Open 643: Kill All Townies! (Game Over)

[MrTrow]

which is 4 posts before the vote-reset (which occured at the flip, not as (not only) you seem to assume, the hammer)

this is L-1 btw

@mod: I also no longer go by the name 'Smithereens'

Sorry, catch up-skim (in a timely fashion) not my strong suit (currently staring at notes at 3am, i hope i can make sense out of more of them tomorrow):

just a *silly thought*

we cld always lynch iraon

Why exactly would it be silly to lynch someone who pre-claim-hammered someone who he deemed prob-town (with a confirmable role unclaimed)
who replaced someone who actively let the JR-mislynch happen by designating wagon#3 as the counter-wagon, by declaring the actual counter-wagon to be the vig-target?

VOTE: LQ
Most (if not only) town thing i saw him do was call for vote-consolidation at the end of D1, which would have left a better impression, if he hadn't followed it up by fighting that very consolidation he asked for ever since (D2 being no exception)
Can anyone tell me, does this guy have the tendency to be this dismissive/defensive as town?
Part of the reason why i'm not opposed to the Mirhawk lynch, is because LQ is.

@LQ:
You've been pushing counters for hiplop before and are currently the most vocal pusher of an (any?) alternative to Mirhawk.
Care to present a case why he would be town?
Or a case on the counter-wagon of your choice?

[MrTrow]

VOTE: ira

[MrTrow]

@Almost
2 hammers of 'not scum-reads' within 1 day is one thing.

directly acknowledges a post that

clearly

warns for the 'accidental' hammer he pulled, for seemingly no other reason than to preemptively disclaim the 'accident'.

being the replacement of someone who split the D1(JR) counterwagon, by declaring DixC 'the vig-target and as such should be skipped'(for no other reason than BEING the counter-wagon)

The slot has had a hand in all (mis)lynches, while having a scumread on none of them and had a

pre-emptive

excuse every single time. (and terrible ones (read ones i in no way buy as genuine) at that)

@Bella
Apparently not, given the position of your vote

@Not Mafia

No idea who "iva" is, so this vote hasn't been counted.

[MrTrow]

@ira Your 'excuse' 'it was Ranger's read not mine' has been noted.

care to present

your

case on DixC?

[MrTrow]

and we hit L-1 already

@ira: care to hammer another town-read of yours
Or is 'being alive by 'typo' only', with 3 players yet to check in, enough to get you to explain why you're voting 'your top town-read among ranger's scum reads'

p-edit:
clear intent from Not-mafia

There was a claim though

[MrTrow]

Wait, what did iraonvp claim?

No, that doesn't even make sense...

I'm just vanilla, I can't shoot anyone!

[MrTrow]

Hey guys I'm a bad person

This.
Somehow this is enough of a scumclaim for ira to clear himself (even if it was a scumclaim, it would not)
but not enough to vote someone who isn't his top townread in the 'ranger-approved'-lynchpool.

Wait, what did iraonvp claim?

Scum

Where?
I believe he did, so does everyone who voted him without setting up an excuse for a quick-hammer.
But your last words yesterday were explicitly

in favor

of what everyone else seems to consider his scum-claim.
What did he do, which made

you

decide he claimed scum?

[MrTrow]

I just quick-lynched someone who according to my standards should be a town-read, with no justification what so ever, because i felt like it

Anything i missed?

[MrTrow]

Titus is obv scum,
NM is obv scum,
Bella is obvscum.

Lets lynch one of these.

A case would become very handy if you want someone to follow your lead.

I would ask for a town-case on the wagon against which you're calling for a counter, but we've been in twilight for 22 hours already, so that won't do as an alternative anymore.

[MrTrow]

@DixC
Either Not_Mafia's repeated vote for a spelling-error, (that has been mod-confirmed not to count on a previous occasion) counted:
in which case YOU quick-hammered
Or despite NM calling out the intent to vote ira 3 times, with the trick in play called out twice (by both Almost and myself), you put ira at L-1 (with NM around, yet to vote)
in which case YOU effectively quick-hammered

In either case, i'm not a fan of NM's play in this regard either.

@MN: that's an interesting conclusion.
Care to explain, how falling for your quick-hammer ploy(or playing along with it), makes DixC scum. (of determined allignment i might add).
Also:

I just quick-lynched someone who according to my standards should be a town-read, with no justification what so ever, because i felt like it

Anything i missed?

[MrTrow]

I'm watching you all talking in amazement! For the second night running we only had ONE night kill, yet nobody made any mention of it. What do you make of this?

I make of this, the mafia might know up to 2 wolves
and informing either scum-party which claims (resulting from this fact), i would believe, before the claims are made, doesn't benefit town.

@MN: that's an interesting conclusion.
Care to explain, how falling for your quick-hammer ploy(or playing along with it), makes DixC scum. (of determined allignment i might add).
Also:

I just quick-lynched someone who according to my standards should be a town-read, with no justification what so ever, because i felt like it

Anything i missed?

Theory confirmed

Anything i missed?
VOTE: Not Mafia
No intention what so ever to explain, your obvious premeditated quickhammer?
No intention what so ever to explain, you expressed being IN FAVOR of the actions that resulted in that lynch?
No intention what so ever to explain, how you conclude DixC must be a wolf(not just scum), for FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD?

[MrTrow]

Why was I NKed by both teams??? I have no idea why I was such a target. Someone explain this to me.

- You know Titus.
- I couldn't make any sense out of your weird un-explained (barely pushed) counter-wagons other than 'should not be seen on this lynch' or an investigative role
- Mafia have stated, due to ranger's read on you.

While I didn't run with it like I should have, I would like to point out I pointed out that Chip was scum with my 'reach' that was, in fact, spot on

Not really.
Your 'reach' was LQ and chip are scum-buddies.
There is no way, pushing this harder would have led to a chip-lynch.
a town-flip on either would have broken this point (if you had successfully pushed it)
and i'm pretty sure LQ would have been lynched before Chip.
The best outcome would have been if had taken 'connection-tells' from (either) Titus and myself to do so.

You were right chip was scum.
But you were also right in not pushing this one.
(btw, you have been our #2-kill candidate at some point, it wouldn't have improved your odds there either)

One thing i must say:
I'm a HUGE fan of your explanation of the final kill, in the mafia-PT. (not particularly 'what' the reason was, but the fact 'that' you shared it,
though given the content i must ask: was the 'skipday was a bad idea' your reason for killing titus?)
I would like to know chip's reasons for shooting you. (obviously i'm glad he did, but still)
I'm looking forward to seeing you in another game.

[MrTrow]

Obviously there were better choices.
'someone the other team isn't targeting' would have been better.
which would have been literally everyone.

If we take that element out:
well, the fact you were neither wolf nor cop, the mafia was probably wrong in targeting you. (as afaict, those suspicions were their entire reason for shooting you)
Whether or not the same can be said for the wolves though..............
Titus believed (or at least convinced me she did) you probably would have caught her, if you had lived.

If you're saying you wouldn't have caught (or otherwise pressured into slipping) your (iirc) former hydra-partner, then indeed we probably screwed up by killing you.
Unfortunately (for town) 'i played very poorly', was not something something unique to you.
Mirhawk quickhammered 2 townies in a single day (even proclaimed one 'prob-town' while doing so), one of which was accidental while acknowledging a post

warning for that very accident

(i still really can't fathom what happened there)
Not_Mafia praised the above, yet quickhammered for it and did literally nothing to prevent being the next one.
(with 3-3-2 being effective MYLO, he had 'one of DixC/Trow is wolf or the game is already over' and still tried (but refused to push) a different counter-wagon, on L-2 with 5 scum alive(again in 'effective mylo') still not claiming)

I will admit i wasn't as scared of you as Titus seemed to be, but 'worth keeping around on the grounds of being the worst townie'. No, no you were not.
As for easy mislynches: we only needed 1 more, and there was absolutely no way N_M wasn't getting lynched (apart from being killed by the mafia, for his scum-claim hammer: a lylo-scenario i didn't have the time to reread for).
With a universally town-read Alpha and mafia in no position to target town, not a potential lylo that remotely worried me.

[MrTrow]

For the record that stuff you're attributing to me wasn't done by me.

I mean I was crap either way, I almost exclusively scumread town this game and pushed for multiple lynches which both ended up being on town.

Sorry, i really should stop making night-posts from memory.

Accusing the person being quickhammered (despite such a warning) of being the one hammering,
i think that's the dumbest thing i've done in this thread.
Sorry.

(still not sure what happened though)