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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:22 am

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Bibbity bobbity boop

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Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:22 am

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Everyone make sure they get an alliance we only got 2 days.

I'm now currently accepting applications.

We townblock hard. We townblock strong.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:55 am

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In post 9, Not Chara wrote:ok. ally with me then. do i need references? i haven't updated my resume in a decade.
nope application accepted, please be patient we'll call you within the next few weeks possibly sooner
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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:57 am

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In post 11, Firebringer wrote:I have to decline this, the homeworld gems have already gave me a good offer.
So are you volunteering to be the one person who doesn't end up in a pair or what are you accomplishing with this post.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:04 am

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Oh that makes his post go from zero sense to understandable gibberish.

Hi Farside.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:07 am

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Plot twist.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:08 am

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Also farside I'm not sure what you're talking about?

I was confirming my pre-in in the signup thread.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:10 am

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In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I am in a masonry with SirCakez
so idk how reliable your claim is o.o

~Bee
Why isn't two pairs of masons conceivable?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:11 am

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I'm not trying to try.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:13 am

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OKAY makes sense I can understand your confusion farside.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:15 am

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beeboy did you miss my question

pedit: just chilling honestly gonna cook out

pedit: cakes might be scum
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Post Post #54 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:18 am

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In post 47, McMenno wrote:hey beeboy and cakez what's your flavor
Don't claim flavor.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:19 am

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Yea fire we got it.

This is time for us to setup alliances and hunt a bit.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:23 am

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From the very little I've skimmed of the setup and my knowledge of the last game. Claiming flavor just let's scum know what the more powerful roles are.

Just so we're all on the same page.

I didn't like the mcmenno post either.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:47 am

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Straight up.

If your hood's not 100 pages long you're not doing it right.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:55 am

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yea chara let's ally you seem town
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Post Post #92 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:56 am

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Been a while cerb.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:00 am

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why's rr scum creature?
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Post Post #99 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:01 am

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In post 93, Reasonably Rational wrote:How have you been?
great man just chillin yo

i still have zero flavor knowledge im like the worst kind of person
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Post Post #102 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:02 am

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you really just had to page top that
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Post Post #119 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:12 am

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Titus are you scum?
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Post Post #377 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:48 pm

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Mastin let's ally.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:57 pm

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Klingon is scum.

Obiwan is scum.

RR might be scum.

Chara could be scum.

And there's 8 people who need to get vig'd already.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:00 pm

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Okay maybe not 8.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:22 pm

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RR's back to townish there's something from them earlier I just remembered that I liked.

scumpool is obi/kling/kraska/cakes rn
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Post Post #386 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:25 pm

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In post 128, Reasonably Rational wrote:SC, Obi-Wan: Neither of you responded to my very selective ally invitation.

-Cerb
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Post Post #389 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:32 pm

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I think you could spin buddying to the initial post but the mindset of wondering why you didn't respond to him felt town.

Who's scum titus?
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Post Post #397 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:29 pm

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I'm not sure hold on.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:38 pm

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Alliances:
grapes/chara
fire/shiro
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skybird/foxbird
cakes/a50
yume/farside

Unaligned:
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Post Post #399 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:45 pm

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is grapes gonna need to play matchmaker with the lurkfucks or what people?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:09 pm

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Klingon I find it weird that obi and I both called you scum last page and you didn't OMGUS us. What are your thoughts on that thought?
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Post Post #407 (isolation #31) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:12 pm

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Or rather. Made no response to it at all.

And could you wait a minute?
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Post Post #418 (isolation #32) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:23 pm

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In post 411, Klingoncelt wrote:I must have missed your read. I'm not Scum, but why do you think I am?


And Firebringer is making a bad name for himself. I think he's Scum.
I didn't like the question you asked me but I don't really feel that strongly about it anymore.

Why do you think fire is scum?
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Post Post #448 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:24 am

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In post 442, farside22 wrote:Is this serious?
Kling towned up kinda after a couple bad posts.

both heads of obi read scum that's where my vote would be that reads dead serious

all around probably need more time from rr cuz there's some things i like and some stuff that's bad like his last post this page

chara i go back and forth on but im good at sorting people in hoods so we'll see how that goes
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Post Post #552 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:51 am

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In post 501, kraskaesque wrote:grape's reads are shit, havent decided if that's scum yet
Okay big guy.

1) Tell me what my reads are
2) Tell me which ones you disagree with and why
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Post Post #561 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:27 am

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In post 553, kraskaesque wrote:that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first
Wow it's almost like you called them shit just to call them shit because it doesn't seem like you were ready/willing to have a conversation about this.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:30 am

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that's normally when you ask for clarification instead of outright discredit someone
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Post Post #573 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:53 pm

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In post 565, kraskaesque wrote:
In post 564, grapes wrote:that's normally when you ask for clarification instead of outright discredit someone
whats wrong with discrediting baseless reads? for instance, our iso was just film-talk at the time you made that post
and if you were echoing farfar on our reach out post(which was only fooling around anyway) being icky, then people had even pointed out that seasonfinale isnt endgame by that time. i dont remember who else was in your scum pool rn but i didnt see where the other reads came from either. it looked like busywork
Yea here's my issue. That thing you just did.
You're subscribing a bunch of random thought processes to what you think I based my reads on (and, spoilers, none of those things are reasons why I called the people scum that I did).

And circling back to your initial post where you called them shit; that's at least a bit more consistent than what you're pedaling here - that you actually care about how I got there. But that was about an hour or 2 ago before you realized that grapes is a real one and you can't get away with running your mouth.

You want my reasoning on my reads because you need something to grapple with. Because you don't have substance of your own on what you disagreed with. You're out for appearances.

You're scum.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:57 pm

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Nope.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:25 pm

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Who doesn't have an alliance set up?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #40) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:31 pm

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I don't know how much time is left but would it be a bad idea to have leftover people target allies based on who they're closest to in the activity overview or something? Just in case not everyone shows up on time?
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Post Post #582 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:38 pm

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Why what?
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Post Post #585 (isolation #42) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:40 pm

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Yea pretty much.

More alliances is more fun. And seems pro-town as well.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:23 pm

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@DGB
Think of it like a Day Zero.

There's also a mechanic to alliance with someone but you need to target mutually.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #44) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:13 am

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VOTE: RR
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:50 pm

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Gonna grab some breakfast then catch up.
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:57 am

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So far my scummish pile is foxbird/shiro/klingon. They all feel like they're coasting and I haven't seen much from them that gives me any reason to think that they're trying solve the game at all.

Klingon is the worst because she's made the most posts and they've all been noise outside of a few bad questions and a forced SR on fire which doesn't feel like something she believes in.

--

kraskaesque is still scum because the only thought process readily in their iso is that thing about mcmenno which a lot of people have already said is pretty black and white.

like that's it as far as depth of thought goes with regards to scumhunting. which is strange because they have given a readslist (with all townreads ftr, which is already yuck)

A line in here that I did kinda like at first glance; calling out RR and obi for assuming scum-motive to misinterpreting what "lone scum" meant, which sorta starts the car a bit as far as getting a sense that they're thinking about the game, but the thought doesn't really go anywhere.

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Not chara's probscum like anyone who thinks that obi looks worse from the back nforth is either bad or scum. tvt is a believable stance. definitely didn't like chara's questioning of almost seen here:
In post 642, Not Chara wrote:why is grapes not very towny to you, and why is Rational not scum to you?
Just doesn't feel like how town goes about trying to get a read on someone. It's a boring reverse engineer of Almost's question that starts the dialogue at around the same place it already was when almost asked the question to the rest of the game.

feel like town explains their reads here (being two stances that they are partial to)

And there's a lot of lame questions in the iso that are easy to ask, plus the fluff which I believe makes the high engagement less impressive.
I'm struggling to see where they're coming from on the obi read as well. The push just feels strictly reactionary

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Don't like RR much. They haven't made their presence known at all and I found the early push on firebringer bad.
In post 259, Reasonably Rational wrote:ROFL. In what universe has Titus ever trusted me, unless she was scum and knew I wasn't (Steven Universe)? Titus has literally had mountains of evidence that I am town (even including a cop clear once) across dozens of games, and still insisted on scumspecting me. There's literally no universe where anyone sane actually would suggest Titus would trust me (and therefore trust us) without an absurd amount of good reason to do so. And you know that.

You got some 'splainin to do firebringer.
This feels fake to me.
and an angle scum probably take tbh. The classic; you're wrong about something, paragraph about why you're wrong.
And what exactly is firebringer supposed to explain here? It's literally just a difference of opinion on experience with how another player goes about the game. He's asking him to dig his own grave pretty much.

Transitions into a full scumread with ever evolving shallow reasons. "You're trying to look town" "You're making up reasons"

The conviction to the read feels too strong for what the conversation is about.

A lot of talking about games that aren't this one. Like a whole shitton.
In post 666, Reasonably Rational wrote:Holy shit you were in that game?

I quite literally remember nothing about you from that game.
Found an un-vetted post.

Says the same thing twice.

Iso also has a good amount of pandering exessevily to obi/mastin.
All around selfish-vibe going on here with cerb specifically.
Shiro is only scumread. Shiro shows up to interact and response is the most previous quote.
Not - "what's your reads" "what do you think about my read on you" - or etc.
Just "pretend people are scumreading you for silly reasons" - end of conversation
In post 840, Reasonably Rational wrote:So is this purely you insulting mastin and Yume, or does this mean you firmly disagree with mastins scumread on NC?
Obvious question that cerb would like answered but doesn't care what the answer is.

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Sircakes has just been blatant scum all game and I'm down for a wagon there but I'd like some people to explain what RR's done that's town to them.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:38 am

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mastin2/Yume/farside22/Obi-Wan Kenobi/Creature/SnarkySnowman/killthestory/randomidget/McMenno/Skybird/Almost50

Seraphim/CooLDoG/Firebringer/DrippingGoofball

TheWayItEnds/Xkfyu/Foxbird/Shiro/Klingoncelt

kraskaesque/Not Chara/Reasonably Rational/SirCakez
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:17 am

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Or...

Or.

Maybe when more than one person sees something. Might mean there's something there.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:39 am

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In post 1066, Almost50 wrote:Maybe, but that's not how it seems to be. Try asking the 4th of 5th person to place X in the town pile and/or Y in the scum pile and see if you have a convincing argument.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I think it's just one of those things where people don't notice your stances until you put them all in one place. Which is to be expected in a game this large.

I also don't know what your scumreads are. Work on that.
farside22 wrote:So why do you think SirCakez is blantenly scum?
Nothing he's said has felt genuine and a lot of his thoughts are surface level.

Even very early game I thought his tone felt off and his stances are hard to follow. Like his menno read is for fishing and he's stayed far too sticky and confident there considering mcmenno has done some town things.

Obi-wan vote was pretty bad. It's either scum fanning the flames of a tvt or cakes sawing for chara.
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:50 am

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In post 1073, farside22 wrote:So gut.
Why is snarky town then? His reads are surface level reads that are senseless.
If you say too scummy to be scum I'm going to vote you.

You were in the last SU if I remember correctly. What makes rr different from that game?
No. It's more than gut for sure.

Snarky is town because gut and I don't think he makes a push on you as scum. Like his vibe too.
He's also like the only person in the entire game who had the balls to call me scum.

Well that's like year old meta, so. Hard to say because I don't really remember.
Why do you think RR's town?
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #51) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:55 am

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It's not anymore.
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:13 am

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Meh.

I feel like most of the townreads on me that weren't people who would probably know how to read me weren't very justified. I thought snarky's line "grapes is like nullscum at best" felt genuine cuz that's where I'd expect a town-him to be at going by whatever odd shit I posted so far.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #53) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:14 am

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Are you going somewhere with this conversation?
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:39 am

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In post 1085, Xkfyu wrote:I've never liked the "No scum in their right mind would ever call me scum without fear, so he must be town" mentality, which is what it sounded like.

But now you're saying that it's just because his read felt genuine?
Yes there was a bit more process behind it than I initially alluded to. I'm blunt for effect sometimes.
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #55) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:57 am

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:roll:

Why do you think I'm scum farside?
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #56) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:01 am

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May not be the best idea to draw conclusions here based on varsoon's last couple games.
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #57) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:13 am

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In post 1094, farside22 wrote:Why don't you ask snarky why he finds you scum?
Is it scummy to care more about certain people's opinions?
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #58) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:18 am

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If any of my townreads are down. Would like a new ally.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #59) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:25 am

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In post 1102, farside22 wrote:Sure is cupcake.
You just called a play town for calling you null scum and admitted your play hadn't been town.
True story.
Not when one is a driveby nullscum read said to make a point and another is after a time when I've laid out my world and there's more for people to tap into wrt their read on me.
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:25 am

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In post 1105, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Grapes, work the shit out with Farside tvym.
Trying yo.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:26 am

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In post 1108, Not Chara wrote:please respond to me instead of deriding me here, thank you.
No no let's talk about your obi read here.
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:29 am

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In post 1113, farside22 wrote:This is very untrue.
Kraska listed town reads, pointed to a few things they noted .
This is where the misunderstanding comes in; what we pass for genuine thought processes may be held to different standards.

Can you iso kraska and quote all the instances where they give a process on their reads that isn't surface level?
And how many are there?
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Post Post #1119 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:33 am

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That's another fucking issue chara. Interactions in the hood don't feel particularly real because it's the same deal.

Why are you so put out to talk about where your vote is at?
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #64) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 1117, Creature wrote:grapes
what
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #65) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:36 am

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Creature I think you're town what are you talking about?
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:54 am

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I mean until their entire scumpool flips town it's kinda tough to make a case out of that.

I thought they were scum pretty strongly early on because beeboy felt plastic and his "gut townread" on me felt awkward. But I reread the game and totally missed where he responded to my question about the mason's thing and saying "wouldn't that be a boring way to balance" felt like an off the cuff response enough to alleviate me thinking I got dodged before.


Titus didn't really have the best start either and a lot of their posts came off robotic and couldn't understand why I was catching so many scumvibes and nobody else was pushing anything but it was probably because nobody was really scumhunting seriously and it's harder for titus to get reads from fluff.

But I think once they got scumreads and started pushing shit the moonlogic came out and they started to look pretty town.

Also i think beeboy's chimed in a few times with some townreads that lacked substance but had strength. And the strenght + the stances at the time hit home for me enough.
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:56 am

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Snarky farside is obvtown.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #68) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:01 am

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In post 934, SirCakez wrote:First off
VOTE: Obi
In post 681, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 680, SirCakez wrote:Yume always prod dodges until eventually getting replaced
That too. I don't understand why s/he's not banned.
*off topic*
She has a game restriction on her main but not on her alt which is stupid.
*end off topic*
In post 703, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:VOTE: Creature

Hi. Come play.
In post 716, Xkfyu wrote: VOTE: Creature
These votes reek. Creature is like perfect null right now.
In post 749, SnarkySnowman wrote:VOTE: Farside
Wtf?
In post 754, SnarkySnowman wrote:I'll go bullet points.

early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
"oh wait being a mason is a joke"
"I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
**Cakez note
farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys
Can you translate this?
How is she calling Obi scum for doing the same thing as her?

Got like 7 more pages to read but wanted to dump this
farside what's town about this^
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:07 am

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Yea I think you're pocketed.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:10 am

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In post 1159, Not Chara wrote:grapes: what is towny about calling your scumreads town without substance? mafia can call town players town. it's actually a requirement.

also: "all of their scumreads would have to flip town to make the argument that they're easy lynches to make"?
I don't know what you're getting at with the first line.

I was telling creature his point on obi having an opportunistic scumpool doesn't really work before flips.
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #71) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:11 am

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In post 1164, farside22 wrote:
In post 1162, grapes wrote:Yea I think you're pocketed.
:?:
You're ignoring an opportunistic vote + a bunch of surface level commentary to cover it up. And hyperfocusing on the part where he questions a scumread on you.

You tell me.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #72) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:28 am

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In post 1132, kraskaesque wrote:Can you explain how we conveniently ended up in your early scum pool after far called us scum? Also you just called your iso odd shit and said snarky is justified in Sr you. Yet when I call your reads shit you flip out
Reminder that you also said your scum read didn't stem from our early allying reach out post, so I would like to know where it came from given that our iso was contentless at the time
Started out really gut based - then I never saw anything town from you after that. I feel like scum are more likely to exclusively fluff post in what's essentially rvs when they've got an excuse (firebringer) to. Obviously not strong enough to yell about.

The rest is a "why me" statement + repeating essentially the same question.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #73) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:29 am

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Seraphim who's scum?
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #74) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:31 am

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Not Chara is obvscum.
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #75) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:45 am

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Gonna respond to cerb and we'll see if I'm tempted to move after I do.
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #76) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:19 am

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In post 1069, Reasonably Rational wrote:I have a job which is not at a computer now and just moved to a new city and am thus going out of my way to do things and go out. I have been MUCH less of a "presence" as you said in my recent games. I still post quite a bit, but there's been a definite drop since your last time playing with me...and since I'm generally the primary head active in thread for this hydra, that means we're simply not around as much.
You don't need to post frequently to make your presence known.
In post 1069, Reasonably Rational wrote:You do realize that me even talking about ONE read this early in a game is EXTREMELY uncharacteristic. The standard "doesn't have reads, must be scum" argument isn't relevant when applied to me. Think back on your previous experience with me. Now, you could be suspicious of me BECAUSE I was actually willing to establish and share a read, and that would be understandable ( and something I couldn't answer, since I'm only establishing reads this game because of redacted about redacted), but the current reason is not.
I didn't say you having one scumread was scummy. The way you interacted with that read is scummy.
In post 1069, Reasonably Rational wrote:I tend to only develop early scumreads based on obvious contradictions/inconsistencies. I haven't NOTICED any of those yet (other than the mastin ally thing, but considering it causee something that makes her 99% town, it's clearly not an inconsistency caused by scum lies). Why is this relevant? Because there was nothing like that which caused that read. The ONLY reason why I had any suspicions of him was due to a difference in playstyle from what I've seen before, and he immediately showed up and told me there was a game I had played with him before where his play was similar. That means I actually had *no* reason to be suspicious of him in the first place, and thus said suspicion dissolved.
And this is suppose to convince me that the read was real in the first place?
In post 1069, Reasonably Rational wrote:What did you mean by "unvetted post"?
A post that isn't reviewed.
In post 1069, Reasonably Rational wrote:Regarding Drixxs push on FB: FB was with us in SD2. He *should* be aware of the massive rift that formed in that game due to Titus' hydra and our hydra having extreme levels of paranoia about one another. There's not the same DEPTH of experience regarding the interactions between Titus and ourselves that we personally have of course,, but that point about our history should be well known to him. I agree that the rest of his push was a stretch.
I've NEVER actually seen fire this involved, as either alignment so I'm not sure what to think..sorta like the thing with the beeboy head of OWK. Non standard behaviors from both those slots, but the behaviors differ from their playstyle, not their scum or town meta in particular.
What's off to you about beeboy's playstyle so far? Not posting as much?

Why do you keep trying to answer for drixx about that push? Nothing gets accomplished here, why is this a thing that people think is good for games?
If I'm wrong, talking to me about why I think you're scum isn't gonna make me see that.

I called you scum a lot in prequel too and like I flat out just called one of your posts bad and you don't respond to it.
Nothing about you feels right and I think you're scum.
And I don't know a place to engage you from because you have no world to compare to at the present time.
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #77) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:19 am

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tl;dr do something town
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #78) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:20 am

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In post 1189, Seraphim wrote:I am really not sure what people are seeing in Not Chara as scum.
:/
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #79) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:22 am

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In post 1188, Not Chara wrote:to anyone thinking of allying with grapes: you will not receive any bonuses you would normally get from allying with a player. and no, no need to bother checking. grapes never said this in the thread. or anywhere. i was told by Varsoon when our alliance was created. grapes' name was not specifically mentioned, but i have a hard time believing the cause was anything other than their role.

VOTE: grapes

pedit: ha.
lol

Scumfucks voting me for role based on an assumption.

VOTE: Not Chara
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #80) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:24 am

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Help me make this die please.
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #81) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:26 am

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Why didn't this shit come up beginnign of the day?

Nah, scumfuck waits until he's sure he's not gonna weasel his way out of me scumreading him.
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #82) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:30 am

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Exactly.

It's why I was down to ally with a scumread.

And asked within my townreads to ally to see if I got any offers.

If chara's scum, scum aren't gonna offer to ally me anymore, he wanted to blow the lid off that ASAP.
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #83) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:40 am

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In post 1211, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Are you supposing scum don't have daychat in a Varsoon game?
I'm supposing that they do. Scum would know right away that offering to ally with me would risk me accepting and them losing their perks, so town would be far more likely to offer. Following me here? Just a little reaction test.

I also can force Chara to ally me from here on out. And plan to if we don't lynch it today.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #84) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:41 am

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In post 1214, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1178, grapes wrote:Not Chara is obvscum.
Go on......
Are you reading the thread?
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #85) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:43 am

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Yea it's gonna be one of those games.
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #86) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:45 am

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It was over once town knew what scum know if you're scum.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #87) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:46 am

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Lol. Wasn't talking to you fire.

Anyway, what about chara looks town to you?

Is it the scum motivated stances? The lack of paranoia? The shitty reactionary pushes?

Talk with me here.
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #88) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:50 am

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In post 1177, Not Chara wrote:i could be convinced onto a Snarky wagon depending on how he answers, but i don't think i will be happy about it.

i could wagon grapes. will join the Rational wagon in good cheer if i don't see anything else i like/no one will follow me on OWK. though i've already given up there for today, so.

grapes: are you still townreading Snarky?
This is a terrible fucking post.

It's literally talking out of all three sides of its mouth here.

I'd wagon snarky, could wagon grapes, but also don't mind that wagon grapes is pushing the loudest, oh hey grapes what's your read on snarky?

Like this kinda post just doesn't come from town I'm fucking sorry.

Reactionary pushes are on me + obi. Like reread them more in depth without your "newbs can't be scum for some reason" filter.
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #89) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:58 am

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Fukcing christ why is Titus the only other person seeing this shit?

I am inside the twilight zone.

Where's mastin?
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #90) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:03 am

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It's a body of work thing. A development thing.

Chara didn't approach his read on me from a town mindset.

He doesn't truly believe that I'm scum. He found an angle, tried to sell my role is scummy before I confirmed that was actually a function of me being in an alliance.
He was too sure that I was the cause of it.
He showed hesitation.

These are things that town don't do.
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #91) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:04 am

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In post 1241, Firebringer wrote:I see little self doubt in your own reads, which makes me nervous about you Grapes.
You don't know me then.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #92) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:14 am

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Creature why is chara town?
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #93) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:22 am

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I dunno I'm shit at explaining things so maybe that's what it is but you're not really giving me anything here and chara is screaming scum to me.

Tell me why you think they'er town outside of "genuine" or whatever you're on about.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #94) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:31 am

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How is it negative utility?

It can stop scum from getting shit. And forces them to keep not getting shit.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #95) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 1252, Reasonably Rational wrote:It looks like you're "trying" in the same way you did in SU original when we proved logically that farside was town and you hammered her and cost us the win.

Too soon?
Pretty sure what cost us the win was your hardheaded setup spec I had the game solved.

I hammered fuzzy ftr. I've never read farside wrong.
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #96) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:38 am

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In post 1252, Reasonably Rational wrote:Firebringer was wrong about something he simply shouldn't be expected to be wrong about, which makes his posts fake, which calls him into serious question. Calling me scum for pushing him on that is just weird.
Nobody is calling you scum for making a push.

Grapes is calling your push fake and over inflated.

What's your read on chara?
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #97) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:40 am

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In post 1261, Reasonably Rational wrote:Umm... let's see. You shut down people's alliance powers. There are more town than scum. Maths is apparently hard for you?
Yea so is Town roleblocker neg utility now just because there's more town than scum?

Is my witholding that part of my claim and trying to ally with scum not seem like a town motivated approach to the role?

Are you calling me scum? Can't tell drixx.
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #98) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:49 am

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Dude last SU game sonic outed me and tried to twist info and circumstance to get me lynched.

This is deja vu.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #99) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:55 am

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@Cakes
Wanna ally?
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #100) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:55 am

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Feeling better about RR.
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #101) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:51 am

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KILL CHARA
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Post Post #1328 (isolation #102) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:52 am

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cooldog you scum man?

read chara's iso is all fluffed up bullshit
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #103) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:02 am

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If we somehow don't lynch chara today I'm allying him again so he can't use his scumfuck alliance ability or w/e.
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Post Post #1371 (isolation #104) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:13 pm

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EVERYONE NOT VOTING CHARA CAKES OR RR EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE TOWN OR HOP THE FUCK OFF YOUR SHITTY VANITY WAGON THANKS
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #105) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:56 pm

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mastin2/Yume/farside22/Obi-Wan Kenobi/McMenno/Almost50/Creature/SnarkySnowman/killthestory/randomidget/Skybird/Seraphim/Firebringer

DrippingGoofball/Foxbird/TheWayItEnds/Shiro

Xkfyu/CooLDoG/Klingoncelt/kraskaesque/Reasonably Rational/SirCakez/Not Chara
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #106) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:03 am

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In post 1569, farside22 wrote:Grapes: what started your scum read on nc?
They townread me too fast. But needed to pretend to townread me for it to make sense why they were down to ally from page 1.
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #107) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:05 am

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Sera: Mcmenno is probtown because he's reading the game from a town POV.
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #108) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:23 am

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In post 1508, Not Chara wrote:okay, i'm really getting tired of this. tl;dr: grapes asked a bunch of useless questions, did not engage with me at all, and ignored almost all of my commentary about the game in favour of responding badly to all of my attempts to get anything out of them. this is after grapes said they wanted to sort me in the hood. you can see my requests for specific points against my OWK read spilling into the thread.
I woke up, responded briefly to you in the hood before I posted anywhere else on site.

I wanted

1) Your reads - in particular why you thought I was town - you still haven't given a good answer for this
2) Your reaction to being asked to claim - I didn't want your claim - I'm notorious for reading people based on play. This is documented
3) Your reaction to being pushed.

How isn't that sorting?

Like his main argument is that my focus wasn't in a hood that's open during the day.

Read my posts in the fucking Game Thread.
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #109) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:29 am

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Cakes if we're lynching chara you ally me tonight or it's a scumclaim.
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #110) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:39 am

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Not Chara is a demon, not a newb.
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #111) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:46 am

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In post 1578, SirCakez wrote:And here is someone pushing grapes right now
Yea but look who it is. LOL

I did respond and nothing about what he said went down in the hood isn't just stretched to try and make me look bad.
There's only so much I can do while being active in thread during an 8 hour period. His posts in the hood aren't town.
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #112) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:47 am

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In post 1578, SirCakez wrote:We're not lynching Chara, her reaction where she gave up was town AF
Where did they "give up"

What looked town about it?
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Post Post #1581 (isolation #113) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:49 am

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I'll give my own in depth run down of the posts actually. Since this appears to be a thing that scum think town are gonna bite into.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #114) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:25 am

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I asked him what his reads were and he threw a bunch of naked ones at me.
I told him I'd look into his obi push, realized his iso was a labryth and asked him to summarize why he they were scum in a few sentences.
He drops an entire case in there with bulletpoints.

And at that point. Between all the "can't wait to talk tonight" and "ill be around for a while" stuff.

It just wasn't a good vibe.

Asked him if he'd be willing to claim. He was townreading me but it was hard to get a sense of how strong.
Said he doesn't trust me. That's fine.

But of the questions I asked. My questions about obi seemed to illicit the most reaction. Which makes sense being his top scumread.
Titus towned up a fuck of a lot from day start and that was one of the things I noticed so figured I'd ask about it.
And I remember not resonating with his push at all. Like the things he was bringing up felt more like small forgivable slight inconsistancies that I'd make pushes for as scum. Particularly people like titus who isn't always easy to understand anyway.

My judgment call was. Yes, this push is omgus and malicious and not genuine. At that point I disengaged from the hood and put full focus in the thread on pushing my scumreads.

Later he says "you know for someone who claims to sort in hoods you sure aren't sorting me"

This is posturing.

Later finally he brings up that he didn't gain any alliance bonuses and asked me if it could have anything to do with me.

Before I can respond, he votes me in thread for concluding that my role is more likely to be a scum role.

So where from day start until then did the realization happen that he didn't get alliance bonuses because of me?


When it was the most convenient for him.
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #115) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:27 am

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Vote for Not Chara.
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Post Post #1604 (isolation #116) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:52 am

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OKAY I'm seeing what people are talking about with the cakes/menno dynamic.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #117) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:30 am

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My thought was, in the extremely unlikely event that one of chara and cakes isn't lynched today. I'd say have both of them ally me and I flip a coin or something.

And a50 could ally farside.
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #118) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:08 am

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After reading over some shit

Town - mastin2/Yume/farside22/Obi-Wan Kenobi/Almost50/Skybird/Creature/SnarkySnowman/killthestory/Seraphim/Firebringer

Meh - randomidget/DrippingGoofball/Foxbird/TheWayItEnds/Shiro/kraskaesque/CooLDoG

Scum - McMenno/Xkfyu/Reasonably Rational/Klingoncelt/SirCakez/Not Chara
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #119) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:25 am

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McMenno who's scum champ?
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #120) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:30 am

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Yea I wasn't really paying attention to you at the start because you weren't digging anywhere I didn't disagree with
and quote walls burn my eyes.

But your recent posts are bad.
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Post Post #1658 (isolation #121) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:40 am

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Scum are bussing.
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #122) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:37 pm

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That just gave me an idea, almost.
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #123) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:38 pm

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Would there be a way to get me into an alliance with the entire scumpool?
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #124) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:48 pm

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In post 1847, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1587, grapes wrote:I asked him what his reads were and he threw a bunch of naked ones at me.
I told him I'd look into his obi push, realized his iso was a labryth and asked him to summarize why he they were scum in a few sentences.
He drops an entire case in there with bulletpoints.

And at that point. Between all the "can't wait to talk tonight" and "ill be around for a while" stuff.

It just wasn't a good vibe.

Asked him if he'd be willing to claim. He was townreading me but it was hard to get a sense of how strong.
Said he doesn't trust me. That's fine.

But of the questions I asked. My questions about obi seemed to illicit the most reaction. Which makes sense being his top scumread.
Titus towned up a fuck of a lot from day start and that was one of the things I noticed so figured I'd ask about it.
And I remember not resonating with his push at all. Like the things he was bringing up felt more like small forgivable slight inconsistancies that I'd make pushes for as scum. Particularly people like titus who isn't always easy to understand anyway.

My judgment call was. Yes, this push is omgus and malicious and not genuine. At that point I disengaged from the hood and put full focus in the thread on pushing my scumreads.

Later he says "you know for someone who claims to sort in hoods you sure aren't sorting me"

This is posturing.

Later finally he brings up that he didn't gain any alliance bonuses and asked me if it could have anything to do with me.

Before I can respond, he votes me in thread for concluding that my role is more likely to be a scum role.

So where from day start until then did the realization happen that he didn't get alliance bonuses because of me?


When it was the most convenient for him.
Ok having read through this and NC's view of it, to me it just sounds like you two both developed scumreads on each other at around the same time and are now both being biased about what happened in the hood. Both of your claims of the events in the hood are the same, just with different spins on it.
I think it's highly likely this is a T v T.
This is why cakes is scum ftr.

He's quick to write this off as tvt without giving a deeper understanding of what exactly is going on here and our takes on what happened in the hood aren't very similar at all. They're different because what chara said went down isn't what went down because its scum.

In other words.

His logic is "okay these two guys both developed opportunistic scumreads on each other out of nowhere and are both twisting what was said in a hood to make the other person look bad. Feels town on town."

One, my scumread devolved on chara far earlier. Two, that doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #125) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:49 pm

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developed*
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Post Post #1878 (isolation #126) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:49 pm

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In post 1838, Firebringer wrote:
Spoiler: Klingoncelt Reads
In post 1546, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1106, Creature wrote:Anyone supports a scum!grapes?
I do.
In post 1544, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1070, Almost50 wrote:OK, Yume is widely town read. WHY? Is it bc Mastina said so and people are assuming that's got to be based on INFO rather than a normal read? Or is it bc Yume confirmed Mastina as Town?? And if the latter, what would YOU have done were you scum and got invited to a hood where it says "X is Town"?? Would you have even thought of keeping it to yourself, IF YOU WERE SCUM?

Maybe my mind is skewed, but I'm thinking in reverse. I'd keep it to myself for the time being as TOWN and see how people are treating the one I know to be conf!Town. I'd go out and air it as SCUM for Town!Cred and -maybe- as a means to pass some message to my peers.

But to each their own, and I'm inclined to treat this one issue as NAI, which brings me back to the original question: WHY has Yume become semi-confirmed after Mastina put her at the top of her reads??
Unless the Mod says so, no one is "c" to any degree.

"Obv", on the other hand, is acceptable.

Anyway, most of us were Townreading Mastin. Obv.

Mastin has an above-average accuracy at reading other players.

She puts Yume at the top of her Town list.

Yume is therefore ObvTown.
In post 1542, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1050, grapes wrote:So far my scummish pile is foxbird/shiro/klingon. They all feel like they're coasting and I haven't seen much from them that gives me any reason to think that they're trying solve the game at all.

Klingon is the worst because she's made the most posts and they've all been noise outside of a few bad questions and a forced SR on fire which doesn't feel like something she believes in.
VOTE: Grapes

Your white-knighting for Firebringer is noted.

And he is a Scumread.

Hey, Townies, my vote on Grapes is sheep-worthy.


Like here she makes a few reads.
Didn't go through her whole ISO, it was pretty empty of anything.
Would also sheep this.
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #127) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:31 pm

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I was responding to something else in the second part.

And yea no shit.
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #128) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:58 pm

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In post 1910, Creature wrote:Not Chara shows more excitation on the start.

However, it doesn't look like a scum excitation.

Scum excitation would be trying to look as helpful as possible.

But Not Chara is mostly casual.
Why are town more likely to fade out?
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Post Post #1918 (isolation #129) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:01 am

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Yea you did.

You said that exiting a 1v1 and going back to posting casually is more likely to come from town.
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #130) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:05 am

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What does scum trying hard look like?
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #131) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:16 am

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In post 1919, Creature wrote:No, I'm saying about its initial posts, they don't look like scum trying hard.
There isn't any scumhunting in his initial posts either.

And those posts you quoted are actually similar in some ways.

Who do you think is scum?
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #132) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:12 pm

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In post 2178, farside22 wrote:As for grapes I explained that his push makes no sense coming from him.
He is not an aggressive player.
That is called META.
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Post Post #2474 (isolation #133) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:04 pm

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VOTE: cakes
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #134) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:28 pm

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Agree on an xk vig.

But at least with a klingon vig we wouldn't have to read her posts anymore.
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #135) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:00 am

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Why do you think klingon's town?
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Post Post #2503 (isolation #136) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:06 am

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Yo let's lynch cakes guys.
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Post Post #2509 (isolation #137) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:09 am

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You're acting like multiple people haven't given good reasons why he's scum or something.
If there's scum in your joy trip, I think we should lynch them.
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #138) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:39 am

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There wasn't much in there that wasn't just him talking about things that he did 50 pages ago and justifying all his reads with "hood stuff". And to top it off he says RR used an insane amount of iioa in his analysis.

The kicker line is where he says that grapes v chara is tvs but that his townread on both of us weakened.
That's just something he made up after getting called out on it before and is pretty much a contradiction when you think about it.

IT's almost like he wants to scumread and townread both of us at the same time or something.
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Post Post #2522 (isolation #139) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:19 am

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Chara's still scum btw.
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Post Post #2726 (isolation #140) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:48 am

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Chara not sure what part about you being my ally bitch was difficult to understand but yea.

Actually, you allying with kraska seems like an okay alternative.

@A50, you still down?
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #141) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:45 am

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More votes on cakes please
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Post Post #2735 (isolation #142) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:19 am

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In post 2732, Xkfyu wrote:VOTE: SirCakez
hey guy

what's your scumreads?
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #143) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:19 am

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That's L-1, claim time cakey.
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Post Post #2739 (isolation #144) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:37 am

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@Varsoon
You missed shiro's vote on cakes.
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Post Post #2746 (isolation #145) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:19 am

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zzzzz
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #146) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:52 am

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okay foxbird
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Post Post #2752 (isolation #147) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:10 am

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Right. I'll ally with foxbird then.
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Post Post #3081 (isolation #148) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:49 pm

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Why do things always happen when I'm asleep?
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Post Post #3085 (isolation #149) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:53 pm

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you're strange

didn't like cakes claim

it's bagel time ill be back soon
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Post Post #3100 (isolation #150) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:21 pm

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Guys mafia is a simple game.

Lynch the scum.

Cakes claim wasn't redeeming is what I should have said.

What I didn't like is how he dropped the claim, then caught the next ticket back to lurk city.

That's not town trying to solve the game. That's scum trying to sell you something.
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Post Post #3108 (isolation #151) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:54 pm

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In post 2804, Creature wrote:It means that you can't discern town from scum just by the claim.
Sure you can. It's just more difficult.

Did you see cakes line to obi a shortwhile after the claim? "lol wouldn't be surprised if your scumrole overlapped with mine"

Isn't how town respond there. He's taking a scumread CCing him at face value.
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #152) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:04 pm

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In post 2847, Almost50 wrote:SirCakez id CONF!TOWN to me.
Listen pops. I think you're town. And shit like this means you're gonna be around for a while.

Let's show a little bit of skepticism now and again huh?
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #153) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:23 pm

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In post 3114, Klingoncelt wrote:Check my ISO against the vote counts. I voted for Gapes and for McMenno, neither one showed up. I never voted for Firebringer, did I? Hmm.
Why did you vote me and mecmenno if you knew the votes wouldn't count?
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #154) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:24 pm

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Oh you're scum that's right, nevermind carry on.
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #155) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:35 pm

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Then I guess I don't know what you mean by "didn't show up" other than you changed your vote before varsoon posted a VC. Which if that's the case I don't understand why you'd spend time talking about it seems like an open/shut kinda thing.

kling what's your read on cakes?
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #156) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:42 pm

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In post 3047, Reasonably Rational wrote:@A50: in your alliance with SC, there is mod confirmation that an effect exists which makes you both BP, correct? Basically, this is not something it is possible for SC to be lying about, unless there were some prequel phase effect which granted this modifier to your alliance(s) in particular.

Is that accurate?
-Cerb

Pedit: there was NEVER any statement made in this game by ANYONE stating that the cakez/A50 alliance existed separately from the joyride. All of A50's statements regarding the OP of alliances have been vague. There is NO reason to assume the joyride wasn't just an extension of the cakez /A50 alliance. That needed to be confirmed, as well as the joyrides status as alliance, so I could check whether or not A50 should have been able to connect the effect the joyride had with thr effect his own pt had, and thus know that it was definitely SC providing the BP.

Pedit2: So your alliance with A50 has NO MENTION of any bp granting effect, but the joyride does?
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Post Post #3124 (isolation #157) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:23 pm

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hi kraska are you allying with chara?
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Post Post #3135 (isolation #158) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:06 am

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I'm talking about YOU as a whole this game.

Arguing about why your claim is town and the semantics of how stuff went down in your hood (which sounds like the information that caused the confusion wouldn't be hard to find in the first place) isn't an impressive substitute for gamesolving.
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #159) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:09 am

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The point is; who's scum cakes?
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #160) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:13 am

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Besides obi.
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #161) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:14 am

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farside why am i your only scumread?
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Post Post #3148 (isolation #162) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:25 am

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I think you guys should make peace.
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #163) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:41 am

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In post 3150, farside22 wrote:Your not.
Who else is scum then?
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #164) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:41 am

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Last call to ally, the people are seeming restless.
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Post Post #3174 (isolation #165) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 3169, TheWayItEnds wrote:holy shit what a useless 12 pages.
what are your scumreads?
In post 3170, McMenno wrote:the peridot twitter account is clearly controlled by a player

and I'm pretty sure that that player's scum
Why?
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Post Post #3176 (isolation #166) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:48 am

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im not sure what scum flavor is, gotta see a flip first
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Post Post #3228 (isolation #167) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:08 am

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VOTE: RR
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Post Post #3241 (isolation #168) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:18 am

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Cooldog slot is scum as well.
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Post Post #3246 (isolation #169) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:21 am

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What was up with the sketchy ally thing with fire end of day chara?
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Post Post #3248 (isolation #170) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:22 am

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Speaking of alliances. I think tonight we can all do 3 way.
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Post Post #3274 (isolation #171) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:38 am

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apparently fuzzy is in this game now
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Post Post #3288 (isolation #172) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:49 am

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So you think firebringer was a vig shot then?

No way.
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Post Post #3296 (isolation #173) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:53 am

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In post 3291, McMenno wrote:what makes you think titus is implying this
That was to rr; they think there wasn't a scumkill last night.
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Post Post #3300 (isolation #174) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:54 am

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In post 3226, Varsoon wrote:Firebringer has been removed from the game as a part of an effect. This will not cause the stress to change.
AN effect meaning this could've been caused by anything. Up to a modified NK or something.
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Post Post #3322 (isolation #175) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:06 pm

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Shiro who's scum besides almost?
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Post Post #3324 (isolation #176) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:09 pm

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LOL

i bet cakes scumread all his buddies
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Post Post #3326 (isolation #177) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:09 pm

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his nulls are all town i think
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Post Post #3339 (isolation #178) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:26 pm

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In post 3337, farside22 wrote:Also if anyone is curious Cooldog never said anything in the joy ride ot.
Scum.
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Post Post #3343 (isolation #179) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:30 pm

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In post 3328, Shiro wrote:
In post 3322, grapes wrote:Shiro who's scum besides almost?
I have a soft scumread on McMenno but it isn;t some solid stuff. I felt his lurkish ways day 1 were off cause I remember him much more active and trollish as town.

I am still half half on RR.
Mcmenno didn't really lurk though?

And "still half half" on RR? That's not a scumread.
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Post Post #3353 (isolation #180) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:37 pm

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In post 3345, Shiro wrote:It is what it is as I said to him personally I am townreading cerb it just hat the few posts Drixx had rub me the wrong way, I felt Mc was lackluster yea I see now that his post count doesnt reflect it but it just felt like it to me?
Can you show me some posts from cerb you thought were town?

Also, have either of you or farside played with almost before how was the defense nonsensical?
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Post Post #3356 (isolation #181) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:38 pm

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Already have!
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Post Post #3361 (isolation #182) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:47 pm

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YEA CERB I'M HAVING A SHITLOAD OF PROBLEMS GETTING A WAGON ROLLING ON YOU LEMME GO DO UP A WALLCASE REAL QUICK OH WAIT NEVERMIND I DON'T NEED TO THIS TOWN KNOWS WHAT'S GOOD

Keep guessing why I'm scumreading you though.
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Post Post #3363 (isolation #183) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:52 pm

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In post 3359, Shiro wrote:His post by post analysis for one seemed really town but it is also a general feel i get reading his posts.
So you think that scum can't post pbpa? Is this real?

Answer me this; who ISOs a kid and comes away with, just about everything they had to say being scummy in some shape or another.
Prbably a person that knows they're isoing scum.
Shiro wrote:I played with him before. I know very well that he can appear really town alright.
No that's the thing almost is low hanging fruit in my experience. And just naturally screams scum to me that's why.
So when I see one person go at him quick from the knees and someone else step in to WK hard I'm gonna be all like. Hmm about it.
Um. Fuck what was I gonna say.
Oh yea he's probably town.
Shiro wrote:The defence is non sensical because she was making no points against me at all nor anything to defend him in any real sense. Heck he himself couldnt defend against a single thing only bash and humour me.
Mafia isn't about trapping motherfuckers into an unwinnable argument.

Unless you're scum.
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Post Post #3364 (isolation #184) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:53 pm

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In post 3362, Reasonably Rational wrote:I don't expect you to actually find reasons because they don't exist. *shrug* I was just making fun of you for demanding that other people explain unfounded town reads with specific quotes when you haven't done a particular good job of explaining unfounded scum reads with specific quotes.
Why is asking questions in a mafia game "demanding shit"

And yea I'm engaging shiro on our "differing" reads. Problem?
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Post Post #3368 (isolation #185) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:06 pm

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Okay if you're that sure then tell me why almost is scum in three sentences.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #186) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:09 pm

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In post 3371, farside22 wrote:Grumbles.

I'm going to sit and stew and do some meta research
On who?
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Post Post #3382 (isolation #187) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:24 pm

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"Don't lynch us we can do a thing with our role that looks town"

RR, who's scum?
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #188) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:02 pm

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I thought A50 chose the members of the joyride?
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Post Post #3418 (isolation #189) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 3391, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:this true..I will be the town's designated lynch bait for the game
Not this game buddy.

I think you're town.
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Post Post #3420 (isolation #190) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 3392, Reasonably Rational wrote:Farside - Super anti-town play yesterday with what she did. If you think about the implications of it and how it could have been leveraged for maximum utility, her blowing up that event was the most anti-town thing I've ever seen on the site.
Foxbird - Read the ISO. Self-explanatory.
DGB - The whole Traitor thing. Makes zero sense. DGB also moved us to firm town late yesterday but then just voted us today. Back to the traitor thing: what would make DGB think there's a traitor unless she is one? It's not a thing I remember Varsoon using before and I don't see anything in the info we have to suggest one is present. Only way DGB is town is if it was a reaction test, but if that's the case, why isn't DGB engage din the main thread doing things like that?
KC - Something was off about the response to the DGB thing. If I were KC, there's no way someone could claim to be a scum to me and live. KC barely pushed it. That isn't a town response, imo.
You - Gut. You're too smart to actually think we're scum and you are also too smart to join in on an ego push, yet you seem to be doing both.
1) You missed the part where you're suppose to explain the scum motive
2) I'm reading the iso. Need this one explained to me.
3) Is DGB one of your buddies?
4) Decent point there on klingon, though.
5) What the heck is an ego push?
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Post Post #3424 (isolation #191) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:14 pm

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Wait wait wait.

So what you're saying is that farside is pretending to think that her being put into a hood with scum lends credence to her being town in order to get town-cred. And that destorying the joyride was scum theater?

What interactions stand out to you as scum/scum wrt to farside and cakes?
I don't remember them interacting very much at all in-thread at least.
I know that it seemed like farside was townreading cakes because he was doing a lot of buddying towards her by making his stances sorta appeal to her perspective in some cases. But nothing to make me think they're buddies. Or at least nothing that blasted out to me as such.
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Post Post #3447 (isolation #192) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:34 pm

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Let's not end the day yet obviously.
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Post Post #3450 (isolation #193) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:35 pm

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The question is why did you bother making a case on obvscum?
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Post Post #3462 (isolation #194) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:44 pm

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In post 3461, Almost50 wrote:But why are we voting RR? Do you think their confusion about what was written in the opening posts of my alliances with Cakez was fake?
Yea.
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Post Post #3467 (isolation #195) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:46 pm

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Actually, seems like a mundane thing to harp on that'll make you look town later if anything.
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Post Post #3469 (isolation #196) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:47 pm

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In post 3466, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Mastina, I'm actually scumreading both Farside AND RR right now based off this interaction.
Had that thought too don't worry you're not insane.
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Post Post #3476 (isolation #197) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:54 pm

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mastin you wanna talk about chara?

That's the only read in the game that doesn't feel easy at this point.
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Post Post #3477 (isolation #198) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:54 pm

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Except the lurksacks but those at least will eventually sort themselves out.
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Post Post #3478 (isolation #199) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:57 pm

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In post 3473, farside22 wrote:Meh whatever I'll just go lurk now.
Yea this isn't the reaction I was looking for.

What happened to you scumreading me?
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