Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[rb]

Yeah but you have to look at context. There isn't a particular scum motivation to saying what I said there, because I'm trying to scumhunt just as hard as if I didn't say that.

The scum you're talking about there, I assume, tried to use their statement to make excuses or ignore valid evidence. That's certainly not what I'm doing here. I'm using it to argue against IPS's reasoning which doesn't really make sense.

And of course, expression suspicion is questionable...

But are you trying to scumhunt?

[rb]

Also I remembered why I scumread IPS now. I'd also expect a savvy player to distance from him at this point. You're pretty savvy :^)

[Infinity 324]

If you don't think I'm trying to scumhunt, that would be a completely different issue and your vote would've been on me before I made that statement...

[rb]

No I was voting IPS. Do you think IPS is scum or just bad-reasoning town?

[Infinity 324]

I think it's pretty likely he's scum at this point, those reads don't seem to be genuinely trying to figure people out and his posts rub me the wrong way.

I know you were voting IPS, it's just that if me not scumhunting was the problem, there shouldn't have been a change for you when I said the statement about reasons being weak on page 8.

[rb]

I think it's pretty likely he's scum at this point, those reads don't seem to be genuinely trying to figure people out and his posts rub me the wrong way.

I know you were voting IPS, it's just that if me not scumhunting was the problem, there shouldn't have been a change for you when I said the statement about reasons being weak on page 8.

I never said that was the problem, I was asking you if you really were scumhunting

[Infinity 324]

Yes, I believe I am scumhunting. I'm not sure what kind of response you were expecting...

[rb]

I'm just being snarky

[Infinity 324]

Ok lol

[Manuel87]

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

[Infinity 324]

I'm not using it as an excuse to scumhunt less than I otherwise would, I'm just going with what I got.

[Manuel87]

I'm not using it as an excuse to scumhunt less than I otherwise would, I'm just going with what I got.

But thats not the reason why IPS was scumreading you. Your answer has nothing to do with that or what rb was saying.

[Infinity 324]

Do you agree with what IPS was saying?

[JarJarDrinks]

Here. Catching up

[Infinity 324]

I guess my question is whether you would expect better reasoning from a page 8 vote

[JarJarDrinks]

2 pages in and I think RB is scum. Not sure why anyone would just buy his fake-townslip-reaction-test. I think he was just actually trying to fake townslip as scum, got called out on it, and then made up the reaction test.

[Infinity 324]

If that was a fake townslip not for reactions, I wouldn't expect him to say it was a reaction test, I would expect him to just say it was a real townslip...

I have reason to believe rb would do something like that to see my reaction in particular.

[Naomi-Tan]

@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

I disagree with 2 of there scum picks :I

Hmm, you said you were voting me for pressure, but you never said you had a scumread on me, can you explain that?

Also, why rem?

You're a weaker scumread but I don't like how you voted me without a reason, and then when asked to explain you posted an ISO from a game from like 2 months ago that I only played in for a few IRL days and claimed I was ''giving off very different vibes'' This is my first Mafia game in a while and styles change.

As for Rem, she said I was giving her ''bad vibes'' and then said she

didn't know why

. I don't know about you but I think that seems like scum trying to throw shade on Town without committing to a mislynch wagon.

PEdit: I think Naomi just has no idea what's shes doing. Hard to get a read on.

When there isn't much information to go on using meta data from other games is a good way to determine stuff, this is why I edit all my games into my wiki page so people can look over my meta. given how early on it is and that the first 'real' arrangements are starting to pop up. at the time it would of made more sense to use old meta data.

I really don't buy the 'bad vibes' thing that seems like your shading her rather than her shading you, like bad vibes means your guts are telling you that there scum but there is no real evidence, thats not shading at all :I

I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

Sorry RB but I kinda have to agree with infinity. while early game interactions are important it isn't till later in the game that they help get a more soild read. As you said scum can't adapt to the early game.. it seems to me that you both have differentiating view points that both have merit too them. Early on you can make a good scum read if there is a slip but 9/10 times you don't have that luxury. There was no major interactions before your two messages to go off and make a strong case and from what I gather Infinity was upset at how IPS posted people he thought was scummy with pretty weak reasons one of them being entirely wrong IMO. I believe infinity was attempting to scum hunt by asking his motivation behind his picks which was much more controversial than my own and had no reasoning with any of them. I feel that giving picks without explaining a little why you feel that way leads to this kind of thing because anyone can just randomly assign alignments but it takes thought to explain it out.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

This feels very bandwagony given what I've read from rb and Infinity like I'm not even sure if they read and they didn't take the time to quote where it was used as an excuse so.. yeah I'm now looking at them more scummaily.

[JarJarDrinks]

Through page 4. Townreading infinity and probably Ari too.

Naomis posts are so LAMIST but still kinda lean town though I'm not sure why.

[Naomi-Tan]

Also last night I was quiet because I wanted to leave you two to play it out so I was impartial at the end when I posted.

[Naomi-Tan]

Whats LAMIST

[JarJarDrinks]

If that was a fake townslip not for reactions, I wouldn't expect him to say it was a reaction test, I would expect him to just say it was a real townslip...

I feel like he just did it and after u called him out he realized how transparent it was. Will give BOTD for now though.

[Infinity 324]

Through page 4. Townreading infinity and probably Ari too.

Naomis posts are so LAMIST but still kinda lean town though I'm not sure why.

Why are you townreading ari?

Yeah I think naomi is town but tries a little too hard to look town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Whats LAMIST

Look At Me, I'm So Town

Basically posts that are design to look like something only town would say.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why are you townreading ari?

Page 3 posts discussing Naomi look town to me.

Also questioning Rems "townslip" was exactly what went through my mind when I read it.