Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

okay thor is scum lmao

[Dwlee99]

thor read the setup >___>

[Dwlee99]

Like, let's say we could get mod confirmed color results on everyone right this second - would it solve the game?

Not completely, but it would be helpful.

[Dwlee99]

Then shouldn't you vote me?

Can you explain Sotty's self lynch plan?

Katsuki is confirmed scum

[Dwlee99]

Then shouldn't you be voting them?
How are they confirmed scum?

I'm not ready for day to end??
And one sec

[Dwlee99]

[quote="In post 1964, Sotty7"]
Katsuki = RED
Dwlee = PURPLE
irainavp = WHITE
wingback =BLACK
Zulfy= RED
Sotty = ???
/quote]
Sotty claims to have been colored last night. There can only be 5 color changes in the game. This means out of the people we have colors for one has to be their true color. Zulfy is dead and flipped town, and the other 3 of us are a mix of colors. This means katsuki started the game red.

[Dwlee99]

wait shouldn't we have the colors of 6 people?

[Dwlee99]

nvm

[Dwlee99]

Yes it does.
It does prove katsuki started out as red.
And I don't think that sotty is fake claiming and kraska was pie's strongest town read AND they crumbed their role when they replaced in.

[Dwlee99]

Katsuki = RED
Dwlee = PURPLE
irainavp = WHITE
wingback =BLACK
Zulfy= RED
Sotty = ???
No one starts as not blue/red.
So that means that three of the nights scum colored someone are already gone
Katsuki = RED
Zulfy= RED
Sotty = ???
zulfy was town and he flipped red, so he had to have been painted
Katsuki = RED
Sotty = ???
So that is nights one - four that we know one of those four people are colored.
And sotty claims to have been colored last night so that means that katsuki is the one in the list who has NOT been colored, meaning they started out as red, ergo katsuki is scum.

[Dwlee99]

I AM TRUSTING PIE'S READ ON SOTTY

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, - you don't think scum could have started a different color?

You're not understanding
Town would have had to start out as red for katsuki to be town. The other 3 people who have color flips were not blue and not red so they had to have been changed. This mean's katsuki STARTED THE GAME AS RED.
If katsuki was town who started the game as red she'd have claimed it at the start of the game.

[Dwlee99]

I AM TRUSTING PIE'S READ ON SOTTY

Okay, so both of your confirmed reads are based on your personal value call of Pie's read as well as your mod theory.

Does Pie have a high quality of history in reading Sotty?

you're scum omg

[Dwlee99]

If katsuki was town who started the game as red she'd have claimed it at the start of the game.

thor is scum holy fuck

[Dwlee99]

Oh hey I flipped red! XD

THIS IS KATSUKI BEING SURPRISED AT FLIPPING RED!!!!
THIS MEANS SHE IS SCUM BECAUSE WE KNOW SHE STARTED THE GAME AS RED

[Dwlee99]

town!thor doesn't come into the game and just ask a bunch of dumb questions

[Dwlee99]

I don't think that scum would have a godfather that wasn't blue.

[Dwlee99]

town!thor doesn't come into the game and just ask a bunch of dumb questions

What the hell are you even smoking?

I dont do drugs

[Dwlee99]

Name me one contribution to the thread thor as done? None
He has sat here and asked meaningless questions ever sine he replaced in so he can look busy. It is a joke

[Dwlee99]

Do you think all scum started red and all town started blue?

Judging by the setup that is within the realm of possibility, and certainly within Ockham's for any given town/scum.

That's actually the point of his question - by what evidence do you presume town are auto start blue and scum auto start red?

This stood out
but think about:
his weird reluctance to claim, insisting he found the massclaim first
his complete lack of anything of content
posting dumb questions
obvscum

[Dwlee99]

Is there any evidence that scum can't change their color to blue?
And why would scum change any color to anything other than blue or red?

THOR
LOOK AT THE COLOR FLIPS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW
NONE OF THEM ARE BLUE
THIS POST IS MEANINGLESS!!!!

[Dwlee99]

Thor is calling me scum for not voting him yet in

lylo

when we have near confscum in katsuki >_>

[Dwlee99]

Thor reads are also diametrically opposed to mine zzz

[Dwlee99]

I'm only saying near confscum because I'm freeing myself from all guilt if somehow there is a godfather

not

colored blue or somehow sotty is scum.

[Dwlee99]

The smart scum play would have been to change as many players to red as possible to make the endgame be all red.
Or all blue, either way - the goal would be to take the most expeidient path to make the color flip info meaningless which would be the red path, but let's presume scum are dumb.
There is zero value in changing a town player to purple, black, white, or fuscia if the only end goal of those colors is to confuse.

Unless scum can't change colors from blue to red and vice versa - which the flip info does not appear to support.
Which is making me wonder if they got caught out with the purple, causing a shift in optimal play choice.
Timing wise that appears to make sense with the single red flip from a town and no blue scum flips.

Insert your next rant below.

P sure last game scum had a one shot of their colors. So they have to choose different paints for each player. They couldn't go all red or all blue cause of the x-shot on colors.

[Dwlee99]

Like, say I'm scum and you're town - why would I want to change your color to purple, as opposed to changing it to red?

cause u already changed zulfy

[Dwlee99]

are you saying that you know how the paint mechanics have worked this whole time and yet you were acting completely oblivious to it earlier to try to do a pseudo town slip?
and the optimal strat would be to paint over everyone as a different color, not just scum

[Dwlee99]

Sotty is advancing a concept of wanting to lynch himself to figure out his color to figure out my alignment.
Like...if I was town, and I wanted to figure out Thor - I can't conceive of thinking that a self lynch would be the easiest answer option.
A lynch of who you want to figure is the easiest option.
It makes no sense.

If colors can change and have no relevance to alignment - why does any of it matter?

Like, let's say we could get mod confirmed color results on everyone right this second - would it solve the game?
If yes, why do you need to be flipped to learn about another color?
If no, why do you care about the other color?

P sure last game scum had a one shot of their colors. So they have to choose different paints for each player. They couldn't go all red or all blue cause of the x-shot on colors.

You are wrong, scum had infinite red paint and only one shot of blue paint last game.
If you think scum only had one shot of blue - who did they use it on?
If you think scum had no blue and only one red shot, wouldn't the optimal strategy be to start immediately painting over red - with, say, purple?

sounds kinda like someone was reading a scum chat and educated themselves on the scum's purpose of painting me purple lol

[Dwlee99]

katsuki has voted ira for two days straight, plenty of time for scum to come in and quick hammer if katsuki and ira are town.
I'm done with this blubbering discourse
VOTE: katsuki

[Dwlee99]

^ l-1

[Dwlee99]

are you saying that you know how the paint mechanics have worked this whole time and yet you were acting completely oblivious to it earlier to try to do a pseudo town slip?
and the optimal strat would be to paint over everyone as a different color, not just scum

Nothing suggested that I was trying to town slip - do you see something suggestive of that?

you came off trying to seem ignorant to the way the paint worked in order to seem town. just a bad vibe i got

Why is the optimal strategy to paint over everyone, as opposed to painting all town red or all scum blue?

we've been over this
a limited amount of paint would mean that scum would be unable to just paint everyone red

While we're at it, I would still like you to back up your theory that all town started as blue and all scum started as red. That is required for your conf scum claim (now shifted to mostly confirmed, natch) on Kat to make sense, yeah?

zzz
NO TOWN CLAIMED TO HAVE STARTED RED
Katsuki has claimed that they started out as blue!
THEY CLAIMED TO START AS BLUE
but they didn't start blue. They started red >_>

sounds kinda like someone was reading a scum chat and educated themselves on the scum's purpose of painting me purple lol

Kind of an odd dodge of the questions I asked you.
So your theory is scum painted you purple because the logical move for scum to do would be to paint themselves purple, so they did it to you to set you up?

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I didn't really read the entire argument for why it is "optimal" but that would probably be a good reason to do so

[Dwlee99]

Neither bit of info actually answers my question as to why you presume all town started as blue and all scum as red - you were even discussing a scum godfather a while ago, which doesn't appear to exist, and also are not discussing any idea of scum having blue paint or not.

if there is a scum godfather I think that the godfather would have started as blue as opposed to some other color. and AGAIN, it doesn't FUCKING MATTER if scum have blue paint. CAUSE NONE OF THE COLOR FLIPS THAT CONFIRM KATSUKI AS SCUM WERE BLUE!!!!
!!!!!

[Dwlee99]

I think that the goofy colors suggests a lack of blue paint.
I think by town being made red without claiming it suggests bad town play or scum with at least some red capability.
If I was scum, and couldn't make myself blue, and had limited ability to make town red, my goal to protect from paint investigation would be to early limit the possibility of a red paint check, and to also kill blue paint flips.
Scum appears to be following at least half of this strategy.
For you to be town, what is your theory for why they didn't follow the first half?

I just realized how bullshit this entire argument is. Cause I could have been painted night 1, night 2 or night 3. We know katsuki started the game as red, but it is possible that one of the scum painted themselves night 1 night 2 or night 3 (you and ira are both still alive who have flipped non-blue and non-red). So the only thing you're saying is that one of the scum painted themselves not blue or not red nights 1 - 3 which no fucking duh all of the people who could be scum flipped non-blue and non-red.

[Dwlee99]

lol do u have a google extension that changes shit to smurf
anyway though, I don't think that both of the scum would have painted themselves on night 1 and 2.

[Dwlee99]

Katsuki started the game as red. (This is confirmed as sotty cannot be scum unless katsuki is scum)
The only possible way katsuki could be town is if you think that scum started with a godfather who wasn't blue which makes no sense.

[Dwlee99]

can we lynch da scumzTM yet

[Dwlee99]

Katsuki is confirmed scum to ira and I and should be to sotty so idk what is happening

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Aristophanes
DEADLINE WAGON GOOOO

can we just call me conftown for this post and let me decide if it is ira or thor tomorrow please

[Dwlee99]

If you have a history of not bussing, we sure can.

Well I kinda have a history of bussing lol

[Dwlee99]

katsuki self-hammer so your partner doesn't have to

[Dwlee99]

well, it could be ira.

[Dwlee99]

sotty katsuki is legit confirmed scum to you right now I'm so confused what you are doing

[Dwlee99]

katsuki has voted ira for two days straight, plenty of time for scum to come in and quick hammer if katsuki and ira are town.
I'm done with this blubbering discourse
VOTE: katsuki

This is a scumslip because it assumes that he is scum-aligned.

If Dwlee99 was assuming himself to be town-aligned, the game would already be lost if Katsuki was town-aligned, even if I was scum-aligned...

The fact that he says this shows that he misused logic because of knowledge of his alignment.

what?
...
you're

[Dwlee99]

the vote count was
Katsuki (1) - Ira
Ira (1) - Katsuki
Not voting - Dwlee, Thor, Sotty

how does me being town confirm katsuki as scum there?

[Dwlee99]

:facepalm:

[Dwlee99]

They want to hear more from katsuki which will just be WIFOM anyway once she flips scum

[Dwlee99]

It's wasting time

[Dwlee99]

zzz

[Dwlee99]

I'M IMPATIENT because you STARTED THE GAME RED and now you're confirmed scum to my because I'm town on your wagon.

[Dwlee99]

Katsuki: Im not confirmed scum cause I started the game read cause I would have painted myself blue!!!
WHAT IF THERE IS NO BLUE PAINT??
SOTTY, KATSUKI FYPOV SHOULD BE CONFIRMED TO HAVE STARTED THE GAME RED
THE ONLYYYY WAY that katsuki could be town fypov would be that scum started with a purple or (white?) godfather which is the stupidest shit ever. The only purpose a godfather would have is to avoid being caught as scum by the color flips and yet if someone color flipped as fucking white or purple on day 1 they would almost certainly be lynched.

[Dwlee99]

YOU ARE CONFIRMED TO HAVE STARTED RED THERE ISNT A STINKING NONBLUE GODFATHER IN THE GAME

[Dwlee99]

Not to mention ira and I are totally unable to be partners cause you can see him setting up to mislynch be tomorrow by claiming that I scum slipped!

[Dwlee99]

Ira has no reading comprehension skills confirmed^

[Dwlee99]

I've already explained why it is confirmed

like a billion times

[Dwlee99]

Katsuki = RED
Dwlee = PURPLE
irainavp = WHITE
wingback =BLACK
Zulfy= RED
Sotty = ???
No one starts as not blue/red.
So that means that three of the nights scum colored someone are already gone
Katsuki = RED
Zulfy= RED
Sotty = ???
zulfy was town and he flipped red, so he had to have been painted
Katsuki = RED
Sotty = ???
So that is nights one - four that we know one of those four people are colored.
And sotty claims to have been colored last night so that means that katsuki is the one in the list who has NOT been colored, meaning they started out as red, ergo katsuki is scum.

there wouldn't be a non-blue colored godfather in the game, end of story.

[Dwlee99]

there i did

[Dwlee99]

It is simple setup spec..
Why would cheetory put a godfather in the game that was defaulted to be a non-blue color? He wouldn't. This means that the alternate colors had to be assigned over night, proving that katsuki started red

[Dwlee99]

gg

[Dwlee99]

lol no
I'm still town
Now to determine if those reactions were genuine

[Dwlee99]

yea it's probz ira, for more reason than one

[Dwlee99]

Yea it did feel p real.

[Dwlee99]

Probz ira. Thor's response to me fake claiming scum in twilight felt real.

[Dwlee99]

Eh I guess I'll wait for thor to check in and (hopefully) not quickhammer me in case you are town and change your mind before he comes here.

[Dwlee99]

omg -facepalm-

[Dwlee99]

I thought I was actually hammered there after your scum claim. This has got to be the most embarrassing way to lose mafia LOL
VOTE: thor

[Dwlee99]

At least I saw right about katsuki/wingback, at least when not discussing VCA. They both seemed for some reason to be voting the same wagon and I guess in hindsight it makes sense them following their votes around.

[Dwlee99]

I'm still cracking up holy shit thor you fucked up

[Dwlee99]

Yea that was hilarious LOL

[Dwlee99]

my overwhelming amount of prayer for this to end in a town win was answered!

there was much cheering in the dead PT over the course of the last 3 or so hours. also, dwlee, I love you.

GJ Dwlee

I'm not sure what I did.. but uh thanks lol

[Dwlee99]

Pissed*
Anyway gg sorry dwlee and chaos, my perception of the game was COMPLETELY skewed after dwlee's flip
Thanks for moddinf cheetory ^_^

it's fine, I probably would have been suspect of the purple flip too
@Cheet: Thanks for modding, broski, was fun.

[Dwlee99]

I felt like ira was town but I was never really sure as I find ira ridiculously difficult to read. In machiavellian mafia I tunneled him despite evidence he was town as I couldn't imagine town making those posts. It was like a huge derp in every single post. I'm sorry for any hurtful thing I may have said to you, ira. This game can get heated and your play has managed to infuriate me every game we've played haha. No hard feelings?