Mini 1811 [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Iraonvp

I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Iraonvp

I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.

ALso agree that this hop on from murdercats looks shitty. But I'm not reading it as opportunistic. I think it's a bus.

I feel like this is a post designed to look like he wants to vote Ira, but he's subtlety hinting that Ira's town meta looks scummy.

There's no hinting involved. His town meta does look scummy. So does his scum meta. Hence why I want to get a read there. Come on JarJar.

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.

Lol holy shit, are you scum dude?

[MURDERCAT]

Holy shit are you for real? Like how are you twisting my words this much as town.

VOTE: JJD

Mafioso, do you know me?

[MURDERCAT]

Daykill: MURDERCAT

sick I'm town gj.

[MURDERCAT]

If that's real

[MURDERCAT]

It's like there's a disconnect between what MURDERCAT thinks and what he posts.

If he thinks I appear scum-aligned regardless of my alignment, he wouldn't say I looked suspicious, he would say I looked null.

Shit like this is why I think you look scummy. That makes no fucking sense.

[MURDERCAT]

Daykill: MURDERCAT

sick I'm town gj.

you promise?

mhmm

I'm going to marathon, please find town reads on me by then, thanks.

[MURDERCAT]

vote JJD then

[MURDERCAT]

Lol come on, 46 is nothing.

[MURDERCAT]

Do you know me?

[MURDERCAT]

Pushing on MURDER is easy

lol

[MURDERCAT]

Nope, just wondering.

[MURDERCAT]

Accountant talk to me about JJD's later posts.

[MURDERCAT]

Doing a full reread because I've been marathoning and not paying enough attention here.

Spoiler: Thoughts

Serious but sad non game related note: nobody in my 6+ years here has ever asked to be a hydra with me

I will hydra with you IAI! We can be "I am a Cat"

I mean, just because I sound like I think I know what I'm doing doesn't mean I'm not scum. Go ahead and come up with another reason why I'm town.

townish post

VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me

Read a town game of his

I see a couple of sides have been created. I don't like how fast people are wagoning iraonavp, especially this early in the day. I don't like it at all.

What would you like to do instead? RQS?

Mainly town. His vote may have seemed opportunistic, but he also added an FOS on IaI with kind of solid reasoning, so that's a town-read from me. However I would like it if he gave his opinion on other things as well, such as my scum-read on yourself.

omg this is such obvious bs man its page 4 why are you explaining so much

no town would have thought this much about things already you are just spewing stuff to sound good lol

Some people are just like that yo.

I don't think Accountant has posted anything out of the ordinary for town them as of 187.

Murder is town. High confidence in this.

JR knows me.

Wagon speed this early is NAI and it annoys me that was attempted to be used as a defense because it's not one.

On point

The way this is phrased sounds like he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned, look, he's basically expressing anger towards JarJarDrinks being misrepresentative, not him being scum-aligned. There's no reason for him to be upset if he actually thinks JarJarDrinks is scum-aligned anyway, he would think that he's a scum-aligned player trying to lynch him and not be bothered by it.

MURDERCAT is scum-aligned and "caught for the wrong reasons". His outrage at being accused is genuine, but only made more so by the fact that he is scum-aligned. He actually thinks that JarJarDrinks' argument is stupid, yet in his eyes it infuriatingly comes to the correct conclusion.

wut

MURDERCAT literally said "how are you being so misrepresentative as town"!

Obviously my point was he couldn't be misrepping me that much as town. See: the fucking next line where I vote him.

56 shows that he's a victim of the misconception that voting creates pressure on people that then forces them to reveal their alliance a little more clearly. It's wrong and bad town play, and he could achieve a read by just posting more and reading more closely. But the main thing about 53 is that Murdercat is trying to get reads, and is probably town.

As I said above, I've been marathoning. Pressure does create action though and actions can be read.

Pacman, why won't you vote?

[MURDERCAT]

Ok, I figured it was a meta thing

[MURDERCAT]

vote: trivium

seriously

Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.

[MURDERCAT]

Unless you think pacman is a noob who forgot to put their partner in a reads list, I don't see how that's scum indicative. I feel like scum would have motivation to have a strong opinion there, one way or the other.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok, well I won't answer for him again.

[MURDERCAT]

"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.

This is lazy scumhunting. Why is that more likely to come from scum?

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry, I got distracted, continuing to catch up.

[MURDERCAT]

"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.

This is lazy scumhunting. Why is that more likely to come from scum?

This is a lazy question. I think it's kind of obvious, but I guess I'll elaborate. The quote change posts struck me as if he was thinking too much about how he was putting his words, especially on a post that looked like it was trying to be townie by saying he didn't give a shit what the other person had to say or whatever, which not only is pretty irritating but also LAMIST. "You're right, this is my scum play" and "Welp, lynch me" is the sort of posts that mafioso has been putting out repetitively, in a kind of baiting manner. From all the games I've played, that type of "welp, lynch me" always comes from scum. It's scum trying to act townie by trying to make it obvious that they don't care about being lynched, which while it is townie when done sparsely, if it's repetitive like this it's scummy.

Sounds like an NAI playstyle thing to me. I will use fake anger as a tool as any alignment.

[MURDERCAT]

Accountant seems to have just suddenly stepped in the game and literally gone for the nearest bare throat he saw, and has Iraon locked in his sights. The attack on him seems very direct and very forced somehow. As far as I can tell, the whole suspicion thing on Iraon was just him and trivium bumping heads slightly and he didn't seem to answer things quite right. I have gotten stuck in this trap myself so I agree that he probably just reads formal and maybe a tad awkward, but it could also be nervousness & defensiveness if he is bad. I don't really have a good read on him yet, but I do find it extremely weird that Accountant jumped on him like that and just won't let up. Accountant, can you shed some light on why you are so quick to jump on Iraon? You seem quite eager.

This is an Accountant playstyle thing.

[MURDERCAT]

vote: trivium

seriously

Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.

I don't think he's bad???

Well no, you think he's scum. I think he's town who looks like scum (aka bad).

[MURDERCAT]

EPM is town guys stop pushing ppl for having a playstyle you are unwilling to attempt to understand

+1

[MURDERCAT]

he's not actually scumhunting thats why his posts come across as lazy scumhunting fyi

I'd encourage you to go look at a town game of his.

[MURDERCAT]

well at least you are town =] what's up

That post was totally null

[MURDERCAT]

(Psst, this reads list is the scummiest thing that's been posted all game)

[MURDERCAT]

You guys should all vote JJD because only scum misreps my "jump" onto ira, calls pacman sure scum, thinks TM is scum here, has 5 total scummy players and only 2 strong town reads, and thinks Triv, Accountant, and Iraon are the townies players in the game right now.

[MURDERCAT]

When you say Triv is town who looks like scum that means Triv has done stuff that:

1) looks scummy, but
2) is actually town

Can you show me those posts ir reclarify what you mean

Yes, but I want to do it well, so not for a few hours.

[MURDERCAT]

I've been trying out new styles recently as my day 1's are pretty bad. Here is me attempting to meta. I don't know if I will actually stick with these reads, but I figured I would try this and see how I did at the end of the game:

Spoiler: Bacde (probably town)

89 - this to me, seems like a town post. I agree with everything he is saying about Triv (see my spoiler on him for why I don't think he is scum though). It doesn't read to me as opportunistic or overly aggressive. I believe this is a genuine scum read.
186 - this is exactly how I feel. This post is less likely to come from scum than town, in my opinion.
Meta read backs this up, IMO.

Spoiler: JarJarDrinks (null town)

I was wrong about JJD, I think. After a meta read, I have somewhat reversed my opinion.
93 My meta read suggests that this is more likely to come from town!JJD. In the scum game I read, he was mostly attacking early on.
137 I originally took issue with this, but town JJD isn't afraid to twist words.
344 This post made me rethink the scum read the most. In his scum game, JJD had poor reasoning for his scum reads and they were over the top for the evidence that was available to him. In his town game he had clear reasoning and interacted with his scum reads more.

Spoiler: evilpacman18 (null town)

232 I noticed in a game the pacman was actually willing to vote early on in a scum game
Pacman is hard to read. It seems as if he is more cautious and is willing to examine all angles as town, as he has this game.

Spoiler: Trivium (Scum lean)

I think I was wrong here too.
38 This sort of aggressiveness seems out of character for Triv in town games.
59 I feel like town triv unvotes here
106 Over aggressiveness again.
293 Town Triv doesn't seem to have this type of confidence

Spoiler: Accountant (probably town)

159 Meta read suggests that Accountant is very quick to declare town/scum reads
164 These are the sorts of strong opinions I expect town Accountant to have

Spoiler: Town Mafioso (null)

Not enough to meta. Sitting on this for now.

Spoiler: Xkfyu (null)

Not enough posts in game.

Spoiler: I Am Innocent (null)

All I got is that IAI is maybe more likely to fluff as town early.

Spoiler: iraonavp (scum lean)

I've noticed that iraonavp tends to be more defensive as scum than as town and will OMGUS
15 This feels like an attempt to act townie early, which seems to be more indicative of scum for iraonavp.
124 OMGUS
136 defensive

Spoiler: Tam (null)

No recent games to meta.

My reads list based on gut (which is what I normally use) is something like:

{Bacde, Accountant, EP}
{Triv, TM}
{Tam, IAI, iraonavp, Xkfyu}
{JJD}

[MURDERCAT]

Also, MC:

Can you point out exactly what you think it is that I'm misrepresenting?

VOTE: Iraonvp

I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.

ALso agree that this hop on from murdercats looks shitty. But I'm not reading it as opportunistic. I think it's a bus.

I feel like this is a post designed to look like he wants to vote Ira, but he's subtlety hinting that Ira's town meta looks scummy.

There's no hinting involved. His town meta does look scummy. So does his scum meta. Hence why I want to get a read there. Come on JarJar.

Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.

Lol holy shit, are you scum dude?

[MURDERCAT]

That's precisely why I voted evilpacman18, to move the game forward and maybe learn something.

A better question would be: why aren't you voting evilpacman18? I think you should..

Why do you think I should? How would that move the game along? Obviously I'm trying to pressure you, so isn't that how I should be moving the game along?

Why wagon at this point, you don't know anything... do you?

Vote: Trivium

actual vote on actual mafia

Oh fuck me, this guy.

Why did I join this.

You better start talking about what's going on, scum.

If its a scumtell vote me.

Based on what you said in 61 you dont support a lynch on your current vote.

Stop hindering my way of getting an early game townbloc

Early game townbloc is the stupidest idea since the backwards toilet paper roll. Sure, it would be nice, but you don't know who's town and who's not. Or at least, you shouldn't. Also, please back up your statements with reasoning and stuff. VOTE: Mafioso

Just a few examples. These are all things that feel like fake scum hunting that could also easily come from bad town. Like these all ping me in a gut way until I really analyze them and decide they could easily come from town too.

Since my meta read, I am less sure on Triv town though.

(by the way, in the Bacde spoiler above I said to look at the Triv spoiler, but I decided to do these posts differently, so now that makes no sense, because I'm calling him scum there. Really you should look here.)

[MURDERCAT]

My wagon is pretty bullshit. Just going to put that out there. I mean, I have a bunch of people voting me because of a gutread of Murder, who's obviously distancing themselves from my lynch by being weirdly indecisive. That beginning bit that murdercat seems all 'pinged' about is really just me fucking around to get out of rvs as fast as possible because I don't get the point of it. I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch. I don't think murdercat is mafia, but evilpacman is obviously sheeping hard and I'm just disappointed with the confirmed town.

I'm not pushing for your lynch?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.

Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tactic

True, he could definitely be scum. I need to see more before I want to lynch anyone though.

[MURDERCAT]

iraon, you just say things, but you don't really explain why that thing is true. Like, why does Accountant thinking that JJD is town for post 46 make Accountant scum. Like really think about that and answer it please.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.

[MURDERCAT]

No. Don't write off that post.

"Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please."

[MURDERCAT]

I am asking for something very simple. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is ridiculous in your opinion.

[MURDERCAT]

"Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with."

Why is that wrong iraonavp.

[MURDERCAT]

why don't you think it's true

[MURDERCAT]

No, you said anyone can sheep. You have not directly answered my question though. Do you think that mafia is more likely to provide reasoning than town or not?

[MURDERCAT]

Why not. Doesn't that make sense? Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?

[MURDERCAT]

I do very much care.

VOTE: iraonavp

Please answer me.

[MURDERCAT]

Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?

[MURDERCAT]

Answer those.

[MURDERCAT]

So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?

[MURDERCAT]

If this:

Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?

Yes. Yes.

Why:

So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?

No.

[MURDERCAT]

That is not an answer. If scum is more likely to try to blend in and it looks townie when you provide reasoning, why is scum not more likely to provide reasoning?

[MURDERCAT]

heheh

[MURDERCAT]

Iraon, I expect you to answer that, don't think you can come back on tomorrow and ignore it.

[MURDERCAT]

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

Lol I'm obv town and you know it

[MURDERCAT]

Here's the thing Iraon, your posts don't make sense. The questions I asked were actually all legitimate attempts to understand you position. When you just say things like "look at this it's ridiculous" that's not enough for me to know if you are town or scum. Understanding

why

you think it is ridiculous is what I need from you. I see you think it's wifom, but do you really think that scum is going to act scummy to wifom? Isn't scum's goal to try to look townie?

[MURDERCAT]

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

Lol I'm obv town and you know it

This is an extremely scum-aligned post and even if I wasn't reading MURDERCAT as scum-aligned already I would be.

He doesn't really think that he's obviously town-aligned, this is early day 1 and multiple people have been trying to lynch him. It's entirely bluster...

Let's try this again. What evidence do you have that makes you think I don't really think I'm obviously town-aligned?

[MURDERCAT]

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

Lol I'm obv town and you know it

NO. NOT THIS. ANYTHING BUT THIS.

I need to elaborate on this because I really want to drive the message home- Don't say you're obvious town. Last game I played we had a mafia member constantly assert they were obvious town until everybody just believed them, and I don't want the fact that the IC thinks you're town to create a scum win for you. I townread you, but don't do this.

I am saying that because I

am

obvious town. And I will continue to say it, if I wish to poke fun at people who know it's true but are pretending I am not as townie as I actually am.

[MURDERCAT]

These are reasons you think I'm scummy. Why do you think

I

don't think that I look like town?

[MURDERCAT]

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

Lol I'm obv town and you know it

NO. NOT THIS. ANYTHING BUT THIS.

I need to elaborate on this because I really want to drive the message home- Don't say you're obvious town. Last game I played we had a mafia member constantly assert they were obvious town until everybody just believed them, and I don't want the fact that the IC thinks you're town to create a scum win for you. I townread you, but don't do this.

I am saying that because I

am

obvious town. And I will continue to say it, if I wish to poke fun at people who know it's true but are pretending I am not as townie as I actually am.

This needs to stop right the fuck now. I am not having this happen again. Explain why you're townie. I can't believe I'm agreeing with the grasping for straws iraonscum.

Lol. You can read me however you want for whatever reasons you want, but there's a reason everyone is town reading me.

[MURDERCAT]

Iraon you may very well be town. You need to prove it to me though. The number 1 most important part of being town is not being mislynch, NOT catching scum. If all of town avoids being mislynched then town will have a perfect win. The way you prove you are town is by walking everyone through your thoughts and why they make sense.

[MURDERCAT]

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

Lol I'm obv town and you know it

NO. NOT THIS. ANYTHING BUT THIS.

I need to elaborate on this because I really want to drive the message home- Don't say you're obvious town. Last game I played we had a mafia member constantly assert they were obvious town until everybody just believed them, and I don't want the fact that the IC thinks you're town to create a scum win for you. I townread you, but don't do this.

I am saying that because I

am

obvious town. And I will continue to say it, if I wish to poke fun at people who know it's true but are pretending I am not as townie as I actually am.

This needs to stop right the fuck now. I am not having this happen again. Explain why you're townie. I can't believe I'm agreeing with the grasping for straws iraonscum.

Lol. You can read me however you want for whatever reasons you want, but there's a reason everyone is town reading me.

NAH. Explain that reason please. And not everyone is townreading you. VOTE: MURDERCAT

This vote literally could not intimidate me less.

[MURDERCAT]

That is not an answer. If scum is more likely to try to blend in and it looks townie when you provide reasoning, why is scum not more likely to provide reasoning?

dude this line of questioning is all mafia theory and not likely to reveal iavp's alignment

It's not about the answers it's about how he reacts to the questions.

[MURDERCAT]

Triv, I am town because I am actively trying to solve the game. I am pressuring Ira, but not being opportunistic about pushing him. I am handing him branches to give him a way out if he is town. I am remaining open minded, while still making my opinions clear. That is why I am obviously town.

[MURDERCAT]

I would like everyone who hasn't posted recently (

JarJarDrinks

,

evilpacman18

,

Town Mafioso

,

Xkfyu

,

I Am Innocent

,

Tam

) to give a firm stance on whether iraonvp looks townier or scummier due to this interaction.

[MURDERCAT]

Triv, I though Iraon looked scummy to you.

[MURDERCAT]

Tomato is implying iraon is town and my pushing is silly, correct me if I'm wrong.

[MURDERCAT]

I never said I was confirmed...

[MURDERCAT]

I am obviously holding off on judgement of Triv for now.

[MURDERCAT]

Because it's clear he was trying to get me to answer his stupid question.

[MURDERCAT]

like an IAI/Town Mafioso scumteam seems pretty probable to me right now

+1

I can agree with that.

vote: IAI

I am implying iraon is town and MURDERCAT'S pushing is silly

Why? Also again why scumread IaI?

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:

Guys I need to look at meta again, but ira is probably town. If he was scum I would have expected him to cave in at some point try to please me. I do need to meta though.

VOTE: Triv

[MURDERCAT]

Tell me about his responses are more likely to come from scum, please.

[MURDERCAT]

If he was scum I think he would have been trying to say things to get pressure off him, not fight back. I need to meta read that though to be sure.

[MURDERCAT]

I think he is more likely town who doesn't realize why what he is doing looks scummy.

[MURDERCAT]

The point was to see if he would give in to pressure and contradict himself or if he would stay firm and he stayed firm.

[MURDERCAT]

By the way:

Attention Players: JaeReed is confirmed to be town-aligned!

[MURDERCAT]

Triv's back off of Ira isn't good, IMO.

[MURDERCAT]

I think Triv is at L-1 by the way.

[MURDERCAT]

Well the obvious 3 answers that come to mind are :

a. you are scum and this is invalid
b. you are town and different scum is already voting you
c. you are town and he wants cred for not voting you

[MURDERCAT]

You are literally giving him town cred right now for not voting you. If you flipped town and he was on the wagon he is more likely to be scum read than if he were not on the wagon.

[MURDERCAT]

@

Nahdia

I think Tam is on Triv as of 642 (it's in text).

[MURDERCAT]

You don't need to, but there's a higher chance of Nahdia missing it.

[MURDERCAT]

Triv you are posting more now then back when you were not being suspected. That's evidence of scum not wanting to get lynched. Maybe you are town who doesn't know what's going on, but you're a good day 1 lynch, imo. I don't buy the pity party, sorry.

[MURDERCAT]

Scum can do this just as well as town I think.

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like you to read the thread sometime in the next 8 days, it's only 32 pages.

UNVOTE:

for now.

[MURDERCAT]

I just asked at some point in the next 8 days.

I think TM is lean town, that's why I want your opinion.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Tam

Much more comfortable with this now.

[MURDERCAT]

Robb's posting.

I'm behind, I've just been skimming for a while, but I'll catch up soon.

[MURDERCAT]

Bingo

Pedit: Cool what?

[MURDERCAT]

What makes you think that's the only reason?

[MURDERCAT]

It's a bad reason to move my vote after a replace in suddenly seems much townier than his predecessor?

[MURDERCAT]

It's a bad reason to move my vote after a replace in suddenly seems much townier than his predecessor?

I literally have no idea what this is even saying. Triv was flailing. He would have to be lynched eventually. Robb is now not flailing and looks way more town so I moved my vote. The Tam slot is honestly pretty null so I provided pressure there. What's the issue?

[MURDERCAT]

If I have a very strong read you will know.

[MURDERCAT]

It's optimal to lynch scum, it doesn't matter when it happens. More content is usually good, but it can also allow town to get sidetracked or have doubts when they are actually on scum.

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:

I need to catch up to see if I'm comfortable with that.

[MURDERCAT]

Here, phone posting.

[MURDERCAT]

Look at how Accountant and MURDERCAT posture back and forth about which wagon to join, MURDERCAT does exactly the same thing as Accountant where he says how scum-aligned Trivium is and then moves to Tam to shift with the flo

It feels like you have a list that says List of Scummy Things that you look at and when someone does something on the list then you call it scummy and keep reading.

[MURDERCAT]

Things that I see now are just more evidence to support my conclusion, making me more sure that I'm right about MURDERCAT and Accountant here.

That's called being conf biased. I think all 3 of us are town and you two are being silly.

[MURDERCAT]

I wonder how much of my TR on Accountant is wishful thinking....

Accountant is town

[MURDERCAT]

He's donr other things I find suspicious but nobody else does so I'll drop it.

Talk to me about it

[MURDERCAT]

Like do you really think pac is a compulsive liar who decided to randomly lie about his meta and will continue on his lying rampage unless someone stops him

Either he's scum lying to make hinself look a certain way and slipped up or he's town and misphrased ir we misunderstood his meaning.

Tbh I have no idea why he would lie. But the moment I saw that post I knew it wasn't true. Regardless of alignment why would anyone lie about it? I honestly don't know. Do you?

I'm always going to scum read liars. Can't help it. Town has very few legitimate reason to lie and this isn't one of them.

About this whole thing, a meta read showed he was more likely to vote early as scum, but I'll need to read more games.

[MURDERCAT]

I agree with poetic. It was scummy sounding.

X3

[MURDERCAT]

yes but I read the word scum in your post as town for some reason. Also one scummy post isn't enough for me to determine whether he's most likely to be scum compared to other people;.......

No no. I'm not saying that you believe that. I'm actually leaning town on him, in fact. I'm just putting forth a risk vs reward scenario for us to discuss.

The game is starting to become stagnant, so I'm trying to manufacture some thoughts and discussion from people.

Ugh why am I getting Xk scum with pacman ~~vibes~~

[MURDERCAT]

I'm always trying to manufacture thoughts and discussion on people because my mind has become stagnant so I can relate to that!

I think I want to lynch jarjardrinks though

Feel that

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I'm going back to this

UNVOTE: Sonrio

VOTE: Tam

I have seriously considered the pacman lynch, but I just can't get past how genuine post 228 feels.

~~~~~vibes~~~~~

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UNVOTE:

I need to catch up to see if I'm comfortable with that.

I'm not, I have an icky feeling about that lynch.

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I'm NOT willing to lynch Tam before she gets back, even if she is a scum lean.

I'd prefer to wait for a claim as well, but she hasn't posted in almost 2 days.

~~~~~~~~~~vibes yo~~~~~~~~~~

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VOTE: Xkfyu

First real scum read. I want this lynched.

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Did you read the posts I quoted? You don't get vibes~~?

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Well his pacman read is all wonky for one.

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Then a weird defense of pacman

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And then "let's not wait for a claim, we should just lynch" with like 5 days left.

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Nah he's scum, 85% sure.

My vibes have a good scum catching rate.

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The pacman thing shows that read isn't real, his posting makes no sense around it. Robb come back and sheep me here.

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Booo accountant boooo

Trust me on this, my vibes don't lie.

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Nah stay in Robb we will town block this game to a win EZ, we got two scum on the ropes.

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Not feeling Tam due to interactions around the wagon, JR talk to me here, you feel my vibes right?

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Tam thoughts on Xk?

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Just realized that I didn't vote.

VOTE: Tam

For reasons that I have mentioned previously.

Too many pages to do a full read so just skimmed and will go back and ISO people.

Don't totally hate the Tam wagon but there's better ones.

Like

VOTE: Sonrio

12 posts and every single one is fluff. Dude definately needs to be pressured.

Plus was already scumreading TM for all his phoney "Lynch me" posts.

UNVOTE: Tam

VOTE: Sonrio

I wanna lynch Sonrio but also cool w/ lynching pacman

Would compromise on Tam.

I'm going back to this

UNVOTE: Sonrio

VOTE: Tam

I have seriously considered the pacman lynch, but I just can't get past how genuine post 228 feels.

VOTE: Tam

That is

L-1

In short, these posts are yucky. This wagon is just kind of happening, that's not what a day 1 scum wagon feels like.

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Ira is like 90% town, sorry. Tomato, JR help me out here.

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I don't think Tam is null any more, she's scum. #1159 is not a townie who's frustrated about getting mislynched for no good reason.

Nah

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Did the last game teach you nothing? I caught two scum on day 1 because of my ~~vibes~~

(If you guys read through the game you can actually see my ego inflating)

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It's ok my ego is the size of Jupiter. We will see in post game, but if I am right I will say 'I told you so'! You've been warned!!

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oh yeah? well my ego is the size of uranus

get it

it's a butt joke

Ayyyyy

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No JR you are sheeping me now please, trust my read, the tam wagon is yucky.

No Tam is not claiming yet lol.

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Xk/JJD/pacman

I want these 3 examined very closely.

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You're getting an I told you so

and

a winky face now if I'm right and you're wrong.

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Deal.

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Not feeling Tam due to interactions around the wagon, JR talk to me here, you feel my vibes right?

I feel them but I'm strongly tring xk aside from that. Also your vibe spam reads so scummy man You're lucky you're practically confirmed to me.

UNVOTE:

Only up to that point hold on still catching up.

I'm doing it in every game now it's my new day 1 meta

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I know Jae is confirmed and MC is all but confirmed but I'm going to say outright that I disagree w/ all your scumreads and I'm not down to lynch any of them unless it's literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. ira or tam are the only two people I'm voting today sorry

MC would you be okay with lynching tam as compromise? I know you townread ira strongly

Only deadline no lynch avoidance sorry. The wagon is just not right, like JR said.

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Jae I know you're sheeping mcat but what are your thoughts on a Tam compromise

I was there before but tbh MC has been posting my exact thoughts way more often than you have. The Tam wagon started feeling skeevy for me around the same area that MC expressed that. I no longer support the Tam compromise. I think Ira is bad town. I think Triv slot may be town. In which case we're looking at opportunism around it.

IIRC pac started being pushed then Iraon/Triv lynch cropped up as a counter. Then Tam came about as a counter. Given that I'd strongly prefer pac, but you should convince MC because I am actually 100% sure he's town and would bet the game on that.

I can work with a pac lynch

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vote: xf

my man

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Blah blah blah

JJD looks better than sonrio now. I think it's VERY interesting that I'm trying to get a lynch going on Xk with some other suspicion on pacman and the wagon on pacman took off but the wagon on Xk didn't. Xk has a BLATANTLY fake read on that slot imo and is very likely scum.

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It took a lot less than what I've been doing which is basically begging people to get onto your wagon.

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My vote is on the person I voted for.

MC I feel ya more on this lynch given recent events but I don't feel the Sonia vote on this wagon. She's making herself a heavy scumread of mine rn tbh. Ira is VI but Sonia is scum imo. Thoughts?

I liked the slot but I agree Sonrio looks bad. Afraid they are just bait though. If rather do someone like pacman I think, that will give me a lot to go on day 2. Xk isn't happening I guess

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but yeah my vote is married to murder's so trying to convince me is useless. murder is the double voter.

Well NOBODY wants to lynch XK so MC needs to pick someone else.

I can do evilpac

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VOTE: EvilPac

Didn't have time to catch up fully bit it's better than Tam and we are low on time. Make this happen JR.

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Don't hammer tam wtf, hammer pac after claim please, listen to IC wtf.

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Tam lynch is straight garbage

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I'm not really reading close tbh.

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How are both of us alive JR.

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My own reads, no one else's btw:

{Murder}
{Accountant}
{Xkfyu, Impo, iraon}
{Tam, JJD}
{Sonrio}

VOTE: JJD

I'm listening to confirmed town. He was killed for pushing on either JJD or Tam so I'm not lynching outside of those two. The one I find more likely is JJD.

I will sheep you for a change. Could do Tam too, but I like JJD more.

VOTE: JJD

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Could do Tam too

...

Tam lynch is straight garbage

It's almost like the flips changed things.

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So either Tam is the vig, or the extra kill came from some sort of scum.

You guys on the Tam wagon betting on the latter?

Uh, murdercat hasn't been here yet, has he?

Not vig

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Xk is really scum I think and JJD too. I just don't get why tomato died

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Yeah just claim please, consider this intent if you don't

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Scum probably just has a doc. Who did JJD inno again?

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Reminds me of this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66091

I guess gunsmith is interesting with just the vig, but we should remember that impo isn't 100% confirmed if it comes down to it later.

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VOTE: ira

I'm gunna roll with you guys.

TOWN BLOCK..... ASSEMBLE!!!

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Hahaha don't worry I am town.

Here's my new trust tell. In every game I'm town I will post a picture of a kitten.

Spoiler: kitten

I have never done that in a game as scum. (Admittedly, this is the first game I've done it in, but I promise it's legit.)

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Let's roll with Ira for today, his push on me and accountant has gotten tunnelly to the point where it's scummy.

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Yeah but that's a style thing from you, I haven't seen it from him.

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I need to reread tam interactions to answer that.

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Ira should claim

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yup

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I could see Sonrio scum either way to be honest.

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Accountant is a god, just saying.

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VOTE: Sonrio

Let's not quick lynch I want to read up.

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Maybe last scum forgot to submit? Unless someone wants to claim? I feel pretty confident there should be more PRs.

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I don't know, it's just a weird setup if it's IC/vig and gs. What is mafia? 3 goons?

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Oh and the fact that JR hasn't died. Suggests scum are scared of a doc or something?

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What were your other actions and why.

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UNVOTE:

No need to be hasty.

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Why did you target JR? How many shots do you have?

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Holy shit I totally forgot pacman was follower. For like the entire game. Because why the fuck did we lynch our follower day 1. Disregard all of the set up analysis I've done all game please...

Sonrio probs scum.

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Xk you were right we totally don't have more PRs

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Yeah, that's just why I forgot, because there was never a claim. Account who is your strongest townread outside of me and JR? If we add one more townie to the block we win right?

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JR, you too please

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Yes I agree, let's not talk more about what the correct answers to my questions are though.

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Why not

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Yeah I want to reread to be sure though. We are lynching here today pretty much no matter what though.

Sonrio do you have any crumbs?

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Ok I see no crumbs from TM

VOTE: Sonrio

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Lol sonrio only voted scum all game.

GreyIce said to me recently that your scum buddies always look a lot scummier than they actually are.

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What PR would you have claimed?

Why didn't you believe JJD?

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so I decided to test it by not saving him

You could have tested it by, you know, saving him? JR you can hammer whenever.

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I actually thought you were only like 60/40 on being scum but that comment makes it like 90/10.

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No it sounds like you are trying to explain things after the fact. "I wanted to test him" isn't proper reasoning because saving him also tests him.

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Oh well you have to get lynched today, sorry. JR whenever you are ready.

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I'm inclined to just role with Accountant for the rest of this game.

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I'm inclined to just role with Accountant for the rest of this game.

do you mean vote

Should have been roll, too much mafiascum

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Accountant you are all but confirmed. If we no lynch today you will die, so I think we should just go for it. You are driving this thing now though.

Xk and Impo, please post your best evidence that the other one is scum and go ahead and claim too for good measure. Reasons you can't be scum with Tam/Ira will also be accepted.

FWIW, I'm feeling very confident we are going to win this.

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Day 3 vca is meaningless

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I'm busy yo

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This game requires a full reread, I'll get to it.

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JR thought the same thing yo

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Once I knew you were right and I was wrong I sheeped you onto Ira no question so

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Ok I just skimmed the last bit, I am confident we will win but I still want to make sure before I vote.

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Accountant go read either of my scum games, if you are choosing one, do Ranger's micro. Watch how I interact with my scum reads there and what I did with Ira and Tam here. Xk is basically confirmed scum for me now based on how he is pushing me, watch how us three come in to the day unsure and questioning and he has a lynch in mind from the beginning. If you can't read through how obvious it is he is scum pushing a mislynch right now I don't know what to tell you.

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Oh and the reason you should read Ranger's micro is because JR was on me most of that game and it was pure town read this game.

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Eh ok. Maybe I'll go to the library and respond to stuff, I have no wifi in my new apartment yet.

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Also, compare how I acted this game to the KTS game when I was treated as confirmed town. Like once I am town read that much I go into a certain mode where I'm not worried about looking scummy or anything.

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I'll try to get to the library tonight so we can end this, I think I'll just glance at XK's ISO to make sure nothing sticks out as obv town and I want to look at the pacman lynch and who wouldn't join me on XK.

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Do you want me to vote and we can confirm impo? I trust you 100%

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Nah he's voting me

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VOTE: Xk

Impo just give an I'm not hammering then I will go through and answer anything you want.

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Cool. We win!

Lemme answer your questions tomorrow, I'll do a whole big case.

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If you wanna hammer go for it, there is literally 0 chance that Accountant is scum. I was sketchy about the Tam wagon so I don't blame you for hesitating but FWIW I've never seen JR white knight a town read like with Accoutant and I and be wrong so I am sure Xk is scum.

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Holy shit

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JR I trusted you QQ

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Noo you white knighted Char!!

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God damn, well played. Why such the hard buses? I guess I should have meta'd your scum game.

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I don't really mind, there was 0 chance I was ever going to lynch Accountant. No matter how many times I read this game.