podoboq's Mini Normal Review

[Cephrir]

I like the direction we've already moved in. I think cop is pretty strong, and cop-deputy-tracker-jk might be excessive?

[Cephrir]

True. It's hard to work around that.

[Cephrir]

I wouldn't say it's out of the question. But I certainly wouldn't have a lot of faith. Those players are gonna have to look town, and maybe pray neither of them ever get investigated? Which could happen with only the one cop. If they both claim right away, they might both get townread as well. I bet the town wouldn't lynch BOTH of them.

I think there's got to be a way we can make it work.

[Cephrir]

Also to some extent if a town sees two ascetic claims and says yeah we're definitely lynching both of those regardless of play or anything else then they kind of deserve to lose.

[Cephrir]

In normal games, once parity is achieved or nothing can prevent parity, the game is over. I read a rationale on the ms wiki a long time ago, but I'm not sure if it's withstood all the edits over the years. Once parity is achieved, the mafia simply overwhelms town with superior firepower.

If a 3p lylo were to end with the last mafia player and the jailkeeper alive at the lynch, the game would end with a mafia win.

So unless I'm misunderstanding something, that would make the scum win condition I wanted to use not normal. Is it possible to use this win condition for scum regardless, as long as it's made explicit at game start, or for the sake of normalcy should I just conform on this?

The latter, please.

[Cephrir]

I'd be cool with a mini-roleblocker or full rolecop. Cop-deputy is quite strong.

[Cephrir]

Also, quick question about mafia's night actions. Can a player use more than one action at night? For example, could the roleblocker use their roleblock ability and also commit the factional kill in the same night?

usually, yes but this is the mod's call

regardless you should say this somewhere in the thread

the rules would be good!

[Cephrir]

also we should still have two goons i'm not sure how we got to zero

2 shot rb goon goon

[Cephrir]

ok but i thought we were turning the neapolitan into an rb

[Cephrir]

maybe that's us going overboard but i am pretty sure that was where we were at

[Cephrir]

I thought he was suggesting )roleblocker or rolecop) as a substitute for neapolitan.

i guess i could be mistaken.

i certainly wouldn't do neapolitan and roleblocker AND no tracker

[Cephrir]

That's a lot of town investigative power for mafia to dodge with a 2x roleblocker. or with no roleblocker and a rolecop instead.

I think I'm in the minority in thinking this is actually kinda townsided.

I'm on the fence.

So...is Neapolitan, 2-shot Roleblocker, and one Mafia Goon a better balanced setup for the scum team than Rolecop and two Mafia Goons?

I think if we decide it's townsided then I'd rather remove a town role than give scum two.

[Cephrir]

I'm willing to do either but prefer no tracker, vs neapoilitan.

[Cephrir]

Yeah

[Cephrir]

I meant the above setup, is that not what I was supposed to mean

[Cephrir]

I'm good.