STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Yume]

I am so adding that song to my playerlist. <3

[Yume]

Everyone make sure they get an alliance we only got 2 days.

I'm now currently accepting applications.

We townblock hard. We townblock strong.

I have to decline this, the homeworld gems have already gave me a good offer.

Join me, let's drive Firebringer scum out of this game!

[Yume]

Also, watch the opening video, the song is amazing. Here is the Japanese version

[Yume]

Subliminal message go

EM HTIW YLLA, YROTSEHTHLLIK

[Yume]

I am willing to ally with RR, Obi or KTS.

[Yume]

I am willing to ally with RR, Obi or KTS.

Yume, RR and Us are already aligned.

Why KTS?

Because according to my role pm, good things happen if I ally with them.

[Yume]

Give me a tempting offer and I might reconsider. @Creature

[Yume]

KTS, come to the thread and say YES.

[Yume]

You realize that you a stupid

[Yume]

Let me guess, you joined for the sole purpose of getting me lynched? Well, ain't gonna work, Toothless.

[Yume]

Whatever, now please focus on eliminating the real evildoers.

[Yume]

You should practice versatility.

[Yume]

So who would like to ally with me?

I would be okay with that engagement

[Yume]

Is there anyone who wants to ally with me, or not?

[Yume]

And it's completed.

[Yume]

I am up for allying the second day, but I need someone for the first day, so help me convince someone else.

[Yume]

Also I noticed already someone giving Yume a hard time, so I'm just going to say this once: Varsoon tends to the lenient as a moderator. If I see any more harassment of specific players, I'll make it my mission to get the harassing player PLd and will do so for as long as I remain ticked off about it, which could be the next year or so of games that we end up in. You've been warned. Consider me the vigilante of "don't be a fucking asshole to other people" justice.

~Drixx

So to fight an asshole, you will be an asshole?
Nice to hear it.

You don't think people have reason to hate how Yume lack of plays is okay?

If Yume plays = No Problem.

Yume doesn't play though, and I take issue with that.

If you want to be a literal Internet White Knight, so be it.

For Firebringer only

Spoiler: LOL

I have an ability to silence a player. Guess who I'll use it on?

[Yume]

Someone ally with me....?

[Yume]

Someone ally with me....?

I will.
You up for my craaaazzzzyyyy ways?

Anyone thinking they will be alive end game is never town.

I mean, what if they think they themselves are lynch bait/unlikely NK?

I mean, my track record kind of shows I am more likely at endgame than to be NK.

I don't know many who believe it.
I don't think I ever will. Unless I'm completely off on my reads or scum is dumb. I die early then that.

217

why is SirCakez in your town pile, and why is grapes maybe town?

edit: Yume, plenty of players haven't posted since you've asked. there's no need to rush, i'm sure you'll find a partner.

I like sir cakes post and memento. It was a good catch.
I have trust issues with grape.

Yes, though disagree that only scum can survive to endgame. There are ways to achieve that without being scum (ex. unrestricted bulletproof etc)

[Yume]

I see no utility in town having a role that can silence people though.

Not even preventing scum from scoring a mislynch with their fake cases?

[Yume]

They didn't claim to survive till end game, but they are planning for their survival through till the first Season Finale at least, which is mid game.

oh, thank you.

in that case, i don't think there's too much to read into there.

Firebringer: that doesn't really help me, but i get the sense this is how you play.

It makes more sense if you understand the players.
Like the list of players = Made no sense to me, and when I read my own name I was kind like "what?", kind of glazed over it.
From his perspective I don't think those players are good for sorting, but they are good for deceiving and possibly getting info out of, at least thats what I think.

The way he talks to players shows he wants everyone getting along, he is trying assume leadership role already. That is easy enough to tell regardless what alignment is, but there is definitely lack of actualy poking at anyone.

Then the way he went about suggesting to use "Yumes" ability?
Yeah, no. That makes no sense, why you would suggest to use it.

This feels scummy to me.

Yeah, except that Titus' hydra is on that list, and Titus won't divulge info that easily, and I'd doubt she'll let her hydra partner do so.

[Yume]

Yeah, except that Titus' hydra is on that list, and Titus won't divulge info that easily, and I'd doubt she'll let her hydra partner do so.

Titus is an open book to people she trusts.

But does she trust them?

[Yume]

Time to liven things up. I will say this only once/

I am.....

Spoiler: I am

....an Egg

Hahahahahahahaha!

[Yume]

So who would like to ally with me?

I would be okay with that engagement

I'm up for this if you are still willing.

Too late, farside and I are allied and next day I am planning alliance with RR.

[Yume]

Yume do you lurk the thread till something directly involving you happens?

It's called "giving people room to converse". You should try it sometime.

[Yume]

YO, I AM THE EVIL THAT WALKS ABROAD. 9999

[Yume]

Hi. I am here at this moment to draw your attention towards my signature.

[Yume]

And then, well, you'll see. Let's just say I have something special planned.

[Yume]

irresponsible use of a pr?

Only time will tell.

[Yume]

BOOM!

[Yume]

mastin2 is confirmed town. That is all.

[Yume]

Farside, to me this is part of the problem with Day 0 as it were. Some people won't participate since the game technically hasn't started. Others shit post and don't do much. Not sure there is much we can do about it right now.

Want to talk about things in the thread so far? You are feeling pretty town to me.

I'm scum reading random and I have a gut scum read on rr.
I will get a list together once everyone post.
Kraska reminds me of badass mafia all over again as far as playstyle goes.
My concern is the arguments going on will just have the lurking scum type keep lurking while people fight.

I have RR as null right now. I have a hard time reading them much of the time.

KC sounds really town right now. I have a town read on Mastin too.

Cool Dog is pinging my scumdar. What do you think about him?

Null.

What about yume? She's pretty quiet this game and I recall she is very antagonists.

Well, this game is different from most.

[Yume]

Does alliance in that context mean that Skybird can talk to the player who has role card of Steven Universe?
I am guessing that makes Skybird "Connie".

Let's not make assumptions here.

I am scum I am allowed to make assumptions!

*deep rumble*

[Yume]

Fire is the devil spawn. Instant removal is recommended.

[Yume]

no, they added me to their neighborhood and it says they're confirmed town in there.

[Yume]

It's what it says. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. *shrugs*

[Yume]

I am not confused or anything. It's what it is says. :e

And unless the game is bastard, I'm inclined to believe what it says.

@Mod But the w-we wouldn't have hotdogs.....

[Yume]

Ok. Moving on.

Yume, will you vote Creature?

Not yet.

[Yume]

I have a neighborhood to attend to first.

[Yume]

Fire is the devil spawn. Instant removal is recommended.

I am the scum spawn of home world. Not Devils, they are gems

So you are the devil.

[Yume]

You admitted to being scum, so your death will be quick and painless as reward for your cooperation.

[Yume]

@Fire What's your agenda as scum?

[Yume]

Okay, now I've taken care of that neighborhood stuff. I am ready to sheep.

VOTE: Not Chara

[Yume]

No, it says they're confirmed town in hood OP.

[Yume]

I'm sorry, but drop it. That line of questioning is forbidden.

[Yume]

I do not have solid opinions formed yet. I am just sheeping as of now.

[Yume]

And I don't plan to. Chalk it up to being super excited. Or me being dumb. However you like.

[Yume]

bunnies

[Yume]

The secret side of me
I'll never let you see
I keep it caged but I can't control it

[Yume]

The secret side of me
I'll never let you see
I keep it caged but I can't control it

do you have a post restriction

I do not feel obliged to answer someone who hates me.

[Yume]

If it lifts your spirits, no, I don't have a post restriction.

[Yume]

Thread revival powers, activate!

[Yume]

also, obi is not scummy just not correct...

because she got confirmation from her role... duh.

You confused or something?

[Yume]

Yes. You're my scumread, because I trust my partner.

[Yume]

@farside That was to NC, not you.

[Yume]

I'm pretty sure she did explain it farside? Mastin was confirmed town to her, and she is sheeping mastins push.

I mean it's not a very satisfactory reason, but she definitely gave one.

And yes, I'd also like to hear if you have any thoughts of your own to share with us, Yume.

-Cerb

Pedit: any other thoughts Yume?

Unfortunately, none. I have to keep silent because I want to avoid flavor claiming. Some tips?

[Yume]

give thoughts without flavor claiming?

we believe in you yume

No, you don't. You're just resigned to mocking me at every opportunity.

[Yume]

have confidence, and you, too, can be a free butterfly

Okay, now I am confuzzled. Are trying to convey some message here?

[Yume]

I'm pretty sure she did explain it farside? Mastin was confirmed town to her, and she is sheeping mastins push.

I mean it's not a very satisfactory reason, but she definitely gave one.

And yes, I'd also like to hear if you have any thoughts of your own to share with us, Yume.

-Cerb

Pedit: any other thoughts Yume?

If you any further up yume's ass your nose would be brown.

It takes one to know one. Aren't you the one brownnosing NC?

[Yume]

@RR Well, the thing is, I am unsure. I have this problem differentiating between scum posts and town posts. Tbh, I play better as scum than as town. *goes off to the corner*

[Yume]

Well, then, I think NC, Fire and farside are scum. Other possibility is McMenno. Other than that, I have nothing. I am not sure if I trust anyone else but mastin.

[Yume]

Never, but I have seen scum defending their buddies almost zealously. In fact, one of them defenders is sitting right under your nose and you argued with her for quite a while.

[Yume]

Then deal with it, bippity-boppity-boop.

[Yume]

Then deal with it, bippity-boppity-boop.

Well then your views are meaniless.
Thanks for playing.

Do you have the power to throw a player out of the game itself like you did with our alliance? If not, then I am stayin'

[Yume]

To answer you, RR, her hard defense of NC is suspicious. It looks to me like the defense of their buddy.

p-edit: Well, since you asked nicely....

VOTE: McMenno

[Yume]

Well, I was gonna try and remain calm, but 1582 triggers me, given how many times I was frustrated at being mislynched and wasn't town read for it, yet he gets a pass due to that very same frustration?

[Yume]

That said, if you, farside, hope to get me out of the game by riling me up and getting me force replaced, that's not gonna work cos I have my neighbour/mason buddy to calm me down.

[Yume]

VOTE: Not Chara

[Yume]

[Yume]

You got anything against my new theme song?

[Yume]

@Fire Oh, so you have a problem with me?

Spoiler: OOG

Well, that's precisely why it's my theme song. Especially the line from 1:35 to 1:40, which defines my relationship to the rest of you

[Yume]

Hey, Beeboy and I are going to be determining who to ally with. I got a few questions before he gets on.

First, Firebringer, why did you ally with Shiro if your ability gave neat rewards?

I am interested.

[Yume]

@RR Didn't you want to ally with me next? I don't know if OBW will accept my offer....

[Yume]

Why not?

[Yume]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

[Yume]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

Stay out of this, shrimp.

[Yume]

addendum: I find your attempts to ridicule me amusing.

[Yume]

Like, both me and NC are annoyed by possible mislynch of us, judging from the past details. One is townread for it, the other is not. I'll let you guess which is which.

pedit: Okay, I don't care.

[Yume]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

And fyi, I am paranoid of everyone right now, with exception of mastin and X

Spoiler: i can do it too

X may or may not exist outside of my head.

[Yume]

I wrote up two huge long speeches about how I despise your style of player (or lack thereof).

I am sure each one of those would get me force replaced or banned for how innappropriate it was.

Consider me ignoring you for the rest of the game.
Everyone else should too.

Your going to flake out of the game anyways.
Day 3 is longest i give you.

The feeling is mutual.

[Yume]

Okay, I am done. *slinks back to the shadows*

[Yume]

This is a vicous cycle. By outright ignoring her, you encourage her to flake and thereby justifying ignoring her. Support her instead.

If she flakes, we ignore her. If she doesn't we don't. She's conftown and this is no way to talk to conftown. If she has a shitty argument, call the argument shitty. Don't attack the player.

We should do everything we can to encourage Yume to talk, not shut them down.

She has flaked out of 9 games in the last two months Titus.
I am done "supporting" her, and believe it or not. I was at one point.

Fuck her.
She deserves zero support till she proves she changes.

Hello there Jasper

[Yume]

@OWK Well, he is antagonizing me, so I am trolling him. None of the characters mentioned are real in terms of claiming and stuff, don't worry.

[Yume]

That part of you that wants to just flavor claim just to annoy titus.
It is strong within me.

I think you got us mixed up, the one you want to annoy is me.

[Yume]

I actually do have opinions of my own, it's just that those opinions align with theirs.

[Yume]

Not sure.

[Yume]

It could be Skybird's double vote.

[Yume]

@Almost50

Spoiler: infodump

It's being NKed that I am afraid of

[Yume]

Spoiler: addendum

like you, I also want to live past day 3, but since I am a conftown, that makes me a target

[Yume]

@OBW Yeah, but......well.....I want to live for two reasons. One is I like the complexity of the game. The other is....well.... D: D: *runaway smiley*

[Yume]

You know what'd be great? If everyone dropped out-of-game discussion and associations beyond the standard meta-fare.
For the record, it is against site-wide rules to bring outside influences into the game.
If I rule it so, harboring a grudge against a player to the point of saying "I will not talk to you in any game you are in" would warrant a ban under these rules.

So, play the game at hand.
Yes, I am aware of how meta can shape the basis for someone's engagement with another player.
That said, play the game at hand.
That means this game.
Focus on it instead of engaging in pointless, distracting meta-discussion that's best left for a speakeasy thread or a PM after the game.
If any player's primary engagement in this game is to engage in topics only tertiary (or unrelated) to the game itself, I will issue a warning followed by a force-replace.
Play the game.
It's the single thing that you signed up for.
Just do it.

No

You just said no to the mod.

[Yume]

Hello again.

[Yume]

So, uh....

Spoiler: of importance

So does any of you players have any idea in what way scum can punish flavor claims? Scum rolecop or something else?

[Yume]

@RR I am not thinking about it, at least not in the way you assume I am. Still, I'd appreciate an answer.

[Yume]

Oh, you already gave one. Thank you.

[Yume]

Well, here's a small readlist of mine


Town: Killthestory, randomidget, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Skybird, Klingoncelt, mastin2, RR
Scum: farside22, Firebringer, NC, SirCakez

[Yume]

So does any of you players have any idea in what way scum can punish flavor claims? Scum rolecop or something else?

In THIS game; I have no idea. But -as I said before- I was a Town Vigilante in Varsoon's last game, and the only way I could kill was by knowing/correctly guessing the FLAVOUR NAME of my target.

The reason that question was made doesn't exist anymore.

[Yume]

Nothing really.

[Yume]

If you mean the vote, that was merely because you dared me to.

[Yume]

Well, here's a small readlist of mine


Town: Killthestory, randomidget, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Skybird, Klingoncelt, mastin2, RR
Scum: farside22, Firebringer, NC, SirCakez

what changed your read on me

Don't get too excited. Her reads are based on association without a flip.

Well, I agree with you there.

Spoiler:

Excitement and fun are a lie.

[Yume]

hihihihihihi

[Yume]

" I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

This wagon composition isn't fitting with my theory unless X happens.

Y'all talk to Beeboy for a bit.

Can you tell em what your theory is and what X is? I am curious now. I won't force the matter if you don't want to share it, though.

[Yume]

" I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

This wagon composition isn't fitting with my theory unless X happens.

Y'all talk to Beeboy for a bit.

Can you tell em what your theory is and what X is? I am curious now. I won't force the matter if you don't want to share it, though.

I shouldn't right now because X is the behavior of other players. This is however a stellar question to ask and one I don't think you'd ask when we first met.

Can't you at least hint at it somehow?

[Yume]

I feel like being locked out of the loop though.

[Yume]

Yume, are you not the only player in the game who is currently privy to mastin's thought process? if that isn't 'in the loop', i don't know what is. :>

Not exactly.

@OWK I wish you'd add me to alliance.....

[Yume]

But if mastin and I hadn't confirmed each other, would I still be confirmed town?

[Yume]

Never mind, I will drop the questioning now. It looks like there was a misunderstanding.

[Yume]

No, what I consider my best day is LYLO in Freedom's Call.

[Yume]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7950244

[Yume]

That was still the first time I actually hammered scum. I agree that this game might overshadow it though.

[Yume]

I know which one you're talking about.

Spoiler:

yet I am still treated as useless. I hope this game will change that
p-edit: Consider that

his

influence

[Yume]

Nothing, and you shouldn't ally with me either if you think it'll do more harm than good.

[Yume]

KTS want to ally, I'll give you a vig

What makes you think he'll use it on me, lol?

[Yume]

What if we lynched almost today?

You can certainly try, but we won't let you.

[Yume]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

Creature isn't scum either

And let me guess you townread Cakey too?

No I don't

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

[Yume]

Nah, he'll automatically switch to townreading him.

[Yume]

Faction wise I don't know how you make two scum groups from this flavor wise.
Unless you split home world factions by gem allegiance.

I see it as just home world vs Earth, with possible SK of Jasper

Do not mention Jasper in front of me. >.>

[Yume]

meep meep

[Yume]

This has no bearing on mine or anyone else's role. Everyone who tries to perceive it as such will be wrong.

Ain't she cute?

Spoiler:

[Yume]

This has no bearing on mine or anyone else's role. Everyone who tries to perceive it as such will be wrong.

Ain't she cute?

Spoiler:

ebwop

[Yume]

woah stop pressuring joint they're scum. I'd know because I've mislynched them a lot I think. plus they're just town anyway loll

anyways Kling you should ally wit me and stuff.

Also people vote Mastin pls VOTE: Mastin

No.

[Yume]

vote with me or I'll vote u

No.

[Yume]

VOTE: Mastin

NO

[Yume]

VOTE: Killthestory

And anyone who votes a confirmed town is dumb.

[Yume]

MAGENTA WOLF

wants to know why Mastin is confirmed town.

MAGENTA WOLF

also wants to tell you that dumb doesn't equal alignment or else he'd be voting you right now.

Because I say so.

Spoiler:

also because we're masons

[Yume]

VOTE: SC

[Yume]

I am bored of this game, lets all just watch adventure time.

How could you insult my cutie tootsie pop? D:

[Yume]

Spoiler: SC ISO wall

43: Generic questioning response to an early game mason claim from farside.
55: accuses McMenno of fishing...while quoting a post from grapes. Need to look at context, not sure what he's saying about McMenno.
64: Reiterates the fishing thing.
126: accuses McMenno of fencesitting for...not having a definite position on the mason pairs idea? Not sure. SC, explain why you were calling him a fencesitter here?
355: Wants to ally with Almost, *wanted* to ally with mastin. Question FB's (admittedly questionable) statement that mastin was both probtown *and* in his lynch pool.
441: McMenno and kraska are in SC's scum pool. Why was McMenno there SC? Because of the "fence-sitting" that doesn't even make sense to me? kraska's 438 is also sorta a weak reason to scumread someone, because it really isn't a reason. Elaborate.
599: reiterates that McMenno and kraska are scum, calls OWK scummy, asks kraska to explain his town read on McMenno, lists reads: Town: NC, mastin, grapes, farside. Scum: McMenno, kraska, OWK; unreadable: RR
604: An explanation for the McMenno scumread. He was "fishing", and had awkward reactions. Gonna go look at that fishing context thing now. Okay. Umm. in 47 McMenno asks Beeboy and Cakez for their flavor. That's umm. IDK, sorta the most blatant fishing type post anyone could ever make...like, so blatant it's OBVIOUSLY a joke. So, officially a shitty reason to scumread him. Noted. NC townreads are blatant newbtown? WTF does that even mean?
605: Questions mastin on the contradiction of believing the mason claims, while having SC and obi in her scumreads. Reasonable question.
607: Continues calling OWK, but clarifies that it's for the phrasing of their reach out to our slot for assistance, rather than because of the reach out itself.
610: Clarifis that NC is newbtown for, specificaly, apologizing over little things, analyzing game mechanics, and being very open about their reads.


Cutting this short here, got invited to something, but so far the SC/McMenno interaction focus is making sense now, and SC looks, well, terrible. All the reads are given for quite facile reasons, or even flawed reasons. The questions he asks are decent onesish, but...yeah. As of post 610, null-scum by play, but I don't see any outright *scummy* things he's done.

-Cerb

Forgot to link the posts.

-Cerb

Picking up where I left off.

680: Likes kraskas response to his earlier question.
934: Votes OWK, questions creature votes from OWK and XKFYU, as well as Snarky's vote on Farside, and asks Snarky for clarification regarding his 754 explaining the farside scum read.
941: Creature town read, mastin townread reiterated,questions kts' IC claim.
943: Updated reads! Town: Fire, NC, mastin, grapes, farside; nulltown:Yume, creature, KC, A50, CoolDog; Null: kraska, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB; Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky; Scum: McMenno, OWK; RR=still special and unreadable.

Can you explain any of the reasoning beyond the new names that became readable between your 599 and 943? Any posts in particular? Namely, Yume, KC, A50, Cooldog, FB as town? I can see the progression and reasons for the other reads, but those ones came from nowhere...I would assume the Yume one came from the whole mastin situation...but your next post you're not sure about the details of the relationship between yume and mastin.
1052: This...is bad. Like, really fucking bad. Creature, in 967, calls SC out for WK'ing him, but leaving him as null...and SC says he fucked up and left him as null in spite of liking the posts Creature made on page 32...so Creature can be null town.

But...creature was already null town. Like, 100% null town. Just look at 943. So, just a few posts later/the next morning, and SC forgot what his stated read on Creature was? Seems unlikely, constructed read.

1391: And now here NC, in 1057 points out that same fuck up I just noticed. SC just handwaves it away? First thought was that NC/SC can't be on the same team, second thought is that potentially they *are* scum together, depending on whether NC just accepted that shitty response or if he pushed more. Admits that he hasn't been doing anything, and will "try harder". Okay. Sure. Calls all of McMennos posting fluff and pointless, and defends OWK scumread by referencing Creatures 1122, calling all their scumreads "lurkers and lynchbait." SC, you've played with Titus before. She's played with a number of other players here, and, I daresay, has a certain degree of respect for their skill. Do you SERIOUSLY think scum!Titus would EVER construct a fake scum reads list that's ALL lynchbait? Good follow up on snarky ignoring his earlier request for more details regarding his farside scumread. Not sure what he menas by the end of this post, aimed at farside22.

SC, were you saying that it felt like the farside22 townread on you was pretty flimsy, or that her reasons for changing her read on you were pretty flimsy?

1394: Asks grapes to explain the obvscum read on NC, calls NC's 1188 [post=bad ]bad [/post]and says he feels its grapes vote is to dissuade him from pushing it, NOT because it actually believes he's scum. Parrots everyones praise for Seraphims 1189, and agrees with al the content except for their read on him! Moves Sera to nulltown, Sera's post that he agreed with called farside town, snarky null, SC/Menno as scum, and don't understand why NC is being viewed as scum.

This is in the *same* post where he points out a bad post from NC, but he agrees with Seraphis about not understanding where the NC scum reads are coming from? Moments later grapes 1233 about NC's 1177 convinces him to move NC to nullscum, combined with the post he quoted earlier and his read on the people pushing NC. This is really realy weird to read all together in one post. I have no idea if it's genuine or what. :-/

Somehow doesn't understand that grapes is asking him to ally because grapes just had the fact that his role has a negative effect on his allies exposed, so he's clearly seeing if any of his scumreads are willing to sacrifice whatever benefit they get for allying. Again...this is in the same post where he quoted NC's 1188 outing that particular power. How do you forget that so quickly?

1400: Calles NC's 1303 "outright false", and had some other thought about it that he didn't finish stating. Shows that he's REALLY not paying attention again by noting that NC wouldn't ally with grapes again, even though grapes already made it clear that he could force his allies to remain allied to them. Softs some sort of alliance benefit that A50 would be aware of, calls RR null, and doesn't want to vote NC because OWK is pushing them, doesn't like to bus, and is a stronger scumread than NC. Calls OWK's 1383 a "weak" readslist, and pedits in a postive response to NC's post immediately prior.

1403: Yume is pure town on the basis of mastins conection, Sera is nulltown for the previously mentioned post, NC is up to null(though he says down, even though the last time he had a read on NC he put it as nullscum) on the basis of OWK associatives and it's most recent post. Cooldog down to null for avoidance of real points of contention, and because he doesn't know where the null town read came(SC, why wouldn't this make Cooldog nullscum? If you don't have a reason for the townread, and are suspicious enough of something to downgrade your read on him...then you should downgrade from the position he should have been at originally, right? Reads as potentially attempting to create an artificial, smooth gradient, instead of just putting CoolDog as nullscum, where SC's commentary on the slot makes it seem like he should be. Still doesn't buy KTS's IC claim. Scumreads stay the same.

1413: FB is obvtown. Some clarification please SC? This is a much stronger statement than you've made about other townread slots, but you've given NO reason for the read so far. Doesn't want to lynch NC because it would be an info lynch more than a strong scumread lynch.

1440: Moves votes to McMenno, OWK's defense of McMenno makes him feel better, and SC apparently now understands grapes' NC scumread.

1465: calls mastin confbiased for her McMenno defense. Valid point about OWK's scumread on him accelerating drastically.

1474: More of this allying benefit soft claiming, wants to ally with Mastin.

1479: Follow up for 1465.

1484: more SC v OWK.

1487: Feels NC is scumreading grapes for his read on NC, rather than his play. Asks for details regarding said scumread.

1490: more elaboration about the answer to 1487 requested.
1494: Valid point. OWK really isn't the optimal slot to attack when attempting to mess with a wagon, unless part of the goal is to create a high volume of posts.

1497/1506: More discussion about 1494.

1514: Finds NC's account of their PT with grapes convincing but wants grapes response.

1578: Back to the 1494 stuff. OWK says grapes and A50 are worse options to attack than them, SC disagrees and says why, etc. NC is now pure town? What? After that post, you said grapes no longer had to explain their scumread on the slot? What was that post saying then, if not that you understood and agreed with the scumread? They were null null last time you mentioned them. This doesn't follow.

1582: References 1398 by NC as the reason for the townread on it.

1847: After comparing NC's and grapes accounts, believes their conflict kis TVT, they developed independent scumreads on one another simultaneously, and are now biased. Finally drops the ridiculous back and forth stemming from 1494. Agrees with grapes 1658 that scum were bussing. SC, which scum were bussing who at this exact moment?

1848: developing new scumreads that need to be shared with the alliance PT first. PT members, can you confirm that around this time SC did indeed have a conversation started about something previously unmentioned in the main thread?

1856: Reiterates the couple causes for the NC townread at Skybirds prompting.

1927: I actually agree that grapes comment that SC's position regarding NC vs grapes doesn't make sense is nonsensical itself. Asks if anyone ese wants to weigh in on the grapes/nc PT summary.

2307: Shiro gives him bad vibes for jumping in on A50, because that's who he would have gone after if he were attempting to chainsaw NC. Reasonable point. Calls OWK's post BS for ignoring his explicitly stated townread on NC. Suspicious of Foxbird, calls them "scum coasting".

2327: Accuses OWK of making things up to push his mislynch. Pretty sure they're not actually making things up, they may just be remembering that certain people have expressed a willingness to vote for you. Reveals that one of his scumreads is RR, for the same reasons mastin gives...but also insists that mastins reasons for pushing him, which are identical, are inaccurate. Calls McMenno opportunistic scum for jumping on the SC wagon.

2334: Calls the first half of my iso check on him "awful" and a "reaction to being called out", and calls my reasons garbage.I'll address this: First of all, you realize there's actually no productive way to respond to someone accusing you of not doing any scumhunting? If you go scumhunt, then people(like yourself) will accuse you of doing it "just because you were called out", and if you don't go scumhunt, then you're not actually working towards your win con. Therefore, you should just go scumhunt and actually accomplish something. Sooooooo there's nothing actually "awful" about it. It *should be viewed as NAI.

Now, about your complaints regarding my null-scum read: The things you're pointing out aren't even the actual reasons why I hit upon you as null-scum? It's the depth, or lack thereof, of your analysis in those early posts. The things you pointed out are basically items where I wanted more information from you regarding why you said what you said at that time. You and I disagree on the likelihood of McMenno!scum just...blatantly rolefishing...okay. Not relevant, because it's STILL a shallow reason to have developed the scum read. More accusations of misrepresentation by OWK, followed by a vote moving back to them. Claims to have had NC as a nullscum read for only a very short amount of time, and to have been a townread for the rest of the game. This isn't completely true. From my read through, NC was mostly null to nullscum prior to 1398, and then became town read. I still want to know why you told grapes to not bother with telling you why he thought NC was scum. That, and the way that read came together where NC became nullscum is the most insincere part of that progress and requires more explanation.

2335: New reads. Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume;Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim;Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon;Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird;Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational

Why did grapes move down to nulltown? I thought NC vs Grapes was a TvT? Why is NC *only* a nulltown read, you've expressed a MUCH stronger stance on the slot than that.

2340: more updated reads! Cooldog to nullscum(LOOK! the smooth fake progression of the read that I pointed out and predicted would hapen above!), KC to nullscum(why? In your own words, you've said nothing about KC, sooooooo?), snarky goes up to null(Why????? they haven't even ben around, and you're still saying nothing about them) xkfyu to scum(Why??? Because of lack of content?) and kraska to nulltown(again...why?).

TL;DR: Fake reads on creature and CoolDog, lack of depth to early posting(though it did get better later on), contradictory and confusing stance on NC, a decent bit of unexplained and unprompted changing of reads towards the end. No slots he's suspicious of by virtue of his own analysis other than OWK and McMenno, and the OWK case is...sketchy, while the McMenno one is entirely static. He's not gathering further evidence to push towards that lynch and he seems to have just completely fallen off SC's radar other than making sure to include him in his reads lists. I would appreciate answers to all the questions scattered throughout SC. Thanks!

Skybird coming up next kts.

-Cerb

Lapis is awesome and cute OwO

[Yume]

@RR Would you like to form a contract with her? You can do so my sharing your favorite line of hers.

[Yume]

@RR There's a downside, though. She is a bit of a loner, so if you attempt to make contract when she doesn't want to, she'll reject it.

(Just having a bit of fun, ftr)

[Yume]

@RR Don't worry, she'll let you know when she wants it.

[Yume]

@RR There's a downside, though. She is a bit of a loner, so if you attempt to make contract when she doesn't want to, she'll reject it.

(Just having a bit of fun, ftr)

Lol. I always thought that was a little strange. She spent centuries trapped in a mirror, but doesn't really want to associate with people again after being forced to be alone for so long.

-Cerb

Lapis almost killed the whole planet earth, people forgave her way too easily.

Eh...she also devoted herself to trapping Jaspar in Malachite at the bottom of the ocean for as long as possible, AND kicked her ass when she showed up later on. Also, what are they going to do against a gem that can basically kick EVERYONES ass, except for Steven, when Steven likes her?

-Cerb

Agreed. She makes you want to hug her.

[Yume]

Good morning.

[Yume]

Farmer Giles?

[Yume]

Sorry, I am taken by RR, but if you can convince me not to ally them, maybe.

[Yume]

Yume's Comedy Skit no.1

Jasper: Lapis Lazuli, fuse with me!
LL: What?
Jasper: Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak gems stronger!

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN9Blt5MGk

Yume's comedy skit, over no. 1

[Yume]

Comedy skit no.2

Jasper: As your daddy who is so proud of you, I have one thing to say....
Lapis: Yes?
Jasper: Bwaaaaa!

the end of comedy skit 02

Jasper: *angry* Seriously people! This thread is a dying horse!

[Yume]

Don't worry, I'll revive it when I get home. ^^

-Cerb

Lapis and Jasper thank you. ^^

[Yume]

This game sucks, we need like hookers and blackjack or something.
Actually forget the game.
Lets get hookers and blackjack.

Worship my cutie pie or else!

[Yume]

@Fire What have you got against me? I've proven time and time again I will not flake from this game...what more do you want? :/

[Yume]

So how many votes does SC currently have?

[Yume]

I can help with that.

UNVOTE:

[Yume]

Yes, and it was not a hammer, just L-1.

[Yume]

Well, I decided to return anyway

VOTE: SC

[Yume]

Actually, by my count, SC has 10 votes, mine and kraska's included. If KC's vote counts, then she can end the day, but if it doesn't, she can only put him at L-1.

[Yume]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but

not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.

There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

And let me guess, you never acted like the bolded this entire game, hm?

[Yume]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but

not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.

There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

And let me guess, you never acted like the bolded this entire game, hm?

I tried multiple times to understand Titus POV.
I even explained my town read. She was the one acting like it's a power trip issue.
Not me.


Here is one for you Titus.
Why are you town reading shiro?

Prove it. Where did you consider she might be right about something?

[Yume]

So you can't prove you were trying to 'understand her point of view'?

[Yume]

people scumread NC
farside: No, he is town because I say so and I am awesome.
people scumread SC
farside: No, he is town because I say so and I am awesome.

Like, I tried to stay out of it, but I can't take it anymore.

[Yume]

this is like

Spoiler:

su prequel in reverse

[Yume]

And what else it reminds me of?



My gosh, you are as stubborn as her in the video above. She insists he is something he is not, just like you.

[Yume]

Hammer, hammer, hammer.

[Yume]

Well, the way it is written and the plea for stress leveling up both sound like Firebringer, but it could be someone else copying his style to frame him.

[Yume]

Are you still up for allying with me or do you wanna take OWK's offer instead?

[Yume]

k

[Yume]

However, alliances exist only during climax phase afaik

[Yume]

Never mind, it's Exposition. Anyway, you'd better submit my name then.

[Yume]

@RR Yes, now hammer. You said you would.

[Yume]

@RR If you don't submit my name, I will know.

[Yume]

I confirm my alliance submission too.

[Yume]

Yari kittenaikara yarikirenai
Yari kittenaikara yarikirenai
Genjō daha wo chīsana koe de yagate zekkyō shitaku naru
Yari kittenaikara yarikirenai (Yareba dekiru sa)
Yari kittenaikara yarikirenai (Kitto dekiru sa)

[Yume]

I do.

[Yume]

RR, let's dance. l33t

[Yume]

The mod is not here yet.

[Yume]

Yume, if Mastina can interrupt with an alliance, I am so down. Same with you. If it's stealth, give me an indication you can see by typing a fruit that starts with the first letter of my first post tomorrow.

stealth?

[Yume]

Since big ole M was right, I will join this wagon

VOTE: RR

[Yume]

I was waiting for you, Titus. What did you mean by your last two posts in the last day?

[Yume]

@RR I thought you wanted to chat with me, yet you're not posting at all in our alliance thread....

[Yume]

Well, here I am. Who wants to join my cause of stopping the Cluster?

[Yume]

Anyone interested in allying with me for the next day phase?

[Yume]

Well, I am unsure what to say in there.

[Yume]

Besides, you have no right to say that, considering you didn't even post in it initially.

[Yume]

How about this, I'll post more if you agree to help me stop Cluster.

[Yume]

OWK, ally with me next phase. I need some things to tell you. If you want mechanical reason, I have one

Spoiler:

I can BG my ally

[Yume]

All part of my secret plan.

[Yume]

And what use do scum have from finding that out?

[Yume]

Spoiler: Cheer

One, two, three
Team Malachite
Malachite
Chite
Chite
Malachite
yeah, yeah, yeah
Malachite
Real
Malachite
Chite
Malachite for President,
ya, ya, ya

[Yume]

@Yume/@Mastina, I am going to lay out the dilemma here and get your feedback.

My role suggests a NC//Farside/myself alliance would be best strategically.

By day play, allying with Yume is superior. The Suikoden repeat potential there is awesome.

You already know my feedback.

[Yume]

On the day
When the sun is down
Crack the cave open
Unleash the power within

[Yume]

We have to wait two days for that.

[Yume]

Jasper could be a powerful town role but that is unlikely based on even my dumb flavor knowledge.

Ok, so my assumption was valid but "dumb". Thanks for setting me straight.

Jasper.....why did you have to be evil?

[Yume]

Yume I would like to align with you if the offer still stands.

Yes, it does.

[Yume]

VOTE: DGB

[Yume]

Oh boy

Spoiler: OT, prepare for feelz

[Yume]

You leaving?

[Yume]

:/

[Yume]

@Titus That's not it. I am a bit leery of that claim, cos

Spoiler:

I have an event power exactly like that

[Yume]

@Titus That's not it. I am a bit leery of that claim, cos

Spoiler:

I have an event power exactly like that

Let's talk this out in the hood. I'm not sure what you mean by "exactly like that" but that's definitely not for public consumption.

All right.

[Yume]

So, tell me more about Peridot. I get -from the wiki- that it was good then it got corrupted then ..??? I'm not too familiar with the show itself, so I'm counting on those who would call themselves fans to give more details.

For the mean time, I'd be more concerned about figuring out DGB. If she IS a traitor then we need to eliminate her. If that was a trol/gambit then we need to know who else might be a good lynch.

Like, everybody's proposing names and stuff, but not one GOOD case has been made. I'm not fully sold on the CD lynch, but it's as good as it gets. I'm slightly scum reading him, and both Titus and Mastina agree he should be a good lynch, but I would be open for a better lynch option IF backed up with some clear cut evidence.

Well, actually, she was evil, then she turned good, and no, she never got corrupted. The one who got corrupted was Jasper.

[Yume]

For my beanie and my kindred spirit

A cruel God reigns
She has you in her clutches
She views you as her plaything
You're just a puppet to her

You are trapped
With no where to go
She doesn't even care enough
To bother looking for you

So why do you serve someone like that
You can do better than that
There are people who'd love you
If you'd give them a chance

Embrace the healing
Power of love
Throw away your past
Throw away your sin

Your former colleague
Is waiting for you
You can have a new future
You can be together again

[Yume]

Yeah Yume we are allying.

Why do you assume that the above poem has anything to do with a game? It's just my ode to Jasper.

[Yume]

So bored.....D:

Someone talk to me.....

[Yume]

Owh, now I feel bad.... *rocking back and forth*

[Yume]

yumen't have to

You're next.

[Yume]

you vigged firebringer didn't you

I'm sorry for the pun

[Yume]

But nah, there is someone else who fits more so than any player on the site. Read this article, specifically the part under '2' and you might understand me better.

[Yume]

Well, that's the true reason I want you to ally with me.

[Yume]

But nah, there is someone else who fits more so than any player on the site. Read this article, specifically the part under '2' and you might understand me better.

EBWOP

p-edit: No, I want to ally with her.

[Yume]

my response

My response

[Yume]

Well, that's the true reason I want you to ally with me.

It will be a shocker.

Whaddya mean?