Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

[Sikario8]

don't go off without MY random vote!

vote: wank

[Sikario8]

Where do we go from here?

[Sikario8]

Your third point looks like you're reaching.

As reaching as it may sound, it

is

a method I've seen utilized in other games. As a matter of fact, I've done it myself...

[Sikario8]

I believe it to be an alternative to lurking or active lurking or whatever syntax your mafiacrazed use...

[Sikario8]

not so much that they wouldn't listen to me as much as it was my establishing that i was, in no way, form, or fashion, a Battle Mage or mneme or any other experienced player.

i was a noob.

[Sikario8]

correction: am a noob

(I have yet to finish a game...or get lynched)

[Sikario8]

alive and moderately well...

[Sikario8]

i think i'd better read the forum first

[Sikario8]

i think i'd better read the forum first

It's one thing if you are not playing but at least don't admit it publicly?

I'm reading and present; it's just that I have nothing of substance to add at the moment. Wouldn't want to be the village idiot again, now would I?

[Sikario8]

unvote wank

[Sikario8]

almost done reading amongst homework and school projects

[Sikario8]

but i AM present

[Sikario8]

Happy holidays, everyone.

A WEEK OUT OF SCHOOL!

[Sikario8]

happily unreplaced and reading

[Sikario8]

vote Elmo

, my hat's in the ring

any comments...?

[Sikario8]

But wouldn't Shanba benefit more from actively, if discreetly, pushing a bandwagon? Let the town lynch itself?

[Sikario8]

I'll tell you why I voted later, advisement's over

[Sikario8]

But wouldn't Shanba benefit more from actively, if discreetly, pushing a bandwagon? Let the town lynch itself?

Not sure I understand. Actively pushing a bandwagon suggests a different thing to me than letting a town lynch itself.

I'll tell you why I voted later, advisement's over

Not good enough when we're deadlined in this way. If you have solid reasoning for thinking Elmo is scum, you need to share it now. I'm becoming a bit sceptical.

Shanba is the only one giving me scummy vibes, like he's trying to make up a distancing scene with anyone jumping on wagons.

Can you elaborate on what you mean here? Do you think Shanba is scum distancing himself from someone?

Catalyst. When I say let the town lynch itself, I do not mean by lurking, I mean by voting and actually having the town lynch itself while NKing at the same time – dual attack. When you say you’re becoming a bit sKeptical and say that my reason isn’t good enough – what do you mean? You’re shooting one-liners. What do

you

think about Shanba, what is your opinion?

I want to hear your reasoning and sound logic the same way you want to hear mine. This is a town, not commi nation.

@IH: I'm going to read what you wrote, I promise. Just not now...

[Sikario8]

i have no idea, but i'll get over it

[Sikario8]

unvote
vote JDodge

[Sikario8]

I'd be a whole lot happier about a JDodge lynch if I didn't feel as though the bandwagon materialised out of thin air, very quickly with less than stellar wagoners.

This is a legitimate concern in principle, but

apart from Sikario

, I don't see anything wrong with the wagoners. Glork = obvgood, I don't see any problem with Ripley (I don't think you've mentioned him) and I'm still not sure what your problem with me is. As far as I can tell, you're voting me for giving a long answer to Glork and for something I didn't say, this "targetted" = "defensiveness" business.

Why're you still voting for me, anyway? I can think of a reason, but if it's that, then it's fairly obviously not working.

wank: Put it this way, I have 8 people in mind who I don't want to be the president, and you were the least objectionable president to my mind. Also, if you're a townie, then getting lynched on day 1 is a townie lynch, which is bad. Unless you do something to counter the loss of a townie, which I don't see you doing, then it's a bad idea, no?

I had no idea my vote would metamorphisize into such a catastrophe; however, JDodge doesn't seem to care, so...

[Sikario8]

I misread. At first, it appeared as if you implied that the JDodge wagon was wrong or negative, but I think i get it now. You aren't fond of reasonless bandwagoning. I agree, reasonless bandwagoning is wrong.

@Jdodge: Don't you think reasonless bandwagoning is wrong?

[Sikario8]

I misread. At first, it appeared as if you implied that the JDodge wagon was wrong or negative, but I think i get it now. You aren't fond of reasonless bandwagoning. I agree, reasonless bandwagoning is wrong.

@Jdodge: Don't you think reasonless bandwagoning is wrong?

If you think the bandwagon is reasonless, a bandwagon that you

know

could possibly lead to a lynch, why are you just letting it go and riding it?

I had no idea you'd actually say anything about it. You don't mind, do you? I mean, it's practically harmless and, if it does come up to something, I can easily withdraw my vote. I just...want to appear...well...

active

.

Code: Select all

Squad 8 Of Solam

[Sikario8]

Are you honestly this upset about being lynched?

What do you mean about Elmo? I thought he wanted a dead Shanba for Christmas.

[Sikario8]

EBWOP

I misread. At first, it appeared as if you implied that the JDodge wagon was wrong or negative, but I think i get it now. You aren't fond of reasonless bandwagoning. I agree, reasonless bandwagoning is wrong.

@Jdodge: Don't you think reasonless bandwagoning is wrong?

If you think the bandwagon is reasonless, a bandwagon that you

know

could possibly lead to a lynch, why are you just letting it go and riding it?

I had no idea you'd actually say anything about it. You don't mind, do you? I mean, it's practically harmless and, if it does come up to something, I can easily withdraw my vote. I just...want to appear...well...

active

.

Code: Select all

Squad 8 Of Solam

What the hell? You want to deadline lynch me to appear

active

?

I

still

can't see how no one else sees Elmo's extreme focus on getting me lynched.

Are you

honestly

this upset about being lynched?

What do you mean about Elmo? I thought he wanted a dead Shanba for Christmas.

[Sikario8]

btw, guys, i think quotes are good

[Sikario8]

[Sikario8]

EBWOP

I misread. At first, it appeared as if you implied that the JDodge wagon was wrong or negative, but I think i get it now. You aren't fond of reasonless bandwagoning. I agree, reasonless bandwagoning is wrong.

@Jdodge: Don't you think reasonless bandwagoning is wrong?

If you think the bandwagon is reasonless, a bandwagon that you

know

could possibly lead to a lynch, why are you just letting it go and riding it?

I had no idea you'd actually say anything about it. You don't mind, do you? I mean, it's practically harmless and, if it does come up to something, I can easily withdraw my vote. I just...want to appear...well...

active

.

Code: Select all

Squad 8 Of Solam

What the hell? You want to deadline lynch me to appear

active

?

I

still

can't see how no one else sees Elmo's extreme focus on getting me lynched.

Are you

honestly

this upset about being lynched?

What do you mean about Elmo? I thought he wanted a dead Shanba for Christmas.

No. I'm not upset over being lynched. I'm upset over being lynched for

no reason whatsoever

.

*sigh* as much as I feel Elmo is scum, at least he

has

a reason for his vote.

Unvote, vote: Sikario

I have a feeling I know what you're going to say next, so I'll respond now; It's not OMGUS if there's a reason behind it.

You're an incredible genius, JDodge; however, I was not going to accuse you of an OMGUS - you're doing the logical thing of trying to protect yourself by throwing a vote my way unless you're actually upset about being voted for no reason, which I believe you are. Due to this, I'm going to seriously consider why I'm voting for you. While I do this, would it be possible for you to consider why I

shouldn't

vote you? It'd be like a court case.

O and, btw, I'm in no way trying to jokingly brush aside your desperation vote. (Hopefully, you'll be able to pull yourself up by dragging me down to the bottom of the sea, right?) LEARN TO SWIM, ASSHOLE!

[Sikario8]

To keep from being deadline lynched, couldn't you switch your vote to someone else so that they'd have as much as you?

For example:

unvote JDodge
vote wank

So now you and wank have the same amount of votes. There's only a 50% chance that you'd die.

[Sikario8]

FIRST TEST
PASS!!!

WHOOOO!!
(sarcasm)

[Sikario8]

Actually, since I'm up and still can't sleep, I'm just going to go for it.


I stated six people whom I believed were likely to be protown (as in, significantly higher than a 3/11 chance). Objectively speaking... at the end of the day, I am going to be wrong in some of my opinions in some of my games. I'm not perfect. You know this as well as I do. If a player were perfect at labeling others as town or scum, they would have no reason to play the game.

My confidence when I made the protown assertions stems from the fact that, as I said before, I think people need to force themselves to make decisions and just stick to them one way or another until/unless something arises to convince them to change their opinion.

Right now, I still firmly believe that my protown reads are likely accurate. I realize there is a chance I may be wrong -- such an approach is critical to weeding through the muck and finding scum if your initial reads aren't perfect (which, as I established earlier, happens as surprising as that may seem to some).

The impression I get from your complaints is that you want to accuse me of being noncommittal because I'm not exhibiting 100% confidence in my reads. Such a notion is beyond ridiculous. I am not going to lock those six players as "Protown" for the rest of the game. I am not going to close myself to the possibility that I was wrong about my initial read on somebody. But

until I am given reason to change my opinion

,

I am perfectly happy calling the likes of Crub, Apple, IH, Andy, Elmo, and Glork protown.

I guess my point is.... I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. I don't see an inconsistency in my take on things, and if your gripe is as I'm interpreting, I think you're being far too extremist.



Now, regarding the "boldness" comment. Perhaps I should have used aggressive, deliberately controversial, stubborn, reckless, and excessively vocal as descriptors. Point is, lately I've been very RAWR a lot, and it's turned heads in bad ways. I wanted to avoid that, but apparently me toning things down is just as alarming to people. This is what sucks about being a "high profile" player -- scrutiny from all angles.

And finally, regarding the last quote -- it means exactly what it says.

Where's

JDodge's

name...? Is he scum?

[Sikario8]

To keep from being deadline lynched, couldn't you switch your vote to someone else so that they'd have as much as you?

For example:

unvote JDodge
vote wank

So now you and wank have the same amount of votes. There's only a 50% chance that you'd die.

I don't think wank is scum. I'm not going to vote someone with equal votes just to save myself if I don't think said person is scum.

unvote wank
vote JDodge

[Sikario8]

i gave you a chance...

[Sikario8]

Where's

JDodge's

name...? Is he scum?

Where's your name...? Are you scum?

Well hell,

I

don't know, YOU'RE the mastermind...!

Oh...wait...or is Shanba the smart one...? Anyway, I'd rather get rid of JDodge than Shanba.

[Sikario8]

All I know is that Sikario moved his vote like 4 times on page 16 -_-;

FoS:Sikario

Also the game that I last saw Wank play was actually newbie 506.

Twice, but all the same.

[Sikario8]

the sig tells all, but ask questions anyway; i'm sure i'll answer them eventually...

[Sikario8]

I don't think it's very useful to look at the lynched person's suspicions... chances are we took that into consideration before we lynched them. But looking at who was NKed can be interesting (albeit full of WIFOM).

My personal feeling is that statements like this:

I had no idea you'd actually say anything about it. You don't mind, do you? I mean, it's practically harmless and, if it does come up to something, I can easily withdraw my vote. I just...want to appear...well...active.

and this:

Are you honestly this upset about being lynched?

are oddly self-conscious, and in the latter case, seemingly incurious and uncaring about the outcome of a possible lynch.

Despite the obvious argument that he always plays this way, the comment about wanting to appear a certain way is definitely a scumtell.

Since JDodge was town, why wouldn't he be upset at being lynched?

Don't you care about his mislynch? And why do you want to "appear" active, when you're not actually being active and helpful?

I'd like an explanation of these statements. Thus, I'm placing a vote to pressure that explanation.

vote: Sikario8

•

I've decided to change up my playing style, thanks to you. You've shown me the inefficiency of my ways. Thanks, Boo.

•

How was I to know that he was town?

[Sikario8]

Decided I might have been wrong about Andy, as I'm not so sure a noobscumbag would have felt the need to pile onto JDodge at that point, when JDodge was likely going to be lynched by deadline anyway (even if not that immediate one). Not that his tendency to copy has really changed though.

IH needs to post something real.

Sikario

, and Crub,

please answer the questions I asked you

. Bookitty, got any thoughts on players other than sikario?

Vote: Shanba

•

Could you refer to the post in which you addressed said questions?

[Sikario8]

Ok, Shanba. I suppose you're at least now not saying things about me which are blatantly false, though I still find the attack ridiculous overall.

Patrick: How are bandwagons started? To be sure, no one was calling for his head. But what if Andy had reacted badly to your vote? The residual suspicion on him was such that it could very eagerly have become a decent wagon. Hrm, how to explain.

I've left out the whole part about the forest. The "what if?" part is silly here. Is there some reason why Andy was likely to react badly to my vote, as opposed to say, anyone else? I didn't particularly get the impression he was freaking out when he had 3-4 votes on him, why would my vote suddenly make him "react badly"? Couldn't you be making this same point about alot of votes in this game?

My vote being the fourth means it's quite difficult for me to be moving onto a bandwagon that's just taking off, I would say. Also, my vote had a clear purpose that Patrick's lacked. Yes, perhaps it was an exaggeration to say that they were wagons that were just taking off. But it wasn't a large one. They both folllowed the mood of the last few posts pretty much exactly, and they were both on players who had been under scrutiny. I don't think what I said is as much of a stretch as you make out.

Actually, I don't think your fourth vote had that clear a purpose. A vote without any stated reason is pretty flexible for you. You can jump off later and claim it was only for pressure, or you can just leave it there and add some reasons later. My vote had the obvious purpose of expressing my suspicion of him. I still think you're overstating the mood or trend against him at the point, but I suppose that's more subjective. (I could accuse you of something similar regarding your vote on me, as Ripley said, Glork clears his throat for a possible vote on me, and you jumped in).

It somewhat bothers me how you seem to be ignoring significant parts of the game, and avoiding taking stances on them, though I suppose if you've been on limited access that excuses it slightly.

Andy, what do you think of JDodge? You've posted after the bandwagon formed on him but not commented on it.

Bleh. JDodge's last post causes me to waver on him slightly.

Sikario, I might regret asking, but what was that stuff about testing him? Why would him refusing to vote the biggest rival wagon make you vote for him?

•

It wasn't to be a real test. I was just replacing in and wanted to get some new stuff to work with, that's all. I'll try to elaborate later, but I have to go to 4th period

[Sikario8]

Add Sikario and Wank to my "probably protown" list

. Those two, plus IH, BooKie, probably Crub, and probably Andy... and of course, me... that means the scums are Shanba, Patrick, and Ripley?

That doesn't feel

completely

right. I'll mull it over. I may even look over the thread in the coming days.

•

[Sikario8]

And you know what I don't like about you?

You seem to enjoy provoking people into speculating on your motivation rather than just answering the question in the first place. That wouldn't be any fun for you, would it? You have to be allowed to play out your little games.

I

have absolutely no idea what your motivation was, and

have no intention of being browbeaten by you into making a stance on a matter where I don't know the answer

. End.

I want to know what you think my behavior is most indicative of and why you think it.

Unlucky. See above.

That doesn't help catch scum.

Whereas spouting glib facile non-answers to reasonable questions does?

•

I like this. It works so well for Glork to be the serpent confusing the young Ripley, whom clearly has no chance of survival when pitted against the big snake. Glork sees you as pathetic, Ripley, or am I still trapped in fables...?

*shrug*

You're the one who brought up my behavior to begin with.

I've given you plenty with which to work. Just because I'm not catering to your ideal of perfect play doesn't mean that I haven't been productive

. In fact, I believe

I've taken a stand on every single player in the game at some point

.

If you're protown, you ought to grow a set of testicles and figure out what you think

.

•

Reminiscent of the feminine sting - the woman whom can say what she wants, verbally and emotionally slash you to shreds, and then walk away unharmed. Ruthless.

•

I might have missed your stance on me.

I want to vote andy.

I don't know if I really want to.

What's the use of these posts?

And exactly why you want to vote me?

I think you are scum but not sure enough.

I still want to hear why IH didn't comment on yesterday's wagon.

Vote: IH

-------
Also, I'll be V/LA from dec 14th to 21st. and random access during holidays

•

Just curious - Wank's trying to vote you and, when asked, he gives no reason; however, you're voting IH...? Never mind, disregard...

Sry, guys, I tried to read, but I've been stuck in fantasy land as of late...I may be on acid, who knows...?

[Sikario8]

Sik, you're either an idiot,

completely absent-minded

, or you're not taking this seriouesly at all. You

even

commented

on my opinion of you

:

Add Sikario and Wank to my "probably protown" list

. Those two, plus IH, BooKie, probably Crub, and probably Andy... and of course, me... that means the scums are Shanba, Patrick, and Ripley?

That doesn't feel

completely

right. I'll mull it over. I may even look over the thread in the coming days.

•

•

Definitely absent minded...

•

What's wrong with that?

[Sikario8]

Vote: sika

•

It's SIKARIO!