Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

Show me the scum win con pls.

It's on the mechanics post:

Loosely speaking, at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction. They win if they control 50% of the living.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Why are you disagreeing with me saying ActionDan's point is good if you clearly didn't even read it?

-Nahdia

The things that were quoted still tell us nothing.
"Loosely speaking" can be just "hidden" we aren't informed of jack shit.

[Stormblade]

Loosely speaking,

there is at least one town faction

. They win if all threats to them are eliminated.
Loosely speaking,

at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction

. They win if they control 50% of the living.

[Salt Squad]

That doesnt confirm you didnt get culled into the Cult Faction, nothing is known about them, they may as well convert whatever and just change it into their faction without altering their race for all i know.
All I know is that you're lying about your faction whether it's always been yours or it's your current one.

The Isolationist name sounds kinda awkward for a cult faction tho i admit.

Or your cop isn't strong willed and you are completely bullshitting me right now ^_^

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Loosely speaking,

there is at least one town faction

. They win if all threats to them are eliminated.
Loosely speaking,

at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction

. They win if they control 50% of the living.

Thats not telling us who are ENEMIES ARE!
That tells us that one faction wants everyone dead.

So is everyone else survivors?

[Stormblade]

Just based off flavor we've seen, I'm fairly sure the only true scum factions are the Wulden and the Nosferatu. Everything else is an intricate web of "who can win with who".

-Nahdia

[Stormblade]

Well, and the cult.

-Nahdia

[Luna Fox]

That doesnt confirm you didnt get culled into the Cult Faction, nothing is known about them, they may as well convert whatever and just change it into their faction without altering their race for all i know.
All I know is that you're lying about your faction whether it's always been yours or it's your current one.

The Isolationist name sounds kinda awkward for a cult faction tho i admit.

Or your cop isn't strong willed and you are completely bullshitting me right now ^_^

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

[Tim]

what gripes ASOIAF is that it's technically possible that the "50% control to win" part is suppressed in a scum flip. I honestly have my doubts if Mastin would be that cruel.

[Salt Squad]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

[Almost50]

I get the feeling NOBODY is reading! Like.. how does:

"You win when all threats to the

Individual Vampire faction

have been eliminated."

read like "Town" to you guys?? Unless you're Vampires yourselves.

From what I gather we have like 4 Human Factions (Titus flipped Western, so I would expect Northern and Eastern each comprise their own factions), and Molla belonged to the "Individual Humans" making it 4 Town (err.. HUMAN) factions already. We also have the Undead who are apparently aligned with Humans, then we have the Vampires and we have the Wuldens (nobody flipped that, but that's the Cult, unless -of course- Vampires are the Cult in this game).

Yes, I'm confused too, but not to the extent I'd call a Human flip Scum and a Vampire one Town.

Also, 3 Heros (one of each faction as stated in Titus' role PM) "could" point to them 3 committing the 3 kills, but I can't see Humans having 3 kills with scum not having any, so I'm assuming at least one of them didn't go through.

If we inspect Titus PM closely (she's Human AND a killing role, so that's why) she could only kill her target if non-Human, so that's dram. (Unless she used her 1-shot FACTION KILL on Molla).

I'm assuming the other 2 so called heroes can only kill humans too (or to be more precise: have similar PMs to Titus?) in which case it's more likely we had TWO scum kills on Humans and one human kill on Scum.

Oh, also.. either the 3 nations factions do not have doctors or they do not know eachother (one more reason to reassure you Titus was town, bc the doctor of her faction should've been on her if he knew who she was, simply because she was the HERO).

Suffice it to say, 4-Human factions, with -at least- 3 of them possessing a "conditional" killing role, one non-Human faction allied with the Humans, and 1-2 Scum factions that can kill, plus a cult!! WOW! That's 7 factions in total, making each of 4, maybe??

[mastin2]

@Mod Please answer if this is against or with the town: "You win when all threats to the West Empire faction have been eliminated." Is this faction with or against

Refer to the mechanics post. There is at least one town faction in this game.
They win when all threats to them have been eliminated.
There is at least one scum faction in this game.
They win when they control 50% of the playerlist.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

what gripes ASOIAF is that it's technically possible that the "50% control to win" part is suppressed in a scum flip. I honestly have my doubts if Mastin would be that cruel.

This 100%, the game even states that their 100% ambiguity in alignments for a reasonn and that Win Conditions are not public info.

[Luna Fox]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

they do also have another check.
We massclaimed our stuff in the neighborhood, and they got a correct check on the second one.

We either got extremly unlucky, or you're lying.

[Stormblade]

Are people not reading the flavor? The flavor is important guys. I'm 100% serious.

-Nahdia

[Salt Squad]

A50 if I was scum why wouldn't mastin give me a scum fake claim.
If I am scum why would I just respond to a fake faction cop allegation by claiming a scum win condition.

[Tim]

Salt, can you recruit?

p-edit: Luna's point about the cult might also be a thing that's true, that I didn't even think of before. Like they could be hiding as a faction that recruits but in a non-obvious way

[Salt Squad]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

they do also have another check.
We massclaimed our stuff in the neighborhood, and they got a correct check on the second one.

We either got extremly unlucky, or you're lying.

I think you are lying to me honestly. Like wtf.

Pedit: Yes... >_>

[Salt Squad]

I can't be scum because I don't know who my allies where at the start of the game.
Unless I am some shit tier scum faction that needs to soft claim scum to find my buddies.

[Salt Squad]

That also doesn't receive fake claims.

[Stormblade]

So you don't have a PT, but you do have a recruit...?

-Nahdia

[Luna Fox]

I've mostly been interrogating you to eliminate the possibility of Isolationist being scum, but considering you keep lying im bound to think it's a scum faction.

Vote: Salt Squad

Either that or it was an extremely unlucky redirect.

[Titus]

Go town!

[Salt Squad]

So you don't have a PT, but you do have a recruit...?

-Nahdia

I literally just said yes to this question.

[Almost50]

Was Dram scum?

Also

VOTE: Wayward

~Bee

No he wasn't. He was aligned with Humans. His faction wins when all threats are eliminated and all humans get together.