Mini 1824: Grandest Idea Mafia - Game over!

[Radical Rat]

Hey guys I'm in the game too. Came on Day 1 to post and it was already over.

Anyway, we're confirmed multiball, and Vedith is being ridiculous.
Grand Idea was never meant to be a balanced setup, and even then, your "quad votes" are just a semantic thing. Innocent Child can't be scum because that's part of the role description. You have one vote that you can chop up into tiny useless pieces. That's just barely more than being a quad FOSer. On top of that, you claim to have believed this pregame information because it came from the mod, but specifically stated in D1 that you thought it was from a player.

So yeah, unless snake has something juicy on Eggman....
VOTE: Vedith

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I'll let you build your case. But my vote is still on you in spirit.

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

Also, it's not that I don't believe you have pre-game info. It's that I don't believe what you're saying about it.

[Radical Rat]

LAMIST just scum slipped btw.
Said I claimed informed when I didn't.

I bet he sent me the information and is scum.

I can confirm there are zero VTs in this setup; in addition, no more Werewolves remain in this setup.

Here's what I think...
Mod gave wrong information to me so he mod killed an anti town faction.
Means there are more cults and no mafia.

These posts don't match.

[Radical Rat]

McMenno,

Cult Really-self-conscious Nightkill Disabler,

committed suicide night 1!

Welcome to Grandest Idea Mafia McMenno!

Cult Really-self-conscious Nightkill Disabler

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to lynch.
-All nightkills that do not target you automatically fail.
-If you are targeted with any action at night, you will commit suicide at the end of the night.
-You may discuss with your fellow cult members in a chat located here: [REDACTED]

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Cult faction are eliminated, or nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67948

Tricksted Fate,

Werewolf Flavored Hat Goon,

was modkilled night 1!

Welcome to Grandest Idea Mafia Tricksted Fate!

Werewolf Flavored Hat Goon

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to lynch.
-At night, you may discuss with your fellow Werewolves here: [REDACTED]
-You may perform a factional nightkill each night.
-You are Flavored Hat. This does absolutely nothing.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Werewolf faction are eliminated, or nothing can prevent this.

The game thread is here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67948

I can confirm there are zero VTs in this setup; in addition, no more Werewolves remain in this setup.

How can you confirm this? Do you know anything about the cult or other MurderScum factions?

[Radical Rat]

Also, it's not that I don't believe you have pre-game info. It's that I don't believe what you're saying about it.

Why would I lie about it?

I have no idea. Not much of your play HAS made sense this game though.

[Radical Rat]

*N1 flip

Pedit: My role is Town VT Externinator by combining VT for alignment with Werewolf VT Exterminator for role.

Shouldn't you be dead then? After all, you did not attempt to lynch a VT on D1, because there were none of them.

[Radical Rat]

*N1 flip

Pedit: My role is Town VT Externinator by combining VT for alignment with Werewolf VT Exterminator for role.

Shouldn't you be dead then? After all, you did not attempt to lynch a VT on D1, because there were none of them.

And what does that have to do with the Werewolf thing?

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, what was the alignment attached to your Quadruplet Voter card?

[Radical Rat]

Moderator Note for Greater Idea Style Games: If the alignment chosen is town alongside this role, then the player must attempt to lynch a VT each day or the player with this role will commit suicide. Same applies to TPR without kills. For other group!scum, that particular alignment must kill VTs or commit suicide.

This was attached to the Mafia version, but I assume it would go for all VT Exterminators.

[Radical Rat]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7656971

While alive, the

werewolf faction

must kill a VT each night with their factional ability or be modkilled.

This is why Tricksted Fate died.

Would this kill them all or just the 1?

It would kill the whole faction. If it weren't for that mod note there.

[Radical Rat]

Well... Alright... It does at least all like up with your play.

@Ircher
You should probably put that note on all of the Exterminator posts, unless this actually was what you intended in which case... Damn that's a good role to have here.

[Radical Rat]

Line up. Damn Mobile Mafia.

Anyway, back to
VOTE: Vedith

Sorry Snake, but I'm gonna need more than a "trust me, he's Scum"

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE: all

VOTE: LAMIST
VOTE: LAMIST
VOTE: LAMIST
VOTE: LAMIST

I can get on this, I think he's lying.

I don't. It would have had to be planned from the beginning, and I find it unlikely to just pick a role out of a 100 page thread to fake.

[Radical Rat]

I thought you were going to let me prove my case?!

Was your case NOT "Quad voter is conftown?"

[Radical Rat]

My play is too scummy to be scum, think about it.

Sorry, I don't drink wine.

[Radical Rat]

I've searched the Grand Idea thread for...

"messenger"
"whisperer"
and
"pregame"

There don't seem to be any roles capable of giving information anonymously before the game starts.

[Radical Rat]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7772977

Vedith still got way more information than that.

So...............................................
He's a filthy liar trying to mess with the gamestate, and I'm cool with anyone hammering this eventually.

[Radical Rat]

Moderator Note for Greater Idea Style Games: If the alignment chosen is town alongside this role, then the player must attempt to lynch a VT each day or the player with this role will commit suicide. Same applies to TPR without kills. For other group!scum, that particular alignment must kill VTs or commit suicide.

This was attached to the Mafia version, but I assume it would go for all VT Exterminators.

Fair enough, but keep in mind the mafia pne was posted AFTER this game started.

We originally was gonna do VT, but I asked SirCakez how he would've interoreted Town VT Exterminator which obviously differs from my interpretation. Obviously, I wasn't gonna change the original which was a pretty nice little thing to exploit, but the mod note that I added to the mafia one should apply to future games with the role so it isn't broken.

Ah, alright. I didn't realize that note was added after gamestart, my bad.

[Radical Rat]

I mean, any time you feel like posting this defense of yours, go for it.

You've had over 12 hours, and have been active throughout.

I agree with not rushing the day, but stalling while we wait for some specific post isn't exactly making the most out of our time either.

[Radical Rat]

Searches for "truth" "truths" "lie" "true" and "false" have turned up nothing.

[Radical Rat]

I mean, any time you feel like posting this defense of yours, go for it.

You've had over 12 hours, and have been active throughout.

I agree with not rushing the day, but stalling while we wait for some specific post isn't exactly making the most out of our time either.

I'm at work, I can't post a case now, why do you want this rushed?
Tell me who is my scum buddy then? We can work on finding read scum.
I don't think you're scum to be honest, so I want to work with you.

Have you been at work for the past 13 hours? I don't want this rushed necessarily, I'm just seeing a bunch of reasons to scumread you and none not to.

As far as your scum buddy goes... One might not exist. If the game doesn't end with your death though, I'd probably sheep Snake on Eggman.

Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't seen a post from Ivo all day. We can put pressure there and see what happens until you post this magical proof.

VOTE: Doc 'Botnik( Eggman )

[Radical Rat]

Hold up.

Vedith, when you're at L-1, it's dangerous and some spooky Scum could quickhammer you.

But Eggman at L-1 is perfectly fine?

[Radical Rat]

Eh, I guess no one really wants to be at L-1.

I'll try to ease off my tunnel and let you get this miracle defense out

[Radical Rat]

Also, personal request here.

If Eggman becomes today's lynch, I would like to hammer.
No real profound reason, just that I'm Sonic, he's Eggman. It's only natural.

[Radical Rat]

Also, personal request here.

If Eggman becomes today's lynch, I would like to hammer.
No real profound reason, just that I'm Sonic, he's Eggman. It's only natural.

No worries, We'll make sure you hammer him!

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, do you recall the name of this "Give Vedith two truths and a lie to frame him" role?

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, do you recall the name of this "Give Vedith two truths and a lie to frame him" role?

Not really, but I'll remember it later.

Not even just one word I can search the thread for?

[Radical Rat]

Well that really narrows it down.

[Radical Rat]

Town's the only thing searchable though. At least, if there is a way to check post numbers, I don't know how to do it.

[Radical Rat]

Lane is scum btw. He votes me and thinks my information received is a lie, yet he checked Titus last night?
Doesn't match up.

Happy to lynch Lane over Eggman.

We had no reason to doubt your information until we got two scumflips from different factions though. At the time of N1, checking you was much less mandatory.

[Radical Rat]

We

had no reason to doubt your information until we got two scumflips from different factions though. At the time of N1, checking you was much less mandatory.

WE?!
You and Lane in PT?

Oh yeah, we're masons. Our PT consists 100% of quoting your posts with no commentary. It's a good time, you want masonized?

[Radical Rat]

On a more serious note there are 1111 posts containing the word "Town"

It will take a while to sort through, would anyone care to divide the workload?

45 pages, so if we got five people working we can take 9 pages each.

I'll go ahead and do the first nine now.

[Radical Rat]

I was joking. I thought that was obvious.

[Radical Rat]

I was joking. I thought that was obvious.

Really?

I assumed your PT comment was a joke because I meant "we" as in the entire game, so I responded with a joke post.

I also said in my post about searching through the Town roles that I was being serious then, which implies that I was not before.

[Radical Rat]

Interestingly enough though, a Mason Cop is completely possible in this setup.

There's a role called "Adder" which causes you to roll two different roles and combine their powers.

[Radical Rat]

Except that shouldn't have happened because you chose that for alignment not role.

[Radical Rat]

There are three possibilities here:

1. Cakez has somehow fucked up incredibly as a mod
2. Vedith is lying
3. Vedith's mystery role does exist, and is 90% likely to be scum

[Radical Rat]

Current evidence points to option 2

[Radical Rat]

Town One Way Mason

You know that «playername» is Town (but they don't know that you're town). You may send messages to that player indirectly via the moderator. The messages will be sent anonymously as though they were sent via a Mailman-style role (you can claim your identity in the messages if you like, but there's nothing stopping the message sender lying about their identity from the recipient's point of view, and they don't know that the messages were sent by a townie).

I found this, but There's no 7, and I can't imagine why someone would use this only once, right at gamestart, and with that specific information.

[Radical Rat]

There are three possibilities here:

1. Cakez has somehow fucked up incredibly as a mod
2. Vedith is lying
3. Vedith's mystery role does exist, and is 90% likely to be scum

1 I think. Although you make it sound worse than it really is.

Well, the farside thing is understandable. But you have two other pieces of info that none of your rolls should receive, one of which was proven incorrect.

[Radical Rat]

Jester honestly seems most likely at this point. So we have a choice to make.

Lynch just in case, and let him win.
Or
Keep him around because his posts are making the game super fun

[Radical Rat]

I thought he was a big that was also a stump, not a stump vig.

[Radical Rat]

Vig. Whatever.

[Radical Rat]

I mean, any time you feel like posting this defense of yours, go for it.

You've had over 12 hours, and have been active throughout.

I agree with not rushing the day, but stalling while we wait for some specific post isn't exactly making the most out of our time either.

I'm at work, I can't post a case now, why do you want this rushed?
Tell me who is my scum buddy then? We can work on finding read scum.
I don't think you're scum to be honest, so I want to work with you.

Have you been at work for the past 13 hours? I don't want this rushed necessarily, I'm just seeing a bunch of reasons to scumread you and none not to.

As far as your scum buddy goes... One might not exist. If the game doesn't end with your death though, I'd probably sheep Snake on Eggman.

Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't seen a post from Ivo all day. We can put pressure there and see what happens until you post this magical proof.

VOTE: Doc 'Botnik( Eggman )

[Radical Rat]

That vote is probably gonna change after Vedith's miracle defense though.

[Radical Rat]

Time's up. You said six and a half hours, and it's been over seven now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

[Radical Rat]

Barring anything like daycops or other shenanigans, I do believe this is my vote for the day.

[Radical Rat]

Dayvig falls under "other shenanigans"

Keeping him alive, while fun, is not exactly playing my wincon, sadly.

[Radical Rat]

Aw man. Now both of us can get hammered.
Quick, vote Vedith!
(Wait, when did we see Vedith had only 1/4 votes?)

The votecounts.

When all four are on one person it's one whole vote. When split, it's fractions.

[Radical Rat]

RR, give me 10mins, just vote Eggman quickly!

It's been ten minutes from this post.

[Radical Rat]

No because I think either of us would be OK-ish lynches? Not good, but not terrible? I'm not sure what I'm saying.
Also, that would still leave me at L-1. Which I don't want.

So, you're saying that you're an Okay lynch?
If you were Town, wouldn't that be a bad lynch?

I kinda wanna call this a scumslip.

[Radical Rat]

Here's my proposal.

Lynch Eggman today, because he said it himself, he's an okay lynch.

Then pile every investigative role we have onto Vedith. We know there's a Cop, but that only accounts for one Scumteam, so if you've got an investigation that isn't Mafia/Not Mafia, you're on Vedith too. If there's a second Mafia cop out there, I suggest Farside to check on that "confirmation" Vedith supposedly has.

[Radical Rat]

For the record, I take no responsibility of anything.

Oh sure. Not like you've been pushing the Eggman lynch all game or anything.

It's cool, you don't need to be held accountable for the flip... Which this statement implies you know. Which is a MUCH stronger scumslip than calling yourself a viable lynch.

VOTE: eagerSnake

[Radical Rat]

We've still gotta Cop the hell out of Vedith though.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, but what's the deal with 607. If you truly believed that Eggman was scum, why would you NOT want the responsibility for that?

That comment only makes sense if you expect a Town flip.

[Radical Rat]

So you also think Vedith is a 3, since you said you were both the same?

[Radical Rat]

If this message is legit, the sender is scum.

Otherwise, they'd have come forward already.

[Radical Rat]

RR --> Stop giving in to Vedith's logical fallancies and hammer Vedith already.

It's not that I believe Vedith.

It's just that I've seen Town engage in this sort of buffoonery before.

I have not, however, seen Town spend a game pushing for a lynch only to suddenly disavow responsibility.

[Radical Rat]

I was day 2 rolepicker and just picked my role today i had 24 hours to pick start of day 2 and multiple roles that would make the game unbalanced i was not allowed to pick

so yeah i dont have results

You should have picked Barney

[Radical Rat]

That's not what the rolepicker does though.

In fact, I specifically remember reading that it overrides the alignment of the chosen role.

[Radical Rat]

Eh, I still say lynch it.

607 was just terrible.

[Radical Rat]

I think, to avoid this sort of thing in the future, we should all read through the entirety of the Grand Idea roles during N2.

[Radical Rat]

Mega Gladiator was early in the thread, and allows challenging everyone in the game to a duel.

You either vote the gladiator, or everyone else, and the Day won't end until it happens.

Icelander I found while searching for Vedith's mystery role, and it basically just disabled nights.

[Radical Rat]

Yes, I want to lynch the BP Cop.

The BP Cop who spent the whole game pushing someone with no valid evidence, only to cop out, if you'll pardon the pun, at the last second.

Also worth noting, he didn't unvote until he got caught, then goes with an OMGUS.

Vedith or Snake. One dies today.

[Radical Rat]

So the one major issue I have is why, if your role pm says town day 2 rolepicker, would you be picking from mafia roles?

For the same reason the Town VT Exterminator caused the Werewolves to suicide.

[Radical Rat]

As far as your scum buddy goes... One might not exist. If the game doesn't end with your death though,

I'd probably sheep Snake on Eggman.

VOTE: Doc 'Botnik( Eggman )

Yes, I want to lynch the BP Cop.

The BP Cop who spent the whole game

pushing someone with no valid evidence

, only to cop out, if you'll pardon the pun, at the last second.

Also worth noting, he didn't unvote until he got caught, then goes with an OMGUS.

Vedith or Snake. One dies today.

This dude is not scumhunting, he's just following ez lynchbait wagons, he wants to lynch the BP cop, this dude is scum.

He literally said he was going to sheep me if Vedith wasn't lynched but then later admits I had no evidence on Eggman. He was likely going to try to put any/all blame of a townflip on me

He just looking for lynchbait

Misrep.

From the moment I started posting I was pushing Vedith about his lies. My hypothetical sheep on Eggman was because I assumed you had something we didn't. Your claim says you did not. I'd also like to know what scum in their right mind picks the BP Cop as lynchbait. And lastly... There is absolutely nothing to indicate that I would have blamed you for the Town flip. I know I can't prove this anymore, but I would have apologized and moved on to the next scumread.

[Radical Rat]

There is a redirector in the game.

How do we know?
I didn't recieve that in my pre game message.

Softclaim?

[Radical Rat]

Oh. I don't know what a bloodhound is.

If I remember correctly, it's the ultimate cop. Results are Town/Not Town.

[Radical Rat]

Also suggests scum redirector since they didn't acknowledge targetting you either

[Radical Rat]

So there are 2 scum left.
1 scum has redirect and 1 scum can give fake pregame message.

So Eggman is basically confirmed as scum, and makes Shadow most likely scum as well.

I don't see the connection here.
Neither Eggman nor Shadow have done anything suggesting they can either redirect or fake mod info.

[Radical Rat]

I'm actually inclined to Townread Eggman right now, because Snake seemed to expect that flip.

[Radical Rat]

Meanwhile where the hell is MM?

He's shy!

Is your "case" on Shadow not lurking?
Why does MM get a pass for being shy?

[Radical Rat]

I don't like Snake's role reveal, but I think we should let him get one report.
But then who would we lynch?

Vedith.

[Radical Rat]

How exactly do you plan to suicide? I don't recall cops being able to just die when they feel like it.

[Radical Rat]

I believe the person who hasn't been lying his ass off all game.

So Shadow.

Intent to hammer Vedith

[Radical Rat]

We should wait to actually hammer, because I'd like to see Titus say a bit more before we end the game.

[Radical Rat]

End the day*

Though it certainly would be nice if this ends the game too.

[Radical Rat]

Link to the second role now.

[Radical Rat]

Here are the facts
I can't be an Alien because of my discard
I can't be werewolf as they are dead
I can't be 3rd party killing as I can't kill
I can't be jester as I was posting at L1
I can't be lyncher as I've voted everyone

I can only be Mafia or town so Lane can clear me from that.

You can prove me as town!
Read this and tell me that I'm wrong!

You could have had a second Alien card.
Can't be Werewolf, that is correct.
We don't have any way to confirm you can't kill.
You just claimed game-ending Jester, so....... One of those is a lie.

[Radical Rat]

You could have had a second Alien card.
Can't be Werewolf, that is correct.
We don't have any way to confirm you can't kill.
You just claimed game-ending Jester, so....... One of those is a lie.

Jester is an align, My align was town. My role was game ending and quad voter.
So I did not lie
And you honestly think I am an Alien?

Or Mafia or Cult or 3p.

[Radical Rat]

Or Mafia or Cult or 3p.

I can be proven not Mafia
And I'm not cult

You know what I'm saying makes sense why are you acting like it doesn't?!

Because you AREN'T cleared, and you've consistently lied about everything you could possibly lie about.

[Radical Rat]

When I get home I'll pull all the lies out of your ISO

[Radical Rat]

Spoiler: Vedith Lies

more than 100, actually

No, I believe all roles are from page 1 only.

Titus and Eggman are scum - Easy game.

Please explain your reads.

I can't without explaining my entire role.
Titus is scum and I'm sure Eggman is.

not that it matters, because I got all town cards :/

same

Same

did you

really

only pick your role so you could make lame fake hammer jokes

why didn't you pick the supercharged doctor as a role

Because fuck society!

UNVOTE: Titus

VOTE: McMeno

That's a lynch btw if I read my role right.

That's only 6 votes. Did you win then?

No, but if my 4th vote gets it to L1 while I'm already voting, it's an automatic lynch.
McMeno was scum 100%

You ACTIVELY ATTEMPTED TO HAMMER HIM.

No I didn't.
Why are you making up reasons to scum read me?
Vote Ryan and I'll give you town cred.

I got a pre game message about Farside. Considering I'm quad voter, scum wouldn't get 4 votes.

Also, I've been thinking about my information gained, and I'm starting to think that who ever sent it had to send 2 true comments and 1 lie.
Farside and 1 protective role is true (no one claimed another protective and I can't see anyone here as it)
The factions is a lie.

I found the role in the forum that does this, so I assume that someone got this and is scum.

Town One Way Mason

You know that «playername» is Town (but they don't know that you're town). You may send messages to that player indirectly via the moderator. The messages will be sent anonymously as though they were sent via a Mailman-style role (you can claim your identity in the messages if you like,

but there's nothing stopping the message sender lying

about their identity from the recipient's point of view, and they don't know that the messages were sent by a townie).

I found this, but There's no 7, and I can't imagine why someone would use this only once, right at gamestart, and with that specific information.

That's the one I was thinking!
I think scum got this one and using it to frame me. :<

This was going to be my defence but people started to actually understand that I am town.

This only includes the lies that have been proven false, which notably includes his comments about the 2 truths/1 lie role, but excludes his claim that he got information at all. Also excluded are posts I read as jokes, and repetition of previous lies that don't add more.

I personally don't believe a handful of other posts, but this list is only for confirmed lies.

[Radical Rat]

Please don't waste you time. No one will read it. We all know

If he doesn't do it then he's a liar and we need to lynch him, by his logic! xD

It isn't the fact that you lied that makes me want to lynch you. It's what you're lying about. Making up roles that don't exist to fit your narrative is not pro-town lying.

Snake's offense was greater, until the thing where Shadow "told you" he lurks as scum. My trust in you this game had already been destroyed by the rest of your posts, so when Shadow said you made that up too, it wasn't a difficult decision about which one was telling the truth and which one was lying to force a lynch.

[Radical Rat]

Alright we can lynch Eggman now

VOTE: Eggman

I don't think he was really Magistrate.

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, no hard feelings. You were an absolute joy to have this game, and I hope to see you again soon!

Since Mafia can't win anymore anyway, would you mind telling us what was up with that pre-game thing?

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, stumps can talk, but are otherwise considered "dead" I believe.

I just forgot MM was a stump when I responded to Vedith's shy comment.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Trickster fate

I can't imagine a pro-town player getting rid of that role.

I want to note here that this person called out scum on the first post of the game

and then that scum /quit the game

Okay, but she was right.
And they didn't really "quit," they were murdered by LAMIST

[Radical Rat]

I didn't get a chance to post D1 either. If I had died, I wouldn't be a quitter.

Just pissed.


Anyway, that's a useless argument. I guess what I'm trying to say is...
What point are you trying to make with that?

[Radical Rat]

Cool I actually called out a scum role on page 2

I should get a medal for that

I don't think you get medals for having inside knowledge.

[Radical Rat]

Cool I actually called out a scum role on page 2

I should get a medal for that

I don't think you get medals for having inside knowledge.

I'd like to see some evidence of this 'inside knowledge'

Check your role PM

[Radical Rat]

Cool I actually called out a scum role on page 2

I should get a medal for that

I don't think you get medals for having inside knowledge.

I'd like to see some evidence of this 'inside knowledge'

Check your role PM

Oh so what you mean to say is: I apologize sir, I have no evidence, and I wish to retract my accusation and beg for your forgiveness.

Apology not accepted.

Something like that.

Don't worry though, I'll have your evidence in due time.

Today's lynch is over though, so I'm in no hurry.

[Radical Rat]

Right now... All that's left to do is watch the sunset.

[Radical Rat]

McMenno - Committed suicide night 1 - Cult Really-self-conscious Nightkill Disabler

Why does it say committed suicide

Someone targeted McMenno.

The question is --> Was McMenno cult to begin with or was he targeted by a cult leader?

I think he was Cult to begin with, because it is my understanding that recruited Cultists are Vanillized.

At Night, it can recruit players into the Cult; these players henceforth

lose their previous role identities

and become Cultists.

Also there is one other thing about the other cops results that is differ from mine

but im not saying what rn

You should. Either someone is insane or faking results, and in either case, that needs to be sorted out immediately.

Fixed quote tag

[Radical Rat]

@Mod
Fix my quote tags please?

[Radical Rat]

Theres a confirmed redirector in the setup.

Apparently, the mod sends results without including the targets name.

Shadow is scum for lolhammering an obv!jester with 8 days to spare and very few other comments.

Of course the mod sends results without including the target's name. I've never seen it done any other way.

[Radical Rat]

Reflexive rolecop... Let me check....

Bunch of random roles that allow that, so any alignment. Thats the only match that fits.s

Why are you trying to figure out my role instead of scum hunting?

Because we dont think there are any scum left to hunt.

Why do you think the game hasn't ended yet then?

[Radical Rat]

Theres still at least 1 cultist though unless McMenno got RB'd.

Cakez has confirmed that McMenno had no recruit action available to him, which to me indicates that a Cult would not be able to recruit without using a specific "Leader" or "Recruiter" role, which do exist in Grand Idea.

However, this existing in Grandest Idea would mean that someone would not only have to have received one Cult card for the alignment, but also another from only a small handful of recruiting roles to use for the ability.

Therefore, unless we actually get a flip from a recruiter, I think it's safe to assume that the Cult never had a recruiting ability, and simply functions as a kill-free Mafia.

As for whether or not more cultists exist... It would certainly explain the no kill.

So... Shadow as Cult Redirector, hoping to muck up our results until we mislynch each other into oblivion?

[Radical Rat]

@farside, I didn't check anyone because I was hoping to prevent a nightkill, if there are any left

How does not checking people prevent nightkills?

[Radical Rat]

Whoops forgot to
VOTE: shadow_step

[Radical Rat]

Snake, what was your result on Eggman?

[Radical Rat]

Ah, missed that, sorry.

Alright then, if Eggman can confirm that you were not redirected, and you got a Not Mafia result in him, what alignment do you think he has that would still merit a lynch?

[Radical Rat]

Lane confirmed to have killed Cakez and stolen his position as mod.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: lane0168

Why would you hammer before Shadow arrived to defend himself, or at the very least give his final reads?

[Radical Rat]

Eagersnake is not mafia. Given the lack of kills, I wonder if anyone is mafia though.

Who said we likely had a bloodhound? Why?

I will be back in about 24 hours. One last work thing.

Me.
I was targetted night 1 by a bloodhound and a player who is a redirector.

vote: eagersnake

I believe his cop claim. 100%. If that means anything to you

You targeted egg?
Or you targeted him?

eager didn't target me last night. I had no one target me last night. So forgive me if I'm a bit looking at eager sideways here.

That's not true.
I targetted you last night.

[Radical Rat]

If there's no night kills we should just NL and use our powers

Absolutely not. If scum's not killing, and they aren't Mafia, Day is the only time we have to find people.

As such, anyone denying us the Day should be met with extreme suspicion, such as Lane, hammering early, or you, suggesting we skip the Day entirely.

If, by some form of shenanigan, both of you are confirmed Town, or we just decide Cop lynching is scary, lurkers should be considered next.

[Radical Rat]

An interesting thing I've noticed is that there have been, assuming only one living scumfaction, which I recognize is a dangerous assumption to make but bear with me, there have been two opportunities for a night kill.

We have three people with the claimed ability to avoid kills.

It is unlikely, but not impossible, that either
1. Our scumteam has had some really bad luck with picking kills
Or
2. The redirector has found scum, and refuses to tell us for some reason

Seeing as how the game is still going... I'm inclined to consider these possibilities, despite the low probability

[Radical Rat]

I can't be scum why would I choose a role with no kills if i was a non-killing scum with choice of almost any mafia role in the deck

Maybe you are killing scum, as per my 1060.
Or maybe you wanted to use this exact argument, but that gets WIFOMy.

[Radical Rat]

Radical you targeted with what?

Round-Number Cop.

If the target has a role from a post number ending in 0, I get a Cop result on them.

I have not yet gotten a result.

[Radical Rat]

If it matters I've checked...
Vedith N1
Snake N2 ( I thought I might get something since the rolepicker was a round number, even if the BP Cop was not )
And apparently not Farside N3

[Radical Rat]

Lane- cowardly cop
Eager- bulletproof cop
Titus- cop
Lamist - Redirector
Radical
Eggman
Farside

LAMIST is a VT Exterminator.
Which means... Eggman is the Redirector. And I think we're all in agreement that this Redirector is up to no good.

VOTE: Eggman

List your targets and their targets please.

[Radical Rat]

YOu mean we can lynch Eggman now? hip hip VOTE: Eggman!

We can lynch him after he explains himself.

[Radical Rat]

Reminder that I want the hammer on Eggman.

To that end, I will be unvoting at L-1, and professing intent to hammer, unless something happens to clear him, or we decide on a better lynch.

I would greatly appreciate you humoring me in this

[Radical Rat]

I think Radical Rat is scum still

YOu mean we can lynch Eggman now? hip hip VOTE: Eggman!

Wait just a darn moment.

You're not concerned at ALL about switching your vote to follow one of your scumreads?

[Radical Rat]

Who are you intending to vote?

[Radical Rat]

Ah. Go ahead and switch out with me then while I wait for the hammer.
Not opposing that Snake lynch if Eggman winds up suddenly looking Pro-Town.

UNVOTE:

Note that my vote remains in spirit, so this is essentially L-1. I do not, however, intend on instant hammering until Eggman posts again, so if you really want the pressure there, feel free.

[Radical Rat]

So the redirector targeted Farside nights 1 and 3?

Nope. Targeted me to someone who wasn't farside N3.

[Radical Rat]

Lane- cowardly cop
Eager- bulletproof cop
Titus- cop
Lamist - Redirector
Radical
Eggman
Farside

Unvote

Lane did you hide last night?

No I checked lamist

Not Mafia I assume.

Radical I have a quick question for you.
Let me know when you have a few moments.

Ask away

[Radical Rat]

So so far we have

Town:

Lane
Titus
Farside

It can be concluded that Shadow cleared Farside N1 as town based on Farside's comments & this post.

Sure would have been nice if someone didn't hammer him before he could tell us who else he checked... ( There weren't three nights for him to use so he couldn't have checked everyone in that post. )

[Radical Rat]

Lane- cowardly cop
Eager- bulletproof cop
Titus- cop
Lamist - Redirector
Radical
Eggman
Farside

Unvote

Lane did you hide last night?

No I checked lamist

Not Mafia I assume.

Radical I have a quick question for you.
Let me know when you have a few moments.

Ask away

DOh you know dreamer can copy and perform the action they were targeted with?

Vote: eager

Well, I mean. You just said that, so yes I do know?

I don't think I understand the question.

[Radical Rat]

Egg is at l-1

Intent to hammer, in case it wasn't already evident

Just waiting on him to show up and tell us his actions.

[Radical Rat]

Radical I have a quick question for you.
Let me know when you have a few moments.

Ask away[/quote]

DOh you know dreamer can copy and perform the action they were targeted with?

Vote: eager

[/quote]

Well, I mean. You just said that, so yes I do know?

I don't think I understand the question.[/quote]


Well if you targeted me I gain that ability to use night 4.[/quote]

But I was redirected off of you, so I don't see your point.

[Radical Rat]

Actually, you know what?

Fuck it, Cult wins. I don't need to keep up this charade anymore.


VOTE: Eggman
That's the redirector, the only person who can stop me from recruiting our fourth member, which is the last one we need for majority.

GG Town, I was Cult from the start. The only one in fact.

[Radical Rat]

I will answer any questions not regarding my fellow Cultists, just in case something weird happens and they need to win without me.

[Radical Rat]

<3
Were you playing dumb at the end there?

Nope!

The only lies I've told this game have been speculation about Cult mechanics.

Such as the vanillization thing, which since I recruited( and accidentally killed ) McMenno, I knew that wasn't the case this game.
And the needing a specified recruiter, because I really am a Round Number Cop.

[Radical Rat]

If I'd known you were a Dreamer, and had looked it up to see what it did, I would have recruited you ASAP to get a double recruit night in.

[Radical Rat]

Oh sweet, I wasn't redirected.

You probably shouldn't have outed yourself, but whatevs, we win.

I had asked Cakez about the redirect, and if I were, I would have had no idea who I recruited until they spoke in the Cult Chat, so I just assumed a random player wound up recruited. But I doubted Eggman would have redirected someone onto himself, so he seemed like a low risk lynch.

[Radical Rat]

I think this counts as a perfect scumgame...

I mean, we technically lost McMenno, but it was basically just me killing instead of recruiting him, so I don't necessarily count that.

[Radical Rat]

So nice, high fives Farside and Mystery 3rd Member.

[Radical Rat]

And shout out to our wonderful moderator......... SIR CAKEZ!

Without him, none of this would have been possible. And this game was an absolute BLAST.
Kinda wanna host my own Grand/er/est Idea game now, but the modding requirements mean I'd have to run boring """""""normal""""""" and """""""balanced"""""""" games first...

[Radical Rat]

Note to self, don't accidentally hammere town bloodhound.

Who's Redirector? Damn. Cause if Redirector redirected you to someone who is already cult, then you wouldn't be able to recruit

Eggman, by POE

If he's not and someone else lied though, they can't redirect us both >:3

[Radical Rat]

Actually, recruiting Lane would be a bad idea.

If he commutes, and I get redirected to you, we get nothing, then one of us gets lynched( probably me, since your recruit is limited ), then they redirect you to the third Cultist, who would have probably shown up by not being on my wagon, then we lose.

[Radical Rat]

If Eggman does filp redirector though, go for it. I'll recruit someone else just in case, and we still win!

[Radical Rat]

If all goes according to plan, only one person alive right now has to lose.

I vote for Snake as the loser, because he's been the only one calling me Scum, and I'm Salty the Hedgehog.

[Radical Rat]

Perhaps, but by eliminating the Werewolves, he removed the biggest threat to our existence and shall be rewarded for that with copious amounts of Kool-Aid

[Radical Rat]

Lane wtf were you thinking goddamnit
I didn't even get to post, I had an inno on eagersnake.
We were 100% lynching RR on day 3.

Well evidently you weren't.

'Cause I'm still here

[Radical Rat]

thanks to rr for recruiting me even though it was pretty suboptimal

look at all those cops

anyway vedith was obvjester and gg

Yeah, I just wanted in on you and Vedith's conspiracy

[Radical Rat]

You probably should have redirected me onto myself every night, force me to play alone.

[Radical Rat]

Oh yeah, the Loyal modifier...

Yeah, nevermind then, you guys were screwed by only having Mafia cops.

[Radical Rat]

Oh yeah, the Loyal modifier...

Yeah, nevermind then, you guys were screwed by only having Mafia cops.

But only Titus was scum :/

I mean the only Cops, aside from Shadow who never claimed for you, gave Mafia/Not Mafia results.

[Radical Rat]

Shouldn't I win as I join all 3rd parties?

Cult is no mere third party though.

I guess you could have won with Vedith though?

[Radical Rat]

Shouldn't I win as I join all 3rd parties?

Cult is no mere third party though.

I guess you could have won with Vedith though?

After actually going back to read the UrScum stuff, I think third parties when with you when they get endgamed, not you win with them.

[Radical Rat]

McMenno was mean to me in the graveyard D: