Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Naomi-Tan]

Hey Infinity :3 looks like we're the first ones to answer :3

[Naomi-Tan]

Nice pikachu, I like the cute hat

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: Manuel87

Conformist

[Naomi-Tan]

So... Fake town slipping to get reactions is good.. okay then.

[Naomi-Tan]

So... Fake town slipping to get reactions is good.. okay then.

I thought I'd point out how dumb saying that was.. because I just read that and it was dumb.. This Is why I shouldn't read and post right before bed because I end up looking like a moron.

[Naomi-Tan]

Yeah I said that.. It certainly was a reaction test.. Its just.. If he was thinking about it enough to form a reaction test... surely he could of done it as either alignment.. or am I just being paranoid?

[Naomi-Tan]

I read as sleepy.. but thats not helpful.. I guess I think your trying at least? which I guess is a slight indication but its hard to make any clear calls so early on.. Im not really sure what to make of RB the paranoid part of me wants to suspect him, but the part of me that feels it was honest doesn't.. I guess being half asleep makes it harder to be certain.

[Naomi-Tan]

Not always... Im not really relaxed if that helps you any.. I feel kinda on edge.. I really need to learn to relax and stuff.. but its hard and im always frightened of offending people.. I guess I should try to be more brave, but it doesn't help that there is not much to go on yet..

[Naomi-Tan]

Like.. I know I should feel bullet proof as town and not fear getting lynched as if you are town you don't have to worry.. but I still do and thats just a mental thing that i'm still trying to battle. It makes me read badly at times and thats just something I need to work on.. being brave and putting things out there.

[Naomi-Tan]

thanks

[Naomi-Tan]

Well.. when I finished being awkward and baring my soul I think its best to go sleep before I do anything else that makes me wanna bash my head into my keyboard.

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: NaomiTan

Erm.. the Random vote stage ended.. could you give more details on this

also UNVOTE: Manuel87 for the same reason RVS has ended.

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm seeing Rem as town now. not knowing scum had day talk is something I was also unaware of, and because of this I feel she must be town. as scum would of gotten a link to the thread so you couldn't make this mistake with being scum and it seems to honest to be a scum faking.

[Naomi-Tan]

It actually kind of looked like it might be AtE to me

despite my sig

Nope.. that was literally me being sleepy and just rifting with you. I imagined just sitting on bean bags in a room with a cup of coffee just talking over stuff at the time. It felt cozy too me. It was a entirely dumb thing to announce though, because I just feel that its going to be used against me down the road, but thats what happens when your sleepy and not thinking.

I can't remember the phase but there is one for when someone posts while your posting so here is where i'd write that, if someone could tell me what the short hand is, that would be great.

VOTE: Naomi-tan

Still confused about whats happening with this train..

[Naomi-Tan]

Considering that Mafia has daytalk i think Infinity and RB could be scummbuddys trying to fake a towny conversation.

This is a scum slip town has no way of knowing scum have day talk.

You should consider reading the rules and setup.

Oops. Although scum having day talk is good know.

Hey... why are you voting Manuel still? If you don't mind me asking? I thought your post here would be accompanied with an unvote so, I'd like to know more about this.

[Naomi-Tan]

Thanks; So just post Ninja Response #1: and go from there I take it.

[Naomi-Tan]

I guess Dripping is baiting reactions then.. as there last posts seem to point that way. I guess thats cool.. Though it entirely confused me at first. But I guess thats one way to search, though I would appreciate if you removed your vote or explained the results you got from it that made you want to keep it.. that would be great.

Ninja Responce 1;

I asked them to explain why they are voting for Manuel87 As I expected an unvote, I didn't tell them to unvote

Jeez.. 3 votes.. this isn't going well :s

[Naomi-Tan]

Well.. I can assist you in what pressure tends to make me do; When pressured I try to look back and down the pages as much as possible trying to find things to talk about, the more pressure the more I tend to panic.. however, when like now I have nothing to talk about left I tend to just want to lurk and wonder off.. as It makes me feel like my contributions are just distributive and I should let the smarter people talk for a while.. thats kinda where I am now.. but I am at least still trying? i thought i'd explain rather than just wonder off for once.. as its pretty early on and I don't really have the ability to post pages of just random panic posts... but you have some of that above..

Ninja 1; Yup.. I guess that would be a thing..

[Naomi-Tan]

Considering that Mafia has daytalk i think Infinity and RB could be scummbuddys trying to fake a towny conversation.

This is a scum slip town has no way of knowing scum have day talk.

Now the question is whether

this

is a faked townslip or not...

Neither because you could have missed the rule with either alignment

Right, but as scum one would already know there was daytalk, and either not question you on it, or make a big deal out of you knowing such things as a "townslip."

Thus my comment.

Neither because you could have missed the rule with either alignment.

^^ fixed version of post 71.

Don't know how that happened.

This is a weird post to me.. I don't think you could of missed the rule with either alignment as Mafia would been provided a link to the day chat somewhere, I don't think you'd been able to miss that.

Ninja 1: Cool, think you could help me get in contact? I think I could really do with some guidance.

[Naomi-Tan]

Is this still RVS or are people legitimately scum-reading Naomi?

I think they are reaction testing me, but as right now there isn't enough stuff for me to AtE or go wild omgus It just kinda fell flat. if It was day 2 or 3 the reaction would probably been explosive. I've been called too scummy to be scum a couple of times on other sites -_-

[Naomi-Tan]

Jeez.. being this transparent is totally gonna be used by scum against me down the line.. I really goofed up this game.. just like; I'm going to bare my soul it'll be great.. ugh.. what am I doing >_<

Ninja; jeez you put more effort into this than I ever have :s

[Naomi-Tan]

what do you mean by likely being bussed?

[Naomi-Tan]

reading games blind is very very helpful since playing games takes a long time, and it allows you to adapt your scumhunting strategy and learn much quicker

PEdit: do your best naomi. You should try to avoid being lynched, but if it happens that isn't the end of the world. Try to help contribute to the game as best you can.

well I asked some questions when I got in here that im waiting on being responded too, so i'm kinda idle and waiting for something else to happen to react too. I don't really have a scum read on you or rb, as you guys are contributing better than me. its a little tricky for me to think of stuff to say right now as I think I already covered most of today, and other than that its been focused on me.. so.. its a little strange for me ~

[Naomi-Tan]

UNVOTE: rb

I feel like someone on that early Manuel wagon is scum.. Don't know who though.

I have no idea why everyone suddenly started scumreading Naomi.

I have no idea why you'd suddenly defend me like that :/ It seems kinda out of no where, given that by the votes with no text that the people on me are looking for a reaction its really strange that you'd think they are scum reading me. the only one that is, is RB... why do you have a town read on me? is what I guess I'm not asking very well here.

[Naomi-Tan]

Naomi-Tan is confusing but i dont see her as scummy right now.

I'll take that as a compliment

[Naomi-Tan]

Yeah.. I guess thats a Null read for you too.. I was hoping to get more than Null..

Ninja; Doing my best.

[Naomi-Tan]

If Naomi is scum I feel like she's likely being bussed right now.

I think she's scum though based on her content so far.

rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

what changed ?

[Naomi-Tan]

Well A is out because if you vote without giving a reason then it can't be a scum read, and B would only apply after the second vote or so. as you can't hop onto a bus thats yet to form. Its not impossible but its just unlikely enough for me to talk about it. more importantly I wanted to see how they'd respond, though its more interesting that you responded the way you did.

[Naomi-Tan]

If Naomi is scum I feel like she's likely being bussed right now.

I think she's scum though based on her content so far.

rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

what changed ?

Oh lol, first quote should say "I don't think she's scum"

:/

Erm... No? You can't slip up and make a mistake twice in one post, and also used the scum bussing term would definitely make me scum. This post is suspicious.

[Naomi-Tan]

Well yeah? Like blank votes are normally reaction tests, as your meant to explain why, even if you post because of what X said.

Bus

Wagon
Well, I wasn't expecting you to respond, which is interesting as I had dropped the topic at that stage, so yes interesting.

[Naomi-Tan]

It is why?

[Naomi-Tan]

Well I'd understood if it was one typo but he did it twice;

There was an IF on the first line. That I entirely missed XD Okay Never mind, missed an If Thought the top line read;

Naomi is scum I feel like she's likely being bussed right now.

Which is why I thought it was a mistake, this is entirely me being dumb!

[Naomi-Tan]

Actually you technically could be looking at the game in a bizzaro, alien way to anything I'm used to if you really do believe all things you're saying.

Wouldn't shock me.

[Naomi-Tan]

Amazing the difference a single word makes XD

[Naomi-Tan]

Amazing the difference a single word makes XD

Sorry

No I missed a word, the if on the top line. it was me not you

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[Naomi-Tan]

[UNVOTE: ][] Well that literally got no reaction from the entire game.. what gives..

[Naomi-Tan]

Guys... can someone do something to help kick start a conversation.. im not coming up with anything... well .. I guess I can just go through the player list and comment on each.. that normally can give something of a jump start.. gonna do that now.

[Naomi-Tan]

Aristophanes some good posts early on but seems to switch back and forth from inactive to lots of stuff. I think there content is pretty soild though just wish it was more consistant

Draynth I literally cannot remember this guy, have they posted? are they lurking? oh one post and a random vote outside of random vote stage, but they said there camping so I guess You can't really read much into this; wish they commented on the game on there one post last page, but I guess we'll hear more from them later

DrippingGoofball They confuse me as much as I confuse everyone else..

Infinity 324 I like how they sat down and talked with me, and put in a lot of effort, so.. town leanings? or good scum playing me well

Iprobablysuck not too keen on them right now, as they did that post thing, but it could be that they was trying to get more out of others, I guess null to soft scummy? like right on the boarder?

JarJarDrinks Who? like they literally haven't posted yet, does this guy exist?

Manuel87 I feel kinda null on them..

Raskolnikov I kinda feel that they may be scummy.. but thats beacuse im being super biest.. It just feels like they lurked for a while and when I made a mistake they didn't point out that they only said it once.. which would of made me check and see that, but instead said I was putting shade on rb, but.. thats biest for you.. I guess my major issue was they lurked until I slipped up and then pressured me.. which is kinda scummy.. but I really feel that its proerably just me being tilted that way

rb There pretty proactive I like them too

Rem I feel there town slip is very guinine will be a while before im willing to think otherwise

SavageDestroyer . Is currently being replaced

Slandaar Who? They havn't posted yet so.. yeah

VOTE: Slandaar I feel its a good idea for me to put some pressure on this no posts lurker at this stage as its getting on into day 1

[Naomi-Tan]

@Manuel Naomi is restless... and just wanted to spark some life. I still see it as a town thing as the way she said it was as if she tossed her hands up and was like, well you done fucked guess thats an easy lynch. at least thats the feeling I got off of it..

[Naomi-Tan]

I guess, Partially as they haven't been active since.. it is early days so its hard to set anything in stone in my mind.

[Naomi-Tan]

Its hard to do this though.. when its not really having an effect.. It makes me feel like my efforts are just not really doing much you know..

[Naomi-Tan]

OK I like Naomi-Tan for now even though the read list has a lot of fence-sitting.

UNVOTE:

Its day 1 no shit.

[Naomi-Tan]

Jeez... no one said anything good or bad about my long post >_< Naomi is frustrated she can't trigger conversation

[Naomi-Tan]

gut is what i depend on a lot, sometimes I read things before I even understand why.

[Naomi-Tan]

UNVOTE: VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Naomi which posts of Aristo do you find scummy?

Also I was in bed for your reaction test, but I was fine with a DGB vote anyway and would have joined the wagon :p

I didn't say I find him scummy just that I wished he was more consistent as in, more active.

[Naomi-Tan]

Savage is replaced and Slandaar, JJD, Draynth have no content so far so nothing to add to that. But i dont think pressuring one of them will help us.

got one of them to respond, hopefully will get the other.

[Naomi-Tan]

I dunno why you'd like me.. I'm really just trying to keep talking and active, i'm not very good at locating things :/

[Naomi-Tan]

IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LicketyQuickety
AtE this -_-

[Naomi-Tan]

you can still get a feeling though..

[Naomi-Tan]

Im just voting them because what they offended me.

[Naomi-Tan]

IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

erm.. Rb I would kinda agree we are starting to get momentum though so given a couple more pages there may be enough to make a larger swing.

[Naomi-Tan]

IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

Naomi doesn't get it... but okay..

[Naomi-Tan]

Hmm... not sure why that quoted ... wasn't me trying to do it..

[Naomi-Tan]

@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

I disagree with 2 of there scum picks :I

Hmm, you said you were voting me for pressure, but you never said you had a scumread on me, can you explain that?

Also, why rem?

You're a weaker scumread but I don't like how you voted me without a reason, and then when asked to explain you posted an ISO from a game from like 2 months ago that I only played in for a few IRL days and claimed I was ''giving off very different vibes'' This is my first Mafia game in a while and styles change.

As for Rem, she said I was giving her ''bad vibes'' and then said she

didn't know why

. I don't know about you but I think that seems like scum trying to throw shade on Town without committing to a mislynch wagon.

PEdit: I think Naomi just has no idea what's shes doing. Hard to get a read on.

When there isn't much information to go on using meta data from other games is a good way to determine stuff, this is why I edit all my games into my wiki page so people can look over my meta. given how early on it is and that the first 'real' arrangements are starting to pop up. at the time it would of made more sense to use old meta data.

I really don't buy the 'bad vibes' thing that seems like your shading her rather than her shading you, like bad vibes means your guts are telling you that there scum but there is no real evidence, thats not shading at all :I

I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

Sorry RB but I kinda have to agree with infinity. while early game interactions are important it isn't till later in the game that they help get a more soild read. As you said scum can't adapt to the early game.. it seems to me that you both have differentiating view points that both have merit too them. Early on you can make a good scum read if there is a slip but 9/10 times you don't have that luxury. There was no major interactions before your two messages to go off and make a strong case and from what I gather Infinity was upset at how IPS posted people he thought was scummy with pretty weak reasons one of them being entirely wrong IMO. I believe infinity was attempting to scum hunt by asking his motivation behind his picks which was much more controversial than my own and had no reasoning with any of them. I feel that giving picks without explaining a little why you feel that way leads to this kind of thing because anyone can just randomly assign alignments but it takes thought to explain it out.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

This feels very bandwagony given what I've read from rb and Infinity like I'm not even sure if they read and they didn't take the time to quote where it was used as an excuse so.. yeah I'm now looking at them more scummaily.

[Naomi-Tan]

Also last night I was quiet because I wanted to leave you two to play it out so I was impartial at the end when I posted.

[Naomi-Tan]

Whats LAMIST

[Naomi-Tan]

Why are you townreading ari?

Page 3 posts discussing Naomi look town to me.

Also questioning Rems "townslip" was exactly what went through my mind when I read it.

how did you get page 3 reads after page 4 reads?

[Naomi-Tan]

@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

Hmm, you said you were voting me for pressure, but you never said you had a scumread on me, can you explain that?

Also, why rem?

You're a weaker scumread but I don't like how you voted me without a reason, and then when asked to explain you posted an ISO from a game from like 2 months ago that I only played in for a few IRL days and claimed I was ''giving off very different vibes'' This is my first Mafia game in a while and styles change.

As for Rem, she said I was giving her ''bad vibes'' and then said she

didn't know why

. I don't know about you but I think that seems like scum trying to throw shade on Town without committing to a mislynch wagon.

PEdit: I think Naomi just has no idea what's shes doing. Hard to get a read on.

I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

using meta data from other games is a good way to determine stuff, this is why I edit all my games into my wiki page so people can look over my meta.

Do you feel you're playing similarly to your recent games?

I am fairly sure Manuel is town.

VOTE: Raskol

Will go with this for now.

No idea.. I didn't look

[Naomi-Tan]

What the hell why did it quote all that >_<

[Naomi-Tan]

Just putting this out there; I find Slandaar really scummy right now; they lurked until we put votes on them and came back with; more content on monday. then when they returned on monday they havn't really mentioned the rest of the game and just tried to shade me :I

[Naomi-Tan]

I don't find slandaar doing nothing scummy, it's not very helpful though. Town does that stuff all the time :/

Well you'd think he'd at least comment, and when he voted and said "i'll explain later" that was 2 hours ago nearly!? Like; Its obvious he voted and then went to do something. Like iso him and tell me if he has commented at all about the game :I

[Naomi-Tan]

urgh its just so frustrating though he has posted 3 times since the game started >_< and only one of those showed any sign of scum hunting

[Naomi-Tan]

This means 0.38% of all posts was him scum hunting. doesn't that frustrate you? like I'm trying to put in effort even if im not great only to have him lurk skirting.

[Naomi-Tan]

Do you feel you're playing similarly to your recent games?

This line here shades me, as it implies that i'm not playing like I have in other games yet provides no content showing that.

[Naomi-Tan]

As far as i'm concerned anyone who uses the fact i'm a women to base any argument, pro or con, deserves a vote on policy. Even if you didn't realise who they was talking about.

[Naomi-Tan]

I do believe the answer is no which is what you're implying, but, it was a simple question to see what your answer was. You can play differently as town.

No thats what your implying and im calling you out for.

[Naomi-Tan]

Yes I did go and do something else. What's the issue?

the issue is the one others brought up earlier;

I forgot why I was scumreading IPS tbh.

VOTE: Sladaar for reading 7 pages and not having much to add.

Savage is replaced and Slandaar, JJD, Draynth have no content so far so nothing to add to that. But i dont think pressuring one of them will help us.

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

(This quote wasn't directed just at you, but still also covers you.

I don't find slandaar doing nothing scummy, it's not very helpful though. Town does that stuff all the time :/

I don't find slandaar doing nothing scummy, it's not very helpful though. Town does that stuff all the time :/

Yeah he hasn't posted enough to scumread him yet. But yeah he needs to show up and explain his reads.

Very interested to know why he townreads Manuel since I'm kinda leaning scum there.

Any my veiw on you has also been kinda consistent and only getting worse;

Just putting this out there; I find Slandaar really scummy right now; they lurked until we put votes on them and came back with; more content on monday. then when they returned on monday they havn't really mentioned the rest of the game and just tried to shade me :I

Slandaar Who? They havn't posted yet so.. yeah

VOTE: Slandaar I feel its a good idea for me to put some pressure on this no posts lurker at this stage as its getting on into day 1

Finally As far as I remember you didn't post till after you had a vote on you on post 169 where you gave nothing.

[Naomi-Tan]

So yeah my issue with you is you've contributed nothing you've been saying things like X is town or Vote Y but your giving no reasoning. and when you said you'd give it later you vanished for 4 and a half hours returned and still didn't explain shit. It seems to me that your just lurking and not even trying to scum hunt / play.

[Naomi-Tan]

I do believe the answer is no which is what you're implying, but, it was a simple question to see what your answer was. You can play differently as town.

No thats what your implying and im calling you out for.

For? saying you are playing differently? You said you don't know if you are.

Specifically what are you calling me out for?

I'm calling you out for implying I was playing differently without backing it up or mentioning anything other than and I'm going to paraphrase how I interrupted it; 'I wonder if your playing any different than normal'

That's shallow slandaar...

Undecided town doesn't have to ask questions to be undecided. I don't think there was a question he could've asked to help him figure out the situation more.

You can be undecided but normally when someone is unsure/undecided about something they have questions.

Asking for a link to why rb would think you would call it out would have been something.

Finally As far as I remember you didn't post till after you had a vote on you on post 169 where you gave nothing.

I can't always be on ms. Are you trying to find scum or the players who don't have as much time as you?

No I'm calling you out for lurking and only posting when the spotlight was put on you and when not you just give nothing of substance at all. like if you can't post often at least comment about whats happening in the game not first post page 7 and only after a vote landed on you and literally say "I have nothing to add"

Ninja;

LQ could be scum he has been a bit dopey/not really paying attention and agreeing with me is a good strategy but no-one 'misreps' like that without misremembering. It's more a question of if scumLQ/townLQ is more likely to do so.

Oh wait there's 3 scum. Forgot this is mini not micro.

Oh did you just try to fake townslip?

Why didn't you vote here?

All aboard the wagon.

[Naomi-Tan]

LQ could be scum he has been a bit dopey/not really paying attention and agreeing with me is a good strategy but no-one 'misreps' like that without misremembering. It's more a question of if scumLQ/townLQ is more likely to do so.

Oh wait there's 3 scum. Forgot this is mini not micro.

Oh did you just try to fake townslip?

Why didn't you vote here?

I'm calling you out for implying I was playing differently without backing it up

You seemed more confident in the others.

No I'm calling you out for lurking and only posting when the spotlight was put on you and when not you just give nothing of substance at all. like if you can't post often at least comment about whats happening in the game not first post page 7 and only after a vote landed on you and literally say "I have nothing to add"

Not having time isn't lurking.

I posted when I posted what I wanted to post. Do you really think I post 'nothing to add' as scum but not as town

yeah but only 2 of your posts are not responding to people poking you and that is lurking.

[Naomi-Tan]

I swear the mods vote count silences everyone like a titans voice called down from the heavens... this is twice silence fell after she posted.

[Naomi-Tan]

Infinity if your out there, mind summarising your conflict with LQ and cementing your current standing / vote please?
Jar Jar, Same

[Naomi-Tan]

I guess I expected the first thing LQ to do to unvote, I do accept that he could've been about to do that in his next post.

However, his slandaar sheep feels a little like buddying (though a bit obvious). I guess the main problem I have with LQ arm is that, through all that, he didn't give an opinion on rask.

Currently I have Slandaar as scummy anyway so really did nothing to change my thoughts.

[Naomi-Tan]

im going to be pretty busy tommorow so expect long peroids of nothing, and small pockets of catchup including reading this thing that happened that I ingored as I was too busy being bothered by Slandaar anti-town style

[Naomi-Tan]

Ops forgot to spell check that... oh well night everyone catch ya tomorrow evening

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay, as I said limited access today (I like how people waited till I had a day with low access to post stuff) but yes I got defensive this is nothing new and fits into what I said earlier on page 4 "what pressure tends to make me do; When pressured I try to look back and down the pages as much as possible trying to find things to talk about, the more pressure the more I tend to panic." And I'm not looking at my Iso's from old games, so I have no idea how im playing; You said you looked at my iso's as town, and didn't mention scum ISO's which makes me think (as im not looking) that you looked at both and noticed I wasn't playing like either? Though this is complete here-say as im not looking it up myself.

But my last game was 9 months ago. So I have no idea if i've changed style or why.. I do feel defensive though, as it feels like your suspecting me and I don't like it.. partically when im not around to defend myself.

[Naomi-Tan]

Btw is it me or is Manuel really flip floppy? I havn't really looked into it but reading to catch up properly (as I ignored a lot of what went on its feels that way like there train hopping a lot.

[Naomi-Tan]

Town: Naomi
Townlean: Rask, Infinity
Scumlean: Aristo

Rest I have to re-read/need more content. Preferably more content. I hate policy lynching but I'd rather do that than lynch a scumlean from the active player pool.

rb what is your opinion on Naomi right now?
Also if you havent done so yet you should probably read the Iso from her last game Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)
If we exclude Naomi Infinity and you we have 10 players. We have Aristo, DGB and Darynth that can be considered lurking or not playing.
So saying 5-6 weak players means you consider almost everyone else playing somewhat weak is that correct?

These two back to back in reference to myself is really funny to me XD just like him asking rb his opinion on me right after he said his opinion on me is kinda helirious

[Naomi-Tan]

Guys Im really Convinced Manuel87 might be scum because of the huge miss rep in this post

VOTE: Naomi-Tan
Isoed her last game till Day1 ends and some posts into her 2nd last game. Her playstyle is totaly different in my opinion.
She already made an excuse for that but that excuse is invalid as she hasnt really been pressured since page 3 and still keeps up that silly i am so innocent and silly act.

She got really defensive when Slandaar asked her about that and still didnt answer his question but accused him of throwing shade at her instead.

@Raskolnikov: In my opinion stalking ppl for activity and pointing it out as soon as you find someone that is active in other games is even more scummy.
You had been scumread by some ppl and instead of addressing that you disappeared yourself and came back by throwing shade at ppl that also were inactive.

I'm not talking about myself in this one I'm talking about Raskolnikov Because her argument found here;

Realtalk I've waited all of yesterday and the day before for aristo and DGB to show up . They've been posting in their other games and odds are they do read this thread but no.

DGB I was mostly wanted to engage with (as opposed to hard-scumreading), given her experience but I guess not. Maybe get good insights but mostly I think a slot that potentially dangerous should NEVER be allowed to get a free pass on day 1 involvement. If she is actually that good idk but until otherwise I see every playerwith that postcount/years as a potential nachomamma. When I asked she didn't go into naomi/ips and answered me about her read on me in like a half-serious (kind of reaction testy?) way, which is still okayish if she then actually talked to me and followed it up but she just disappeared. Fluff comment on the replace and nothing done after the naomi unvote is ugh and like she doesn't feel the need to comment on 90% of the game. Unvote itself is OK but still non-committal ("for now" + caveat) and unexplained and because she didn't go into the read while it was up we'll never know for sure what (if any) reasoning was behind it as opposed to something that could be a retcon explanation later. ALL of that said there isn't really reads to judge and the playstyle could technically just be laziness instead but it's still annoying I couldn't get anything to read deeper into (nullscum).

Aristophanes is scum though. He reads really fake to me and the one thing which was going for him in my eyes was the depth of the naomi read (59 -> part of 63); usually people thinking that in-depth so early and unnecessarily/unprompted is a huge towntell, though even at that point I was wondering how he took it that far ("It's just a few things like that which make me think "towny." " makes it sound like he has a massive multifaceted read). But looking into aristo meta to he actually does this as scum!
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I see him love to give out townreads in creative ways as scum and in general hand them out like candy almost to a fault; with all of that there's little effort faking scumhunting. You see a few of them are almost ridiculous in context or really stand out for early reads. OTOH in his towngames the townreading is dialed back a LOT and you see a lot more scumhunting focus.
I think what happens is when something strange/confusing happens from a player, while town are actually trying to judge align aristo since he knows it's town can afford to put the effort into explaining exactly why their town and misunderstood. I think the naomi read really is spot on and so insightful and that naomi is town (after her content) but its like aristo could come up with that read so early/confidently he never actually doubted it. This is the kind of read where I'm either a genius and he panics in scum pt or I'm a total idiot for reading this deep into ~5 posts but I'll go with the former. Along with naomi read the tone kind of bothers me (57, 69) and I think the timing is he got lazy at the traditional point where scum realize they have to start faking doing something useful (in a town position having that early townread is a big help though) but these are more minor.

Though this is kind of awkward because even though aristos probably scum (and dbg is still a promising lead) the inactivity still makes it feel like a big waste doing this, like I almost feel bad(selfish?) doing my own thing compared to everyone else. But I don't really scumread the actives (some NULLs but eh.). TBH I think 2016 lurker-lenient meta helps scum to the point where if they strategized to they could intentionally just lurk and get out the d1 lynchpool, town lynch scummiest active town, they come back day 2 active and nobody cares. Nowadays I see people so against that kind of lynch + I think there's a natural tendency to just sort what you see in front of you so null in a pool of 5 will still be top scumread. 2 of my games 2 scum players were just afk and prodded and people were literally forced to lynch scummiest looking town and it's like okay I think I understand why they used to policy lynch them in old games. But anyways!
VOTE: Aristo

Though does mention his lurking is mostly focused on pointing out his meta and reasoning behind the vote and the lurking doesn't seem to be the major focus of their case. in fact when I looked over the main body of astro's section nothing was said about this, its like he read the first line and represented his entire cased based on that.. and he obviously finds meta a valid voting point because at the same time he was using it to pressure me. am I just seeing things guys? or is this just town paranoia? or am I onto something? Could do with some Assistance looking at this matter.


Ninja post by Manuel87; His opinion of me being town is an opinion if you want the reason he thinks that feel free to dig into the topic. Additionally, if he did post that while you was typing why didn't you read it? like it comes up and stops you posting you could of stopped and edited before posting just like im doing here. Regardless its still funny having those back to back.


Why are you flip floppy? well... I've not really looked into that just yet please wait while I compile.

[Naomi-Tan]

Ah I see what happened there, Yeah I saw you unvote and vote on the same page and thought your unvote was a vote, so it looked like you voted for infinity then when that trained stopped you jumped to me. but as it was an unvote not a vote and naomi is being silly. unless in 234... one sec... hmm there is sort of a pattern.

Rb started on infinity and there you joined in with a comment reinforcing what rb was saying but not adding anything. then again with my train, picking up the pressure while slandaar went back to lurking. its not a strong case and it was just a gut feeling but it does kinda pan out a little when you look into it. though its not as strong as the last thing I said.

[Naomi-Tan]

yeah but only 2 of your posts are not responding to people poking you and that is lurking.

That is not what lurking is. Not that lurking is a good tell to begin with. Your whole argument you are making is 'you didn't post anything for 2 days' which is true but does not have any bearing on my alignment.

My argument is that you didn't respond till people started pressuring and talking about you and you only come in to defend yourself and have not really commented about the game as a whole (though odds are this'll prompt you to do so regardless so i'll write that down so I can say I called it regardless if you do it or not)

[Naomi-Tan]

Continuing my conspiracy theory; looking over there posts they are disregarding Rasks Points entirely because she also mentioned how they was active in other games despite having a good point? like he literally says; "Him having a good case against you has nothing to do with what i didnt like about his approach." And everything about rasks case has been focused on the methods used in the first line (player Stalking) despite the quoted line line making me think he understood and felt it was a valid vote; else he would of said it wasn't a good case or some paraphrase of that rather than admitting its a good case.
but instead he kept disagreeing with the method he posted focusing on the top line multiple times.

@Raskolnikov: In my opinion stalking ppl for activity and pointing it out as soon as you find someone that is active in other games is even more scummy.

2 things Manuel.

1. Rask basically wrote my scum meta to a T there. I didn't realize it was what I was doing, but so be it. His scumread is perfectly legitimate and natural if you ask me.

2. I dislike the shade you're throwing his way in that post. You don't ask him questions, just lob things at him that he can't really defend against. Why is that your approach here??

1) Him having a good case against you has nothing to do with what i didnt like about his approach.

2) Call it throwing shade if you want to i just stated my opinion. If you say he cant defend against that doesnt that mean you think that i am correct?

Also saying xyz is aktive in his other games could be considered as the same you are accusing me of (throwing shade you cant defend against)
Its my approach because i didnt like his approach as i stated in my post he should have contributed instead of stalikng inaktive players.

[Naomi-Tan]

My argument is that you didn't respond till people started pressuring and talking about you

I didn't post for a couple days. Nothing to do with anything else.

and you only come in to defend yourself

I don't see how my first posts are 'defending myself'. You can explain?

You are just creating a false narrative.

your first post came because 2 people voted for you after saying literally nothing.
your second post had your read on Manuel and your vote on Raskol
your third post was saying you'd explain your vote later (which you havn't yet done nearly 24 hours later) after someone questioned you about it
and every post there after was a direct response to me after I remarked on your weak line on me.

[Naomi-Tan]

Hold it, I slightly misrepped you there; On your 5th post you give a hint of a larger post to come

[Naomi-Tan]

Hold it, I slightly misrepped you there; On your 5th post you give a hint of a larger post to come

based on your Raskol vote

[Naomi-Tan]

Thought I'd do a rollcall list again as its been 10 pages or so to make all my positions currently clear; So once again here is my list of reads for your guys enjoyment and confusion

Aristophanes*
I feel they might be scum. but not based on their own actions but based on rasks case showing he is on his scum meta and Manuel87 Chainsaw Defence given I think Manuel87 might be scum its just the combination of these two factors making me think there scummy I thought there content was pretty good so.. guilt by association and meta here. Its a pretty weak footing for me to stand on though if Manuel87 is a member of town then I'd clear them based on that.

kraska77 (repl. Draynth*)
Who? erm.. oh.. Null. for Null content literally only voted a random vote when they entered many pages after the RVS had ended. I realy disliked that they posted jack, but now they been replaced.

DrippingGoofball*
I dislike there posts and find them unhelpful, but they have been too silent to form a real idea on there alignment would like more to go on going forward

Infinity 324;
I feel fairly confident that there town given there reads match my own pretty much

Iprobablysuck;
Confused/neutral I have no idea where they sit, but I'm thinking there just bad town, might be scum no idea really

JarJarDrinks*;
They feel lazy town to me, like they post pretty well when they post but don't say as much as i'd like.

Manuel87;
I think there one of the scum team given my conspircy theory and looking at them over all

Raskolnikov:
I feel they are pretty towny they had a strong evidence on astro that changed my veiws from him being more pro-town to him being more pro-scum and I appreciate the time they took to research this. I don't have any doubts they are town given the lengths and efforts they went through to make that post.

rb
Likely town they have good content and seem to talk about everything i'd expect from a good player, if they are mafia i'm gonna need a pretty strong case to disbelieve

Rem*
Though the early town slip I felt was pretty soild towny proof they havn't really spoken much since then, just enough to avoid a mod poke (I think) I'm starting to feel less that they are true towny but not enough to make them be scum so.. i'm thinking there a weak town // null read right now which is a shame as if they had kept up with the thread I'd had them in higher standing.

LicketyQuickety (repl. SavageDestroyer)
I dunno if there scum or bad town, but i'm still voting for them till I feel like voting someone else just for there 'women' comment when they entered, I guess I'd read them slightly below null? If Slandaar turns out to be town then he would be my next guess as scum.

Slandaar
Possible final scum member; dislike how they are posting nothing but defence and focusing only on responding to me and havn't added anything of real substance to the gave and if not talked about they vanish for long peroids without saying anything. if they are town like they claim with not much time i'd advise replacing out as they are not contributing to finding town by posting short posts to keep the heat off themselves

[Naomi-Tan]

And here is a TL:DR

Town; rb, Aristophanes, JarJar, infinity, Raskolnikov
Null; Rem, Iprobablysuck, DrippingGoofball, kraska77
Scum; Slandaar, Manuel87, LicketyQuickety

[Naomi-Tan]

Aww thanks Kraska ~ ♥

[Naomi-Tan]

Im guessing its an in joke between them.

[Naomi-Tan]

UNVOTE: rb

I feel like someone on that early Manuel wagon is scum.. Don't know who though.

I have no idea why everyone suddenly started scumreading Naomi.

I am not ''defending'' you nor am I townreading you (you're null to me) I just don't know why everyone started scumreading you.

This is scum I think

I'm unsure if this is or is not. good catch though. just seems too easy.

[Naomi-Tan]

Keep reading anyway to catch up. we have differing opinions on this though its clear the truth, its just too easy for me to accept. lets hear more keep going.

[Naomi-Tan]

PEdit: It's been a while since I've played Mafia so my style might be a little different.

Or you're noob scum being coached over day chat? :p
seriously though, ips' posts exude noobness but also feel strangely...directed

gtg now. I read up to page 7 and I guess my segmented catchup posts are starting to get annoying so I'll do one proper catchup post on the rest of the thread tomorrow

No I enjoyed them greatly. I just wanted you to focus on finishing your reads before we went deep into that one we differ on. as it gave me much enjoyment.

[Naomi-Tan]

Oh hey but you made good posts you can be town.

RB what you think of my theory!

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm not going to dignify this with a response. apart from it all being true despite him saying your miss reping me why repeatedly Everything I said was true IMO (though it might of been 1 vote but im pretty sure infinity was also on that train) and I'll advise you to replace out if you are town and don't have the time to commit to the game, because if you are town and are just too busy to contribute you should replace out, as its Anti-town and makes our life harder because you want to lurk and skate through the game.

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm not going to dignify this with a response.

apart from it all being true

despite him saying your miss reping me why repeatedly Everything I said was true IMO (though it might of been 1 vote but im pretty sure infinity was also on that train) and I'll advise you to replace out if you are town and don't have the time to commit to the game, because if you are town and are just too busy to contribute you should replace out, as its Anti-town and makes our life harder because you want to lurk and skate through the game.

It's factually not true ie you are misrepping. Just explain how any of those posts are defence as you say. I mean that is why you have responded this way because you know it's untrue. Unfortunately this is the route we must go as you are so blind to anything else.

You are advising me to replace because I don't play to your expectations. I find this unacceptable. I was nice previously now I am warning you - don't advise such things.

Anyway I have decided Raskol is

probably

town.

VOTE: Kraska

But its not true, thats why I don't need to answer. because what you said is false and its all these for others to read. I don't need to argue whats black and white for everyone to see weather you want to accept it or not. But if you want to be childish about it here;

Try a different route I guess.

your first post came because 2 people voted for you after saying literally nothing.

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

It is a reaction to people putting pressure on you; a defence, your misrepping me why?
[quote="In post 431
I am fairly sure I only had one vote too.

your second post had your read on Manuel and your vote on Raskol

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?[/quote] I never said it was a defence, your misrepping me why?

And a question to you.

your third post was saying you'd explain your vote later (which you havn't yet done nearly 24 hours later) after someone questioned you about it

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?[/quote] Someone asked why you voted with out information your defence was to say you'll post later, your misrepping me why?

and every post there after was a direct response to me after I remarked on your weak line on me.

Not true although the majority, yes. I questioned you, you responded to me, I then obviously respond to you why wouldn't I?

i'd advise replacing out as they are not contributing to finding town by posting short posts to keep the heat off themselves

Don't advise people to replace out.

I think rb is town

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

And yeah Aristo is scum too

I like Jarjar, I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

I also like Manuel - I don't like NaomiTan's case on him, it feels like scum making up shit

Right now I'm considering voting either Aristo or Slandaar

I'll iso and decide

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh? I see.[/quote]

[Naomi-Tan]

Looks like I messed up the quotes again

i'm quoting inline for those reading so when you see [/quote] thats me starting to talk, and the next line is back to him.

[Naomi-Tan]

You are advising me to replace because I don't play to your expectations. I find this unacceptable. I was nice previously now I am warning you - don't advise such things.

I'm not advising it because your not playing to my expectations i'm advising it because its post 436 and you have responded 13 times total and have only said 2 or 3 things of relevance in all that time. Also you are saying things (other than defences) with no backing behind them; Like start contributing if you are town! you have a win condition your meant to be trying to obtain

I am fairly sure Manuel is town.

VOTE: Raskol

Anyway I have decided Raskol is probably town.

VOTE: Kraska

These two post tell us literally nothing, and are not contributing other than saying things.

In post 406, DrippingGoofball wrote:
I think rb is town

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

And yeah Aristo is scum too

I like Jarjar, I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

I also like Manuel - I don't like NaomiTan's case on him, it feels like scum making up shit

Right now I'm considering voting either Aristo or Slandaar

I'll iso and decide

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh? I see.[/quote]

fake town slipping... doesn't that mean scum

LOL

You guys make my head spin

You compared a post from nearly 360 pages apart to make DrippingGoofball look worse

Raskol your case reads really well. But I looked at the second game and didn't see anything which matched (1st link didn't work). Can you link me to the exact posts you are referencing please?/Give me the post number.

Aristophanes is scum though. He reads really fake to me and the one thing which was going for him in my eyes was the depth of the naomi read (59 -> part of 63); usually people thinking that in-depth so early and unnecessarily/unprompted is a huge towntell, though even at that point I was wondering how he took it that far ("It's just a few things like that which make me think "towny." " makes it sound like he has a massive multifaceted read). But looking into aristo meta to he actually does this as scum!
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This here is the only quote that LOOKS like your scum hunting at all as it at least says that you tried the links. but you didn't follow up. I'd rather you just played and gave content for us to look over see your points and respond to but all your doing is stating things and not backing them up much at all. I said you might want to replace because your upset that you don't have the time to contribute to the game. and not having a member of town actively helping town results in eventual misslynch or them getting killed in another way. If your slot is a town slot I can't judge it from your play because your not being helpful, and I'd rather not kill you because of your lack of effort / time put into the game. I'm not sure if advising to replace is a fo-par but I don't desire you to be killed based on your contributions just being unhelpful to town and literally existing to defend people pointing at you or activity dodging.

[Naomi-Tan]

That was his quote miss placed JarJar and the two posts was 362 posts apart, so its not like the fake slip went instantly to pro-town

[Naomi-Tan]

huh no. in 406 he says RB is town and he doesn't buy the reaction test. Both in the same post.

Your right, sorry entirely missed that as it was on the line talking to you. that is a little confusing.

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm not sure who the last scum is anymore. I used to think it was slandaar but given what he is saying he is pretty obviously just bad town imo. least thats the feeling I'm getting from him right now. so I'm on ??? for the 3rd.

[Naomi-Tan]

Slandaar: Solid posts even though he had to deal with Naomis accusations. Not much content for now and might be sheeping me but nothing that made me think he is scum so far.

Soild post with no much content? isn't this an oxymoron? and how can you be sure there town when they havn't really done anything. Thats Really confusing your going to have to expand. what makes you think she is town cause I can't even get a read on them!

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: Manuel87

Okay I'm voting on my conspiracy theory and because all of there reads lean towards those who are more inactive. (people who will be easier to control as scum) all the people making stronger cases that are more active have been placed on the scummy list while people with little content have been placed highly there list is pretty much my own upside down. (with one or two acceptations) I now feel sure enough that they are scum to place a vote.

It feels like we are getting nowhere right now and arguing with Naomi is pointles because she will just throw another made up argument at you that gets proven wrong and is excused because she is just silly Naomi.

he disproved nothing, and he is still inactive, if you had been paying attention for a little while I been talking about his slot as a town slot with a bad person in them. (for most of today) Your arguement is a huge missrepp entirely dismissing that I was correct and writing it as if its obvious that I was incorrect.

[Naomi-Tan]

okay so...
isolate this and it looks like towny busy work

Spoiler:

Aristophanes is scum though. He reads really fake to me and the one thing which was going for him in my eyes was the depth of the naomi read (59 -> part of 63); usually people thinking that in-depth so early and unnecessarily/unprompted is a huge towntell, though even at that point I was wondering how he took it that far ("It's just a few things like that which make me think "towny." " makes it sound like he has a massive multifaceted read). But looking into aristo meta to he actually does this as scum!
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I see him love to give out townreads in creative ways as scum and in general hand them out like candy almost to a fault; with all of that there's little effort faking scumhunting. You see a few of them are almost ridiculous in context or really stand out for early reads. OTOH in his towngames the townreading is dialed back a LOT and you see a lot more scumhunting focus.
I think what happens is when something strange/confusing happens from a player, while town are actually trying to judge align aristo since he knows it's town can afford to put the effort into explaining exactly why their town and misunderstood. I think the naomi read really is spot on and so insightful and that naomi is town (after her content) but its like aristo could come up with that read so early/confidently he never actually doubted it. This is the kind of read where I'm either a genius and he panics in scum pt or I'm a total idiot for reading this deep into ~5 posts but I'll go with the former. Along with naomi read the tone kind of bothers me (57, 69) and I think the timing is he got lazy at the traditional point where scum realize they have to start faking doing something useful (in a town position having that early townread is a big help though) but these are more minor.

Though this is kind of awkward because even though aristos probably scum (and dbg is still a promising lead) the inactivity still makes it feel like a big waste doing this, like I almost feel bad(selfish?) doing my own thing compared to everyone else. But I don't really scumread the actives (some NULLs but eh.). TBH I think 2016 lurker-lenient meta helps scum to the point where if they strategized to they could intentionally just lurk and get out the d1 lynchpool, town lynch scummiest active town, they come back day 2 active and nobody cares. Nowadays I see people so against that kind of lynch + I think there's a natural tendency to just sort what you see in front of you so null in a pool of 5 will still be top scumread. 2 of my games 2 scum players were just afk and prodded and people were literally forced to lynch scummiest looking town and it's like okay I think I understand why they used to policy lynch them in old games. But anyways!
VOTE: Aristo

put it back in the thread and look at the context and what the gamestate was like at the time rask made this post...we're talking about only 3 irl days into the game. it. feels. off. i've been in a game before where the same scumari meta bullet points were brought up against him(by a player who was once in a scum team together with him or sth in a past game), maybe it's because im comparing the two gamestates that i notice how off rask's post is? gamestate here was: barely out of rvs, most people had no appreciable reads, half the playerlist lurking, and the ones posting werent really posting much content. rask's post is the kind of post i expect when more than half the playerlist have more solid lists and people eventually get to ari or other lurkers and pressure them for more content or put them as scum by elimination.
timing of the post feels way too early for a meta dive this busy...i'd even argue this is a counter intuitive thing to do considering how early this analysis was, because it makes ari more self aware to how he's being perceived and renders the whole point of your post moot.
second is...i really dont see how he gave that townread to naomi too easily? his read on her felt organic and looked genuine to me. i also liked his comment on rem.
ari so far feels town to me. mostly tonal read and i like the early content he provided


this combined with this :

Spoiler:

I think 1-2 scum are likely in the inactives at this point

This is a very weird post considering it was page five and barely anything noteworthy had happened, and lurking had yet to become a thing

are pinge-y stuff to me

also there's a 3rd point i want to bring up but it's slightly tinfoily so i'll keep it to later if i still think it stands

I dont think I quite get what the point your trying to make is, could you explain a little deeper?

[Naomi-Tan]

^ Err what happened there? what did I break this time?

[Naomi-Tan]

and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

[Naomi-Tan]

and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

rb and I were both Scum in our last game played together off site.

Okay thanks for clearing that up. I was literally shocked like; did you just admit that your scum.... like as a null reader, that could of swang badly, make sure you establish context unless i'm miss reading it and being dumb. but okay thanks for clearing that up.

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

hey can I get some context for this. other than the obvious from there last post (will explain that in the morning.)

[Naomi-Tan]

@Naomi: don't talk less. Activity is a good thing for town and if you think someone isn't pulling their weight it's perfectly fine for town to tell other players to pick up their involvement. Just because mods only require 1-2 posts per 24 hours doesn't mean that it's good for town players to only post 1-2 times per 24 hours.

Dude chill, I was just asleep for this shit show im still catching up now.

[Naomi-Tan]

@Naomi: don't talk less. Activity is a good thing for town and if you think someone isn't pulling their weight it's perfectly fine for town to tell other players to pick up their involvement. Just because mods only require 1-2 posts per 24 hours doesn't mean that it's good for town players to only post 1-2 times per 24 hours.

Hey MariaR can you explain the one scum between RB/Infinity thing because I'm town and I'm struggling to see Infinity scum after our interactions.

It's not your interactions that make you guys scum I just scumread both of you but reading interactions between the 2 of you I think only 1 of you are scum if you would like me to explain why are scum read the 2 of you I can do that.

I think your the first person to scum read them both and have myself as town. Im not sure how I feel about this or where I am going with it, but I do find it different as we keep getting lumped togeather I think it shows that your not just going with the flow of the game and thought about all your interactions so.. good job?

[Naomi-Tan]

I messed up quoting and put my vote in one of the quotes so let me cp it here and ignore it in the quote thing

This whole convo seems really natural and doesn't seem planned or forced from either side. Also

VOTE: Lickly I can't tell if you're just being close minded or you honestly think like that but re reading you're ISO you should have more votes then you do.

This is wanky.

Are you voting me for the same reason or not?

Wanky is not a word >_<

[Naomi-Tan]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

What the fuck is this? a vote with no text at this stage? omgus >_<

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay so lets start commenting on the major things that happened now I done the little things. Firstly hello new replacement Glad to have another active contributor to the town who likes talking and now lets move onto the who LQ vs RB thing; This arugement feels very emotion filled. I don't care about meta though as it can give false reads. I'm going to be netural on the entire thing, it just felt like an emotion filled battle that had no real tells. which is basically what me and slandaar are upto speaking of lets do a follow up post and continue our arugement as well.

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Someone asked why you voted with out information your defence was to say you'll post later, your misrepping me why?

Someone asked a question and I answered. That isn't a defence. If I ask you your name and you answer are you making a defence? no. I am not going to bother with the rest as it's similar but this should show you how you just want to create this false narrative due to bias and are trying to fit everything into it.

Not really someone asked you to tell us why you voted, (which you still havn't done) and then you basically answered 'ill tell you later' and never did Your defence was a deflection of the question, deflecting is a defensive manuver

I'm not advising it because your not playing to my expectations

Below are your expectations, not the mods, not the sites, yours.

i'm advising it because its post 436 and you have responded 13 times total and have only said 2 or 3 things of relevance in all that time. Also you are saying things (other than defences) with no backing behind them; Like start contributing if you are town! you have a win condition your meant to be trying to obtain

Think more, talk less.

Advising people to replace is at best very impolite. I can demonstrate but I don't want to really I think you are just really naiive.

The top point shows everything I need to I won't be responding to anymore of your nonsense.

RB summed this up perfectly But I'll also say it; Thinking and not talking denies town information, information they could use to determine your alignment and build on there own theories and change there veiw points, barely making the minamun post requirements and not talking about anything is not a good play style. Scum can use that to pressure and lynch you and town can't use it at all and makes our lifes hard. This is the reason every so often I do a block of reads so that other town players can look at them and question them and I don't just post a list I go through and explain my reads on each of them so that town can track my thought process. As such all the town players (and scum players) can see just what Im thinking at any given time. and to show how much it hurts our position you need only to look at scum power roles and town ones. Cop, Tracker, Watcher are all about gaining town information while Roleblocker, Janitor and framer are all based on erasing or giving miss leading information. As town are major tools are our words and just not talking and only thinking does nothing to help your team and will make it easier for scum to single you out and lynch you later in the game.

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Kinda wish I didn't see who I replaced but oh well.

Can you explain why you said that please?

Well there is three logical explinations; Either A) they thought they was acting scummy and is a town role or B) They know them and think there a better player than them or C) They thought they was pro-town and losing a pro-town player isn't great for the game.

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Kinda wish I didn't see who I replaced but oh well.

Can you explain why you said that please?

Well there is three logical explinations; Either A) they thought they was acting scummy and is a town role or B) They know them and think there a better player than them or C) They thought they was pro-town and losing a pro-town player isn't great for the game.

Thank your for answering a question not direkted at you

Your welcome.

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Sorry guys I got lazy

rb, can you give an example of another time you got annoyed at someone for scumreading you based on meta?

Also hi kts

he stated he didn't like the meta case on myself.

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dont pretend like you were excited by me replacing in.

Can't be worse than the last guy JK but you do have some work to do :3

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VOTE: Slandaar
Really I'm Tired of dealing with him..

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VOTE: Slandaar
Really I'm Tired of dealing with him..

I'm tired of dealing with you.

Thinking and not talking denies town information

I didn't say don't talk I said talk less. Rest of the paragraph is based on this wrong interpretation so is pointless.

It was advice to you personally not a general thing - Thinking more is better than saying stuff that just isn't thought out so has to be corrected constantly, wasting time and just filling the thread with junk. Like this exact post.

..Really Tired of dealing with him..

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Oh we've got a Slandaar wagon now?

VOTE: Slandaar

VOTE: drippinggoofball

That slander vote by DGB is terrible.

You saying her vote is terrible is terrible

I have to entirely agree with LQ on this.. Like it is just like all there other votes though so its not like its not inconsistent. I was hoping to get more out of my vote than DGB but I guess that is a weird one to have triggured at least.

UNVOTE:

I was using my vote (which was a pretty bad vote too) to try and get some activity and comments on it from others, as my read had been trending bad town for a while and I was hoping to get someone to be like; wtf. but This is might be better.. who joins a bandwagon for no apparent reason? Like DGB why DID you jump on that?

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Ah-hmm-err-.... Well.. Erm.. Ya'okay.. I GUESS, Darn.. I was hoping to get a bigger read out of this..

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Hey I thought it was pretty good idea at the time.. I guess I'm not as good at reaction fishing as you guys :3 but new tactics aside whats up with your vote rb?

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Dude don't just vote rb ask why, suppose I did already though so it would be mute. appreciate if you'd share the morphing reads on myself I feel that I'm kinda divide-sive on the game, so I think that would be interesting data, might read up myself. could you consolidate your RB vote reasoning into one post too infinity so Its clear to understand for everyone, thanks.

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Also, I feel like scum would be more careful about checking their facts before they start making pushes

I disagree, I feel town wants to make less mistakes as it shines them in a negative light, even though I make a lot of mistakes myself all that has done is made me look worse by compassion to some others. I feel that mistakes made are no real effect unless someone is purposely trying to misrepresent someone to make them look worse. This was my major issue with slandaar's second post and manuel doing his work to look up my meta for him and then building a case on that. which btw is still really bad idea as using meta from 9 months back is unreliable at best.

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I'm about to do one of those stupid catchups that clogs the thread but is the only way I can regain my relevancy in this game. My apologies in advance!

You have been warned!

I love these;

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Also, I feel like scum would be more careful about checking their facts before they start making pushes

I disagree, I feel town wants to make less mistakes as it shines them in a negative light, even though I make a lot of mistakes myself all that has done is made me look worse by compassion to some others. I feel that mistakes made are no real effect unless someone is purposely trying to misrepresent someone to make them look worse. This was my major issue with slandaar's second post and manuel doing his work to look up my meta for him and then building a case on that. which btw is still really bad idea as using meta from 9 months back is unreliable at best.

This is pretty backwards tbh. Scum are going to care WAY more about their image than Town.

Thanks for repeating infinity; Anyway. I guess I just have a weird mentality and think differently than most town.. Eh.. reference back to my early game Page 3 I think) where I say im struggling with this mentality.

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I personally find dgb worse than kts and aristo beacuse There posts are just confusing while the others I can understand at least..

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At this point naomi town is essentially a given especially because her low exp and how she reads as a player makes the flipside (really good manipulative scum) feel very implausible; but I also feel she's the type scum could leave alive for a later mislynch and make her look scummy through big arguments and retconning the game (or alternatively manipulate her vote). I want her to be considered unlynchable so scum either kill her or have to play with an unlynchable.

This is the way I feel about LQ, Slandaar and DGB to be honest... But some parts of me regisiters there scummy behaviour as too townie.. like its so honest and full of belief .. Its made me real conflicted and kinda confused the last couple days.

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You're sheeping Scumdaar onto KTS now? The beautiful wagon is gone?

Not sure who this was directed at; Im just going with how I feel and right now I just feel a little lost I want to push the people I have issues with but I'm uncertain if there scum and I feel that If I push them and it spirals into a 1v1 of a greater intensity than I have already done then tomorrow scum will easily push for my defeat. I also feel this could be the case if RB or Infinity flips scum as I felt consistently that they are both town and that flip will make it look like I was in a team with the other (and as the final of my called trio would be harder to lynch I feel scum would put me to the block second leading town) I think I need to read over the game again today or tomorow (though likely monday as Im more busy today) As I feel that its best that I reafirm my reads again and refresh myself reading through and trying to be unbiest so I can get a more clear read. but for now.. I just feel kinda lost..

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Slandaar has to unvote KTS first and then I can get on.

This has stopped being funny.. If you want to vote something vote something -_-

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No it's important that I'm not sheeping Slandaar.

Not really.. No body cares as far as Im aware.

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Rb what would you do if all your scumreads voted each other?

What would anyone do if that happened other than have there world shattered if it was serious. Like is Slandaar and Manuel87 went at each other I'd likely go silent and watch trying to get a solid read on either of them until it ended or started to stall where I'd comment on what went on (this is what happens when most major arugemetns happen with me.) I like to not state anything until its at a stage I feel that inputting would aid, other than asking questions. because I feel the bigger arugements help the game progress and give better reads when/if the scum players are unaware of how they are being read at the time during the arugements.

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But really I'm just trying to read more slots atm.

Rask feels town, that's nice. DGB feels town along with Naomi.

Rask, DGB, Naomi, who do you want dead?

Tell you once I review the game again. Right now No one i'm willing to go out on a limb for, I feel I've lost my trackion and need to review and reget my barings Im just going to do it when I get a good long amount of time to re-read the 40 odd pages. I plan to just react as things come until I've done that. planning on doing it either monday or tomorrow most likely the former.

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I made a case at you and Slandaar and me got into a huge fight. Not sure what your pushing here, and I also try to push people to be active.. And its not like this is anything new;

Not always... Im not really relaxed if that helps you any.. I feel kinda on edge.. I really need to learn to relax and stuff.. but its hard and im always frightened of offending people.. I guess I should try to be more brave, but it doesn't help that there is not much to go on yet..

Not always... Im not really relaxed if that helps you any.. I feel kinda on edge.. I really need to learn to relax and stuff.. but its hard and im always frightened of offending people.. I guess I should try to be more brave, but it doesn't help that there is not much to go on yet..

Like.. I know I should feel bullet proof as town and not fear getting lynched as if you are town you don't have to worry.. but I still do and thats just a mental thing that i'm still trying to battle. It makes me read badly at times and thats just something I need to work on.. being brave and putting things out there.

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Then she goes on to make excuses for her townreads to flip scum. Noteable she also read JarJar and Raskolnikov town but didnt mention them here.

I gave them town reads but only recently there is a much stronger link between me rb and infinity as we have all complimented each other at some stage. Tbh recently I been more neutral on Jarjar though I need to reaffirm my reads still thats how I feel before reading back so that may swing one way or the other in the next update as thats going to be a major review update where I read over the entire game upto this point and make sure I choose things.

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Hey guys I thought of a Wild theory while I was sleeping that I thought I might share and get your thoughts on;

What if; This is a two scum game?

Like 11 - 2 does seem very town favoured but bare in mind that all roles are D2 and scum have day talk. Does this change any of your guys theories in a theroical 2 scum game (as lots of you read 3 atm) or do you guys think that this is too unlikely? I thought it could compenstate for the lack of infomation we'd get from roles but the day talk would act as a limiter. 10 town - 3 scum would be more normal numbers imo but the fact that scum have day talk and our power roles are D2 makes me think that if it was 3 scum it would be too much in there favour.

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wait so your veiw on me switched to be the reverse? how come?

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You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

I Did with Slandaar and maneul, just because It got exhausting and unproductive to argue my point so I just dropped it because fuck it..

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You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

Wouldn't him being terrible actually decrease your read-certainty because it's more realistic he'd use bad logic as town? Can you eli5 whats making the difference from LQ badscum to badtown?

I don't know the context enough to know if your reaction is actually reasonable or overblown here but if you can, instead of talking AT him (which realistically is futile if he is scum) summarise why he's scum instead of town misusing meta?

Was just thinking this myself, like they both went in 110% really angry at each other and its SUPER hard for me to believe that scum does that, they just don't need to make such a reckless and fullthrottle commitment over a single vote, this just screams town V town to me which is pretty tragic and I think it also explains (other than people just not wanting to read it) why neither party wants to back down. Like scum normally doesn't react like this to a single vote, no one really reacts like this to a single vote and its because this is an engagement furled by emotion that I just feel that its just indicative of town V town. This also is why I starting townish reading Slandaar because he and me also got into this situation. however, I still feel manuel is scum he didn't have the soul in his vote when he put it out there was the emotions of a killer, to be poetic

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You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

Wow.. Thats shocking.. but kinda agree this entire mess was toxic ..

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You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

Infinity you shouldn't read rb's behaviour here as anything alignment indicative
He does this quality control thing quite often on the other forum I know him on (It's a normal forum, not related to mafia). he sometimes gets aggressive when the opposite side does not concede, which is kinda ironic because an aggressive approach will naturally provoke defensiveness so shit gets drawn out and aggression escalates

That's not even my main issue that this point, it's that rb's opinion on LQ isn't consistent. He went from not caring about LQ's alignment and wanting him lynched anyway, implying that LQ might be town, to being 100% sure LQ is scum. He also said he realized during this game, that LQ should be lynched d1 regardless of alignment, but how is that possible unless he knows LQ's alignment this game?

Just not a genuine thought progression.

In the words of david cage; Emotions.

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Welp Im awake now, not the greatest sleep but I got a large amount of time finally so... Time to backtack and read everyone: Stay Tuned for more after this fairly long reading delay.

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

Haha the irony is unreal.

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I never actually said you were scum. I suspected you for a brief period but if you look I said you were off meta and you were at the start. You are more confident now.

Yeah it was Manuel87 who made me think it was you and him. I realised that reading back.

Just an update as I knew people would of posted by now, I'm still working on re-reading the entire game but Im getting there my reads are pretty much laid out how I expected though.

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TL:DR
Town:
Likely Town: Fire Assassin (repl. rb), Infinity 324, Killthestory (repl. Iprobablysuck*) , Raskolnikov
Townish: LicketyQuickety (repl. SavageDestroyer), kraska77 (repl. Draynth*), MariaR (repl. Rem*), Slandaar
Neutral: JarJarDrinks,
Scumish: DGB,
Likely Scum: hiplop (repl. Aristophanes*), Manuel87
Scum:

DrippingGoofball*: There activity is more scum indicative by they haven't really done enough to be able to make a more clear cut case. I dislike there style and even at this late in the game they are just voting and doing stuff with no contribution // Reasoning for us to look at or into. This might be a cleaver scum strat to sit back and post every now and again without content or it could just be noob scum. There is slight shade tossing though Its subtle..

Fire Assassin (repl. rb): That engagement with LQ was just too honest to not be a town on town fight it was deeply personal and Its something I cannot see a scum player doing.

hiplop (repl. Aristophanes*): Having started with some good content at the start of the game they entirely vanished later on. This makes me think they wanted to get a soild townish cred early on and then skirt the rest of the day which seems pretty suspicious. Combined that with what Rask said and him pretty much admitting he was playing to his scum meta makes me believe that this slot is very much a scum slot. and the new guy coming in and RVSing at this stage in the game seems tasteless like; If new people are coming in at this stage there is SO much to go on that I at least expected a cursory effort. This reeks of someone who doesn't care who gets lynched right now and its that kinda attitude that makes me think there scum.

Infinity 324: Reading through they always look like there scum hunting, asking questions and gives theories and enjoys digging into peoples reads. Additionally they kept there cool under pressure and thats seems like a townie thing to be doing. Im glad my read on them was reaffirmed.

JarJarDrinks**: This one surprised me, I was expecting to go back and read there stuff like; there is nothing really happening here, but nope I was wrong and there was stuff just widely spread and small little comments, They look much better in my eyes than I expected though Still only enough to be nearly townish neutral. only major thing was vanishing for 400 posts or so which is starting to look like active lurking, but there you go.

Killthestory (repl. Iprobablysuck*) Here is something controversial I looked over the ISO from both ISP and KTS back to back and .. I'm not really seeing where this train came from? Its like; IPS commented on the 3 man train on me early game and that suddenly got everyone on there backs until they was replaced. his replacement then took the time to read and do a play by play of his reading of the start of the game, but the train kept on them. Only thing that is motivating me to vote is there improper use of language and talking like a 16 year old douché (also his last post was a load of shit, but thats neither here or there as they dont really have the motivation to continue.)

kraska77 (repl. Draynth*) Yeah they seem alright to me definately been putting in some effort and I like there explanations and how there veiws sometimes don't conform with the game as a whole. Disagree with there picks though so yeah.

LicketyQuickety (repl. SavageDestroyer): That engagement with rb was just too honest to not be a town on town fight it was deeply personal and Its something I cannot see a scum player doing. (Yes I did just copy this part)

Manuel87: yeah Im pretty sure there Scum at this stage, Looking over there stuff. They jumped on the infinity bandwagon when it looked like that might happen then did the same when he noticed weakness in myself. At that stage he was reading me as town until Slandaar posted my meta, and then he voted me when I refused to comment on stuff that was ages old. Then there is all the missleading things I mentioned in my first conspiracy vote. It seems to me that Manuel is looking for weakness and then jumping on it like a wolf and then says stuff to make them look worse. Like he has been voting me for nearly 400 posts because of meta bearing in mind my last town game he is basing this off of is a; Jul - Aug 2013 game so about 3 years old.

MariaR (repl. Rem*) I mostly read them townish because of rem's activities before they vanished they seem kinda confused and uncertain so I'm town inclined with them but still not a strong read, if it wasn't for rem's activity they would be neutral still.

Raskolnikov: They have well thought out and insightful posts I'm pretty sure there town at this stage, so yeah.

Slandaar: Not wanting to ISO this one, so sticking with how I feel right now. I feel they might be town but there playstyle conflicts a lot with my own so its hard to grasp them fully and I still don't like how they play.

You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

reading games blind is very very helpful since playing games takes a long time, and it allows you to adapt your scumhunting strategy and learn much quicker

PEdit: do your best naomi. You should try to avoid being lynched, but if it happens that isn't the end of the world. Try to help contribute to the game as best you can.

This is my mentality not yours.. Why did you suggest this at the time?


Okay this has been bothering me; Whats NAI and AI?


Here is an odd question; Why was everyone thinking IPS was scum? I'm just reading back there iso and It looks like they was trying to make an honest effort its strange that you guys thought this and it was a pretty big collective thought pattern. I'm thinking you guys proberably unmotivated them to stay and they was town looking back on it with this ISO.


I'm probably gonna be grilled for this IPS read..

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

OMG what is with post 867 why are you always quoting yourself!

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-_- my quotes are haunted..

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

I don't know how i'm being LAMIST and what do you mean relook at infinity I have a sr on him and he hasn't done anything to make me want to change it honestly very simple

Also can you all stop "light town reading me" or "Scum reading me" because of Rem I would like to be judged on MY content not Rem's

nothing you can do about that, there comments will always reflect on your slot as you replaced in, same as RB will reflect on others slots.

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VOTE: MariaR

Better to do so now while we have a ml.

If you really want to stop playing just replace out there is no reason to lose your slot over people comparing you to rem.

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Derp I forgot to put my vote down again VOTE: Manuel87

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I'm not self voting because I want to give up I'm doing it because I feel like I'll be less help moving forward.

You'll be less help if your dead.., if they wanna try and miss lynch you then they'll need a strong case and right now no one is really pushing for your ml bar yourself.

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hiplop (repl. Aristophanes*): Having started with some good content at the start of the game they entirely vanished later on. This makes me think they wanted to get a soild townish cred early on and then skirt the rest of the day which seems pretty suspicious. Combined that with what Rask said and him pretty much admitting he was playing to his scum meta makes me believe that this slot is very much a scum slot. and the new guy coming in and RVSing at this stage in the game seems tasteless like; If new people are coming in at this stage there is SO much to go on that I at least expected a cursory effort. This reeks of someone who doesn't care who gets lynched right now and its that kinda attitude that makes me think there scum.

Next level lurking to even replace out of the game to keep the act up.

Just because he replaced out doesn't mean he wasn't lurking there is a huge section of just one - three line responses that didn't add more than 'i'll talk later'

Manuel87: yeah Im pretty sure there Scum at this stage, Looking over there stuff. They jumped on the infinity bandwagon when it looked like that might happen then did the same when he noticed weakness in myself. At that stage he was reading me as town until Slandaar posted my meta, and then he voted me when I refused to comment on stuff that was ages old. Then there is all the missleading things I mentioned in my first conspiracy vote. It seems to me that Manuel is looking for weakness and then jumping on it like a wolf and then says stuff to make them look worse. Like he has been voting me for nearly 400 posts because of meta bearing in mind my last town game he is basing this off of is a; Jul - Aug 2013 game so about 3 years old.

Yes i jumped on a huge 2vote wagon on Infinity to see how rb would react after that. Also Infinity is still in my scumreads so whats bad about voting them?
I realized that your play got to much "oh i am so silly guys pls excuse everything i do *kya*" after JJD mentioned it and you dodged Slandaars question about your playstyle (yes you still didnt really answer that question) all that is explained in the same post i voted you.
Also i did what Infinity suggested and read one of your scumgames from your wiki (the first one in the list from 2012). You show a similar playstyle to this game and compared to the first towngame in your wikilist its completly different your are way more laidback and more focused on answering questions directed at you.
You dont even disagree with my metaread on you but try to disreagrad it as to old to hold any meaning.
In my opinion your playstyl now is far more immature than 2 years ago so how can you explain that?

Okay his question was; Do you think your playing like your town meta; my responce is, its been 3 years since I played town I have no idea! Which is just an expansion of when I said I don't really care cause I'm not looking it up. I don't need to disagree beacuse I'm not looking to find it out I Know my alignment I don't need meta to confirm it. Also you change a lot in a 3 year cycle maybe im more bouncy now and thats just a thing that happened. You really don't know me and using meta to try and know me while being like; SHE WAS DIFFERENT THREE YEARS AGO GUYZ really doesn't build a case and is just pointless shit stirring. as for why I am like I am, maybe I realised Im not that great at this stuff and Know better than I did then and am more self aware, remember there was a 3 year gap where I didn't play this time skip was where I was finding myself. I am a much happier and brighter person than I was then and live happier now.

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Even if most people townread her you should explain that read.Or are you saying you townread her because most ppl townread her?

Just saying that most people are probably seeing what I'm seeing but since ur scumreading her, I'll expound:

Naomi is playing a way where she doesn't care about how her posts look. Something is on her mind and she just spews it out. There's just no carefulness that you almost always see from scumposts.

Not sure who this was directed at; Im just going with how I feel and right now I just feel a little lost I want to push the people I have issues with but I'm uncertain if there scum and I feel that If I push them and it spirals into a 1v1 of a greater intensity than I have already done then tomorrow scum will easily push for my defeat. I also feel this could be the case if RB or Infinity flips scum as I felt consistently that they are both town and that flip will make it look like I was in a team with the other (and as the final of my called trio would be harder to lynch I feel scum would put me to the block second leading town) I think I need to read over the game again today or tomorow (though likely monday as Im more busy today) As I feel that its best that I reafirm my reads again and refresh myself reading through and trying to be unbiest so I can get a more clear read. but for now.. I just feel kinda lost..

In this post she is caring a lot about looking scummy

You say i am scumhunting and interacting so what more do you need? You dont have to agree with my reads i change my reads because of arguments not because some people think differently.

You have a way worse read on rb/FA yet he is a townlean read and i am null? I would like an explanation because i read your argument as "he is town but his reads are bad so he is null".

What more do I need for what? I have you as null.

But who a person reads is certainly alignment indicitive so if you were acting how you were AND had reads that matched mine, I'd probably townread you for it.

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So you think scum would not have their scummbuddys in their readlist?
Since i am pretty sure you dont actually mean that you have to explain to me why you would think i am scummy because of my reads.
Because if i understand you correct you think my reads are scummy so please explain to me why you think so.[/quote]

How can you NOT know who it was directed at, he literally quoted you, you literally quoted him quoting you? like this just baffles me, how do you not see him quoting you? what the hell is this even I don't!? This is so very baffling that I stopped mid reading to make this comment like wtf.

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Ah I see what happened here as I started to read the quote was broken. I was literally speechless!

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I reread and still townread Naomi.

Yeah this is pretty much how I felt about manuel, when I did my reread I went in thinking I may have gotten it wrong but post read I'm pretty sure there scum.

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I'd disagree I think he let his emotions get the better of him and just went bearesk on LQ like if you read both there interactions you can see him getting more and more angry and eventually (though he would disagree Im sure) he just blew a fuse and justified in his own mind that he was scum and tried to justify it to everyone else when that failed he admited to himself and us that he didn't care about alignment he just wanted him gone.

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Eh I think he was just saying anything to get him lynched at that stage, I don't think we can use the LQ interactions to tell anything other than LQ is probably town.

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i'm gonna lurk more, but i might do something later today (gamewise) or tomorrow.

this post is dumb XD

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hiplop (repl. Aristophanes*): Having started with some good content at the start of the game they entirely vanished later on. This makes me think they wanted to get a soild townish cred early on and then skirt the rest of the day which seems pretty suspicious. Combined that with what Rask said and him pretty much admitting he was playing to his scum meta makes me believe that this slot is very much a scum slot. and the new guy coming in and RVSing at this stage in the game seems tasteless like; If new people are coming in at this stage there is SO much to go on that I at least expected a cursory effort. This reeks of someone who doesn't care who gets lynched right now and its that kinda attitude that makes me think there scum.

how dare I vote for the slot I was already voting

This is dumb.

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Urgh... This guy is such an obvs troll >_< this is so much shit..

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i'm not a troll, just fucking unvote me instead of trying to pressure me. your attempts at pressuring me is hilarious, to say the least, and i'm not the slightest bit worried because I replaced into this game for shits and giggles.

im not even voting you.

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Guys I tried to get the mod to act on this bs.. but they say that they dont replace for trolling only for not playing to there win condition and I have no idea how to prove that :s

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Sigh... Hes lucky he is in Rb's slot else i'd hammered him myself..

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Killthestory

Least I can shut him up by making him L-1

[Naomi-Tan]

K I guess I can back off... I mean I just dont like the way they talk ... UNVOTE: But fine.. just for you
kraska77

[Naomi-Tan]

oh this is some dumb shit i'm not hammered yet fucks sake

Im hoping that 1168 and 1150 is enough for the mod to go ahead with a replacement >_<

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Apparently the mod believe getting yourself killed isn't against a win con for both scum and town. now ima just sulk as it is apparent we are stuck with a non-contributor actively trying to die.

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Fire, did you take into consideration the fact that there are probably more power roles than usual in this game, and the fact that JoaT isn't

that

much better than a different power role?

No and your scummy for suggesting this

I dont think it makes him more scummy its pretty logical. all roles are D2 so thats when all our possible information would come from so its likely to have a higher number of powerroles to conpensate for the infomation denial its pretty logical not sure how or why you feel that it would be scummy.

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Fire, did you take into consideration the fact that there are probably more power roles than usual in this game, and the fact that JoaT isn't

that

much better than a different power role?

No and your scummy for suggesting this

I dont think it makes him more scummy its pretty logical. all roles are D2 so thats when all our possible information would come from so its likely to have a higher number of powerroles to conpensate for the infomation denial its pretty logical not sure how or why you feel that it would be scummy.

"How dare you try to work out the games design!" like seriously.

[Naomi-Tan]

I wonder if they plan to self hammer..

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Is anyone townreading DGB?

Eh I don't think so though right now I find they unoteworthy You'll have to check my last read list.

[Naomi-Tan]

Intent to hammer KTS

I liked Rasks post about what KTS claim means for town at this point. Seeing Raskolnikov more towny right now.
As for KTS after that post i think he panicked a little because his i dont care attitude wouldnt work after that.
Before that all his answers were like "i dont care", "so just kill me" or "i am so good" after that his act dropt a little and he contributed a bit.
Combined with the fact that none of my scumreads is voting him atm i guess there is a good chance he is scum.

im not voting him because there was others who was on him that want him gone more than me that removed the vote to prevent lynching. I went to thinking that slot was town after re-reading this behaviour only seems disruptive rather than scummy imo. but thats just my thoughts I could be wrong in which case im sure the people playing will go to town on me tomorow... or they may do so for me just town reading them when they was town being like, only scum could know that. but Its just how I feel this is just A class trying to get yourself killed and there isn't much i can do on that.. So.. I guess one way or another Im not gonna be great but eh.. I'll just keep trying and hope that I can talk myself out of this mess I'm in right now. Jeez.. sleepy posting again and being totally defeatist..

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If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

No Fn way. There's no way in heck that scum sticks their neck out for a teammate playing the way KTS is playing.

If he flips scum then I guarantee you that scum is already on the wagon.

Apparently the mod believe getting yourself killed isn't against a win con for both scum and town. now ima just sulk as it is apparent we are stuck with a non-contributor actively trying to die.

LAMIST post while trying to get her scumbuddy replaced because else he is about to die.

Everyone was claiming they was trolling not just me.. I just actively looked to replace them as I don't like people actively ruining there chances of life I'm pretty sure hes gonna town flip because this scream lynch bait atm like literally to a trolly level.

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You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

PEdit; They was literally trying to kill themselves... that goes aganist both roles imo..

[Naomi-Tan]

please kill me.

[Naomi-Tan]

Thats one of a handful of posts that asked for death.

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You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

Yeah that's uh...no

Really.. he did say he had intent and he is active right now, but he didn't go threw with it..

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please kill me.

So how is that literally trying to kill yourself?

He is literally asking to die, combine that with there activity over yesterday and he was begging for death, there is no two ways to it! he wasn't even trrying to not be scummy and was saying shit to make people less tollerant of themselves.

Pedit; Well there not going to be on the list of people who lynched them, if they think there scum then they should add themselves to the list of people who lynched when we read back we'll not notice it unless we remember this conversation.

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please kill me.

So how is that literally trying to kill yourself?

He is literally asking to die, combine that with there activity over yesterday and he was begging for death, there is no two ways to it! he wasn't even trrying to not be scummy and was saying shit to make people less tollerant of themselves.

Pedit; Well there not going to be on the list of people who lynched them, if they think there scum then they should add themselves to the list of people who lynched when we read back we'll not notice it unless we remember this conversation.

[Naomi-Tan]

Sigh well they killed me. good luck everyone also; most ironic role ever.

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I thought this game was still going from the thread title XD Well played mafia