Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

[Crub]

random

vote:JDodge

Hi Everyone

So Glork who are we lynching?

[Crub]

Oh you're no fun.

[Crub]

But then I'd cry and have to give up all hope of surviving day 1 before the end of the first page and that's definitely not fun.

[Crub]

So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?

Never played with a Village Idiot?

[Crub]

So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?

Never played with a Village Idiot?

You know, that's not something you're supposed to feel proud of :\

I'm not proud of it, just pointing out that in my experience it's actually fairly common.

unvote; vote andy

Pressure = Good.

[Crub]

I guess it's a matter of play style. Ripley exercised fairly considerable effort in fighting my accusation and now he's finally fed up with my probes. I wonder what he would do if half of the people were on his case...

Probably get increasingly pissed off at the pathetic crap logic case on him until he was lynched.

[Crub]

I want each person on Andy to give me exactly three sentences (between 15 and 45 words) on why they are voting for Andy.

gogogo

Pressure = Good.
IH told me to.
What elmo said.

Not quite 15 words, and not quite sentences but I think you get the picture.

[Crub]

IH told me to.

Pretty sure he didn't. Do you frequently follow other people's votes without reason?

Yes.

[Crub]

IH told me to.

Pretty sure he didn't. Do you frequently follow other people's votes without reason?

Yes.

Do you have a reason for that?

Pressure = Good

[Crub]

@Patrick: I'm having a tough time hunting scum here, as I haven't seen anything particularly suspicious. All my suspicions right now are still in the "gut phase" The main gutscum to me is Crub, because his posts have been the less useful so far.

OMGUS gut

@IH: Glad you clarified that, but you know that [out of game] I'm in the end of term, which means heavy homework and exams and all that.[/out] That's the reason why I haven't read with 100% understanding, but your points 1 and 2 (about missing content) are true because of this.

Fair enough if you don't have time to participate in the thread, but surely you've either got enough time to catch-up with 20 posts before posting? And if you don't you should consider asking for a replacement.

[Crub]

Alright, let's play ball.

What do you expect to get out of different reactions to bandwagoning-pressure?

Forget reactions, the first thing I expect to get out of shakey bandwagoning is to promote some sort of general discussion for a start. Secondly it's more valuable judging reactions from people C, than from the bandwagonee. Pretty much no matter what sort of response you get from the bandwagonee is going to be a null-tell.

[Crub]

Haha if you don't want me to tell you what I'm trying to do don't ask

Anyway, the point I was trying to make: Now that you've seen some reactions to your behavior, what do you think of those reactions? What information have you gained thus far?

Not much, from this boring town, being controlled by you
You're neutral.
Andy gets town points.
Elmo loses town points.
Shanba is neutral.
Patrick loses town points.
IH gets town points.

[Crub]

Not much, from this boring town, being controlled by you
You're neutral.
Andy gets town points.
Elmo loses town points.
Shanba is neutral.
Patrick loses town points.
IH gets town points.

What led you to these conclusions?

Andy responded well,
Elmo's response was laughable,
Shanba was ok
I thought your ignoring the entire thing and asking andy's opinion in the middle of the whole thing strange,
IH handled himself well

[Crub]

Interesting.

The two that I need explaining to me the most there are the two negative ones. What did you find "laughable" about Elmo's response? Your comment on me is blatantly false, and makes me wonder if you're only skimming the game, since in my very next post after your pressure vote on Andy, I commented about Andy (and have continued to do so amongst other things). I also find it strange that you've targetted me for this, when several people actually

have

completely ignored the Andy wagon. Explain?

Wow, how about I revise my statement and say that if you feel "targetted" by the statement "Patrick loses town points." I am even more concerned.

[Crub]

You acknowledged that there was a wagon on Andy, you lended minor support and then proceeded to ignore it that's the way I read it.

Glork asked me what I thought of responses in relation to the andy wagon, I gave my thoughts. If you disagree with my thoughts that's up to you. If you feel that I'm "targetting" you when I clearly wasn't it, that concerns me.

[Crub]

Why have you overlooked a bunch of people who haven't commented on Andy at all?

Being inactive and/or ignoring it all together is different from acknowledging it and then proceeding to ignore it.

Also, you haven't answered my question about Elmo.

I felt Elmo was stretching to make himself look good to glork

[Crub]

good, logical case on Andy?

As I said laughable.

[Crub]

That said, Crub, what do you think of wank's behaviour around the Andy wagon?

He acknowledged it but didn't find any merit in it and kept up his tunnel vision on ripley. Methinks there is a past history between them.

[Crub]

unvote

Not much to add at this point other than I find wank's playstyle irritating, but each to his own I suppose.

[Crub]

stuff like 171 makes me feel ungood about him. This is more idle curiosity than real concern, fwiw.

Did you feel that I was targetting you when I said that you had lost town points?

[Crub]

Uh. The statement obviously refers to me. I can't help but feel you're going to play some kind of semantic games about feeling "targetted" and therefore being defensive if I just say "yes", so I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

Crub: Have you stopped beating your wife?

Firstly please don't bring my wife into the conversation, and please don't say that I'd ever beat her. Not cool dude.

Secondly mafia is a game of interpretation, if you say I am "targetting" you but you mean is that I "mentioned" you along with a number of other people in my analysis as having said something that I found off or strange, then I would ask you to please clarify that when I mis-understand you.

vote: Elmo

[Crub]

[Crub]

My 2 cents, I've never played with wank-scum, but this play is consistent with wank-town.

I'm more concerned about Patrick/Elmo over defensiveness, and defensiveness over each other.

More posting from some people would be appreciated.

[Crub]

Ok, I'll be gone for the weekend, so here's my 2 cents before going out.

Discussion over semantics shouldn't happen except for rare instances. Also, what good is it to know that "I'm 100%Townie" and "I'm Townie" mean different things?. Even if they do (I don't want to think too much about it) It's not helpful for finding scum. If it is, please tell me why and how.

UNVOTE. Vote: wank

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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who celebrates it. I should be back by Monday

"I've got nothing to add so I'll just say exactly what glork said (that'll make me look pro-town for sure), oh and by the way I'm not even paying enough attention to know who I'm voting for"

[Crub]

I find it amusing that elmo considers anyone that has a negative opinion of him is a non contributor.

[Crub]

Elmo, why am I an easy lynch?

Your playstyle is less than pro-town. I think it's fair enough to call you an easy lynch.

[Crub]

No I'm not Elmo but I agree that you could be seen as an easy lynch.

How often do you find yourself under lynch pressure on day 1 when you're town? I assume it's fairly often.

That could be an indicator that your play-style needs improving

[Crub]

Also am I right in assuming that the deadline kicks in, in about 25 minutes from this post?

[Crub]

@mod:

By [

scene to be added later

] do you mean that we have already failed and we have lynched one of patrick/andy?

[Crub]

Wow 3 pages overnight? Holy posting batman!

I'd be a whole lot happier about a JDodge lynch if I didn't feel as though the bandwagon materialised out of thin air, very quickly with less than stellar wagoners.

[Crub]

"when you're town"

it usually put's the town down 2 people. Considering your playstyle will distract the town enough to give us very little information from your bandwagon. I'd call 2 less people with no information a bad thing.

[Crub]

Little bit overcrowded by work. Will post later or tomorrow.

Mod: When's the deadline?

Reading the rules is fun.

First post says Tuesday, that's why I'm asking.

You should try and read post 2.

[Crub]

Ok, so
Elmo was
anti-Shanba
pro-Glork
anti-Patrick

JDodge was
anti-Glork
anti-Patrick
anti-Shanba

I like the idea of a Patrick or Shanba vote, but Glork you're causing me real concern.

[Crub]

Just listing recent suspicions of proven pro-town people

[Crub]

Because I like to use it as a starting point on day 2

[Crub]

I don't know if I've ever listed dead peoples suspect lists before ... maybe, I've definitely seen it done by other people before ...

How much weight? Well generally we know that that's what they were genuinely thinking. So when they mostly co-inside with my internal thoughts a fair amount. It just gets added into the mix really.

[Crub]

What's the point in listing that Crub? I mean, we all know now that their suspicions were genuine, but that doesn't make them true automatically.

Glork, I'd appreciate a reason behind your vote.

Do you honestly read anything? You did this yesterday too.

[Crub]

I'm sorry weekend posting is pretty limited for me. Especially last weekend when I was sick from thursday through to tuesday. And this weekend gone the holiday festivities have started which meant again no posting

It was unfortunate that my illness coincided with the deadline in this game. However I honestly thought that the JDodge bandwagon was shakey at best.

I think you guys missed my point about listing what the dead dudes thought. I was just saying that those guys were town therefore I'm going to listen to what they thought about the alignments of different people, over say what Glork has to say, because while I agree with him today his alignment is not known to me.

[Crub]

I want to vote andy.

Do you see any links between andy and anyone?

[Crub]

ok I'm going to

vote:Patrick

@bookitty :

[Crub]

Actually.

Unvote, Vote: Ripley

Oh but I don't want to vote ripley And your vote on Patrick was one of the reasons I'm voting him

[Crub]

Given that, do you also feel that Patrick is scum based on the fact that it was your vote on Patrick that started Ripley's reaction to your playstyle?

[Crub]

in the name of progress.

unvote;vote ripley

[Crub]

I'm vanilla

[Crub]

Also my thoughts on the game considering I'm going to be dead in an hour or whenever this deadline kicks in.

I feel there's definitely a connection between Andy and Patrick Look at it more closely tomorrow, there's scum in them thar hills.

[Crub]

[Crub]

Oh just realised I haven't posted since IH's claim. So that means IH is the cop then

[Crub]

Holy frick. Some of my reread got cut off. I thought I even previewed it.

= ( I'm sad. Andy is still the play. Crub is a likely scumbuddy.

WTF did you get that from? I've voiced my suspicions of Andy since day 1. Whatever.

I'm in favour of a Patrick or Andy lynch.

[Crub]

Andy's stance on Crub looks very shifty to me

Yeah it's almost like he want's to link me to someone he knows is confirmed scum.

[Crub]

Andycyca
Patrick
Shanba
Bookitty
Thestatusquo
Glork
IH

[Crub]

Before I vote, I want Patrick, Andy, Crub, and Shanba each to make an ordered list of players from "Scummiest" to "Most likely protown." I want to see something.

Just following orders boss.

[Crub]

Can I switch bookitty and Shanba around on my list?

I think now Andy/Patrick/Kitty likely, at least kitty was smart enough to stick Shanba in between Patrick and andy on the townie scale.

[Crub]

vote: Andy

Either the scum are not paying enough attention to quick lynch, or Andy is scum.

[Crub]

2 votes, by 2 confirmed townies, 3 scum, 5 to lynch.

[Crub]

seen a two-person, not a three-person though, been part of a two-person too from memory.

[Crub]

So are you admitting to coaching your scumbuddy to speedlynch?

Give it a rest dude

[Crub]

Oh well :\ Looks like I lost this game for town.

[Crub]

unvote; vote Patrick

[Crub]

a) I'm not scum.
b) I'm reserved to already losing.
c) I think the scum team is probably Patrick/Andy/Kitty

[Crub]

Just to highlight, I've managed to convince the Cop and the Paragon I'm scum. What sort of "snowball's chance in hell" am I supposed to have in this situation

[Crub]

Why do you think I'm voting Patrick?

[Crub]

Dude you've obviously made up your mind already.

[Crub]

Let me put it this way. Given that IH has displayed his myopic inability to think anything other than me being scum, why even bother?

Can I just ask do you see these scum lists and you immediately think Crub/Shanba/Patrick?
IH : Andy/Crub/?
Glork : Andy/Patrick/?
Crub : Patrick/Andy/?
Shanba : Patrick/Andy/?
Andy : Shanba/TSQ/Crub
Kitty : Crub/TSQ/Andy
Patrick : Crub/Shanba/Andy
TSQ : ?

[Crub]

And I suppose those last two posts are kosher too.

Andy, it's already been pointed out I'm appealing to emotion. It's something I do universally as town and scum, I don't really care if you lot think it makes me scum.

[Crub]

I'll probably have more to say in the morning before I go, for now at least, nobody is in any sort of danger. I'd also be happy to see Crub present his cases, particular the one against me, mostly because I don't think he has one.

You're right there's not any one thing that you've done, however there is enough "off" interaction between you and Andy, it's made me suspicious since day 1 and the way it's continued has done nothing to allay my suspicions.

[Crub]

Eh.

Vote: Crub

FoS: Patrick, Shanba

GG Scum.

[Crub]

Does andy not count Glork?

I'm guessing 2 out of Kitty, Patrick, Andy have to be scum.

Shanba's about face with his opinion of me, isn't that surprising.

[Crub]

I guess we just have to wait for patrick to come and hammer now.

[Crub]

That happens when someone points out you're wrong.

[Crub]

oh lots of lulz in this game.

unvote; vote shanba

75% chance my odds are improving.

[Crub]

He's proving his innocence, when I turn up town and in the off chance the doc is lucky.

[Crub]

Also can I point out here, in the small chance it helps my cause, at least when I put the 3rd vote on Andy it was consistent with my views on who I thought was scum.

Shanba's vote is different to his expressed views, not only from the start of today, but also from directly after I made my 3rd vote on Andy.

All of the scum are in this list : Shanba, Andy, TSQ, Kitty.

[Crub]

Oh well I give up.

I suck at this game.

I'm still town though. GG Shanba and co.

[Crub]

I didn't occur to me until after Patrick hammered, that we could have No Lynched yesterday for a free investigation.

Oh Well.

[Crub]

Oh I forgot about the no, no lynch thing

and yeah the deadline rules made it rrrreal hard.

[Crub]

To be honest I just didn't think before I voted Andy, I was sure that glork's vote had been on him for a lot longer than it actually had, plus I was pretty sure that he was scum with Patrick.

I didn't see the big deal about it.

[Crub]

Crub, what is a Crub? Nobody seems to be able to tell me. What inspired the name?

It's just a nick name that stuck after mutating from other nick names.

The most recent mutation was Curb -> Crub. I find it amusing now that in some games people are calling me Curb as an insult on my name