Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Firebringer]

Actually how do you judge it if multiple people support it and are willing to hammer.
If 2 people have intent then I don't think whichever is the one to hammer first should be treated that differently from the other one?

Probably not, but the meta used to be that hammer rarely came from scum.
I haven't been paying attention to wagonomics as I used to when I first started playing, a year ago the things that scum seemed interested in was always being in the middle of the wagon because that lacked visibility, and is still somewhat true to this day, though I don't think its as true as once was.

The launcher of wagons is usually town.

[Firebringer]

LAMIST post while trying to get her scumbuddy replaced because else he is about to die.

This was really scummy day 1 btw.

[Firebringer]

If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

No Fn way. There's no way in heck that scum sticks their neck out for a teammate playing the way KTS is playing.

If he flips scum then I guarantee you that scum is already on the wagon.

Apparently the mod believe getting yourself killed isn't against a win con for both scum and town. now ima just sulk as it is apparent we are stuck with a non-contributor actively trying to die.

LAMIST post while trying to get her scumbuddy replaced because else he is about to die.

You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

PEdit; They was literally trying to kill themselves... that goes aganist both roles imo..

Are you actually serious? Thats one of the the worst arguments i have ever read.

Also he never voted himself so no he never tried to kill himself.

please kill me.

So how is that literally trying to kill yourself?

He is literally asking to die, combine that with there activity over yesterday and he was begging for death, there is no two ways to it! he wasn't even trrying to not be scummy and was saying shit to make people less tollerant of themselves.

Pedit; Well there not going to be on the list of people who lynched them, if they think there scum then they should add themselves to the list of people who lynched when we read back we'll not notice it unless we remember this conversation.

He could have killed himself quite easily but he didnt.
I hope this flips scum so i can read you town and ignore you for the rest of the game.

Well i actually believe that she tried to get him replaced and mod said no.
She wouldnt try that as scum so either she LAMIST that really good or she is town if he flips town.

All extremely scummy posts btw.
Like just really really bad.

[Firebringer]

The tone is off in that he reads as someone who is confident in his reads but also realizes he has to make shit up, so he says the player is LAMIST then pretends his read on KTS is strong, and then the argument looks fake too, and when other people start commenting on Naomi being town, he just backs down all the sudden with a horrible progression to it that just reads like he read the room and was like "Okay, pushing this isn't going anywhere'

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Manuel87

[Raskolnikov]

I think he's town but I'm going to bed now. Tomorrow.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think he is Town as well.

[Firebringer]

Well you both are wrong.

[Manuel87]

The tone is off in that he reads as someone who is confident in his reads but also realizes he has to make shit up, so he says the player is LAMIST then pretends his read on KTS is strong, and then the argument looks fake too, and when other people start commenting on Naomi being town, he just backs down all the sudden with a horrible progression to it that just reads like he read the room and was like "Okay, pushing this isn't going anywhere'

Wow so much made up stuff and false arguments in such a little post:
When did i ever say i have a strong scumread on KTS?
Also i messed up i meant i hope KTS flips town. That was already mentioned why didnt you quote that?
How was that argument weak? Or do you really disagree that considering you believe she actually contacted the mod about replacing KTS:
if KTS had flipped scum her post about replacing could have been scummotivated
and as soon as he flipped town she was confirmed town?
You think i backed down from my Naomi read because she was townread? That argument is laughable at best.
I think you should stop making stuff up or read the thread carefully.
Also Naomi was hardcore LAMIST.

[Firebringer]

If you think I am making stuff up, doesn't that imply I am scum?
Or you just saying I can't read?

Also cut that shit out with LAMIST, thats fucking MU shit.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: DGB

[Slandaar]

Looking at his meta though I see similar as both unfortunately

You will need to explain this.

You need to use singlescum games as an example. SK/Multiball games are very different meta I don't feel like explaining why but it should be obvious.

[DrippingGoofball]

Looking at his meta though I see similar as both unfortunately

You will need to explain this.

You need to use singlescum games as an example. SK/Multiball games are very different meta I don't feel like explaining why but it should be obvious.

Oh look scum doing the IIoA dance

[Manuel87]

If you think I am making stuff up, doesn't that imply I am scum?
Or you just saying I can't read?

Also cut that shit out with LAMIST, thats fucking MU shit.

I am still scumreading your slot and since you dont answer any of my questions i dont see why i should change that read.
Instead of answering questions you make stuff up that is simply not true. After that gets pointed out and you get questioned again you dodge the questions again by asking questions that have no meaning instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Raskolnikov]

Manuel and slandaar claim roles please.

[Infinity 324]

Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

I'm kinda leaning towards slip. Seems too blatant of an attempt to play dumb for scum. Like I feel like scum would be like "no way anyone's gonna buy that"

UNVOTE:

DGB pretty blatantly played dumb in the last game I was in when she was scum.

I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

I think you're giving too much credit for this. I think u can give him a few town points but there's a lot of scumminess from LQ.

I actually think a lot of the scumminess is just forgetting/contradictions which seem to be NAI for him. I need to meta this but can you give some examples?

You scum dude?

We honestly should all claim today imo since only actions work tonight.

Hmmm

I think this is correct but I won't say why on the off chance that scum is dumb

I'm a PR

Idk if FB reaching the same conclusion is a good thing though because I don't know in the first place if it's actually even optimal or good here...

I think it's low downside.

Actually how do you judge it if multiple people support it and are willing to hammer.
If 2 people have intent then I don't think whichever is the one to hammer first should be treated that differently from the other one?

Those people get townpoints anyway since scum don't need to overkill.

If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

No Fn way. There's no way in heck that scum sticks their neck out for a teammate playing the way KTS is playing.

If he flips scum then I guarantee you that scum is already on the wagon.

Apparently the mod believe getting yourself killed isn't against a win con for both scum and town. now ima just sulk as it is apparent we are stuck with a non-contributor actively trying to die.

LAMIST post while trying to get her scumbuddy replaced because else he is about to die.

You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

PEdit; They was literally trying to kill themselves... that goes aganist both roles imo..

Are you actually serious? Thats one of the the worst arguments i have ever read.

Also he never voted himself so no he never tried to kill himself.

please kill me.

So how is that literally trying to kill yourself?

He is literally asking to die, combine that with there activity over yesterday and he was begging for death, there is no two ways to it! he wasn't even trrying to not be scummy and was saying shit to make people less tollerant of themselves.

Pedit; Well there not going to be on the list of people who lynched them, if they think there scum then they should add themselves to the list of people who lynched when we read back we'll not notice it unless we remember this conversation.

He could have killed himself quite easily but he didnt.
I hope this flips scum so i can read you town and ignore you for the rest of the game.

Well i actually believe that she tried to get him replaced and mod said no.
She wouldnt try that as scum so either she LAMIST that really good or she is town if he flips town.

All extremely scummy posts btw.
Like just really really bad.

If kts flipped scum, you may have a point, but I actually think this looks uninformed. There's no point in basing a push off of the assumption that someone is scum when they're about to flip town, and the "I hope he flips [town]" reads genuine to me.

[Infinity 324]

People posted so much when I was asleep, now no one's here

[Firebringer]

If you think I am making stuff up, doesn't that imply I am scum?
Or you just saying I can't read?

Also cut that shit out with LAMIST, thats fucking MU shit.

I am still scumreading your slot and since you dont answer any of my questions i dont see why i should change that read.
Instead of answering questions you make stuff up that is simply not true. After that gets pointed out and you get questioned again you dodge the questions again by asking questions that have no meaning instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

Your questions on me was reads and I have given you many reads if you read my posts, so what question am I dodging exactly?

Also you saying my questions are pointless seems odd because you basically were sitting on either that I wasn't reading or making it up and are still sitting in that same position but voting me like you are confident.

Can you pick one? I am fine with either.
Don't read = discredit
Making it up = you "scum read"

Seriously, either works

[Firebringer]

@infinity you are wrong about Manuel. Talk to me when you actually figure him out

[Slandaar]

Looking at his meta though I see similar as both unfortunately

You will need to explain this.

You need to use singlescum games as an example. SK/Multiball games are very different meta I don't feel like explaining why but it should be obvious.

Oh look scum doing the IIoA dance

Uhuh.

Anyone who has looked at my meta properly would know I am town here. Similarities don't exist.

So, what is it you are saying here DGB?

Raskol are you going to answer?

Manuel and slandaar claim roles please.

I am not claiming today.

Seems you have and you didn't answer the previous for some reason. Why did you claim?

[Firebringer]

I am not claiming today

Then you can eat rope instead
VOTE: Slandaar

[Infinity 324]

@infinity you are wrong about Manuel. Talk to me when you actually figure him out

Manuel is noob town, contradicting himself isn't really a scumtell. I was scumreading your slot for similar inconsistencies in his read on LQ but I realized he was just really pissed off and was trying to convince himself to scumread LQ.

PEdit: slandaar at least claim whether you're a PR, there's no downside unless you're investigative and scum won't know whether you are or not.

[Firebringer]

Manuel isn't been town you can tell he is from off site.

[Firebringer]

Manuel isn't been town you can tell he is from off site.

Manuel isn't newb fucking phone doesn't know what newb is

[Infinity 324]

Still counts as a noob imo. (Remember the mm?)