Mini 1818: Princess Bride Mafia (Game Over!)

[farside22]

/confirm
Westley: There’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to damage yours

I had no idea I was in this movie.

[farside22]

/confirm
Westley: There’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to damage yours

I had no idea I was in this movie.

I need to confirm that for mod reasons.

[farside22]

/confirm
Westley: There’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to damage yours

I had no idea I was in this movie.

I need to confirm that for mod reasons.

Hahaha. I'm just kidding. You can actually probably ignore most things I say unless it begins with "MOD NOTE:" or is just so obviously mod-related (Like a vote count)

I laughed so hard I woke the child too.

Touche Mr. Mod
Touche

[farside22]

Hi rach, this is gonna be fun

I might as well claim now, I'm the beloved princess. When I die the next day phase is skipped.

Why?
Not why are you the.
On what planet do you think claiming that is a good idea?

[farside22]

Cause it's negative utility so less risk to be NKed

Also gives us something to talk about

That ability doesn't give the less likely to be targeted.
That like giving scum a gun because you don't know how to use it.

[farside22]

My name is Nero Cain, you killed my father, prepare to die.

vote: farside

^ scum

I had a ping with Leon, based on his reaction.

[farside22]

VOTE: Moi

Sorry Nero I'm not a sheep, I'm a headhunter looking for scum.
I noticed with things he'said saying read as a bit of a stretch. Typically I notice he doesn't make something out of something that minor.

*scribbles notes down*

[farside22]

DID YOU KNOW? They almost made The Princess Bride in the 1970s. In this proposed adaptation, they were going to have Arnold Schwarzenegger play Fezzik instead of Andre The Giant.
I mean, can you even imagine Fezzik saying, "Anybody want a peanut?"

Vote Count 1.1

Magna of Illusion - (0/7) -
Massive - (1/7) - Infinity 324
Peter Elric Pines - (0/7) -
Shaddowez - (1/7) - MagnaofIllusion
Nero Cain - (1/7) - RachMarie
Dread Pirate Roberts - (0/7) -
Infinity 324 - (0/7) -
Sword of Damocles - (0/7) -
Leonshade - (1/7) - Shaddowez
Primate - (0/7) -
RachMarie - (0/7) -
farside22 - (0/7) -
NOT VOTING:Massive, Peter Elric Pines, Nero Cain, Dread Pirate Roberts, Leonshade, Primate, farside22

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch!

I just threw up in my mouth a little with that horrible imagine in my mind.

[farside22]

Sorry Nero I'm not a sheep, I'm a headhunter looking for scum.

if that we true you'd be voting Massive or Shadows

You've already stated your not scum heading massive so.....
As for shadow I'm not seeing it.

[farside22]

so what is your case on shad?

thats he's your scum buddy

Nero do me a favor and maybe try to be rational

[farside22]

You ACTUALLY thought my case on Shadow was that he was scum buddies with Rach?

True I am scumreading them both but and if I'm correct they WOULD be scum together unless we have diffrent scum factions but my case on Shadow is that I thought he was being dense about Infinitys claim.

Thank you that is much more clear.

I'm thinking about it mostly because moi is voting him and I'm a bit bugged by him currently.

[farside22]

there are SKs in minis all the time. No way you are town and acting like that isn't true.

I'm not following the scum read on rach at all here.

[farside22]

It's correct

[farside22]

I don't recall Nero being this super focus or critical or nitpick.
I'm sensing a meta research in my future.

That said I'm waiting for a few players to post.

[farside22]

What the fuck just happened

Secret vote?
Mod wifom?

I'm not sure.
I'm curious, I wonder about the balance of this game currently.

[farside22]

What the fuck just happened

Secret vote?
Mod wifom?

I'm not sure.
I'm curious, I wonder about the balance of this game currently.

Rest assured. This game was tested and adjusted to be fair and balanced.

Christopher Reeve was considered for the lead role of Westley.

Vote Count 2.1

Magna of Illusion - (0/5)

Peter Elric Pines - (0/5)

-

Shaddowez - (0/5)

-

Nero Cain - (0/5)

-

Dread Pirate Roberts - (0/5)

-

Infinity 324 - (0/5)

-

Sword of Damocles - (0/5)

-

Primate - (0/5)

-

farside22 - (0/5)

-

NOT VOTING:

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch!

(expired on 2016-08-13 20:30:00)

MOD NOTE: I gave fifteen days instead of fourteen days for the countdown because I realize how this is all right before the weekend.[/color]

So can you explain what happened?
Please????


Still think moi is scum, primate hasn't really been involved.
Everytime Nero post I feel myself shudder a bit and I can't follow the omgus there.

[farside22]

My logic is fairly simple so not sure why you are having a hard time. Have you tried thinking or you know...just asking me?

Why are you making mountains out of molehills?

[farside22]

Which molehill am I making?

You're points against rach, your comments about dpr, which is just omgus.
Ithe just comes across as trying too hard to me.

[farside22]

Which molehill am I making?

You're points against rach, your comments about dpr, which is just omgus.
Ithe just comes across as trying too hard to me.

*shrugz*

I was doing what I needed to do (or atleast what I felt was a good idea) to get a read on Massive. Rach light pushing me for "pushing a wagon on someone I didn't have a scum read on" seems like real easy and something I could see scum pushing. I also felt like she was being massively dense for not thinking we could have a SK in this game and I felt pretty misrepped in 91.

DPR hasn't done anything but push town and agree with others and IIOA so no if you want to cry OMGUS fine but I don't see the town motivation.

He found you scummy and agreed with MoI.

The horror.

Primate had basically said hi and been too busy to post.

this guy is far scummier the dpr in my view.

I'm just not sure why your attack one person harder then the person saying you should be held responsible for a massive lynch.

[farside22]

you do know that I'm currently voting Pep right?

No.

I thought you were voting for dpr.

[farside22]

if you are going to try to fuss at me atleast read the thread.

Sorry I've had a long day with a lot of interruptions.

[farside22]

I'd like to see Primate and Shadow do something this game.
I wonder if I'm asking too much.

[farside22]

@mod: Pwease wespond to my post about whether I can stop my post westwiction soon. It's way mowe van wost its chawm alweady.

It was bugging me so much till it hit me where the slur came from.

@pep: have you played mafia before, if so where? If not how did you find this place?

[farside22]

Me.

[farside22]

Well you've posted enough already...

I want to see more from PEP, sword, primate, and shadowez.

It's the weekend. Wait till Monday then smack people around

[farside22]

I would, but there's a size limit. Is there a way to shrink a picture so it'll fit?

@pep: have you played mafia before, if so where? If not how did you find this place?

I have. I usually play on homeschooldebate.com, but that website is not for mafia. It's just something people also do. I've played, I don't know, close to ten games(it is quite different there, but not enough that I don't know how to play here. If you'd like to know how it's different, I'd be glad to tell you). Then someone mentioned on that site that they knew about other sites. I really like this game, in all it's forms, so I asked him what websites, and he said mostly mafiascum.net. So here I am. This is my second game on this site, the first is Overwatch, which is still going.

How about giving your reads so far?

Sorry for making people wait for these, but last night it was getting late and I had to get off, and now I have to get off for family reasons. Sorry, I know this is suspicious, see you tomorrow(night).

So from what you know about mafia, are scum pushing wagons, laying low, leaders, follows?
What I want to know is what are scum tells you typically see?

[farside22]

Im afraid to vote after day 1.
Since the mod is being coy about that lynch I'm think we should fos until we are sure we want to lynch someone.

[farside22]

Moi: is there a reason you think Primate doesn't deserve pressure?

[farside22]

Moi: is there a reason you think Primate doesn't deserve pressure?

Since I don't think that ... no.

Is there a reason you fabricated my stance in this question?

It's seems your going off on Infinity for voting Primate, called the vote bad and a crappie reaction test.
You literally posted that Infinity motives were purely scum motivated so I'm trying to get why that is when it could be as simple as to push Primate to do something more.

[farside22]

It's seems your going off on Infinity for voting Primate, called the vote bad and a crappie reaction test.
You literally posted that Infinity motives were purely scum motivated so I'm trying to get why that is when it could be as simple as to push Primate to do something more.

We are talking about a vote from Page 2. Infinity keeps defending it as not terrible and bringing it back up so the conversation has continued as I try to assess Infinity's alignment.

Now you are peddling that somehow Infinity on Page 2 was trying to get Primate to "do more"? That's doesn't make any sense.

fos: Dgb

[farside22]

Sorry I was going to replay to moi early, got side tracked and read dgb entrance.

Anyways to moi, I have see votes during page 2 for pressure before, I'm not sure why you find that incredulous.
I only recall that Infinity voted, you called the vote bad, Infinity asked why and Infinity stated he wanted to see more from Primate.
So I'm not really seeing your prospective.
Another question for you, are you in a bad mood?

[farside22]

/confirm

I hope I don't get lynched this game~

Only scum is worried only about the lynch

Townies have to worry about the NK

LOL

Nice scum claim

lol

someone broke their "post restriction"

I can see why this swwot needed repwacement this is annoying

Actually, according to him the mod told him he could stop. He prob replaced out 'cause its a scum slot and he had to start doing stuff.

I think today should deff be a PEP/DGB lynch. Could

KINDA

see Farside as scum with DGB over the way she was freaking out over me pushing DPR. But the heads of Sword are posting it up all over the site and thats a p common scumtell so eh...

Mountain = molehill

Didn't freak out.

And after that I have nothing nice to say so Nero goes on my ignore post. Unless you want to explain why asking questions is freaking out in your world?

[farside22]

You know what scum say to me when they get tired of me pushing them? "I'm ignoring you!"

But even then I'm not even pushing on you that hard so why are you overreating here? I'm just pointing out the obvious connection between you and the DPRslot.

I mean, I think the DPRslot is pretty clearly scum and should they flip scum why do you think I should ignore you OBVIOUSLY trying to get me to focus on PEP and not DPR? I'm also agreeing with MOI that I think you asking MOI why he doesn't think Primate deserves pressure is bals.

Why are you FOSing DGB?

No you keep making things out that aren't there. If you are going to keep making things bigger then they are, you are not worth paying attention to.
Please explain how I was trying to get you to ignore anyone.
Can you only ask questions or something?
If that is the case please let me know and I won't bother you any more with my inquiries.

[farside22]

What I see using quotes.
A back and forth question and answer section.
I made a comment, Nero ask me to explain and now apparently I'm trying to do something scummy because of that conversation.
If that isn't making something big into nothing, then I have no other words for it.

My logic is fairly simple so not sure why you are having a hard time. Have you tried thinking or you know...just asking me?

Why are you making mountains out of molehills?

Which molehill am I making?

You're points against rach, your comments about dpr, which is just omgus.
Ithe just comes across as trying too hard to me.

Which molehill am I making?

You're points against rach, your comments about dpr, which is just omgus.
Ithe just comes across as trying too hard to me.

*shrugz*

I was doing what I needed to do (or atleast what I felt was a good idea) to get a read on Massive. Rach light pushing me for "pushing a wagon on someone I didn't have a scum read on" seems like real easy and something I could see scum pushing. I also felt like she was being massively dense for not thinking we could have a SK in this game and I felt pretty misrepped in 91.

DPR hasn't done anything but push town and agree with others and IIOA so no if you want to cry OMGUS fine but I don't see the town motivation.

He found you scummy and agreed with MoI.

The horror.

Primate had basically said hi and been too busy to post.

this guy is far scummier the dpr in my view.

I'm just not sure why your attack one person harder then the person saying you should be held responsible for a massive lynch.

[farside22]

And I see Nero just avoided my counter point and created a new argument.

So ignore it is.

Dgb: if there is no penalties to using the post restriction, why not just post normally?
Why the vote on primate?

[farside22]

Dgb: if there is no penalties to using the post restriction, why not just post normally?
Why the vote on primate?

I imagine an eventuwal modkiww?

Even my rowe pm was a nightmawe to wead.

I voted Pwimate for luwking.

Have you asked the mod?
Currently your voting yourself, why do you care if your modkilled?

[farside22]

Currently your voting yourself, why do you care if your modkilled?

I don't cawe I suppose

I was thinking maybe just bweak the westriction untiw I am modkiwed?

Wouwd you want me to bweak the westriction untiw modkilled?

Well you voted yourself and said you can't stand posting with the restriction.
Reads like you don't want to try and die.

[farside22]

Read this page and I see dgb twisted a question I asked into something I didn't say.
My fos stands there.
Just waiting to see if Primate says anything exciting or not.

[farside22]

I think fawside may be scum

She doesn't cawe about figuwing out my awignment

Onwy getting one townie out of the way

I don't read it that way. Wouldn't be as blatant as town.

Still think moi is scum

How's this read percolating?

Under more reading Farside has lost that fuzzy feeling but I still feel her actions are from a town perspective.

MoI so far has pushed some flimsy thoughts that read as a stretch to me. I also got a scum tell from him when I asked him a question and he goes on the defensive and starts attacking all in the same post.

I'm not seeing the town read from dgb.
She self votes and then states concern about a modkilled in the same breath?
Also the replaced asked if he could stop with the restriction and was told he could, so I'm not sure why dgb is acting like the victim here.

[farside22]

DGB’s entrance at first glance looks very structured to my eye. Literally she manages to hit the following “Look I’m Town” points in that initial string of posts.

1. Self-Voting (which Massive has shown to come from Town) with a healthy sprinkling of “Woe is me” throw in.
2. “Oops the person I claimed scum via secret scum tell actually flipped Town – I must be Town for not knowing she died”. Ranger tried this exact maneuver in Open 633 – ( see post 1159 in this thread http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7868241 ).
3. Jokingly calling Farside her “scum-buddy”.

On another note I think the post restriction is completely made up. DGB missed it for at least 4 posts in here initial salvo and then suddenly remembers in 274. I didn’t really buy it when Roberts floated in an out of it during the start of today .

I don't cawe I suppose

I was thinking maybe just bweak the westriction untiw I am modkiwed?

Wouwd you want me to bweak the westriction untiw modkilled?

This makes no sense. If you are VT as you claim then Roberts had no reason to lie about the Mod lifting his post restriction. In fact you should be able to have him do the same for you. Yet you spin it off as a reason for frustration.

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I’m also struggling with Farside’s alignment. Set-up spec says that she’s very likely Town but her approach doesn’t feel exceeding Town to me. The constant refrain with Nero of “You are making mountains out of molehills” feels like subtle undermining. I also don’t like her attempts to misrep my position on Infinity vis-a-vie Primate.

Anyways to moi, I have see votes during page 2 for pressure before, I'm not sure why you find that incredulous.
I only recall that Infinity voted, you called the vote bad, Infinity asked why and Infinity stated he wanted to see more from Primate.
So I'm not really seeing your prospective.
Another question for you, are you in a bad mood?

You are dancing around the issue at hand with this – you were claiming that Infinity’s initial response was an attempt to get Primate to “do more”. That’s clearly not the case given Infinity’s own response to me revolved around he was looking for a Town or Scum response not to get him to “do more”. And here you say “Well, I’ve seen Page 2 pressure before” which is not a part of the discussion.

Of course Page 2 votes can be pressure. Any vote is inherently pressure.

Again – why did you attempt to frame my stance in a way that looks like trying to link me to another player when clearly what you claimed was not what I was saying.

Read this page and I see dgb twisted a question I asked into something I didn't say.
My fos stands there.

Um so to be clear – you find DGB to be scummy for twisting postions in an effort to paint you as scummy? Because that’s exactly what you are doing with your twisting of my position on Primate.

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I don't like MoI's initial comments in 170. He's reading people as scum for acting as if they know other people are town...but that almost seems like it has to come from the mindset of somebody who does know the alignments to even form that case.

So just to be clear – you don’t find Peter’s “We’ll lynch you for lynching Massive” before Massive flipped isn’t a sign of someone possibly leaking informed minority knowledge?

I don't know smart's meta, but I'm willing to bet SoD is scum right now based on Ari's.

Enlightment me on your meta on Ari. I’ve played exactly one game with him (well, technically about .5 games since he replaced in ) and he was a useless lurksack there and Town. Does he traditionally lurk as scum and generally not as Town?

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<3 Magna but I don't really agree with him today.

Can you maybe elaborate on what specifically you don’t agree with? That would be helpful.

after that post he makes a comment that he thinks DPR is clearly scum but still wants to lynch PEP? But he hasn't really put anything else forward on DPR/DGB, so why is that read stronger than it was earlier in the day?

This frankly stinks. It rests on the premise that Nero can only have one scum read.

Clearly that isn’t the case.

Primate – why do you somehow think that Nero shouldn’t, as Town, have multiple scum reads all of which he would want lynched?

1) I've learned it's pointless to argue with someone who clearly isn't paying attention and just whipping up a freezy. No cares in the game and I get frustrated and pissy in the end. So yes I'll basically put Nero on ignore.
2) I stated what I saw in the game. Please enlighten me as to why it reads more sinister from iniquity with examples if you think I'm wrong.
3) I'm not tying you to anyone. I'm not twisting a point I even post what I saw in the game between your comments and Infinity.

I agree with you about dgb, she is not this derpy as a player. My votes will be on her in the end.

[farside22]

1) I've learned it's pointless to argue with someone who clearly isn't paying attention and just whipping up a freezy. No cares in the game and I get frustrated and pissy in the end. So yes I'll basically put Nero on ignore.
2) I stated what I saw in the game. Please enlighten me as to why it reads more sinister from iniquity with examples if you think I'm wrong.
3) I'm not tying you to anyone. I'm not twisting a point I even post what I saw in the game between your comments and Infinity.

I agree with you about dgb, she is not this derpy as a player. My votes will be on her in the end.

I don’t think you have a valid point in saying Nero “isn’t paying attention to the game”. He’s as engaged and active as anyone else and has picked up on things that I haven’t seen others comment on (the fact that Roberts didn’t follow his claimed restriction at the start of the today comes to top of mind). If you want to ignore him that’s on you but I don’t see your reasons as being solid.

I’m not exactly sure what point 2 is supposed to even mean. Are you asking why my posts read as more sinister to you? Please clarify.

No, you did twist a point I was making. You asked “Why I thought Primate didn’t deserve pressure” which is in no way, shape or form anything I’ve espoused. Calling Infinity out on his bad reasoning is just that – calling him out in an effort to sort him. You specifically framed the question at me in a way that didn’t reflect my intent in the conversation. The fact that you are being a hypocrite isn’t inherently alignment indicative (Town can be the worst on this end as can scum) but I frankly expect better from you given how long you’ve been playing this game.

1) if you haven't noticed he is creating things that aren't there. I made a point of clarifying this and he completely ignored it and started ranting. If you call that paying attention then I'll beg to differ.
2) as I said before about your view on Infinity it seemed more framed as scumulative motivated without a pause. I can expand on this further Thursday if you want but it can't be sooner then that.

[farside22]

I really enjoy someone telling MOI that

I'm

creating things that aren't there when

she's

the one that has claimed Moi was against putting pressure on Primate, that I ever said anything about her trying to get me to ignore a player. None of those are true.

I'd like to see you present a quote where I said MOI was against pressure on Primate with those exact words.

I dare you.

[farside22]

I really enjoy someone telling MOI that

I'm

creating things that aren't there when

she's

the one that has claimed Moi was against putting pressure on Primate, that I ever said anything about her trying to get me to ignore a player. None of those are true.

Moi: is there a reason you think Primate doesn't deserve pressure?

As I said creating something that isn't there.
I'll be happy to keep doing this till you get the point but I seriously, seriously doubt you will.

[farside22]

Back to MOI.
My orginal question came because of what you said here

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I think town!primate was more likely to question why I said it was scum rather than just say nope. Obviously it's a weak read.

Why do you think Town Primate should give two cents about a page 2 naked “This is scum” statement? I’m deadly serious on this. If Primate is Town he knows you have absolutely no role information that is coloring that claim so it looks like, at best, a crappy reaction test. Scum tend to be more jumpy about being called out for non-transparent reasons.

No, I have never seen fate or faraday as scum. However I have read a shit ton of games and never seen scum fake posting whatever they're thinking so yeah.

If you have read as many games as you are claiming here I highly doubt you haven’t come across a single player whose play-style is free-wheeling.

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Could the vig have been usable in daytime too? I'm thinking maybe

Might be the diff between a dead town dayvig... and daykiwwing scum that's stiww awive.

As I mentioned in my quick V/LA these posts are a suspect.

@DPR

– what about Rach’s posting makes you consider this at all?

I just thought you were pretty much beating a dead horse on the subject at this point in the game.
That said I found something interesting in my reread in regards to infinity, but it will have to wait till later.

[farside22]

VOTE: Dgb

I wish I had someone with some sort of back and forth with that didn't get into argument.

I could see a farside/DGB team.

Pewfect

I'm bus'ing fawside

Hewp me!

I mean if no one here see'some this asite a desperate attempt to lynch a town pr, I think mafia scum is doomed.

I had higher hopes when I returned to this site for players.

@sword: I think Nero is derpy town. There is moments he has I go yeah but and then just shrug at.

[farside22]

God I hate the auto correct on my phone.
One day I'll care enough to pay attention.

[farside22]

Okay, I'm finally back!

210 feels a bit overblown and I don't see the MoI and Nero reads. Farside's interactions in 215 and 218 seem like trying to look busy, trying to sell Nero on Peter when he was already voting him.

228 seems like a typical newbie reaction; he's understandably confused about why Nero would want to wagon massive but not want to lynch him. I think it's towny if anything. I also like how he admits in 244 that what he's saying sounds like an excuse not to contribute. (Unless it is an excuse )

I agree with 252, though I think it's likely the daykill was 1-shot.

MoI's comments to Peter in 255 sound a little fake but I like his responses to Infinity.

I don't like the way shaddow is doubtcasting Infinity in 267. That's a decent assessment of the DPR slot, though.

@farside: what is your read on Nero?

Same question to DGB.

It's ironic how Primate calls us hedgy while posting 310. I don't like 319 either.

I could see a farside/DGB team.

328 makes some good points, though I don't agree with 329.

I haven't liked most of DGB's posts but I actually like 336.

@Infinity: why do you think the PR can't be made up?

So I have decent townreads on MoI, Peter and Nero.

I don't want to lynch Infinity or farside yet because of their claims.

Leaving <shaddow, DGB, Primate>. I still don't like the way shaddow was (and still is) doubtcasting Infinity and treating his claim as NAI. I kind of want to see more content from all three though.

I'll discuss with Ari and decide where we want to vote.

-smart

While I'm half thinking, is there a reason you don't want to know why a player was lynched with 4 votes?
You called it overblown but I was hoping the mod would explain since the game isn't bast ardent.

[farside22]

Aren't we still doing the not-voting thing?

Anyway I support a DGB wagon.

I figure no one else cared since 2 other players voted.
I held back till now since I have 2 votes.

Someone should ask dgb how often she see's scum DVD.
19 to 1 she'Lloyd make something up.

[farside22]

Aren't we still doing the not-voting thing?

Anyway I support a DGB wagon.

I figure no one else cared since 2 other players voted.
I held back till now since I have 2 votes.

Someone should ask dgb how often she see's scum DV..
19 to 1 she will make something up.

Fixed

[farside22]

When has a mod EVER explained why an action happened in a game that wasn't a mod error? Far is playing too stupid to be town.

I didn't say it was a mod error.

It doesn't hurt to ask.

Mountain=molehill

[farside22]

oh doubwe votew

yeah i guess not

so i guess fawside is just playing shitty

Should I bother pointing out that dgb entrance showed her reading the game and suddenly doesn't know what public role has been discussed at all or am I just wasting space?

[farside22]

I never said you said it was a mod error. I said he's not going to explain something that happened in the game that's NOT a mod error. Your obvious inability to read this game is pretty obviously scum motivated but you prob won't get lynched 'cause everyones "oh a DV can't be scum!"

We already know DGB is scum, stop trying to look busy Far.

When this game is over I'm going to have a few choice words some which include words like over reactive, complaining, irrational and annoying alone with black listed.

Or you know you could do research about me and see many time I've admitted to ADD moments.


Actually what I said here is in a nutshell all that is necessary and something I'll quote when I flip town and again at end of the game.

[farside22]

Your obvious inability to read this game is pretty obviously scum motivated

Can we start using actual scumtells thanks

I'm curious what you thought of Primate.
You had this scum tell because of page 2 and then said really nothing about him.

I thought his views were fine, nothing exciting, but nothing scummy.
I read him as pretty relaxed

[farside22]

lets just say you are town, your game has been beyond poor Far but I think you are pretty likely to be scum here with the way you tried to get me off off DPR and onto PEP (this is when you thought I was voting DPR)

but I've already solved the game

It's page 16. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Why are you townreading Far?

Again I asked about your scum read on the player, thought you were voting for him for said reason
You also have PEP as a scum read so you want to sit there and say I was pushing one scum buddy over another then I can't take anything you say seriously.

[farside22]

mine is the opposite. Like I was noting the connection with DPR and then she was all the sudden "I'M IGNORING YOU!"

Like WTF?!?

I think a scum DV is very possible.

Honestly I just wrote her off as town when she claimed dv cause it fit my gut read

Scum don't usually like to throw fits unless they're about to be lynched so yeah

Scum dv is possible but not likely

It's doesn't hurt that my prospective of the "connection" was way different but everytime I explain anything to Nero all I see is him making the same point over and over and making a simple conversation into me "freeking" very over the top From my POV.
No one ask me though.

[farside22]

Maybe if you gave me a good reason other than "playing bad" and "not reading".

I'm kinda being lazy right now but I have a solid gut townread on farside + the claim.

He'said just going to bring up the same thing he has already.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

/confirm

I hope I don't get lynched this game~

Only scum is worried only about the lynch

Townies have to worry about the NK

LOL

Nice scum claim

lol

someone broke their "post restriction"

I can see why this swwot needed repwacement this is annoying

Actually, according to him the mod told him he could stop. He prob replaced out 'cause its a scum slot and he had to start doing stuff.

I think today should deff be a PEP/DGB lynch. Could

KINDA

see Farside as scum with DGB over the way she was freaking out over me pushing DPR. But the heads of Sword are posting it up all over the site and thats a p common scumtell so eh...

You know what scum say to me when they get tired of me pushing them? "I'm ignoring you!"

But even then I'm not even pushing on you that hard so why are you overreating here? I'm just pointing out the obvious connection between you and the DPRslot.

I mean, I think the DPRslot is pretty clearly scum and should they flip scum why do you think I should ignore you OBVIOUSLY trying to get me to focus on PEP and not DPR? I'm also agreeing with MOI that I think you asking MOI why he doesn't think Primate deserves pressure is bals.

Why are you FOSing DGB?

DPR did shit day 1. You are free to claim it was OMGUS that be weary of the guy pushing on me for reasons that didn't quite make sense but news flash: scum have to push on someone so its not like an OMGUS read can't be right. And his nonsensical posting and replace out in the face of pressure prob means its a scum slot.

Tell me what did you like from DPR on day 1?

You have a clear connection with the DPR slot, if they flip scum why should I ignore that?

What did you FOS DGB for?

Infinity here is the highlight from Nero's issues with me.

[farside22]

/confirm

I hope I don't get lynched this game~

Only scum is worried only about the lynch

Townies have to worry about the NK

LOL

Nice scum claim

lol

someone broke their "post restriction"

I can see why this swwot needed repwacement this is annoying

Actually, according to him the mod told him he could stop. He prob replaced out 'cause its a scum slot and he had to start doing stuff.

I think today should deff be a PEP/DGB lynch. Could

KINDA

see Farside as scum with DGB over the way she was freaking out over me pushing DPR. But the heads of Sword are posting it up all over the site and thats a p common scumtell so eh...

Mountain = molehill

Didn't freak out.

And after that I have nothing nice to say so Nero goes on my ignore post. Unless you want to explain why asking questions is freaking out in your world?

Instead of snipping quotes let's show the whole thing, shall we.

[farside22]

I don't think it's scummy to try to get someone to vote someone who you think is scummier than the player they're voting.

If DGB is town it's NAI for sure, and I think it's even too obvious if they're buddies

Sorry but don't expect me to be convinced by your case.

I just put Nero on ignore because hes being irrational. I know I said this before

Anyways, who are your prime scum suspects besides dgb?

[farside22]

Farside, what do you think about sword?

PEdit: It's not impossible but it's a bit obvious and it's also pre-flip associatives.

I think sword is town.
At first I wasn't sure but on reread I see lots of views from them and I see them thinking things through.

Right now I'm leaning on dgb, pep and one of sword or moi.
I know, I know I keep going back and forth on this but everytime I talk to someone I start reviewing and reanalysisng and reassessing.

[farside22]

I think it would be better if you guys stopped talking to each other for the time being.

I'm fine with that.

[farside22]

Farside, what do you think about sword?

PEdit: It's not impossible but it's a bit obvious and it's also pre-flip associatives.

I think sword is town.
At first I wasn't sure but on reread I see lots of views from them and I see them thinking things through.

Right now I'm leaning on dgb, pep and one of sword or moi.
I know, I know I keep going back and forth on this but everytime I talk to someone I start reviewing and reanalysisng and reassessing.

So you're town reading

and

scum reading Sword? Just want to make sure I'm reading that right.

I don't like MoI's initial comments in 170. He's reading people as scum for acting as if they know other people are town...but that almost seems like it has to come from the mindset of somebody who does know the alignments to even form that case.

So just to be clear – you don’t find Peter’s “We’ll lynch you for lynching Massive” before Massive flipped isn’t a sign of someone possibly leaking informed minority knowledge?

Somebody was leading a wagon, and PEP said "If he's town". While that could be faked from scum, saying that he's doing it from a scum POV actually sounds more like you're framing him ahead of time.

I don't know smart's meta, but I'm willing to bet SoD is scum right now based on Ari's.

Enlightment me on your meta on Ari. I’ve played exactly one game with him (well, technically about .5 games since he replaced in ) and he was a useless lurksack there and Town. Does he traditionally lurk as scum and generally not as Town?

I can't recall if I've seen him as town, but I've caught him as scum multiple times based on his meta. He lurks, come in and posts a few wall posts in one shot, promises to come back to things, then never does and lurks again. Considering smart was V/LA and Ari is living up to it, I'm actually willing to put my vote there for now.

VOTE: Sword

Shadow not sword.
I shouldn't post till I get a decent amount of sleep

[farside22]

VOTE: DGB

Frankly I’ve seen enough to be satisfied with my initial gut read. Posts like 336 feel like trying to be casual Town but there isn’t any substance to her posting. At this point I have no clue who she thinks is scum … she’s backed off both scum reads on Infinity and Farside and the only other player she’s called scum already flipped Town before she replaced in.

She’s paid no attention to Peter or Shadow which makes sense to me as those are pretty strong possible partners for her in my mind.

No surprise but Peter hasn’t shown up again with any actual content. And Shadow dropped a single post and disappeared again.

The Appeal to Fear at 374 also plays into my actively voting her.

--

Now that the game has ended on the issue of Scum DoubleVoters I will direct you to the discussion on this page between myself and Travelling Salesman (specifically the Plot head) on the matter –

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7969079

The take-away is as follows

1. Scum Doublevoters, while rare, do exist.
2. Many of the examples given were SmallTown games which are a different breed of game.
3. For a Scum Doublevoter to exist there needs to be significant Town power.

My assessment there is the same as it is here – it is very unlikely that we have a scum Doublevoter and while farside is an easier read than Javajoe I’m going to lean on the role as Town until such time as I see evidence that Town has the overwhelming power needed to justify a Scum Doublevoter (especially with some sort of scum role that resulted in the short Day 1). As it stands with 1 VT flip and a 1-Shot Vig in the pool I don’t feel that it is likely at all.

So Nero – please stop the sniping at Farside for today at least please.

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1) if you haven't noticed he is creating things that aren't there. I made a point of clarifying this and he completely ignored it and started ranting. If you call that paying attention then I'll beg to differ.

I don’t even know what you are trying to say here. Mafia is a game about finding the little clues that betray the scum in their posting. You keep dismissing things Nero is saying as “Stop making Mountains out of Molehills” which is at best counter-productive if you are both Town. If you want to explain why something isn’t alignment indicative when he thinks it is that would be helpful. But just saying “Stop inventing stuff” is not useful to establishing understanding between the two of you (and, frankly, for people outside you two to assess your interactions and alignments).

I'm not sure how you think I can just tell someone it NAI.
I just thought for a moment if I posted how I saw the progress of the discussion he'd discuss his view, bit instead he's repeated himself adnasium.
I just feel ignoring him is best.

[farside22]

Ok farside is town for having the exact same scum pile as me

Hey and I'm half asleep too.


Sorry I'm having some tough days so I'll get some better thoughts out tomorrow hopefully.

[farside22]

I'd rather chat then read to be frank right now.
Someone kick me if I don't get in here by Saturday and do something that explains my reads better.

[farside22]

What do you think about smart's recent posts, I liked them

I'll respond to this shortly (assuming I don't get slammed at work again)

I'd rather chat then read to be frank right now.
Someone kick me if I don't get in here by Saturday and do something that explains my reads better.

I'm interested in why you think Sword is town.

I already explained this.

I THINK that I am voteless today but I can try again

vote:DGB

Yeah, I suspected the possibility of vote stealing Day 1. Confirming you being voteless means that Farside is likely a Vote Stealer not a Double Voter.

While Vote Stealers can certainly be Town the large Town read I was giving her was based specifically on a Double Voter.

I had 2 votes on day 1 and I'm a double voter.
Hey even Nero pointed out no votes missing.

[farside22]

Somehow, I don't think it is in this case...

It's not and thus far she has rebutted nothing except meta towards moi.

[farside22]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for usual family weekend duties.

At this point I think continuing to comment on DGB’s individual posts isn’t worth the time. Anyone who has played with her knows Town DGB doesn’t rage like this. It’s manufactured to hit the current site meta of “Town AtEs, scum doesn’t” and to escape lynch.

I also eagerly await Wingback’s input given my read on his slot predecessor.

@Farside

– did you just forget about the “Oh I saw something in my re-read but it will have to do later” you mentioned earlier?

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Ok I'm even more ok with a DGB lynch

So you are waiting for more input from Wingback? You’ve been explaining that you agree with a lynch on DGB but aren’t actually doing anything to forward the momentum on it.

Yeah, I'm sorry I can't do it tonight, I'll try to but Saturday morning will be better, thanks for the reminder.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

Wow you're sassy MoI lol

This is RVS, that's how I play it lol.

MoI you're going to have to explain why you called me out for a bad vote on page 2 lol

Yeah nero is town, he never said random stupid stuff like he's saying now in gunslingers (a recent completed game I played with nero scum)

Why do you think being dense is scummy nero?

Ok it's true scum know now not to NK me, didn't think about that. But the chances to hit a PR don't increase by that much. I guess we don't know how many PRs there are...

What nero said is true, I also just wanted to have something to discuss and get the game going.

I think nero is town, he's already showing a different tone from gunslingers.

So far I scumread primate and leon.

VOTE: primate

Town lean on DPR.

Was about to post this yesterday:

MoI can you chill on the criticizing others' play?

MoI you're going to have to explain why you called me out for a bad vote on page 2 lol

Because I can. As you said – “it is RVS I will play like I want”.

That said – your reasoning is pure garbage. You tossing a naked “Scum” assessment on someone on Page 2 and having it met with a “Nope” is not indicative of a scum reaction. Sorry to burst your bubble but it isn’t. Primate gave you a completely appropriate level of response. It isn’t “touchy” or an overreaction. It is meeting fluff with fluff. Which is clearly NAI.

I think town!primate was more likely to question why I said it was scum rather than just say nope. Obviously it's a weak read.

Why are you so worried about me calling your page 2 reasoning bad? I mean it is but I would not find it alignment indicative.

I wanted you to explain you calling my vote bad because it may have been a way to look busy. This post looks like you're actually trying to analyze stuff which is good.

I actually have never seen a scum player who looks like he's saying everything that comes to his mind, and that's the feeling I get from nero.

For someone who has your join date this is awfully bad. Have you never read a single game with someone like Fate or Faraday as scum?

No, I have never seen fate or faraday as scum. However I have read a shit ton of games and never seen scum fake posting whatever they're thinking so yeah.

Nero can I move my vote now? Cause I kinda wanna based on that ^

I think Nero is probably town. I've never seen him as town before but I believe Rach and he does seem to be open and uncaring.
I don't know how I feel about Rach poking him and then declaring him town and then moving on. 108 also feels kinda awkward.
I don't like recent posting from Leon or Peter, either.
-smart

Still don't like this post

VOTE: sword

you don't agree he needs to start doing things?

I don't agree you should scumread him for it. His thought processes have looked towny to me.

All DPR has done this whole game is argue that I am playing differently then some other game and then agree with you and MOI about stuff. And his 202 is useless IIOA so I'm not really seeing this townie thought process.

Well I looked back at his ISO and didn't find much

I guess it's a gut read

The 2-3 scum are here.

Peter Elric Pines
DrippingGoofball
Sword of Damocles (Aristophanes + Something_Smart)
farside22

You think scum have a doublevoter?

Throw shaddowez in there too.

A newbie loses his vote each time Infinity and Aristophanes post elsewhere on the site.

Sorry lol

I won't.

Be very suprised if infinity is scum.

DBG may be overplaying the inconvenience of the pr for sympathy points if dpr genuinely got confirmation that he could stop doing it. I'm leaning town on that slot, partially because the role claim and replacement thing is fine, partially behaviour, mostly dpr's.

I don't have a read on PEP. I think his position of focusing on Nero is fine, and I get why you might find him scummy, but the kind of tells I'm picking up from him are ones that newbies also drop. I'd like to see more from him that's proactive, but pot calling the kettle black on that, and he'll have to provide something soon, so there's no point judging based on that.

I don't know Shadow's meta but that big catchup post looks legit.

Fos: Sword Of Damocles

Hedgy.

Farside seems town.
Scum vibes from nero.
<3 Magna but I don't really agree with him today.

I like this post but scum can make good posts too

Sure. TBH I think that the happenings around the replacement speak to you probably being town but that's not really something we can discuss and could just be a red herring.

It was mostly the fact that you said you were willing to risk modkill because the pr was that oppressive. I get this one is a bit uncreative, but it could be worse if you did get it. Not that I've played with you in ages, but I remember you being game for pr stuff.

Ok this is too nitpicky to be scum I think

MoI so far has pushed some flimsy thoughts that read as a stretch to me. I also got a scum tell from him when I asked him a question and he goes on the defensive and starts attacking all in the same post.

Don't see how any of this is AI

I'm not seeing the town read from dgb.
She self votes and then states concern about a modkilled in the same breath?
Also the replaced asked if he could stop with the restriction and was told he could, so I'm not sure why dgb is acting like the victim here.

You have a point here...

I'm having trouble distinguishing between bad town and scum.

protip: Bad play isn't a scumtell.

DGB’s entrance at first glance looks very structured to my eye. Literally she manages to hit the following “Look I’m Town” points in that initial string of posts.

1. Self-Voting (which Massive has shown to come from Town) with a healthy sprinkling of “Woe is me” throw in.
2. “Oops the person I claimed scum via secret scum tell actually flipped Town – I must be Town for not knowing she died”. Ranger tried this exact maneuver in Open 633 – ( see post 1159 in this thread http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7868241 ).
3. Jokingly calling Farside her “scum-buddy”.

This is a good point too...

On another note I think the post restriction is completely made up.

But this....no.

^ I was the one that said that

Nvm about this. Though I will say "beating a dead horse" isn't really a scumtell

Aren't we still doing the not-voting thing?

Anyway I support a DGB wagon.

Farside, what do you think about sword?

PEdit: It's not impossible but it's a bit obvious and it's also pre-flip associatives.

Town: Me, nero, farside, MoI
Mehh town: sword, primate
Mehh scum: DGB, shadow
Scum: PEP

MoI this is for you, I hope it makes sense.

A few things I noted at first was Infinity came across as awkward.
I also noted a few discrepancies that didn't make much sense.
1 his vote on Primate but he says he found some else scummier but didn't switch, his defense of the player dgb replaced, multiple times.
Somethings he repeated, which just reads as filler.
The comments about Primate was pro and con.
Weak push on sword and ask me about sword and changes his views after.
The last thing I quoted he has PEP as scum but wasn't voting the dude at the time.
All those little things just come off as scummy.

[farside22]

@ Infinity

Since your probably town for getting yourself modkilled over this

I want you to typ 100 times "meta is rubbish" in the deat PT

No copy pasting

Reference ongoing games is now a mod kill offense?
Since when?

[farside22]

Talking about on going games has been a modkillable offense forever. Farside is laying on the "LOOK AT ME I'M A VI!" a little think. I guess if she's town then she's just a Vi

As a mod I have force replaced a player that has done that.
I know many mods who do force replace so yeah, seeing the mod do so, bite me.

[farside22]

DGB's L-1 responses don't look natural. I'd vote if it wasn't already L-1. Speaking of which, are we confirmed to have a double voter? The VCs have been screwy throughout the game.

It's confirmed from day 1.

*munching on popcorn watching scum theatre take place*

[farside22]

I'd like everyone to answer the following question.

Assuming I'm town... who do you think the scum is, and why?

Nero, shadow. Shadow reads as scum regardless.
I'm doubting the town flip. Too much AtE from you, too much twisting words, too much lack of scum hunting and plenty of flailing.

On page thirteen of my re-read and I should be caught up in an hour or two.

I think DGB is more likely town than not so if someone could do me a favor and take her off of L-1 as a courtesy while I finish, I'd appreciate that. Thanks!

[farside22]

Alright, caught up. I had a mild townread on DPR but DGB is pretty obviously scum. I don't see why she would continue with her post restriction when the mod told DPR that he can stop (Post 245). It's possible she didn't read that post but it was specifically pointed out to her several times by others so it looks more like she's willfully ignoring it for sympathy points. I don't think her read on Farside is genuine considering she calls Farside scum on one hand and tells her to avenge DGB on the other. Also, hate that self-vote. While I don't think it's impossible for town to self-vote, it doesn't make sense in this context. DGB's been in the game for barely a couple of days, hasn't put forth a genuine effort to work with the town and sort reads out, so frustration rising to the level of a self-vote is unlikely. Much more likely scenario, it's an appeal to emotion, and when combined with that fact that part of her frustration for self-voting and not scumhunting is that she has a post restriction (one that she doesn't have to follow), I'm fairly confident this is a scum flip.

Farside and Nero Cain are solidly town. Primate is a decently strong townread as well. Loopdan's eagerness to start contributing to the game reads town and I think the beloved princess claim early is slightly more likely to be town than scum. MoI has been hard to read but I think I'll get a better idea of his alignment if I re-assess after seeing DGB flip. Looking at SoD and Shadow as the most likely DGB partners.

Will hammer DGB once Loopdan catches up.

I found the interaction between dbg/loop more like scum theater. He already knows she thought Infinity was scum? Then calling him town.
He either was reading the game before replacing or read the last 2 pages and still got all button out of shape in an over the top manner.

[farside22]

Why? You were convinced I was scum a couple of pages ago.

You don't think scum!infinity would use an ongoing game as evidence for a scumread?

Where does this say you read stuff?

[farside22]

I've read the first ten pages and the last four. I'll try to get the middle done today and give some reads. You'll have to take them with a grain of salt, as I'm a relatively new player.

I saw this but I thought that's odd why did he say this afterwards, no one questioned it.

[farside22]

I'm really not seeing this "oh Farside couldn't bus DGB!" I think its stupid and farsighted.

I think it's studio to believe a player with 2 votes is scum, but I'm not Nero.

[farside22]

People who anticipate questions tend to be scum who are concerned or self conscious.
Second I said prior to my points to infinity 2 x that I saw something and MOI reminded me, why is my timing suspicious. Do I have a mind reading device that knows that infinity is going to do something like he did?
As for the issue he had, it was null. Why is it worth mentioning?
I have no desire to unvote DGB and will not be doing so.

[farside22]

Massive was Westly, is it possible he is only “mostly dead”

?

Ohhh that would make sense.
-smart

That would be awesome.
I bolded it because if it's in the game I'd like that to happen.

[farside22]

So 2 scum and a sk left with me?
I'm assuming
Best bet for town is lynched scum and cross fingers.
I'm going to check a few things before deciding what is best.

[farside22]

Given we had two kills the last two nights after the vig was dead, it looks like we have a serial killer in the mix. I'm town which means two of you are scum (given it's very likely a 9-2-1 setup).

Thoughts on MoI's partner:

- Can't see it being Farside as she was initially suspicious of MoI which looked like she had paranoia that she was withholding. Further, I think MoI put himself out there to push DGB partly because he had town support from Farside. I have a hard time seeing MoI/Farside scumteam just up and push DGB.

- Can't see it being Primate. MoI got all bent out of shape defending him from Infinity and I need to read MoI scum-meta in more detail but I doubt he'd go out on a limb to defend his partner. It just doesn't fit with his overt bussing/distancing style.

- Pretty much has to be SoD. The interactions with MoI were weird "I agree with this but not with that" while having him as mostly town which fits pretty well with partner to partner interactions.

Thoughts on SK:

- Unlikely to be Farside. She played a strong game and her early push on MoI and later push on DGB were her sticking her neck out which doesn't make much sense to do as SK.

- I don't think it's SoD primarily because I think SoD is mafia but if they weren't, they'd make sense as the SK here. Aristo was lurking whereas Smart's posts seemed very genuine at first glance.

- Primate is the one who fits in best given low activity through the game and under the radar posting, yet looking townlike because he was uninformed. I think he may have suspected MoI given MoI's whiteknighting of him.

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If we lynch one of the scum, I think that's pretty much an autoloss for us in the hands of the remaining scum, so no lynch is our best shot here. It does help to offer opinions though since we want scum to kill other scum and they want to kill other scum too. I'm town and I think Farside is most likely town which leaves us with SoD as mafia and Primate as the SK.

Hmm I thought the defense from moi about Primate was more scum helping scum helping scum buddy.
Need to check sword.

[farside22]

I'm nullish on sword.
So I'm leaning Primate scum and wing or sword as sk currently.
I need to think about balance and don't have a ton of time currently.
I'll be back later today.

[farside22]

<3 Magna but I don't really agree with him today.

This seems like an odd thing to say to a partner and more like something an uninformed player would say if they saw someone supporting them.

Meh I've said something like that to my scum buddy so I'm bias.

[farside22]

Okay break down time.

2 scum, 1sk, 1 town
This is worst case

1 scum, 1 sk, 2 town
This is best case.

I'm mentally breaking things down for.
Okay I thought this through and bel8ev NL is best.

No claiming.

Vote: no lynch

[farside22]

I think this game may have been wildly different if scum didn't execute Massive d1. I think Pep would have prob been the days lynch and we'd still have atleast two more town. Scum may have still won b/c MOI was generally townread but sword prob would have gotten lynched.

I had a scum read on MoI day one and pep, but someone was super sure spammer didn't want to listen and kept making all these little things into non scum tells.

Well in regards to set up, I thought there was one more scum and a sk left when I no lynch, I just thought it was Primate and wing when I did it.

[farside22]

I had a scum read on MoI day one and pep, but someone was super sure spammer didn't want to listen and kept making all these little things into non scum tells.

I know you are all upset and junk (I'm also not the only one that scum read you) but lets be fair. My vote was sitting on PEP at the start of d2 until DGB started being crazy. You also never really pushed MOI and you misrepped the fuck out of him. I also had two of the scum pegged (sword and PEP) but didn't get to push on them since you know, I died after night 2 as where you didn't.

We were also both on DGB so I'm not sure why you blame me for her mislynch.

The other player that scum read me was scum and dgb whom took my question completely out of context.
As for moi it's a bit hard to push a player with a quick lynch on day 1.
But what do I know, I certainly never made really rude remarks that were insulting your intelligence.
I don't see how I misrepped moi.
I blame you for being impossible to deal with.
I blame dgb for being dgb.

[farside22]

Well, I was scumreading MoI too and thought Farside was obvtown. Granted, I doubt I would have been able to push a lynch on him given how bad my slot looked, but I wasn't going to try when I was a serial killer. Because on the chance I get lynched instead, it would have been easy for MoI to go "lol, he was scum, ignore him."

Good job replacing.
You got lucky with all the heated arguments going on.

On a side note I thought the game was balanced just fine.