around to talk to people in my games but going through and rereading the thread and trying to make connections to things isn't for me this week (don't like rereading anyway cause I don't really get much out of it but oh well).
My thoughts on the game rn are mainly math blade town. I feel that their frustration to the pushes on them is a town frustration. Titus can't read me like always so she could be doing that or be trying to mislynch me. In regards to (magna?) saying my callout of the hammer was bad, the hammer was bad because it was random when we still had some time for me to talk more (I declared intent but was planning on waiting at least a day) and their reasons for it seemed kind of bad. I think if the hammer was scum that means Titus is scum because I remember very clearly in cyberpunk where Titus wanted me to derp hammer diamondsentinel with a sheep vote so I can see her directing that her as well. The uncounterclaimed investigative is interesting, mass claim might be good since we are well in the game at this point. That is where I'm at right now

This isn't a thought post. This is narrative crafting protect me from Titus posting.

Call me when you have reads to discuss.

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Karnos makes sense with titus, math.

Die.

P.s. Try and fight me. You'll lose.

me losing doesn't make you any less scum tho
Then I can say post game "I tried to lynch Titus but no one listened wahhh"

And then you'll have to put up with the facepalms or you tried hard as scum and lost.

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Convinced you of what?

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@Dwlee, huh?

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Hey Math is still voting that shitty Karnos scumread. There's nothing stopping you from going full derp town.

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Or math is town.

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Thoughts on Dwlee/Pers, Saru?

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You are in the running for scum now Saru.

Pretty sure scum is in dwlee fire Mecha saru and only one is wrong.

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Karnos, can you give reads supposing Dwlee is scum. Like on everyone.

*hig*

[Titus]

*hug*

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You are in the running for scum now Saru.

Pretty sure scum is in dwlee fire Mecha saru and only one is wrong.

but Titus, I am town <3

Then give me intellectual hugs.

Who is scum?

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F. Just fuck me.

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Yeah..I had a terrible spot there. Won't lie. I had a bad cold and thought Manga was the clear. Then I saw the mistake.

Masons frequently register as scum to me.

I had no clue about mylo.

Basically I thought I had all the information when I had none.

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No. I just sucked, and was the jailor that you were "derpishly" denying existed.

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Yeah, I didn't know that I pretty much had to stop a kill. I don't know why the masons tried to recruit. I don't know why no one CCed Karnos.

I had a major info deficiency. No way I jail Masq if I have to stop a kill.

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If Karnos flips mafia or math did and I was alive, I would have shown meta saying math hyperbusses.

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Just curious, did the mafia notice my crumb of Mecha as mason? It's in post #36 of Mason PT.

Tbh, I scumread masons so me thinking you and mecha were scum made sense.

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Yeah, I see that innately with masons.

Also, why no cc?

Why hide?