Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

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Will get caught up at some point. bare with me.

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Considering that Mafia has daytalk i think Infinity and RB could be scummbuddys trying to fake a towny conversation.

This is a scum slip town has no way of knowing scum have day talk.

Slips, yeah, slips are reliable.

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I can't remember the phase but there is one for when someone posts while your posting so here is where i'd write that, if someone could tell me what the short hand is, that would be great.

That's called getting Ninja'd

Most of the time you get a nice little warning followed by the post(s) that happened while you were in between reading the thread and making your reply. Its a very nice feature of the forum.

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UNVOTE: rb

I feel like someone on that early Manuel wagon is scum.. Don't know who though.

I have no idea why everyone suddenly started scumreading Naomi.

AtE

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IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

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IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

What on earth does that have to do with what you quoted? Also, do you even know what an Appeal to Emotion is?

Yeah, its why naomi was Scum read.

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Go home LQ you're drunk.

Nope, just tired. Just like naomi was, which is why they were Scum read, because they told us they were tired.

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I am Town reading Aristophanes for really no reason.

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@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

Why?

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@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

Why?

Why what? Why am I scumreading you or something else?

Yes.

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I do plan to explain Raskol, yes.

Why hold off on explaining tho?

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IPS is giving off very different vibes from the games I read with him in it as town. Though I do remember him warning about early wagon in that game too...

Early wagons are good for reactions.

IIRC Naomi is a womans name.

Naomi doesn't get it... but okay..

I was very tired, like having not slept in 36 hours tired. I thought infinity was talking about Naomi and not IPS for God knows what reason.

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That's shallow slandaar...

Undecided town doesn't have to ask questions to be undecided. I don't think there was a question he could've asked to help him figure out the situation more.

That is a perfectly valid reason that Slander has in my book.

VOTE: Infinity 324

There are other reasons to Scum read you, but the reason I gave is what I am going with at this point in time.

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@LicketyQuickety So if you disagree, give an example of a question Rask could have asked. Cause I agree w/ Infinitys assessment.

I would have asked strait up what the purpose of the reacting test was and what they got out of it. All I see is that a reaction test was made and no results were produced.

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My memory is failing me. Shit.

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You really are a god.

I can't vote Manuel he's the mafia Role Cop. Draynth is my other scumbuddy.

This was the post I was remembering, not the one after.

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VOTE: LQ

Proved wrong but then doesn't try to re-evaluate

I was just about to unvote you bro. Hold your horses, Jesus.

UNVOTE:

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So, unless Slander votes me, I will prolly be sheeping them since I have proven to be pretty incompetent this game.

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So, unless Slander votes me, I will prolly be sheeping them since I have proven to be pretty incompetent this game.

Why Slander?

Cuz I played a game with Slander and know he's rock solid. IIRC he was one of the few that could read me that game. I was I think friendly neighbor that game and I was voted off day 1.

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LQ could be scum he has been a bit dopey/not really paying attention and agreeing with me is a good strategy but no-one 'misreps' like that without misremembering. It's more a question of if scumLQ/townLQ is more likely to do so.

Its NAI, unfortunately.

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I guess I expected the first thing LQ to do to unvote, I do accept that he could've been about to do that in his next post.

However, his slandaar sheep feels a little like buddying (though a bit obvious). I guess the main problem I have with LQ arm is that, through all that, he didn't give an opinion on rask.

I have rask as Null, currently. Slander could change his vote and we have time (I think).

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Hey LQ, do you tend to play...goofily as town?

IDK... Yes??? You're going to have to be more specific than that.

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Hey LQ, do you tend to play...goofily as town?

IDK... Yes??? You're going to have to be more specific than that.

If you were asking if I play like I am goofy footed as Town, then it would be a definite yes.

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Can I have a link then?

Idk why, the thought popped into my head of you having a certain style naturally and I don't see that here.

Wiki.

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Hey LQ, do you tend to play...goofily as town?

LQ is legit just goofy. I know him from off-site. Only seen him play 2 mafia games but I think this is just LQ being LQ and he hasn't done much to show himself as either alignment. All I know is that he's lynchbait every game he plays whether he's town or scum :/

UNVOTE: Infinity

Doesn't feel right anymore with the way the game's going.

Well, not EVERY game, no.

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VOTE: Aristophanes

because all they have done is talk about slips that is WIFOM and not making any reaction to my reaction test on them, namely, just accepting that I have a town read on them for no reason at all, which I even stated.

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I had to Iso you to see that, as I have yet to read that portion on the game. I don't think I've been hiding that fact. How did you miss it?

I was under the impression that you were caught up based on this:

Have to read from page 6, as I said.

Granted, I missed that you said you were behind in that same post.

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UNVOTE:

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I guess I expected the first thing LQ to do to unvote, I do accept that he could've been about to do that in his next post.

I actually find the fact that he completely dropped his scumread on you even more suspicious. Remeber he said:

Spoiler:

There are other reasons to Scum read you

, but the reason I gave is what I am going with at this point in time.

I did say that, but those other reasons are ones already stated itt. IDK if I can stick to this, but I am just going off that I should prolly have my own reasons for Scumreading someone.

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

Talk about jumping the gun.

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What is your read on me rb?

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But fuck meta, you're scum.

What are your reasons?

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So what didn't you like about his approach again? I'm not following.

I dont like activity stalking like i said in my response to Raskolnikovs post.

That is interesting. How come. I don't mean to press but I am curious.

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Oi but seriously this game is absurd so far and town needs to post more.

colorful use of language is a slight scum tell I have on people that normally don't do that.

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Okay, as I said limited access today (I like how people waited till I had a day with low access to post stuff) but yes I got defensive this is nothing new and fits into what I said earlier on page 4 "what pressure tends to make me do; When pressured I try to look back and down the pages as much as possible trying to find things to talk about, the more pressure the more I tend to panic." And I'm not looking at my Iso's from old games, so I have no idea how im playing; You said you looked at my iso's as town, and didn't mention scum ISO's which makes me think (as im not looking) that you looked at both and noticed I wasn't playing like either? Though this is complete here-say as im not looking it up myself.

But my last game was 9 months ago. So I have no idea if i've changed style or why.. I do feel defensive though, as it feels like your suspecting me and I don't like it.. partically when im not around to defend myself.

Either you are one hell of a manipulator or this is a Town post.

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I know rb off-site
QT too
I'll read and post tomorrow cya

WTF?

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I know rb off-site
QT too
I'll read and post tomorrow cya

WTF?

How do you know me? Who are you, just so we're on equal footing.

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I should know to expect this kind of shit.

@kraska77, What site?

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if kraska is from PerC, this is going to be interesting.

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Boy
What's with the overblown reaction?
Should be quite obvious what site when I said I know both you and rb offsite

I guess..? Zerk?

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It's zerkalo from intpf

Ninj'd me.

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anyways, hi, Zerk, how goes it? We're playing a game so we can't really chit chat, but I didn't think you were super keen on the mafia thing. I guess once it bites there's no going back.

/overblown reaction.

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You are correct.. I am terrible at this game.

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PEdit: It's been a while since I've played Mafia so my style might be a little different.

Or you're noob scum being coached over day chat? :p
seriously though, ips' posts exude noobness but also feel strangely...directed

gtg now. I read up to page 7 and I guess my segmented catchup posts are starting to get annoying so I'll do one proper catchup post on the rest of the thread tomorrow

I can honestly say, I have NEVER been coached as Scum.

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okay so...
isolate this and it looks like towny busy work

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Aristophanes is scum though. He reads really fake to me and the one thing which was going for him in my eyes was the depth of the naomi read (59 -> part of 63); usually people thinking that in-depth so early and unnecessarily/unprompted is a huge towntell, though even at that point I was wondering how he took it that far ("It's just a few things like that which make me think "towny." " makes it sound like he has a massive multifaceted read). But looking into aristo meta to he actually does this as scum!
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I see him love to give out townreads in creative ways as scum and in general hand them out like candy almost to a fault; with all of that there's little effort faking scumhunting. You see a few of them are almost ridiculous in context or really stand out for early reads. OTOH in his towngames the townreading is dialed back a LOT and you see a lot more scumhunting focus.
I think what happens is when something strange/confusing happens from a player, while town are actually trying to judge align aristo since he knows it's town can afford to put the effort into explaining exactly why their town and misunderstood. I think the naomi read really is spot on and so insightful and that naomi is town (after her content) but its like aristo could come up with that read so early/confidently he never actually doubted it. This is the kind of read where I'm either a genius and he panics in scum pt or I'm a total idiot for reading this deep into ~5 posts but I'll go with the former. Along with naomi read the tone kind of bothers me (57, 69) and I think the timing is he got lazy at the traditional point where scum realize they have to start faking doing something useful (in a town position having that early townread is a big help though) but these are more minor.

Though this is kind of awkward because even though aristos probably scum (and dbg is still a promising lead) the inactivity still makes it feel like a big waste doing this, like I almost feel bad(selfish?) doing my own thing compared to everyone else. But I don't really scumread the actives (some NULLs but eh.). TBH I think 2016 lurker-lenient meta helps scum to the point where if they strategized to they could intentionally just lurk and get out the d1 lynchpool, town lynch scummiest active town, they come back day 2 active and nobody cares. Nowadays I see people so against that kind of lynch + I think there's a natural tendency to just sort what you see in front of you so null in a pool of 5 will still be top scumread. 2 of my games 2 scum players were just afk and prodded and people were literally forced to lynch scummiest looking town and it's like okay I think I understand why they used to policy lynch them in old games. But anyways!
VOTE: Aristo

put it back in the thread and look at the context and what the gamestate was like at the time rask made this post...we're talking about only 3 irl days into the game. it. feels. off. i've been in a game before where the same scumari meta bullet points were brought up against him(by a player who was once in a scum team together with him or sth in a past game), maybe it's because im comparing the two gamestates that i notice how off rask's post is? gamestate here was: barely out of rvs, most people had no appreciable reads, half the playerlist lurking, and the ones posting werent really posting much content. rask's post is the kind of post i expect when more than half the playerlist have more solid lists and people eventually get to ari or other lurkers and pressure them for more content or put them as scum by elimination.
timing of the post feels way too early for a meta dive this busy...i'd even argue this is a counter intuitive thing to do considering how early this analysis was, because it makes ari more self aware to how he's being perceived and renders the whole point of your post moot.
second is...i really dont see how he gave that townread to naomi too easily? his read on her felt organic and looked genuine to me. i also liked his comment on rem.
ari so far feels town to me. mostly tonal read and i like the early content he provided


this combined with this :

Spoiler:

I think 1-2 scum are likely in the inactives at this point

This is a very weird post considering it was page five and barely anything noteworthy had happened, and lurking had yet to become a thing

are pinge-y stuff to me

also there's a 3rd point i want to bring up but it's slightly tinfoily so i'll keep it to later if i still think it stands

I dont think I quite get what the point your trying to make is, could you explain a little deeper?

Keep tags in order, thanks.

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WHAT TAGS AND WHY ARE THE POSTS BREAKING LIKE THAT LOL WHY IS THE TEXT YELLOW

That happens when you mess stuff up with tags in spoilers.

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VOTE: Slandaar

His lurking, his excuses, and his kraska vote are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

I could switch to IPS if it comes to that.

Your siggy is wrong.

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I'm not sure how I feel about rb saying I am lynchbait now that I think about it. I mean, I use to be lynchbait, that much is absolutely certain. But I have in fact either changed my game, or people actually have a clue how to read me now. It gives me really bad feels that rb was so quick to think that is the case. He is assuming things about my game in best case. I throw a lot of theory out at rb in our last game we played together off site, so it only makes logical sense for him to put it together that I might just not be the lynch bait I use to be because I also gave several references to my experience in that game and in the Scum chat. I'm not sure I buy that he actually thinks I am lynchbait because I know rb to be a pretty bright guy and I guess I just give him credit for putting two and two together. He might be new, but he is a quick learner as said for the reason for why he was made the mod for mafia on INTPf. The short story is that he is buddying me, something I have never seen him do in a game and I think he prolly learned to do somewhere along the way. Also, there's the whole fake slip business which I'm not sure why people aren't reading him Scum for that. Its based on a reaction that is pretty easy to fake as Scum, namely, just saying "Yup, I did it on purpose." Ofc this hinges on assuming a fake slip is something he would do as Scum and I don't actually have a rock solid case for that.

VOTE: rb

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and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

rb and I were both Scum in our last game played together off site.

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and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

rb and I were both Scum in our last game played together off site.

I also talked some about my experience in the game thread as well.

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and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

rb and I were both Scum in our last game played together off site.

You mean a joke 9-player game with a 6:3 split, including a Dayvig, Cop and Doctor, plus where everyone could talk via PM/off-site/skype/wherever they wanted - where I didn't even bother reading the setup/rules and was just playing for shits and giggles.

Sick meta-read LQ.

This is just wrong. You were taking the game very seriously iirc - you wanted to win. You knew OC was a thing in that game cuz you interacted with people via PM so don't give me this "I had no idea what the setup was" shit. We had a pretty active Scum chat and what you are saying is just making me think I was pretty right about my read on you.

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Yeah because I play to wincon regardless. I'm not gonna throw the fucking game.

Also I didn't interact with anyone via PM in that game dickhead.

Well, i know for a fact that you did receive PMs from people in that game. Sinny. Cheese also talked about their interactions with Sinny in the Scum chat as well.

And this is not at all a meta read, it is a read based on reasoning.

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From the point where I got the role PM in that game from PmjPmj, I PM'd literally no one. I even said this on INTPf as well as in the Spectator QuickTopic about the game.

Your meta-reads on me are absolutely fucking garbage just stop already.

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You could have deleted it just now.

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Yeah if you flip town this game and also in [REDACTED] I'm blacklisting you.

Where the fuck is this coming from? I have a legit read on you. There is NO excuse for that.

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http://i.imgur.com/JUecBIj.png

That's from the spectator QT where I said it as well.

Cheese talked about it though, like he mentioned that Sinny PMed him about if we RB Sinny, she is going to think Cheese is Scum. I will double check this, but I think you even commented on that.

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Sorry, I meant this gem here:

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@rb, you have NEVER told me not to take info from other games off site. If that is what this is about, then I can stop doing that, but I don't want to be blacklisted for doing something that I had no idea you didn't want me to do.

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And I apologize for saying you got PM's from people for that game cuz looking back IDK if that was the case. I was going off the fact that you knew people were PMing people for that game and I honestly thought I was the only person who didn't do any OC that game. That was a mis rep and I apologize for that.

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What's your point? None of that suggests I knew anything about me knowing there's PM's or that I PM'd anyone.

IDK whether you received PM's from people that game cuz I don't remember one way or another, but that last comment in the QT I linked says you did in fact know that Sinny PMed people for OC.

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@rb, you have NEVER told me not to take info from other games off site. If that is what this is about, then I can stop doing that, but I don't want to be blacklisted for doing something that I had no idea you didn't want me to do.

I can't discuss it much because ongoing games but I know for a fact I've expressed extreme disdain at people using meta reads.

How is this a meta read?

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Yeah...because my scumbuddy mentioned it. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about here?

And I don't really give a shit if you don't want to be blacklisted because I'm fucking sick of meta and people literally fucking lying/misrepping me based on meta. I sign up to mafia games to play the fucking mafia game, not to have to go and dig through previous completed games to screenshot evidence of me blatantly not doing any of the things I'm getting accused of.

I hate to break this to you, but meta reads are a thing. People do this, some places more than others. If you can't handle that, maybe this isn't the game for you.

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How the fuck is it not? You're basing half of your shit off of some joke game we played together and then blatantly fucking lying about things I did/didn't do or know in that game.

I am basing my read on facts that happened and what can be reasoned out. I don't consider that a meta read. I consider a meta read something that is based on tells that someone does something as one alignment and not the other, whether that be tone or something more specific like that they only have low activity as Scum or that they always replace out of games when they are Scum or something like that.

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Yeah...because my scumbuddy mentioned it. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about here?

And I don't really give a shit if you don't want to be blacklisted because I'm fucking sick of meta and people literally fucking lying/misrepping me based on meta. I sign up to mafia games to play the fucking mafia game, not to have to go and dig through previous completed games to screenshot evidence of me blatantly not doing any of the things I'm getting accused of.

I hate to break this to you, but meta reads are a thing. People do this, some places more than others. If you can't handle that, maybe this isn't the game for you.

Meta reads are not a thing in the way you're doing them. Like, "oh in this 1 game u said this 1 thing so in this 1 game here u must be X alignment because that 1 thing"

Meta reads to supplement are fine. Lying about shit that goes on in other games is disgustingly fucking low. If you're gonna meta read someone and try to sort their alignment based on stuff they've done/said, have the common courtesy to actually read and understand the thing you're reading so you don't end up lying/misrepping that person. You rely so heavily on this stupid shit and do this so automatically that it's literally unbearable trying to play with you because I'm responding to shit that didn't even fucking happen.

Lynch this lying scum, thanks.

I agree. What I am doing is not really a meta read, as I have stated. The only thing I have "lied" about is not a lie because I know as well as you that you had knowledge that PM's were happening during the game. Logically it makes sense for you to say "WTF, why is Sinny sending you a PM about the game?" but you don't say that, you say, "IDK who else she could have told." So actually YOU are the one who is lying about shit, not me. The only thing I had wrong was that you got a PM from Someone during the game, which is unresolved at this point. I can check or give it up as a moot point which I am willing to do cuz I don't want to read through the whole game again.

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I agree. What I am doing is not really a meta read, as I have stated. The only thing I have "lied" about is not a lie because I know as well as you that you had knowledge that PM's were happening during the game. Logically it makes sense for you to say "WTF, why is Sinny sending you a PM about the game?" but you don't say that, you say, "IDK who else she could have told." So actually YOU are the one who is lying about shit, not me.

So because I don't respond in the exact way you think I should respond...I'm lying?
Maybe different people respond to things differently?

And so you understand why: my scumbuddy said they got PM'd, then I remembered that Pmj said some thing about outside talk and whatever well before the game ever started. But I never bothered reading the setup because it was just a shits and giggles game. I had no reason to go all, "WTF!" you fucking lying fuckwit.

Doesn't matter. you're Scum for playing dumb this game.

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I agree. What I am doing is not really a meta read, as I have stated. The only thing I have "lied" about is not a lie because I know as well as you that you had knowledge that PM's were happening during the game. Logically it makes sense for you to say "WTF, why is Sinny sending you a PM about the game?" but you don't say that, you say, "IDK who else she could have told." So actually YOU are the one who is lying about shit, not me.

So because I don't respond in the exact way you think I should respond...I'm lying?
Maybe different people respond to things differently?

And so you understand why: my scumbuddy said they got PM'd, then I remembered that Pmj said some thing about outside talk and whatever well before the game ever started. But I never bothered reading the setup because it was just a shits and giggles game. I had no reason to go all, "WTF!" you fucking lying fuckwit.

Doesn't matter. you're Scum for playing dumb this game.

You're an absolute fucking moron.

Yeah, at this point I don't buy for a second that you were fake Town slipping as Town.

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Taking all of my restraint not to say hateful shit right now.

And no that's not game related, whether you're scum or town you're a lying piece of shit.

A+

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You're upgraded from being blacklisted if you're town to just outright being blacklisted. There's a point where I accept scum's job is to lie and deceive, but there's also a point where I don't want to play games with people who fucking lie and misrepresent shit that's happened outside of the game being played. I don't give a fuck if you're town or not right now, this is actually fucking disgusting and you're legitimately fucking delusional.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Feel free to replace out, I guess.

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I recently made a similar mistake about talking about blacklisting someone unless they are Town. I think now is a good time for me to make an apology to that person.

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I'm not sure how I feel about rb saying I am lynchbait now that I think about it. I mean, I use to be lynchbait, that much is absolutely certain. But I have in fact either changed my game, or people actually have a clue how to read me now. It gives me really bad feels that rb was so quick to think that is the case. He is assuming things about my game in best case. I throw a lot of theory out at rb in our last game we played together off site, so it only makes logical sense for him to put it together that I might just not be the lynch bait I use to be because I also gave several references to my experience in that game and in the Scum chat. I'm not sure I buy that he actually thinks I am lynchbait because I know rb to be a pretty bright guy and I guess I just give him credit for putting two and two together. He might be new, but he is a quick learner as said for the reason for why he was made the mod for mafia on INTPf. The short story is that he is buddying me, something I have never seen him do in a game and I think he prolly learned to do somewhere along the way. Also, there's the whole fake slip business which I'm not sure why people aren't reading him Scum for that. Its based on a reaction that is pretty easy to fake as Scum, namely, just saying "Yup, I did it on purpose." Ofc this hinges on assuming a fake slip is something he would do as Scum and I don't actually have a rock solid case for that.

VOTE: rb

Can you stop this shit please
This reads like you're just offended he called u lynchbait
And the whole exchange between u two is shitty
Stop it now

I try not to let my feeling get in the way of playing Mafia for very obvious reasons. Feels get in the way of Scum hunting like you wouldn't believe. That's why there is buddying, because people know this. A detached ego is a great boon for Mafia players.

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I'm fairly sure one of RB/Infinity is scum and the other is town due to interactions even though I scumread both.

Congrats, that's one I have not heard before. Mind explaining? I know there is some underlying reasons for you saying such and if there isn't, you are Scum.

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@Slander,

thoughts on my case?

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I'm fairly sure one of RB/Infinity is scum and the other is town due to interactions even though I scumread both.

Congrats, that's one I have not heard before. Mind explaining? I know there is some underlying reasons for you saying such and if there isn't, you are Scum.

What?

Who are you I have reasons as I said mostly due to interaction and I dislike a lot of there posts but even if I didn't have that many reasons gut reads are a thing in this game and you'll get a lot of votes wrong for it.

Read my Wiki on gut reads. Unless you are the type of person who has such good reads that people just assume you are right you need at least SOME backing for your reads. It doesn't need to be a 4000 character post, but it does have to have punch. I have said this elsewhere: If you are just giving gut reads, then that allows Scum to pretty much just do the same thing. The game would essentially become a game where all that was done was voting, which is not Mafia.

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I'm fairly sure one of RB/Infinity is scum and the other is town due to interactions even though I scumread both.

Congrats, that's one I have not heard before. Mind explaining? I know there is some underlying reasons for you saying such and if there isn't, you are Scum.

What?

Who are you I have reasons as I said mostly due to interaction and I dislike a lot of there posts but even if I didn't have that many reasons gut reads are a thing in this game and you'll get a lot of votes wrong for it.

Read my Wiki on gut reads. Unless you are the type of person who has such good reads that people just assume you are right you need at least SOME backing for your reads. It doesn't need to be a 4000 character post, but it does have to have punch. I have said this elsewhere: If you are just giving gut reads, then that allows Scum to pretty much just do the same thing. The game would essentially become a game where all that was done was voting, which is not Mafia.

Does this logic go with poe reads to then cause you're just being unrealistic

The ONLY other way people can just use gut reads is if that is all they do and they are known for that. That makes a really hard way to start playing mafia IMO.

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Uhmmm... I don't have to agree with everything a Town read says for them to be a Town read. I don't have to agree with anything they say for me to Town read them in theory. All I have to do is have rational for why that player is Town and I don't even provide that all the time for my Town reads. Scum reads are likewise - I don't have to disagree with everything they say or really anything as long as I have a basis for why that player is Scum. Admittedly, you need more backing for your Scum reads than your Town reads if you actually want to get your Scum reads lynched.

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I messed up quoting and put my vote in one of the quotes so let me cp it here and ignore it in the quote thing

This whole convo seems really natural and doesn't seem planned or forced from either side. Also

VOTE: Lickly I can't tell if you're just being close minded or you honestly think like that but re reading you're ISO you should have more votes then you do.

This is wanky.

Are you voting me for the same reason or not?

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That slander vote by DGB is terrible.

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Updated reads:

Town - Naomi, kraska
Lean town - slandaar, LQ, jarjar, maria (cause I leaned town on rem), kts
Null - rask (need to re-evaluate, the more I think about it the more I like kraska's point), manuel, DGB, aristo (need to re-evaluate as well)
Scum - rb

What changed your read on me specifically? And I'm looking for more that "other people started town reading you".

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Also, I feel like scum would be more careful about checking their facts before they start making pushes

I disagree, I feel town wants to make less mistakes as it shines them in a negative light, even though I make a lot of mistakes myself all that has done is made me look worse by compassion to some others. I feel that mistakes made are no real effect unless someone is purposely trying to misrepresent someone to make them look worse. This was my major issue with slandaar's second post and manuel doing his work to look up my meta for him and then building a case on that. which btw is still really bad idea as using meta from 9 months back is unreliable at best.

This is pretty backwards tbh. Scum are going to care WAY more about their image than Town.

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Updated reads:

Town - Naomi, kraska
Lean town - slandaar, LQ, jarjar, maria (cause I leaned town on rem), kts
Null - rask (need to re-evaluate, the more I think about it the more I like kraska's point), manuel, DGB, aristo (need to re-evaluate as well)
Scum - rb

What changed your read on me specifically? And I'm looking for more that "other people started town reading you".

I liked kraska's point, plus your push on rb seemed like you were actually trying to contribute even though I didn't agree with the reasoning. Also, I feel like scum would be more careful about checking their facts before they start making pushes.

So your reason for Town reading me is because of someone else's read and something I did at the beginning of the game which afterwards you Scum read me for?

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Updated reads:

Town - Naomi, kraska
Lean town - slandaar, LQ, jarjar, maria (cause I leaned town on rem), kts
Null - rask (need to re-evaluate, the more I think about it the more I like kraska's point), manuel, DGB, aristo (need to re-evaluate as well)
Scum - rb

What changed your read on me specifically? And I'm looking for more that "other people started town reading you".

I liked kraska's point, plus your push on rb seemed like you were actually trying to contribute even though I didn't agree with the reasoning. Also, I feel like scum would be more careful about checking their facts before they start making pushes.

So your reason for Town reading me is because of someone else's read and something I did at the beginning of the game which afterwards you Scum read me for?

Maybe you re-evaluate some reads after 10 pages and a couple days.

Yes, I liked kraska's reasoning for why you are town.
Yes, at first the way you pushed without fact checking looked off to me but I thought about it again and decided it was more likely to come from town.
And your rb push looked genuine to me.

Why do I feel like you are Town reading me because you think I suck at this game?

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It actually kind of looked like it might be AtE to me

despite my sig

Like scummy AtE?

Tbh I thought Aristophanes was scum because his constant, "I'm catching up! Wow fast game!" in a game that isn't even going fast was pretty scummy.

Constant??

I did it once because I was busy. Not because the game was too busy! And I am behind. Have to read from page 6, as I said.

Nice try though.

VOTE: Aristophanes

because all they have done is talk about slips that is WIFOM and not making any reaction to my reaction test on them, namely, just accepting that I have a town read on them for no reason at all, which I even stated.

You mean this?

I am Town reading Aristophanes for really no reason.

I had to Iso you to see that, as I have yet to read that portion on the game. I don't think I've been hiding that fact. How did you miss it?

This vote is weak and opportunistic.

Out of his 17 posts these are the only ones I could find that even remotely looked like Scum hunting. Is anyone else seeing that Scum hunting is the name of the game and is something that he is not doing?

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If scum IS kts/dgb/aristo and I called it this early day 1 I wanna a scummy nom (<3).

For now best thing is to should consolidate on one of these and I think KTS is probably the worst.

Skimming LQ/rb doesn't actually look that interesting. I still think rb's probtown and LQ is overall murky, the way he posts too with quote + short comment and in general microstatements is really annoying. LQ if you could readslist and summarise your thoughts in an easier to digest format that would be great.

Town:
Naomi-Tan - Just looks Newb Town
Manuel87 - I like their thought process and how they are acting like an open book
Raskolnikov - cases too good to come from Scum
Slandaar - I don't sense any kind of manipulation at all coming from him
kraska77 - I read pretty much all their interactions as genuine

Null:
JarJarDrinks - IDK. Just not screaming Town to me. I have no idea what their reads are like because we haven't gotten flips
Killthestory - Gave a readslist that I'm not really sure how to gauge in terms of honesty
MariaR - Could be Town or Scum. I liked what they said about rb and me

Scum:
Aristophanes - have not seen Scum hunting from this slot and a lot of AFK
rb - pretty sure every one saw my case
Infinity 324 - what he DOESN't say is the key factor here
DGB - Just lots of wut.

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If LQ is town he needs to stop being a pathetic scumhunter.

How about this:

Why am I Scum?

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If scum IS kts/dgb/aristo and I called it this early day 1 I wanna a scummy nom (<3).

For now best thing is to should consolidate on one of these and I think KTS is probably the worst.

Skimming LQ/rb doesn't actually look that interesting. I still think rb's probtown and LQ is overall murky, the way he posts too with quote + short comment and in general microstatements is really annoying. LQ if you could readslist and summarise your thoughts in an easier to digest format that would be great.

Town:
Naomi-Tan - Just looks Newb Town
Manuel87 - I like their thought process and how they are acting like an open book
Raskolnikov - cases too good to come from Scum
Slandaar - I don't sense any kind of manipulation at all coming from him
kraska77 - I read pretty much all their interactions as genuine

Null:
JarJarDrinks - IDK. Just not screaming Town to me. I have no idea what their reads are like because we haven't gotten flips
Killthestory - Gave a readslist that I'm not really sure how to gauge in terms of honesty
MariaR - Could be Town or Scum. I liked what they said about rb and me

Scum:
Aristophanes - have not seen Scum hunting from this slot and a lot of AFK
rb - pretty sure every one saw my case
Infinity 324 - what he DOESN't say is the key factor here
DGB - Just lots of wut.

Your reads are bad.

You sure? I might be able to pull off a town block on Day 2. Does that make you nervous? Why don't you provide a reads list?

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I do love your bravado

Make a readslist,

K, Thanks, bai.

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I'll do what I want when I want

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LQ you're probs scum because all you've done is push a godawful meta read and are struggling to create any actual content. Everything's just some artificial dichotomy.

"If you did X because Y you are town, otherwise scum"

Failing to realise there's more than 1 reason for why town might say certain stuff. You're pretty much determined to throw shade and are clinging to your scumread of me despite the fact I proved you to be objectively wrong.

Either the shittest player ever or just scum. Hence why blacklisting after this game.

Dude. I have an image of you admitting you knew Sinny PMed Cheese about her role. As a Mod of the forum especially, I would think you would care a little bit more about a potential major rule being broken, but wtf do I know about you is what you are coming back at me with.

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LQ you're probs scum because all you've done is push a godawful meta read and are struggling to create any actual content. Everything's just some artificial dichotomy.

"If you did X because Y you are town, otherwise scum"

Failing to realise there's more than 1 reason for why town might say certain stuff. You're pretty much determined to throw shade and are clinging to your scumread of me despite the fact I proved you to be objectively wrong.

Either the shittest player ever or just scum. Hence why blacklisting after this game.

Dude. I have an image of you admitting you knew Sinny PMed Cheese about her role. As a Mod of the forum especially, I would think you would care a little bit more about a potential major rule being broken, but wtf do I know about you is what you are coming back at me with.

And so you are saying you are never going to play another game with me because I am Scum or I am bad at the game. That is such a horrible reason to blacklist someone I shouldn't be saying it out loud.

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Town
Infinity
Raskol
Manuel
Naomi
Unfortunately rb

Fairly town
Kraska

More like towneh
JarJar

Leaving
LQ, KTS, DGB, Maria, Aristo

Aristo kinda dealt with the case from Raskol well. LQ going for rb is kinda eh maybe.

Leaving
Maria, DGB, KTS.

KTS/DGB are definite.

Also LMFAO what is Manuel doing.

No wonder I can't read this game. There's more terrible votes than there are scum. Those of you that are town can u plz not?

Why are you voting me? do you have reasons? no. Just a bruised ego.

Stop being a waste of space and actually vote scum.

Am I a Scum read or just a PoE?

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Am I a Scum read or just a PoE?

More very very slightly town.

I'm guessing you have some pretty good reasons for such a specific read?

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Slandaar, explain your JarJar read, I am not getting how they can be a Town read.

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rb is looking pretty butt hurt right now.

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No
And stop bringing up toxic shit again
U 2 move on from whatever crap u keep fighting about bc noones reading it and it doesn't belong here

I have no problems with rb. He is the one with the issue, take it up with him.

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If you lynch LQ it stops. Otherwise it doesn't.

I have LQ as top scumread why would I not talk about it just because you dislike it? It isn't toxic to point out how utterly fucking terrible his case and his play is. I'll keep repeating it until he's lynched too.

Yeah, and you have yet to provide a smidgen of evidence for your scum read on me.

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Stop being a fucking joke of a human being and play the game of mafia, not the game of slander and lie about people IRL.

Leave your ego at the door when playing mafia.

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40 games of mafia later and LQ is still lynchbait in every game he plays, and then gets upset and fucking lies about people in response.

Who's ego is out of check here again?

Who's upset? Me? I'm not upset, I don't know why you think I am.

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Whether he's town or scum it's the best Day 1 lynch.

So now you want to lynch me even though you don't think I'm Scum?

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Hehe, keep playing dumb and innocent.

P-edit: No I think you're scum. And I think anyone who townreads you should just lynch you anyway because you're useless at this game.

And you are blacklisting me for that correct?

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One of u 2 should replace out

I am not the one who is upset and blowing things out of proportion.

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Like I didn't just fucking "say" I didn't know, I posted screenshots of me saying in multiple places that I wasn't aware of it until later in the game. I played at least half of it unaware.

Then on top of that I get accused of some sketchy shit out of game that I wouldn't do because imo that's tantamount to cheating and I'd get no pleasure winning a game like that.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are being incredibly stubborn with this. Its not even worth it.

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That's fine, and I'm not replacing.

LQ is like Titus. Regardless of alignment, they should be speedlynched Day1 if town wants to win.

Again, if you actually believed this your vote would have been on LQ from the start of the game.

No.

I've realised it DURING this game.

Wait a sec. You changed you opinion in general on LQ, based on this game, WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT IN THIS GAME??

Pretty sure this is a scumslip,

I don't think it is a Scum slip, no. I don't hold "slips" in high regard.

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Like I didn't just fucking "say" I didn't know, I posted screenshots of me saying in multiple places that I wasn't aware of it until later in the game. I played at least half of it unaware.

Then on top of that I get accused of some sketchy shit out of game that I wouldn't do because imo that's tantamount to cheating and I'd get no pleasure winning a game like that.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are being incredibly stubborn with this. Its not even worth it.

Yeah I'm the fucking stubborn one here right?

I post 3 screenshots all verifying the truth of my claim, then you accuse me of deleting PM's and then fucking LIE and just disregard them and continue to vote me despite your entire fucking case being proven objectively wrong.

Fucking moron.

Right, but I posted a screenshot of you saying you knew that OC was a thing. I didn't accuse you of deleting PM's I said it was possible, which I have since retracted. If my case was proven objectively wrong, then people would prolly be Scum reading me pretty hard core if they had the same POV that you have. You are overreacting.

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The screenshot you took was like 50 posts into the fucking mafia chat thread, hence me realising DURING THE FUCKING GAME YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT

And I don't care if you realized it during that game or not, that's not my point. The point is that you knew OC was a thing sometime during the game.

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The screenshot you took was like 50 posts into the fucking mafia chat thread, hence me realising DURING THE FUCKING GAME YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT

And I don't care if you realized it during that game or not, that's not my point. The point is that you knew OC was a thing SOMETIME during the game.

EBWOP

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I DIDN'T START THAT GAME KNOWING ABOUT OUTSIDE CHAT. I REALISED DURING.

STUPID. FUCKING. LYING. PIECE. OF. SHIT.

Yes, I believe that. I believe you found out about OC in the game in the message you left to cheese which I gave an image of. That is what my argument is, not that you knew about it the whole game.

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Yeah and your reason for scumreading me is?

Given you were reading the chat and the game thread, you would know my experience and that you would know I am no longer the lynchbait you claim you say you think I am.

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Some dumb shit that happened in that joke game? Rofl.

That is not something that is contingent on my point.

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Oh your post 465 cos u threw theory at me? Your theory is fucking shit dude. You ARE lynchbait, you're fucking terrible ROFL.

Yeah and you played like absolute shit that game too. In the game I modded you were shit too. A newbie had to replace you to get your slot out of being lynched.

You're fucking lynchbait every game you play and nothing you've ever said has made me think you're a remotely good player. You. Are. Trash. Stfu.

So? What is your point here? I am bad so that is why I am Scum? What point does this post serve other than attacking me as a person?

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Yeah it is contigent on your point actually because you seem to think that you telling me some theory is meant to make me think you're good at the game or something, when I don't even think your theory is good and all examples of your gameplay are basically you being shit in at least 75% of your games.

Oh your post 465 cos u threw theory at me? Your theory is fucking shit dude. You ARE lynchbait, you're fucking terrible ROFL.

Yeah and you played like absolute shit that game too. In the game I modded you were shit too. A newbie had to replace you to get your slot out of being lynched.

You're fucking lynchbait every game you play and nothing you've ever said has made me think you're a remotely good player. You. Are. Trash. Stfu.

So? What is your point here? I am bad so that is why I am Scum? What point does this post serve other than attacking me as a person?

Because your scumread is that I'm not supposed to think you're lynchbait and it "gives you bad feelings" as per 465 because you think I don't really think this. I'm explaining exactly why I really do think this.

And my scumread of you is because this is a fucking woeful case and you know it, but you'll sit back and be smug and act like me pointing out how woeful it is is just me doing AtE or some shit when no, your case literally is that awful and I have every reason to say you're lynchbait - because you are.

Well then your wrong because I am not the lynch bait that you claim I am.

p-edit: You are an asshole. I see no other explanation besides this. I have not directed one single ad hom your way and that is pretty much all you have done at me for like 10 straight pages. Grow Up.

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So now that all the reasons for your scumread are obviously false, you gonna keep your vote?

Ofc you are, scumbucket.

Your overblown reaction makes me think you are butt hurt Scum.

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Because Rask, he's not just misusing meta or misreading, he isn't even TRYING to get it right. He might be bad every game but he at least tries as town.

Is that a meta read you are giving there?

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Yeah except mine is based on a dozen or so games watching you be shitty lynchbait, whereas yours is fucking terrible and based on like 8hrs played together.

Well, then like, you don't have a problem with meta reads after putting up such a stink about me using them on you, which you did say at one point?

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No dickhead.

You aren't trying to get it right in THIS game. I don't need your meta to scumread you, but it helps. My read is based on you being scummy here and it matching your scumplay elsewhere.

If I had no scumgames of you elsewhere, you'd still be scum.

On the other hand, you are scumreading me specifically because you think I wouldn't call you lynchbait because this one time elsewhere you said some theory to me.

There's a pretty fucking big difference.

This seems like a conflict of interests. I am reading this as you saying I have better content as Town, but earlier you were saying I was "Mafia MVP as Town" so which is it?

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And also why you should be lynched asap by everyone, whether they think you're scum or not.

I think some people would disagree with this.

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Whoa, really? Are you sure? I NEVER would have expected that!

So you've proven that you are also arrogant, meaning you are an arrogant asshole. At this rate people are not going to want to play with you either.

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Wouldn't him being terrible actually decrease your read-certainty because it's more realistic he'd use bad logic as town? Can you eli5 whats making the difference from LQ badscum to badtown?

I don't know the context enough to know if your reaction is actually reasonable or overblown here but if you can, instead of talking AT him (which realistically is futile if he is scum) summarise why he's scum instead of town misusing meta?

Just so we're clear, I actually don't know why rb is so against me either.

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Whoa, really? Are you sure? I NEVER would have expected that!

So you've proven that you are also arrogant, meaning you are an arrogant asshole. At this rate people are not going to want to play with you either.

Oh so you've never seen sarcasm before. I get it.

maybe Pompous was a better word?

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Your sarcasm detector is still broken.

No, I get that you are being sarcastic and that is what I am having an issue with? Maybe condescending is actually the best word.

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I see. So you pointed out some people would disagree even though it's obvious to me that people are going to disagree because...why exactly?

Because some people only lynch their Scum reads.

What response would you even expect if not sarcasm? Did you think that telling me people would disagree would somehow change my opinion? If not, how could you not expect a sarcastic response?

Hard to say given what you said originally. I guess I would assume you would try to say exactly what you meant so there is confusion if you think I am so stupid.

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Also, how does me calling you lynch bait equate to you scumreading me?

cuz I think you are smarter than that.

Also you said I was buddying you when I called you a scumread and said you play as lynchbait?

You can in fact buddy someone while scum reading them. It is absolutely possible.

How the fuck does any of that make sense? It's so fucking painful to just re-read your post 465. If you're town, you are just absolutely fucking terrible. It's not even a question.

Someone told me I made the best post they have seen seen here. So I'm not sure your argument holds weight.

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I see. So you pointed out some people would disagree even though it's obvious to me that people are going to disagree because...why exactly?

Because some people only lynch their Scum reads.

What response would you even expect if not sarcasm? Did you think that telling me people would disagree would somehow change my opinion? If not, how could you not expect a sarcastic response?

Hard to say given what you said originally. I guess I would assume you would try to say exactly what you meant so there is confusion if you think I am so stupid.

Why do you keep pointing out the obvious?

Being called condescending by you of all people is just so fucking disgusting. Like, do you not see how fucking condescending it is to just continually point out obvious shit to people as if they don't already know the obvious?

I am answering the questions. Why do you have a problem with that?

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LQ.

This isn't a question of smart. You are fucking GARBAGE at this game and you are lynchbait ALL THE FUCKING TIME. There's even RECENT examples of it.

I'm not lynchbait EVERY game, your wrong.

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LQ you're fucking awful at this game, rofl. The only time you're not lynchbait is when someone else finds other scum or there's a cop guilty or something.

There's obviously gonna be outliers, but I think I said before that you're lynchbait in like 75-80% of your games. So yeah we can have a big fight over the wording, but you're pretty much always lynchbait because you're trash.

What purpose does this post serve other than just shitting on me?

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I told rb that I was lynched 8 times in my first 16 games and he thinks it has been a constant for all my game which isn't the case? IDK anymore.

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SO to be clear:

- LQ's case is just absolute shit
- He's tunneling and not even trying to figure out the game beyond my slot that he thinks is scum, when I'm actually town

Do those look like the kind of actions town make to you? Does that sound like the sort of thing town often do?

I'm Tunneling YOU? I think you have it the other way around, man.

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SO to be clear:

- LQ's case is just absolute shit
- He's tunneling and not even trying to figure out the game beyond my slot that he thinks is scum, when I'm actually town

Do those look like the kind of actions town make to you? Does that sound like the sort of thing town often do?

I'm Tunneling YOU? I think you have it the other way around, man.

Your vote hasn't changed in 20 pages and you've done nothing but throw shade at me.

I've been actively trying to figure out the game.

Fuck you're a disgusting lying fuck.

You've done nothing but throw ad homs my way for like 12 pages.

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Except none of it is fucking Ad Hom.

Your case is that I'm being "dumb" to think you're lynchbait. I'm providing perfectly valid reasons for why I think you're lynchbait. You're sitting here doing nothing but discredit.

How many times did you call me an idiot/stupid, cuz I don't feel like going back and counting all of them.

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Except none of it is fucking Ad Hom.

Your case is that I'm being "dumb" to think you're lynchbait. I'm providing perfectly valid reasons for why I think you're lynchbait. You're sitting here doing nothing but discredit.

How many times did you call me an idiot/stupid, cuz I don't feel like going back and counting all of them.

Um you literally called me dumb in your case and just kept repeating over and over I'm dumb and that's why I'm scum, on top of just lying about me and accusing me of doing shit that I consider cheating.

So go fuck yourself you two-faced lying fuck. But hey, because you were 'nicer' I guess I get in 'trouble' here because I was being 'meaner'. Rofl.

I said you were playing dumb, big diff.

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And if I was so bad at this game there would be no way I could do this.

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I don't actually care because I think it's incredibly low for bringing in shit from out of game into here and then trying to make me out as if I'm an ACTUAL liar, not just lying in the context of mafia.

Whoah. Where did I say you are a liar outside of the context of Mafia? Cuz I don't have any idea on that one way or another.

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@jarjar: wrt LQ, I guess we just weight the interactions with rb differently? Cause I have LQ as strong town after that. It doesn't make sense not to back down or try and appease someone that's trying to policy lynch you, as scum. Note that LQ maintained that rb was in the wrong there, that's just a really bad idea for scum in his position.

I felt rb wasn't attacking the right things, I had no reason to back down.

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Hiplop and Assassin:

Why are you Town?

I can see myself changing my stance on both of you giving some good content, in which case I would be replacing my current Scum reads of you both with others. Prolly KTS and possibly kraska77 or MariaR

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hiplop (repl. Aristophanes*): Having started with some good content at the start of the game they entirely vanished later on. This makes me think they wanted to get a soild townish cred early on and then skirt the rest of the day which seems pretty suspicious. Combined that with what Rask said and him pretty much admitting he was playing to his scum meta makes me believe that this slot is very much a scum slot. and the new guy coming in and RVSing at this stage in the game seems tasteless like; If new people are coming in at this stage there is SO much to go on that I at least expected a cursory effort. This reeks of someone who doesn't care who gets lynched right now and its that kinda attitude that makes me think there scum.

how dare I vote for the slot I was already voting

This is dumb.

This is dumb.

This is.. you know what? NVM..

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oh no i'm at l-1

i'm the worst replacement ever!!!

Why should anyone Town read you when you make posts like this?

[LicketyQuickety]

oh no i cant give information because i'm too pressured, someone needs to unvote!!!!!!!

That's called LOLcatting.

intent.

[LicketyQuickety]

no

Err... Why not?

[LicketyQuickety]

i'm not a troll, just fucking unvote me instead of trying to pressure me. your attempts at pressuring me is hilarious, to say the least, and i'm not the slightest bit worried because I replaced into this game for shits and giggles.

So... do you want to get lynched or not?

[LicketyQuickety]

i don't care if you lynch me.

but if you want me to do something, anything, then bring me back to l-2. I refuse to do anything at l-1.

I'm not going to play stupid games, I'm already playing a mafia game.

[LicketyQuickety]

still at l-1

Pretty sure this is a troll account.

[LicketyQuickety]

We have 4 days. We can either lynch KTS or let it sort itself out.

[LicketyQuickety]

No shit, Captain Obvious.

Our trolls a charmer too.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I'm a troll, LQ, what does that make your terrible town play?

@Naomi, I'm not in RB's slot.

it makes me a special snowflake.

[LicketyQuickety]

i don't shut up. i just stop contributing.

I'd hammer you, but we have 4 days left.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you Town?

Is this a real question?

You should read the rest of what I said in that post.

[LicketyQuickety]

What is JOAT?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... all-trades

[LicketyQuickety]

If this flips town I'm gonna be mad at both kts and maria

I am just guessing that maria's gut instincts were right (given they are Town).

[LicketyQuickety]

Like I said, when I'm not as busy, I'll do some more shit, but right now, I really could care less if I'm lynched. If I'm lynched, less work on my plate.

That can be taken as not playing to your win con, you know that right?

[LicketyQuickety]

No, it can't.

If you are a PR who doesn't care if they are lynched? Yeah, pretty sure. You should never really just say "Oh, IDC go ahead and lynch me" that is a level of lack of effort where it borders on not playing to your win con.

[LicketyQuickety]

No, it can't.

If you are a PR who doesn't care if they are lynched? Yeah, pretty sure. You should never really just say "Oh, IDC go ahead and lynch me" that is a level of lack of effort where it borders on not playing to your win con.

Clearly you're not reading what I'm saying, then.

Yeah, I'll admit I'm lost on what you are trying to accomplish.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pushing the notion that unless you have hours to post you can't do anything of value so it's not even worth it.

Painting it as though it's our fault he's not contributing and as though we're actually not allowing him to do anything.

Along with literally the safest claim in this specific game (scum with any ability can "prove" joat) I'd just rope this.

The alternative is what even? With how this setup essentially reduces all power roles to 1-shot I don't even think this could be verified or misproven by counterclaim or such (unless via town Joat) so I don't see the point of waiting.
Odds are if he is town and has a cop/gs he gets roleblocked anyways or his inno killed next night and we still have no way of trusting him at any point. Way more likely he's just plain scum though especially with this roleclaim.

Spoiler:

Upside in the unlikely scenario he's town
a) he gets nightkilled which is somewhat better than ml
b) he doesn't get messed with n2, andgets an inno which we can't trust unless he dies (scum would then kill that inno though)
c) he doesn't get messed with, gets a guilty/track/killblock (this is in general unlikely), but even if we lynch we still don't know if its a creative bus
Alternatively he gets messed with and we don't have anything to judge but wifom vs the chance he's scum and claimed to be roleblocked

Basically there's no situation where he's confirmed town even if he was town and the max benefits are all small... if the setup was different cc/no-cc with role and setup speculation could essentially confirm or deny the slot but that's not the case here.

As scum there's icky situations down the line
a) uses a minor scum role (tracker or neap or something) correctly and we don't know how to judge it
b) claims guilty on someone and trades 1 for 1 with town which is REALLY BAD... or unlikely, decides to bus in mad WIFOM style
c) claims inno on someone, kills them and we have mad wifom
[or claims to get roleblocked or just completely lie about role if he's goon]

I think him claiming the role plus the specifics of this setup mean even if he was town the role has already essentially lost utility. Therefore it doesn't make sense backing off using the traditional logic of always backing off PRs d1 for normal setups.

Lack of CC means nothing in this game for Joat so it's not like standard games where you want to wait before doing it; in this case unless town JOAT specifically exists it shouldn't even happen. If this setup was similar but with all n1 instead of n2 I would see some merit of not lynching him today because big deal. But it being n2 means taking the lynch off the table until at least d3 which is really damaging when he's 95% scum.

I have a question regarding this, but besides that it looks really solid. What was that about Scum Tracker? I've never seen a Scum Tracker in a game, so its a little "huh?"

But you've convinced me:

VOTE: KTS

[LicketyQuickety]

Huh. Since you mentioned it I just looked back if I ever played with it since I wasn't sure how it came to mind. Thing was actually scum JOAT with a 1-shot track in that game which I remember seeing and thinking scum tracker would actually be cool in that it's like neapolitan-esque but stronger in function. Either that stuck with me or I subconsciously remembered with the joat thinking... which is weird and actually kind of cool.

Your points are good, its hard to track (heh... ahem) them sometimes.

[LicketyQuickety]

I can't fucking focus right now. I just wrote like a 3000 word long project I was doing for something else, and my visions all fucking cloudy and shit. I'll try bo i s .

Why are you voting me?

P-Edit: Why are you voting me?

[LicketyQuickety]

The reads and progression on each person specifically, as opposed to top to bottom all mixed together. I was going to make a massive case actually with all the reads per person grouped like this but it didn't (and doesn't) seem necessary so.

The read progression is actually extremely transparent, and you're literally talking out of your ass. Like, holy fucking shit dude.

When I flip town, I'm fairly sure Rask is scum. Like, 99 percent because his reads are absolute ass.

UNVOTE:

99% eh? What makes you say 99 and not 90? 80? 50?

[LicketyQuickety]

why would i say any of those

Why would you say 99?

[LicketyQuickety]

Intent to hammer KTS

I liked Rasks post about what KTS claim means for town at this point. Seeing Raskolnikov more towny right now.
As for KTS after that post i think he panicked a little because his i dont care attitude wouldnt work after that.
Before that all his answers were like "i dont care", "so just kill me" or "i am so good" after that his act dropt a little and he contributed a bit.
Combined with the fact that none of my scumreads is voting him atm i guess there is a good chance he is scum.

im not voting him because there was others who was on him that want him gone more than me that removed the vote to prevent lynching. I went to thinking that slot was town after re-reading this behaviour only seems disruptive rather than scummy imo. but thats just my thoughts I could be wrong in which case im sure the people playing will go to town on me tomorow... or they may do so for me just town reading them when they was town being like, only scum could know that. but Its just how I feel this is just A class trying to get yourself killed and there isn't much i can do on that.. So.. I guess one way or another Im not gonna be great but eh.. I'll just keep trying and hope that I can talk myself out of this mess I'm in right now. Jeez.. sleepy posting again and being totally defeatist..

Another post of excuses.
If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

You are prolly not going to get any decent content out of KTS, so if you are going to hammer, you might as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Intent to hammer KTS

I liked Rasks post about what KTS claim means for town at this point. Seeing Raskolnikov more towny right now.
As for KTS after that post i think he panicked a little because his i dont care attitude wouldnt work after that.
Before that all his answers were like "i dont care", "so just kill me" or "i am so good" after that his act dropt a little and he contributed a bit.
Combined with the fact that none of my scumreads is voting him atm i guess there is a good chance he is scum.

im not voting him because there was others who was on him that want him gone more than me that removed the vote to prevent lynching. I went to thinking that slot was town after re-reading this behaviour only seems disruptive rather than scummy imo. but thats just my thoughts I could be wrong in which case im sure the people playing will go to town on me tomorow... or they may do so for me just town reading them when they was town being like, only scum could know that. but Its just how I feel this is just A class trying to get yourself killed and there isn't much i can do on that.. So.. I guess one way or another Im not gonna be great but eh.. I'll just keep trying and hope that I can talk myself out of this mess I'm in right now. Jeez.. sleepy posting again and being totally defeatist..

Another post of excuses.
If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

You are prolly not going to get any decent content out of KTS, so if you are going to hammer, you might as well.

Probably but he still has the chance.
Also calling intent also allows others to unvote if they arent 100% sure about their vote.
I will wait a little longer so people have the chance to react to the intent but if noone unvotes or he doesnt give a good defense i will hammer today.

That's fair.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: manuel

Dat be a naked vote.

[LicketyQuickety]

Maria I want a scum/null/town list from you
You don't even have to explain your reads

VOTE: rask

Would also vote dgb
And Maria maybe
But I'm feeling scumrask more

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Rask low-key retracting his townread on rb slot bc of fire is pretty shitty especially after fire's townslip

Can you point out the slip? I think you know what my stance is on "slips"?

[LicketyQuickety]

@lq No I don't
And iso him He only has like a couple of posts in the thread it's not hard to figure out what posts I'm talking about

You have had 2 people ask you about the slip now. I think its appropriate that you say what exactly you think that is.

[LicketyQuickety]

Thank you.

I'm a night two JOAT.

And I might do something later, but I'm worn out.

JOAT aren't limited by nights. That isn't a role.

All non-Vanilla roles hold the modifier "Night 2". Other modifiers may exist in the game (in conjunction with "Night 2") if applicable.

How the hell did this pass normal review?
This isn't normal.

All this tells us is that Assassin didn't know about the day two thing. It does not mean that he is Town for sure. Its Townie, yes, but not enough for a lock, far from a lock actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think he's talking about the actions around the bw on KTS and not overall play as in you can do scummy things on that bw but still be town I think you're chasing a deadend.

Not how its presented, even so.
He says he is confident that the team is Hiplop, DGB, and me.
I see no actual reasoning for Hiplop being scum
I think he mentioned me and LQ being scummy in our interactins, which I have no idea, cause I haven't read them.

No idea why DGB is scum either.

I mean I had my vote on aristo (hiplop's predecessor) for a while there...

DGB you may have a point but I mentioned finding her scummy before as well. I got your slot-scum and LQ-town from the interactions

Not trying to call scumteams yet, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the people who were scummy yesterday also acted sketchy around the kts wagon

I don't think that last sentences adds up if people were acting scummy around the KTS wagon...wouldn't scum want to hammer him or am i missing something

Scum would want to be on the wagon, but not try to draw a lot of attention to themselves. Hammering a town PR would be pretty ballsy, I think scum were either on the wagon and not hammering or maybe off the wagon.

Occam's Razor puts this to shame.

[LicketyQuickety]

Occam's razor = the theory with the fewest assumptions is the most likely. I don't see how that theory makes more assumptions about any other theory as to where scum were on the wagon.

Right, and you have it backwards. Its MORE likely that Scum hammer than going off on this, "Scum know they shouldn't hammer because then they look Sus". If Scum want a PR dead, they will prolly Hammer that. We are talking about a JOAT in a game where there is very limited NA going on.

I know I personally don't find Manuel Scummy, so I'm not going to just change my read on him simply for hammering, but I think Scum is more likely to hammer in that situation than not.

Why do you think Scum is less likely to hammer in that spot exactly?

[LicketyQuickety]

And yeah, DGB looks scummy af

VOTE: DGB

[LicketyQuickety]

Jarjar was the one that hammered. See 1351.

Also I think the acronym you're looking for is WIFOM.

I missed that. I say Manual claim intent and I saw Hiplop fire a vote that way so that's what I was thinking.

Point stands.

I have mixed feelings on Jarjar.

[LicketyQuickety]

It's common to look for scum in the middle of the wagon when doing VCA, but that doesn't stop scum from changing. Scum generally try to blend in because they're scared that people will catch them if they stick out.

PEdit: @Maria you may be right.

I'm not saying being on the wagon is towny, I'm saying the hammerer specifically is more likely to be town than not. Of course depends on the player, etc but that's my experience in general.

Yeah, and I'm saying that is baseless.

[LicketyQuickety]

It's based on my experience playing and reading mafia games.

This is starting to get off topic, but what do think is the correct play for Scum to do in that situation?

[LicketyQuickety]

It really depends on how you think the town will scumhunt. If I didn't know I would try to stay in the middle of the wagon.

I'm saying all things being equal. If you are Scum and you have a chance to hammer a pretty strong PR, I say you take that shot. Reason being is that you are guaranteed to get rid of a PR and you are not even close to guaranteed to have that Scum lynched.

P-Edit: I'm not making a big deal out of anything. I coming up with a hypothetical on what would be the correct play to make at that point in time. Theory talk is NAI.

[LicketyQuickety]

It really depends on how you think the town will scumhunt. If I didn't know I would try to stay in the middle of the wagon.

I'm saying all things being equal. If you are Scum and you have a chance to hammer a pretty strong PR, I say you take that shot. Reason being is that you are guaranteed to get rid of a PR and you are not even close to guaranteed to have that Scum lynched.

P-Edit: I'm not making a big deal out of anything. I coming up with a hypothetical on what would be the correct play to make at that point in time. Theory talk is NAI.

I disagree in general, and especially in this specific case. There's no need to hammer when the PR is going to get lynched anyway.

Hmm.. fair point.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wanna lynch me?

Knock yourselves out

You're as bad as KTS.

[LicketyQuickety]

Met me just say there has been exactly 0 (zero) scum hunting from DGB. I just did an ISO and didn't see a single thing that can be considered as such.

[LicketyQuickety]

So Hilop would be dead Null for me if it wasn't for rb, but I can't overlook rb here. Still going to say lean Scum/Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

So Hilop would be dead Null for me if it wasn't for rb, but I can't overlook rb here. Still going to say lean Scum/Scum.

hiplop replaced ari

fire replaced rb

What's up vedith

Uhg. That changes things slightly. My problem with ari was that they weren't doing any Scum hunting. If Hiplop comes in here with something worth a damn that would prolly put them at a Town lean.

[LicketyQuickety]

And with that I'm pretty sure hiplop joins LQ in my scum pool but the answer he gives will be interesting

what
why

I disliked his last page can you claim please I'm thinking about putting you at L-2 again

I'm a 1-shot watcher

Only works on a specific night

Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

She probably just forgot, it's NAI anyway

Watcher claim is enough reason to leave her alive for a day imo. Watcher is a super powerful role. If she doesn't get a result and she doesn't give us a reason to make us think she's town by tomorrow, we can lynch her then. Thoughts?

Is it just me, or is it not difficult to see a Insanity DBG team here?

[LicketyQuickety]

Hiplop still hasn't given me a reason to Town read them, still waiting on the reread with something. That vote on Manuel was sketchy as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh, that's interesting

rb is town I think

Now vote manuel, we need to make the page 2 quicklynch happen

Lynch this

I don't think scum would go through that much effort to fake trying to read people this early on. I could be wrong though.

Do you have any reads yourself?

Asking for reads... on page 2.

I read as sleepy.. but thats not helpful.. I guess I think your trying at least? which I guess is a slight indication but its hard to make any clear calls so early on.. Im not really sure what to make of RB the paranoid part of me wants to suspect him, but the part of me that feels it was honest doesn't.. I guess being half asleep makes it harder to be certain.

Hmm, do you usually act this...uncertain?

Don't like the progression here.

What do you think about naomi

Asking Ari for their read on Naomi. Not getting that.

VOTE: NaomiTan

The vote on Naomi could be telling here?

Oooh lots of stuff.

Rask is gut town for now. Same with DGB

I feel like aristo could be scum, I think scum could come up with that naomi read explanation if pressured on it. I feel like it was slightly overdone for how weak the townread was.

Naomi was bleh and I don't like how she asked rem to unvote. She could be a nervous town though

Also manuel throwing shade and not adding anything useful is bleh. Though it could be town paranoia.

rem could be scum for the townslip right after the discussion about faking townslips, though that would be pretty bold...so still null..

Aristo what do you think about manuel?

VOTE: naomi

It will be interesting to try to pressure-read naomi given her personality

Votes naomi just after DGB. Could be Scum together???

Hmm I actually think naomi is town. I wouldn't expect scum in her position to be this transparent, I would expect them to AtE their way into hiding their motivations.

Back to this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: manuel

Reads manuel?

AFAICT manual hasn't done anything AI up to this point.

rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

More asking about stuff that just looks like shade on whoever rb says. Its like free shade cuz you can't really get pinned for it and I can't put that past Infinity.

Just FYI, Infinity there was never an actual bandwagon on me (In that game or my newbie game) so I didn't have to defend myself like I do here. Maybe that's why i'm giving off ''very different vibes''.

Not sure what to make of this or why I quoted it. Reads a little fake I guess?

Naomis at least being consistent with the value on activity/pressure. The unprompted readlist and effort to advance the game is a good sign.

@Manuel I'm not townreading her

Like this given the flip.

OK I like Naomi-Tan for now even though the read list has a lot of fence-sitting.

UNVOTE:

Unvotes after Infinity *eyebrows*

I forgot why I was scumreading IPS tbh.

VOTE: Sladaar for reading 7 pages and not having much to add.

7 pages is nothing. Either just not getting that or... something..

Because all reasoning at this point is going to be weak, since there isn't much to go on.

VOTE: Infinity

Just nope.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Distancing here looks unlikely, but infinity ends up looking a lot worse here.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

Just pointing out that this reads particularly Townie to me.

@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

I disagree with 2 of there scum picks :I

Hmm, you said you were voting me for pressure, but you never said you had a scumread on me, can you explain that?

Also, why rem?

You're a weaker scumread but I don't like how you voted me without a reason, and then when asked to explain you posted an ISO from a game from like 2 months ago that I only played in for a few IRL days and claimed I was ''giving off very different vibes'' This is my first Mafia game in a while and styles change.

As for Rem, she said I was giving her ''bad vibes'' and then said she

didn't know why

. I don't know about you but I think that seems like scum trying to throw shade on Town without committing to a mislynch wagon.

PEdit: I think Naomi just has no idea what's shes doing. Hard to get a read on.

When there isn't much information to go on using meta data from other games is a good way to determine stuff, this is why I edit all my games into my wiki page so people can look over my meta. given how early on it is and that the first 'real' arrangements are starting to pop up. at the time it would of made more sense to use old meta data.

I really don't buy the 'bad vibes' thing that seems like your shading her rather than her shading you, like bad vibes means your guts are telling you that there scum but there is no real evidence, thats not shading at all :I

I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

Sorry RB but I kinda have to agree with infinity. while early game interactions are important it isn't till later in the game that they help get a more soild read. As you said scum can't adapt to the early game.. it seems to me that you both have differentiating view points that both have merit too them. Early on you can make a good scum read if there is a slip but 9/10 times you don't have that luxury. There was no major interactions before your two messages to go off and make a strong case and from what I gather Infinity was upset at how IPS posted people he thought was scummy with pretty weak reasons one of them being entirely wrong IMO. I believe infinity was attempting to scum hunt by asking his motivation behind his picks which was much more controversial than my own and had no reasoning with any of them. I feel that giving picks without explaining a little why you feel that way leads to this kind of thing because anyone can just randomly assign alignments but it takes thought to explain it out.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

This feels very bandwagony given what I've read from rb and Infinity like I'm not even sure if they read and they didn't take the time to quote where it was used as an excuse so.. yeah I'm now looking at them more scummaily.

I think this is a good post by Naomi and I agree with most of it.

That's shallow slandaar...

Undecided town doesn't have to ask questions to be undecided. I don't think there was a question he could've asked to help him figure out the situation more.

I don't like this post, looks forced.

Try a different route I guess.

your first post came because 2 people voted for you after saying literally nothing.

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

I am fairly sure I only had one vote too.

your second post had your read on Manuel and your vote on Raskol

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

And a question to you.

your third post was saying you'd explain your vote later (which you havn't yet done nearly 24 hours later) after someone questioned you about it

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

and every post there after was a direct response to me after I remarked on your weak line on me.

Not true although the majority, yes. I questioned you, you responded to me, I then obviously respond to you why wouldn't I?

i'd advise replacing out as they are not contributing to finding town by posting short posts to keep the heat off themselves

Don't advise people to replace out.

I think rb is town

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

And yeah Aristo is scum too

I like Jarjar, I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

I also like Manuel - I don't like NaomiTan's case on him, it feels like scum making up shit

Right now I'm considering voting either Aristo or Slandaar

I'll iso and decide

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh? I see.

434

This gets a special area because lel, tried to fix that mess and no thanks.

But the point was that Slandaar was putting some real pressure on Naomi and then ended up Town readin them IIRC.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Not liking Lickety overall.

Also dislike my own activity in this game, will try to improve, but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

[LicketyQuickety]

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

My evidence is in this thread.
Anyone go read your posts and come to a conclusion.

I don't need to case you to figure you out.

This from the guy who grilled me earlier for not explaining my reads...

I am not in the mood for you stuff right now. Please back off.

Infinity has a point here tho. I don't see how you can just shrug that off.

[LicketyQuickety]

Infinity has a point here tho. I don't see how you can just shrug that off.

Easily.

I've seen Scum use that maneuver before - not owning up to a contradiction. Doesn't give me a reason to Town read you, that much at least.

[LicketyQuickety]

Rask, I apologize if you stated this and I missed it, but what is your read on Infinity?

[LicketyQuickety]

Infinity keeps doing all the things that I do except he posts it whereas I mostly keep it to myself.
I make a note on something that happens and then see him bring it up with a similar approach., when I was reisoing my townreads leading to this (yesterday and day before?) he literally started doing the same thing in thread.
Look at his reads on each person holistically (+progression), the depth and analysis is really impressive.

Maybe I should just sheep you for the rest of the game

I want to look into kraska and maria slots though. We'll see what vedith has to say though I remember town reading him in quolls

Vedith was Scum in Quolls.. right?

[LicketyQuickety]

Is there even any other NA that can happen after Night 2? Like I don't see a down side to claiming Day 3.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is there even any other NA that can happen after Night 2? Like I don't see a down side to claiming Day 3.

Really?

Think for a minute. If a PR dies without giving their results it does nothing for Town. As far as I can see there are no other NA happening past N2 so I don't see any reason to hide results whatever they may be. Just going based on what is itt. If everyone claims what their NA are Day 3, it gives Town a better chance at solving the game. I mean the other option is not sharing results until the PR is close to getting Lynched, but then you still have to worry about PRs getting NKed without giving anything.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

I think you're giving too much credit for this. I think u can give him a few town points but there's a lot of scumminess from LQ.

I kinda agree with this. I would not say my case on rb lock clears me, but it is something you don't really see in my scum game too often. Not going to give to the spiel that I have a Scummy meta, I'll let you figure that out on your own.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: Rask

Why was Krask voting you, Rask?
I mean, I can look tomorrow but not tonight.

I feel like you are playing dumb. You don't know why your slot voted for someone and you think I am fishing for saying we should claim our results Day 3.

Why is it a fish vedith?

P-Edit: You were saying Vedith?

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like you are playing dumb. You don't know why your slot voted for someone and you think I am fishing for saying we should claim our results Day 3.

Why is it a fish vedith?

P-Edit: You were saying Vedith?

Just because it's not the case doesn't mean you aren't fishing for it!
How is not reading an ISO playing dumb?

If you don't read up on who you are replacing, then that is just sloppy. Not Scummy in itself, but you made a comment about replacing into a lot of slots to know you really should be doing that, and that is what I think is Scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think we should claim today.

[LicketyQuickety]

VT.

[LicketyQuickety]

Power Roles:
DrippingGoofball
MariaR

Non Power Roles:
Firebringer
Raskolnikov
LicketyQuickety

Forgetting Vedith, who claimed PR.

[LicketyQuickety]

I see how you could see yesterday and be deceived on that concept, but generally you want a PR to have some sort of results before you lynch them?
But hey, thats just me.

Which is why we don't claim Day 2

[LicketyQuickety]

So from what I know standard operating procedure is to always lynch in the PRs.

Can I change to VT then?

Way to WIFOM. Top kek.

[LicketyQuickety]

+7 Killthestory — Slandaar, Raskolnikov, hiplop, DrippingGoofball, LicketyQuickety, MariaR, JarJarDrinks (L-0)

Hey Lickety, see your name on this train?

yes.. and. So your saying I am Scum because I lynched a PR claim? I see what your saying, but given who it is was and what they were doing I don't think I am all to blame here.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think he is Town as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

They are lower if we don't claim. The end.

And all God's people said..

[LicketyQuickety]

That hammer by Maria was Sus. Lets hope for a good flip.

[LicketyQuickety]

That hammer by Maria was Sus. Lets hope for a good flip.

oh shut the f up you're scum and no one sees it I hope with all my power you get lynched if I live to see it

[LicketyQuickety]

That hammer by Maria was Sus. Lets hope for a good flip.

oh shut the f up you're scum and no one sees it I hope with all my power you get lynched if I live to see it

A video retort to me video? Now I have seen it all.