Micro 633: Marvel Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

[Ircher]

VOTE: TTH

[Ircher]

Lame....

[Ircher]

VOTE: McMenno

[Ircher]

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

I am.

[Ircher]

*raises hand*.

@Fire - No Lynching and/or mislynching will hurt town, so it's better we just kynch who we think are scum.

[Ircher]

Ah, good point.

If we have more players, it might be a viable strategy, but we don't. We're only 2 MLs away from LyLo and I don't think No Lynch is really worth it.

[Ircher]

Kills don't fail too often tbqh. Higher chance in a micro, yes, but unless the setup is full of protective/blocking roles, the chance of a kill getting blocked is kinda slim.

[Ircher]

Panther hasn't posted yet -- Come & play with us!

[Ircher]

TTH, join the RVS wagon for the lolz!

[Ircher]

TTH, join the RVS wagon for the lolz!

You're not my supervisor!

Yeesh, it was a friendly suggestion!

[Ircher]

It really depends on a player's personality meta as almost every single tell does.

If there is a significant difference between the two alignments meta, then one can use that against a person.

[Ircher]

I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.

That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.

This is a good post, QFT.

It really depends on a player's personality meta as almost every single tell does.

If there is a significant difference between the two alignments meta, then one can use that against a person.

Please be careful when using player metas and don't let that be a main argument. very easy to misinterpret lets behavior and very easy to play around your meta to fool people

Ah, you missed it completely.

Things are only tells if they do it as one alignment but not another. Many scumtells unfortunately end up being more personality tells. And yes, I'm aware metas change.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Alabaska

[Ircher]

VOTE: Alabaska

stop this

VOTE: Ircher

Why?

We sure loved reaction wagons in Beeboy mafia!

[Ircher]

Your wagon dissipitated unless I'm mistaken.

[Ircher]

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

[Ircher]

Why is that? I don't see it.

He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.

[Ircher]

The "scumtell" you are commiting is called "coasting/fluffing" by not scumhunting and just talking about game theory.

It's a pretty big accusation to make tho this early in the game.

[Ircher]

Stop Mcmemer, you've violated the law!

But yeah, weird.

I hate this part of the game. I never have any idea of what to do.

???

[Ircher]

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

Why is that? I don't see it.

He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.

Stop Mcmemer, you've violated the law!

But yeah, weird.

I hate this part of the game. I never have any idea of what to do.

???

I would say start a wagon on this shit but it's ircher

hmmmmmmmm

Go right ahead, I dare you to.

[Ircher]

I found the scum

team

, folks

:^)

Team?

What makes you think I'm scum?
Who have you identified as my partner

if

I am scum? (which I'm not)

[Ircher]

Tell me, what's the scum motivation for my behavior?

[Ircher]

Let's get some wagons goin'!

[Ircher]

@TTH --> To get the game going; we need wagons goin'

[Ircher]

McMenno is town for his reaction to his wagon.
You can be town for your current line of Q with Alabaska.

That's it off the top of my head.

[Ircher]

Alabaska is insisting we continue to discuss theory as if that will help us scumhunt.

[Ircher]

Fire --> Neutral Leaning Town --> Some good introductory questions albeit theory-related; this got the game going for awhile and Fire was able to come up for reasonable reasons why he thought 1 way or another even if I do fundamentally disagree with them. The lack of participation after the theory stuff kinda died down is a bit weird, but understandable cuz weekend and apathy and low activity thread.

Lilith --> Leaning Scum --> Has barely done anything in this game. Has yet to provide any actual reads or thoughts despite promised sing to do so.

[Ircher]

Clumsy --> Leaning Scum --> Has contributed only very slightly more than Lilith; no evidence of actually trying to scumhunt being seen.

PantherPunt --> Null Leaning Scum --> Practically non-existent in the thread.

Xk --> Neutral Leaning Town --> Seems engaged in the game, but not posting enough; hard to get a confident read on currently.

[Ircher]

Alabaska --> Null leaning Town --> ISO is 100% RVS/Theory; while not a bad thing necessarily, Alabaska doesn't seem to necessarily be trying to scumhunt either. I'm thinking town though cuz of the depth of responses, but it's hard to tell atm.

[Ircher]

Oh yeah....

Sorry, I am forgetful about stuff quite often.

Pedit: Well, the reasons are there, so.....

[Ircher]

Currently townreading Clumsy and scumreading Ircher's 106 and 107. Overly serious reaction to what is quite obviously a joke by Mcmenno. Also continues to townread Mcmenno afterwards. Usually if I think someone is attacking me for no reason I'd start scumreading or at least pushing them.

Fair enough about reactions, but the other part....

So you are saying that just cuz someone attacks you with poor reasoning means you should immediately OMGUS? The answer is no; we don't deal in absolutes. If it truly were a joke, McMenno wouldn't continue to push it; anyway, intent is the important part, not necessarily the reasoning, and I find McMenno's intent to be town-motivated.

[Ircher]

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.

[Ircher]

Ugh, busy day. Will look at this tomorrow.

[Ircher]

1. 183 --> Unexplained vote hop from Xk.
2. 192 --> Disagree with the observation concerning McMenno's wagon --> I read it as town cuz I'd expect scum to show some slight paranoia. Your reasoning however is backable and valid. I don't see how pointing out a contradiction is a survivalistic mindset though.
3. 194 --> I disagree with the evaluation of my post 10 as I don't see how one could find it as anything but null. Also didn't really have a huge problem with Fire's entrance as setup spec to often dominates the beginning of games in my experience.
4. 199 --> Disagree about reaction wagons; I feel scum can just as easily push them (and use them as a valid excuse to wagon hop/fake -scumhunt) if not better than town. I like the other comments though not concerning McMenno.
5. 202 --> I never really followed up cuz I felt it wasn't worth pursuing; McMenno seemed to be heavy in confirmation bias so the lack of a response felt to me like he was (and indeed he is) deathtunneling me. Perhaps I should've persisted, but I felt it would've been counter-productive to the game state. (It was an exaggeration after all)
6. 215 --> I agree with Fire's sentiment; while the case is there with some evidence, I think you aren't using meta correctly.... Sometimes, it seems you disregard meta too much; other times, it seems you are using meta too much to push a scumread.

I dislike Panther's push of a pre-flip association between Fire & McMenno and voting the lesser of his scumreads, but I can follow the reasoning for that.
Other than that and my general disagreement with his perspective, I find Panther to have a high chance of being town.

[Ircher]

@Mod --> Starting August 26th, I'll be V/LA every Friday

[Ircher]

VOTE: Lillith

[Ircher]

1. 183 --> Unexplained vote hop from Xk.
2. 192 --> Disagree with the observation concerning McMenno's wagon --> I read it as town cuz I'd expect scum to show some slight paranoia. Your reasoning however is backable and valid. I don't see how pointing out a contradiction is a survivalistic mindset though.
3. 194 --> I disagree with the evaluation of my post 10 as I don't see how one could find it as anything but null. Also didn't really have a huge problem with Fire's entrance as setup spec to often dominates the beginning of games in my experience.
4. 199 --> Disagree about reaction wagons; I feel scum can just as easily push them (and use them as a valid excuse to wagon hop/fake -scumhunt) if not better than town. I like the other comments though not concerning McMenno.
5. 202 --> I never really followed up cuz I felt it wasn't worth pursuing; McMenno seemed to be heavy in confirmation bias so the lack of a response felt to me like he was (and indeed he is) deathtunneling me. Perhaps I should've persisted, but I felt it would've been counter-productive to the game state. (It was an exaggeration after all)
6. 215 --> I agree with Fire's sentiment; while the case is there with some evidence, I think you aren't using meta correctly.... Sometimes, it seems you disregard meta too much; other times, it seems you are using meta too much to push a scumread.

I dislike Panther's push of a pre-flip association between Fire & McMenno and voting the lesser of his scumreads, but I can follow the reasoning for that.
Other than that and my general disagreement with his perspective, I find Panther to have a high chance of being town.

As I was reading this post, I was fully expecting to get to the end and read that you were scum reading Panther, or at least me or McMenno. But after all that, the only conclusion that you draw is that Panther is highly likely to be town?

I don't feel like the conclusion follows from the premises.

1. 183 --> Unexplained vote hop from Xk.
2. 192 --> Disagree with the observation concerning McMenno's wagon --> I read it as town cuz I'd expect scum to show some slight paranoia. Your reasoning however is backable and valid. I don't see how pointing out a contradiction is a survivalistic mindset though.
3. 194 --> I disagree with the evaluation of my post 10 as I don't see how one could find it as anything but null. Also didn't really have a huge problem with Fire's entrance as setup spec to often dominates the beginning of games in my experience.
4. 199 --> Disagree about reaction wagons; I feel scum can just as easily push them (and use them as a valid excuse to wagon hop/fake -scumhunt) if not better than town. I like the other comments though not concerning McMenno.
5. 202 --> I never really followed up cuz I felt it wasn't worth pursuing; McMenno seemed to be heavy in confirmation bias so the lack of a response felt to me like he was (and indeed he is) deathtunneling me. Perhaps I should've persisted, but I felt it would've been counter-productive to the game state. (It was an exaggeration after all)
6. 215 --> I agree with Fire's sentiment; while the case is there with some evidence, I think you aren't using meta correctly.... Sometimes, it seems you disregard meta too much; other times, it seems you are using meta too much to push a scumread.

I dislike Panther's push of a pre-flip association between Fire & McMenno and voting the lesser of his scumreads, but I can follow the reasoning for that.
Other than that and my general disagreement with his perspective, I find Panther to have a high chance of being town.

As I was reading this post, I was fully expecting to get to the end and read that you were scum reading Panther, or at least me or McMenno. But after all that, the only conclusion that you draw is that Panther is highly likely to be town?

I'm not really buying that.

UNVOTE: Fire Assassin

VOTE: Ircher

Motivation, my friend, motivation is key.

[Ircher]

My reads really haven't changed....

[Ircher]

I'll do a Lillith lynch.

I am also willing to be lynched if only to avoid a no lynch.

[Ircher]

@Panther --> You also have to consider different playstyles. Ugh... I'll try to work harder on this today if I have the time....

[Ircher]

VOTE: Lillith

Am I still not producing enough content for you?

You're producing content, but I agree with the cases being presented against you.

[Ircher]

@fa

I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.

That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.

this post is pretty iffy to me. I feel like there's something off about the wording but I can't really articulate what

I miss MoI, why didn't he join this game?

there are a bunch of fluffposts like these. lilith, what do you feel like this adds to the game

You should be taking issue with Ircher for scumreading both me AND Clumsy and voting a null-townread instead. Instead you are blaming ??? while still townreading Ircher. How does that even make sense?

here she's deflecting from herself onto Ircher. I agree with the sentiment but tone feels accusatory instead of explanatory; don't like that

I don't know Ircher's meta.

There are 3 people on his wagon and one more person possibly scumreading him, that's not "everyone."

not taking responsibility here

see, there's a bunch of players that I seem to get a scumread on every game and I can't read them; one of those is ircher. I think I might sort him later

VOTE: lilith

McMenno's case^

[Ircher]

The first dual universe game.

Being inactive isn't alignment indicative and I don't understand why you or Ircher would think it is.

My read on you has nothing to do with activity actually, did you read Ircher posts and believe we had same reasoning?
Your posts and lack of scumhunting are my problems and you jumping on a bad wagon seems like opportunistic.

Fire Assassin's reasons for voting^

[Ircher]

see, there's a bunch of players that I seem to get a scumread on every game and I can't read them; one of those is ircher. I think I might sort him later

VOTE: lilith

If this is true then why did you push him so hard and scumread him right out of the gate? Shouldn't you have already had this mindset and so approached Ircher without scumreading him for his initial behavior?

It's called confirmation bias. A lot of people don't consider this stuff at first; it's only later that they think about this.

[Ircher]

I HAVE A RED CHECK LOL

GET FUKT IRCHER

gg world 1. What a fuckin sweep. Wrecks the whole mechanic. Basically like we are just playing two games

VOTE: ircher

I don't buy that.

VOTE: Panther

[Ircher]

I claim tracker. Pls unvote.

[Ircher]

Action?

You.

You indeed visited Fire Assassin.

[Ircher]

Ircher can you explain the reason you picked TTH as a target for your track, considering you both A) never mention TTH as once being scum, and B) TTH was one of the most staunch supporters of a clumsy lynch.

For the above reasons; I don't choose the obvscum canidate cuz they probably aren't going to perform the kill. I choose someone who people arent suspicious of, so as to ruin the "smart" scum's game.

[Ircher]

THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUM LEFT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ABOUT WHO KILLS

Forgot about that, bust my reasons stay.

[Ircher]

......The luck of a he town in this game.....