Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Infinity 324]

Cause it gives scum an extra day to prepare their claims?

I guess you're right but it shouldn't be a big deal

[Raskolnikov]

p.s. about 80% done what I'm doing atm, will probably finish it tomorrow morning. Last time it failed because of setup spec mistakes but this time..

[Raskolnikov]

Cause it gives scum an extra day to prepare their claims?

I guess you're right but it shouldn't be a big deal

Best way is to spring it and immediately popcorn, so even daytalk mafia gets no time to react. This early on d2 it'll be days remaining of d2 plus night plus d3 in best case scenario.
Also posing it as a hypothetical makes it happen slowly as people discuss and its less likely to happen at all vs strongarming. But even if it never happens people can pr hunt based on just the discussion of it...

[Infinity 324]

I ISOd jarjar, and he still looks town to me. His pushes on LQ and maria look organic and look like he's attacking players that look scummy to him as opposed to him finding reasons to call people scum. Also I found this:

I will reread Naomi cause I may have been a little lazy rereading her ISO since she's been a top townread for so long.

I reread and still townread Naomi.

which is a common town sentiment and something scum wouldn't really have a reason to post.

PEdit: fair enough

[Raskolnikov]

DGB if you don't have time to do anything else I want your top scumread (slan? jarjar?) thoroughly explained.

[Infinity 324]

Slandaar could be scum, my gut says he's town but picking on small things and not explaining reads in depth is a pretty convenient playstyle for scum.

I keep getting lynched everywhere lately

It has made playing mafia super boring

You were not lynched here
You were also not lynched here

I haven't bothered to look at any other games because there isn't much point other than to show you are greatly exaggerating you probably were lynched once or twice. If we look at this game and compare the two to here there is a difference in how you have played. Is it because you're scum? I think so yes.

You haven't posted anything of worth here at all. I can normally tell when you're town but I really don't think you are here. I suspected you way before I started pushing you yesterday to give you every chance to convince me otherwise but you didn't.

If you're not scum I suggest you go back and answer the questions I directed at you. You should probably just do that as scum too.

This feels towny to me though.

[Marquis]

VOTECOUNT 2.04

+2

DrippingGoofball

— JarJarDrinks, LicketyQuickety
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Fire Assassin

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hiplop

— Infinity 324
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Infinity 324

— Fire Assassin, hiplop
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JarJarDrinks

— DrippingGoofball
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LicketyQuickety

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Manuel87

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MariaR

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Raskolnikov

— Vedith
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Slandaar

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Vedith

(repl. kraska77) —

+4

NOT VOTING

— Manuel87, Raskolnikov, Slandaar, MariaR

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-08-31 14:00:00)

(Wed Aug 31 @ 2:00 PM EST)

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Awaiting prod responses from: N/A
Searching for replacements for: N/A

[hiplop]

DGB, what's your read on hiplop slot?

The one thing I don't like, and I don't like it at all, is the unfulfilled promise of a catch up read.

lazy

[Infinity 324]

Why did you point out maria's vote but ignore mine?

[LicketyQuickety]

Hiplop still hasn't given me a reason to Town read them, still waiting on the reread with something. That vote on Manuel was sketchy as well.

[Manuel87]

I'm a 1-shot watcher

Only works on a specific night

Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

She probably just forgot, it's NAI anyway

Watcher claim is enough reason to leave her alive for a day imo. Watcher is a super powerful role. If she doesn't get a result and she doesn't give us a reason to make us think she's town by tomorrow, we can lynch her then. Thoughts?

If she forgot it is not NAI. Scum would know what setup we have if they make a fake claim so they dont scumslip.
I guess this is scum that uses the fact that we misslynched a PR after his claim and now feel uneasy to do the same again.
That being said we can wait for her read tomorrow but i think in this setup PR claims are just to easy to fake as we dont even know how many there are.

Fire Assassin can you give us your reads? Because you called Infinitys scumreads fake or horseshit so i guess you disagree on them right?

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh, that's interesting

rb is town I think

Now vote manuel, we need to make the page 2 quicklynch happen

Lynch this

I don't think scum would go through that much effort to fake trying to read people this early on. I could be wrong though.

Do you have any reads yourself?

Asking for reads... on page 2.

I read as sleepy.. but thats not helpful.. I guess I think your trying at least? which I guess is a slight indication but its hard to make any clear calls so early on.. Im not really sure what to make of RB the paranoid part of me wants to suspect him, but the part of me that feels it was honest doesn't.. I guess being half asleep makes it harder to be certain.

Hmm, do you usually act this...uncertain?

Don't like the progression here.

What do you think about naomi

Asking Ari for their read on Naomi. Not getting that.

VOTE: NaomiTan

The vote on Naomi could be telling here?

Oooh lots of stuff.

Rask is gut town for now. Same with DGB

I feel like aristo could be scum, I think scum could come up with that naomi read explanation if pressured on it. I feel like it was slightly overdone for how weak the townread was.

Naomi was bleh and I don't like how she asked rem to unvote. She could be a nervous town though

Also manuel throwing shade and not adding anything useful is bleh. Though it could be town paranoia.

rem could be scum for the townslip right after the discussion about faking townslips, though that would be pretty bold...so still null..

Aristo what do you think about manuel?

VOTE: naomi

It will be interesting to try to pressure-read naomi given her personality

Votes naomi just after DGB. Could be Scum together???

Hmm I actually think naomi is town. I wouldn't expect scum in her position to be this transparent, I would expect them to AtE their way into hiding their motivations.

Back to this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: manuel

Reads manuel?

AFAICT manual hasn't done anything AI up to this point.

rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

More asking about stuff that just looks like shade on whoever rb says. Its like free shade cuz you can't really get pinned for it and I can't put that past Infinity.

Just FYI, Infinity there was never an actual bandwagon on me (In that game or my newbie game) so I didn't have to defend myself like I do here. Maybe that's why i'm giving off ''very different vibes''.

Not sure what to make of this or why I quoted it. Reads a little fake I guess?

Naomis at least being consistent with the value on activity/pressure. The unprompted readlist and effort to advance the game is a good sign.

@Manuel I'm not townreading her

Like this given the flip.

OK I like Naomi-Tan for now even though the read list has a lot of fence-sitting.

UNVOTE:

Unvotes after Infinity *eyebrows*

I forgot why I was scumreading IPS tbh.

VOTE: Sladaar for reading 7 pages and not having much to add.

7 pages is nothing. Either just not getting that or... something..

Because all reasoning at this point is going to be weak, since there isn't much to go on.

VOTE: Infinity

Just nope.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Distancing here looks unlikely, but infinity ends up looking a lot worse here.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

Just pointing out that this reads particularly Townie to me.

@IPS reads?

Town: rb, you.

Scum: Infinity, Rem, LQ

Null: Everybody else (who are either aren't posting or aren't posting anything of note)

I'll be happy to explain any if these if asked.

I disagree with 2 of there scum picks :I

Hmm, you said you were voting me for pressure, but you never said you had a scumread on me, can you explain that?

Also, why rem?

You're a weaker scumread but I don't like how you voted me without a reason, and then when asked to explain you posted an ISO from a game from like 2 months ago that I only played in for a few IRL days and claimed I was ''giving off very different vibes'' This is my first Mafia game in a while and styles change.

As for Rem, she said I was giving her ''bad vibes'' and then said she

didn't know why

. I don't know about you but I think that seems like scum trying to throw shade on Town without committing to a mislynch wagon.

PEdit: I think Naomi just has no idea what's shes doing. Hard to get a read on.

When there isn't much information to go on using meta data from other games is a good way to determine stuff, this is why I edit all my games into my wiki page so people can look over my meta. given how early on it is and that the first 'real' arrangements are starting to pop up. at the time it would of made more sense to use old meta data.

I really don't buy the 'bad vibes' thing that seems like your shading her rather than her shading you, like bad vibes means your guts are telling you that there scum but there is no real evidence, thats not shading at all :I

I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

Sorry RB but I kinda have to agree with infinity. while early game interactions are important it isn't till later in the game that they help get a more soild read. As you said scum can't adapt to the early game.. it seems to me that you both have differentiating view points that both have merit too them. Early on you can make a good scum read if there is a slip but 9/10 times you don't have that luxury. There was no major interactions before your two messages to go off and make a strong case and from what I gather Infinity was upset at how IPS posted people he thought was scummy with pretty weak reasons one of them being entirely wrong IMO. I believe infinity was attempting to scum hunt by asking his motivation behind his picks which was much more controversial than my own and had no reasoning with any of them. I feel that giving picks without explaining a little why you feel that way leads to this kind of thing because anyone can just randomly assign alignments but it takes thought to explain it out.

I'm not using it to make excuses, so how is that scummy?

My reasoning is, well, reasonable for this early on d1, and IPS called it out as scumy. Same with vibes.

Vote me for my reasoning if you think it's bad, not for my idea about the game.

Actually you did use it as an excuse after IPS explained his scumread on you.

VOTE: Infinity 324

@IPS: Why do you think i havent delivered anything of note yet?
Also can you pls explain your townreads?

This feels very bandwagony given what I've read from rb and Infinity like I'm not even sure if they read and they didn't take the time to quote where it was used as an excuse so.. yeah I'm now looking at them more scummaily.

I think this is a good post by Naomi and I agree with most of it.

That's shallow slandaar...

Undecided town doesn't have to ask questions to be undecided. I don't think there was a question he could've asked to help him figure out the situation more.

I don't like this post, looks forced.

Try a different route I guess.

your first post came because 2 people voted for you after saying literally nothing.

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

I am fairly sure I only had one vote too.

your second post had your read on Manuel and your vote on Raskol

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

And a question to you.

your third post was saying you'd explain your vote later (which you havn't yet done nearly 24 hours later) after someone questioned you about it

Not a defence. You are misrepping. Why?

and every post there after was a direct response to me after I remarked on your weak line on me.

Not true although the majority, yes. I questioned you, you responded to me, I then obviously respond to you why wouldn't I?

i'd advise replacing out as they are not contributing to finding town by posting short posts to keep the heat off themselves

Don't advise people to replace out.

I think rb is town

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

And yeah Aristo is scum too

I like Jarjar, I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

I also like Manuel - I don't like NaomiTan's case on him, it feels like scum making up shit

Right now I'm considering voting either Aristo or Slandaar

I'll iso and decide

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh? I see.

434

This gets a special area because lel, tried to fix that mess and no thanks.

But the point was that Slandaar was putting some real pressure on Naomi and then ended up Town readin them IIRC.

[Vedith]

Anyone fill me in so far?

[Infinity 324]

-All PRs are night 2
-kts was a PR that trolled and got lynched d1--some valuable interactions here
-DGB is scamming it up and doing nothing, she claimed n2 watcher

Not much else...

[Vedith]

-All PRs are night 2
-kts was a PR that trolled and got lynched d1--some valuable interactions here
-DGB is scamming it up and doing nothing, she claimed n2 watcher

Not much else...

KTS always trolls, it's an NAI... Shame on you lot I guess.
DGB doing nothing isn't a scum tell right now.

[Infinity 324]

I'm a 1-shot watcher

Only works on a specific night

Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

She probably just forgot, it's NAI anyway

Watcher claim is enough reason to leave her alive for a day imo. Watcher is a super powerful role. If she doesn't get a result and she doesn't give us a reason to make us think she's town by tomorrow, we can lynch her then. Thoughts?

If she forgot it is not NAI. Scum would know what setup we have if they make a fake claim so they dont scumslip.

You're right...

So it's either a townslip or a fake townslip. Hmm.

[hiplop]

v/la until monday?ish.

Moving out of the parents house and heading back to college. i can still post though

I will do my reread on monday. Sorry for the delay

[Raskolnikov]

Slandaar are you here?

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Not liking Lickety overall.

Also dislike my own activity in this game, will try to improve, but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Not liking Lickety overall.

Also dislike my own activity in this game, will try to improve, but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

[Vedith]

but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

:<

[Fire Assassin]

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

My evidence is in this thread.
Anyone go read your posts and come to a conclusion.

I don't need to case you to figure you out.

[Fire Assassin]

but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

:<

I have real life shit to do >.>
I have to find a job, I need to prepare for CPA exams, I need to work out cause I put on a lot of weight in last year.
This site eats up 2-3 hours of my day.

[Infinity 324]

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

My evidence is in this thread.
Anyone go read your posts and come to a conclusion.

I don't need to case you to figure you out.

This from the guy who grilled me earlier for not explaining my reads...

[Fire Assassin]

you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.

My evidence is in this thread.
Anyone go read your posts and come to a conclusion.

I don't need to case you to figure you out.

This from the guy who grilled me earlier for not explaining my reads...

I am not in the mood for you stuff right now. Please back off.