Gistou (Over!)

[RAM]

I can dig the Invidual Vampires being the superhappyfuntime friends of the Individual Humans, but the humanity treaty stuff is dodgy af and I want it dead.

^ Basically this.

I can't figure out this "New Humanity Treaty" stuff. Seems like the Town Wincon for scum counterparts? Like for the Wuldan and whatever Dram was? I can't tell if it was town or not. But again if LLD is scum why would she fakeclaim it? Does that make it town? Would LLD just claim scum? No?

I think it might be the Town counterpart for the Wuldan. Because, being Wuldan is scummy as fuck but it doesn't make you scum.


Still the LLD is fakeclaiming, though.

~ Bins


pedit — dw man you're town Wake and A50 has already claimed Northern.

[Luna Fox]

Which is it? Was there possibly a redirect, or is it CERTAIN beyond any doubt that this individual received SS' faction information?

No i was lying about strong willed to test for reactions but he saw through it, just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection.

Vote: LLD

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

can' you understand?

there is AT LEAST one mafia faction with requiering majority to win

that post from a mastin proves nothing about individual vampires treats or threatening factions.

[rb]

I'm going to hazard a guess that the Town which is meant to co-operate, who don't have PT and who can have a shared win is:

- Individual Humans
- Northern Tribes
- West Empire
- Eastern Kingdom

By virtue of the fact that Individual Humans are called individual Humans - and the Tribes, Empire and Kingdom all have a HUMAN champion who presumably kills non-humans.

[rb]

Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

ALL I'm saying is that we don't know if their town

Don't just fucking call them town and move on

[copper223]

I'm human and 'Other' so no it doesn't mean shit. Race is literally poop in this game.

False, Martin confirmed that geography makes it more likely for you to be a certain faction, and that there are exceptions to throw people off.

So you confirm claiming human with other as a nation?

[RAM]

(Sorry mastin, quote tags are all fucked up in that previous post, along with the text color etc. If you could fix it I would be very appreciative, so I'm not stealing your color).

-Cerb

pedit: True. The exact verbiage used DOES only guarantee at least one scum faction that wins if they control 50% of the vote. I also disagree with that notion. I'm more inclined to believe that the ambiguity that allows that line of reasoning to be valid was a necessary evil for mastin to avoid giving out more information than she desired about the setup. I can't think of any way for her to confirm that all "town factions" eliminate threats and all 'scum factions" attempt to control the vote without confirming definitively that there are two of more of each, thus her phrasing could have been intended to be interpreted either way.

[RAM]

I'm going to hazard a guess that the Town which is meant to co-operate, who don't have PT and who can have a shared win is:

- Individual Humans
- Northern Tribes
- West Empire
- Eastern Kingdom

By virtue of the fact that Individual Humans are called individual Humans - and the Tribes, Empire and Kingdom all have a HUMAN champion who presumably kills non-humans.

Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.

Yay for rb saying literally what I just said


glad you're getting it tho

~ Bins

[rb]

I'm human and 'Other' so no it doesn't mean shit. Race is literally poop in this game.

False, Martin confirmed that geography makes it more likely for you to be a certain faction, and that there are exceptions to throw people off.

So you confirm claiming human with other as a nation?

'More likely'
'Exceptions to throw people off'

Yes, I'm a human from the Nation of 'Other'.

Apparently I'm the exception. So I guess that DOES make heartless more likely scum unless there's more than one exception, by Mastin's mechanics.

[Wake1]

So since I don't know who is with me or against me, what does this mean?

It doesn't say I'm individual or isolationist, and I don't have a PT.

All it says is that you win if all threats to the Northern Tribes faction have been eliminated.

Problem is, I don't know who or what they are.

You're Town.

Game Mechanics

:

[*]Loosely speaking,

there is at least one town faction

. They win if all threats to them are eliminated. [*]

Loosely speaking,

at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction

. They win if they control 50% of the living.

Role

You are an

Individual Vampire Doctor

.

[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

In addition, you hold the following

personal abilities

:

1. During the night, target a player. They will be protected from any attempts on their life.
2. Racial checker
   : During the night, in addition to any actions you may take, you may
   check
   a player's
   race
   .

You give the home

Nation

result of

Northern Tribes

.
You give the

Location

result of

Other

.
You give the

Race

result of

Vampire

.

You win when all threats to

the

Individual Vampire

faction

have been eliminated.

[/spoiler]

role

You are the

West Empire Champion

.

HUMANITY'S CHAMPION:

1. Rivalry knowledge:
   You know that there are two other human champions:
   Panther Timon
   of the
   Eastern Kingdom
   , and
   Adrian Burkhard
   , of the
   Northern Tribes
   . There may be other champions in existence as well, however, if so, they would differ from the three human champions' symbiotic relationship.
2. Teeth-clenched teamwork:
   You hold a
   conditional X-shot bulletproof vest
   . This is an
   instantly-applied action
   . X = the number of
   human champions dead
   . You will be informed how many vests you hold. These vests protect against
   one
   nightkill attempt, and are applied
   before any protective role
   .
3. Any attempt to recruit you to a different faction will fail.

In addition to your status as a champion of humanity, you hold the following

personal abilities

:

1. During the night, target a player. If they are
   not a human
   , then you will
   kill
   them.
2. Once in the game, during the night, you may target a player. If
   they do not share your nation
   , they will die. This takes the place of your non-human kill.
3. Once in the game, during the night, you may target a player. If
   they do not share your faction
   , they will die. This takes the place of your non-human kill.
4. Old Grudge:
   If you target
   Panther Timon
   or
   Adrian Burkhard
   , regardless of whether they fit the conditions for your nightkill or not, you will kill them.
5. During pregame, you may select either "location" or "nation". Each night, in addition to any night action you perform, you may investigate a player and learn whichever you selected in pregame.

You give the home

Nation

result of

West Empire

.
You give the

Location

result of

Great Ridge

.
You give the

Race

result of

Human

.

You win when all threats to

the

West Empire

faction

have been eliminated.

dramonic

, who was

Eugine Lysander,

Undead Risen Slave

, has

died N1

.

Role

You are an

Undead Risen Slave

.

[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

In addition to the above, you hold the following

personal ability

:

Racial Checker

: During the night, in addition to any actions you may take, you may

check

a player's

race

.
You give the home

Nation

result of

East Kingdom

.
You give the

Location

result of

Divitias

.
You give the

Race

result of

Undead

.

You win if all threats to a new humanity treaty are eliminated and at least one player with this wincon is alive.

[/quote]

BBMolla

, who was

Julia Otho,

Individual Human Jailkeeper

, has

died N1

.

Role

You are an

Individual Human Jailkeeper

.
You hold the following

personal abilities

:

1. During the night, target a player. You will protect them from any and all nightkills, while also blocking
   all
   actions they perform.
2. During pregame, you may select either "location" or "nation". Each night, in addition to any night action you perform, you may investigate a player and learn whichever you selected in pregame.

You give the home

Nation

result of

West Empire

.
You give the

Location

result of

Great Ridge

.
You give the

Race

result of

Human

.

You win if all threats to

the

Individual Humans

faction

have been eliminated.

[/quote]

[/quote]

This is the friggin proof FA. Mastins post: They win if all threats to them are eliminated. EVERY SINGLE WIN CON WE'VE SEEN(AND YOU'RE OWN, ASSUMING YOU'RE TOWN): "You win if all threats to <faction name> are eliminated".

-Cerb

pedit: There are people in this thread who are apparently ignoring Nahdia and incapable of understanding the basic mechanics of this game, in spite of overwhelming evidence...and are making cases against people based on that misunderstanding. It has to be corrected copper.[/quote]

Cerb you can add mine, too. Northern Tribes in bold cyan. Northern Tribes/Other/Human. You win if all threats to

the

Northern Tribes

faction

have been eliminated.

Role PM flavor implies that Wulden/nosferatu/undead are the enemy, but it's ambiguous.

[Wake1]

Cerb you can add mine, too. Northern Tribes in bold cyan. Northern Tribes/Other/Human. You win if all threats to

the

Northern Tribes

faction

have been eliminated.

Role PM flavor implies that Wulden/nosferatu/undead are the enemy, but it's ambiguous.

[RAM]

Wow, I got like so many strong townreads in these past pages.

Woot woot.

~ Bins

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I did my part and explained this fualty logic

I asked if they are a treat to my wincon and mastin refused to answer.

The Vampire faction is NOT mod confirmed town aligned.

Like the way cerb was not a friendly treestumper in saga

please don't ignore this on later days even If I wasn't around.

I need to chat with fire about our vote before casting it though

@luna do you have any clue what a new human treaty is?

~Ice

[rb]

Why do I feel like there's a human scum faction though? Why tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[rb]

Am actually on the side of FA here because we're all acting like things are mod confirmed when things aren't really mod confirmed and I don't like that people keep using the term mod confirmed when the things they're talking about aren't really mod confirmed because it makes me think they're just saying mod confirmed to make me feel like they're mod confirmed when they aren't really mod confirmed.

Mod confirmed.

[Luna Fox]

@luna do you have any clue what a new human treaty is?

That's the problem.
I have no idea.
I just assume it's to protect humans and defeat people who are against it.
I have asked mastin, but i got nothing.

[Luna Fox]

Why do I feel like there's a human scum faction though? Why tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Because it is possible?
We have been talking as if Race = Win con.
When it's Faction that = Win con.

[Luna Fox]

Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Actually it seems like an event in the game and a hidden mechanic or the game end

I beleive you guys are the servivors who must live till the game end if you trutfully have no idea whats a new human treaty.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

I'm not trying to say if lld is scum you are as well or anything like it

I'm just trying understand this weird win condition

~Ice

[Luna Fox]

Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

I'm not trying to say if lld is scum you are as well or anything like it

I'm just trying understand this weird win condition

~Ice

Well if you come up with something that'd be good.
Because neither of us in the hood has any idea.
I've just been playing as i've assumed it, i think it's a town win condition due to necessarily need to defeat all threats to this humanity treaty, and i assumed that the members of this humanity treaty = the town.
But probably members of it dont know they are members of it?
I dont even know.

Tho at least i find it fun trying to figure this out.

[rb]

I feel like either the Eastern/Northern factions are potential scum.

[Luna Fox]

I mean doesnt treaty sound like a peace treaty or something, that's more or less how i've assumed it so far.

[rb]

I have pretty much nothing other than a gut feeling that Mastin didn't put in 4 human tribes and make every single one Town. Just a thought.