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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:11 pm

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In post 723, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 722, Accountant wrote:
In post 720, animorpherv1 wrote:I don't think you understand the sheer amount of crappy luck I get.
look my lad luck isn't a thing only probability exists stop blaming your losses on luck you just look salty at best and making excuses at worst
The problem is your reasoning says that ani has to play extremely often to counter it, which ani may not be willing to do.

Also since the introduction of dynamic, i would say that a Support that isn't in a premade would have an extremely hard time.
if ani doesn't play extremely often then he shouldn't be surpised that he can't climb into plat :o
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:15 pm

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Dynamic queue is not the solution to climbing.

I know someone that plays dynamic queue for basically all of his games. He's a support main.

He's stuck sitting in the same place down in gold 4/5. I've won 90% of the games I've played with him on my smurf and it doesn't help because he continues to butt his head into the wall without actually improving. He's genuinely a gold level player. His champ pool is limited. His build paths are incorrect. His decision making is wanting. When I give him advice, his reply is "but I just like doing it this way."

He is a friend, so I don't give him the harsh truth, but the harsh truth is that dynamic queue is more likely to hold you back than push you forward, and that unless you improve how you play and break all your habits of "I just like doing it this way" and start to actively think about what could be better than what you're doing and spend time actually planning each move that you're going to do before you do it consistently, you're not going to climb. This is true no matter what level you're at. If you're not climbing, the only factor you can influence is how well or poorly you are playing. Work on that and the rest will follow.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:26 pm

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That logic is absurd. Doing nothing but planning will mean you miss opportunities that appear that you don't expect, so you have to be able to do both. And if all you needed was to be able to olay well and win, damn I wish having 20% of a puzzle meant I could complete it
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:33 pm

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I don't know, maybe I'm missing the other pieces but I seem to have made a pretty picture anyway.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:42 pm

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But it's not a picture that's actually meaningful im any way. It's missing a lot of pieces and is really jaggy. Plus it's not worth framing. You also likely have a few stray pieces sitting about.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:46 pm

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its the picture that got him to plat
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:52 pm

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it just sounds like a lot of empty complaining
i don't think anyone can intelligibly blame luck for long-run patterns
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i don't know how i'm just silver but these are facts
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:04 pm

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Here's my thinking, and i'm not saying ani does or doesn't deserve to climb or anything like that.

If you are queuing as a support by yourself, likelihood is both teams will have premades, because that is what Dynamic queue has caused, these premades can be good, or can be bad, but this isn't the point.

The point that will affect ani, is that she 100% will have no knowledge of her ADC, no voice comms etc.

Yet there is a decent chance, that the enemy team has a Premade bot that know each other well and have voice comms, and i run into this all the time in my games, and can't think of a time in ranked where i have had 2 un-premade bot lanes.

This doesn't change anything in terms of everyone else on the rift, but it makes any support main without a premade, have a hard time, sure you can do the right things, but if the bot laner doesn't know what the right things to do are, then you run into a problem, and even just being out of sync with your bot laner can cause problems (going aggressive when your ADC doesn't expect it for example)
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:04 pm

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Ani is a he, friend.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:06 pm

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Fuck i know that. :shifty:

It's just using the name Ani when i type automatically makes me start typing she.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:10 pm

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Ftr, support is a completely worthless role that they should just delete.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:11 pm

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Majority of my games have no clear premades or if they are premade it's usually jungler + solo laner. I rarely if ever deal with premade bots and when I do it is usually an extremely easy shitstomp that makes me wonder how they ever even got to my elo to begin with.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:13 pm

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I also think premade bot lanes always lose
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:17 pm

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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:22 pm

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Aaaand then my phone's net died. Tonight is officially the worst.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:28 pm

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I can't remember the last time I've seen a clear premade, other than one time 4 members of my team did not speak or ping and moved like telepathic and I was nasus top and farmed whole game and we powerhoused to victory
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:30 pm

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In post 740, Accountant wrote:I can't remember the last time I've seen a clear premade, other than one time 4 members of my team did not speak or ping and moved like telepathic and I was nasus top and farmed whole game and we powerhoused to victory
Do you look at club tags before the game starts (or during i guess)?

I've ran into lots of obvious premades mostly because i am always looking at the loading screen to start off with, and notice the tags.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:33 pm

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I check for premades every game.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:36 pm

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In post 741, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 740, Accountant wrote:I can't remember the last time I've seen a clear premade, other than one time 4 members of my team did not speak or ping and moved like telepathic and I was nasus top and farmed whole game and we powerhoused to victory
Do you look at club tags before the game starts (or during i guess)?

I've ran into lots of obvious premades mostly because i am always looking at the loading screen to start off with, and notice the tags.
I've never see more than 2 people with the same club tag in a game, but then again I hardly ever give a shit about tags
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:26 pm

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Every game you're in has premades. Probably 4 duos.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:43 pm

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Remember guys, sometimes you need to go into normals and just horse around.
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:39 am

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Just make sure you go into normals and throw the first stone.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:14 am

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I'm a diamond 5 (quickly climbing) support main who plays predominantly solo. I almost always lose lane in the later levels with a pre-made who I'm on voice comms with ftr.

Support is a really rewarding role if you invest the time into learning it well. It's not as flashy as other roles in that you won't be getting a pentakill etc. Anytime soon but there's nothing more satisfying than something like madlifing the enemy ad carry and tilting them for life.
That's just my two cents anyway.

I'm also going to acknowledge that playing support in high elo is definitely a lot more rewarding / enjoyable than the lower ranks so what do I know
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:50 am

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I tried out Ashe top today, first time i've played her since the rework, went in blind without any knowledge of build/skill order(ftr I maxed w->q->e and built runaans -> ie -> bloodthirster) and got an S+, destroyed everyone, great times
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:00 am

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In post 712, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 711, RayFrost wrote:
In post 710, animorpherv1 wrote:I don't know why I bother with ranked. It's not like climbing past gold as support (jungle primary but lets be honest) is even possible solo.
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