Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Infinity 324]

Something more than just 1 doc. Idk lol

[Slandaar]

That isn't a reason for TWO DOCS it's a reason for TWO PR.

[Infinity 324]

What else visits a possible NK target

[Infinity 324]

The more I think about it the more rask makes sense

[Slandaar]

Motion Detector. Bodyguard. Cop. Rolecop (remove it from JOAT) etc etc. There is a long list on the wiki. It doesn't need to protect. The setup already had Watcher/Doc (Watcher effectively protects)

[Raskolnikov]

slandaar how can I trust you though
there's the dgb-you thing but with daytalk its not cut and dry and
I'm not even sure if you'd be that averse to bussing d1 someone like dgb with what I've seen of you this game

I mean that thing plus the excessive town power are really in your favour and I don't actually have a logical reason to doubt you but I'm just not 100% sure its impossible for you to be scum anyways I guess?

[Infinity 324]

cop/rolecop/even motion detector wouldn't target obvtown.

I think the idea was to try to have the watcher catch a doc + scum. Or a tracker catch someone visiting the kill target but having to figure out if it's doc or scum.

All I know is that there are 2 docs in the setup

[Slandaar]

It's impossible for me to be scum as I have a town PM.

[Infinity 324]

Rask, is scum me or vedith

[Raskolnikov]

Okay I could lynch vedith today. I think that DGB bus is plausible and I can't live with the concept that my infinity read was wrong here.

[Vedith]

Don't really care for the question anyways. It should be obvious why, you can see my read progression on DGB and she voted me the entire game almost. If you don't consider that obvtown then you shouldn't consider anyone obvtown.

I don't consider anyone obvious town at this point. This is why I'm trying to work this out.
I don't understand how you are obvious town though. You don't really give a valid answer for it, and now you are saying to lynch Infinity then me.
The only 2 points of a case you have on me is 1 - I didn't read the game properly when I can prove I do this as either align 2 - I called you scum if HipLop flipped town.

That's not much of a case... And I feel if you were truly town you would bring up points today like me visiting Fire instead of others, or me hammering early yesterday.
What you are saying is that you think I am scum, but we should lynch Infinity first although he is proven to have visited me.

I keep trying to work out a scum role that would have Infinity visit me and my action work.

If he was a Mafia doc, why would he visit me out of all people?
If they had a Mafia doc, they would be worried that town have a vig and protect themselves.
If he wanted credit for visiting someone not dying, then why visit the watcher?

I will not be lynching Infinity today or tomorrow.

Again with Maria, I don't see tracker being scum in this setup. Although I'd lynch Maria over Infinity I won't be voting here today.

Rask or Slandaar have to be the vote today imo.

The difference with Rask and Slandaar is Slandaar is preparing a mis lynch today with planning a lynch on me tomorrow. This shows high doubt about Infinity from Slandaars POV.

[Infinity 324]

Vedith is town

[Infinity 324]

Ok I gotta do some ISOs but I think rask played me pretty hard here

[Slandaar]

That's not much of a case...

It wasn't a case.

And I feel if you were truly town you would bring up points today like me visiting Fire instead of others, or me hammering early yesterday.
What you are saying is that you think I am scum, but we should lynch Infinity first although he is proven to have visited me.

I think Infinity is scum. You are second most likely.

Where did I say otherwise?

[Slandaar]

This shows high doubt about Infinity

There is some doubt because I had him as town a long time so yes.

High doubt? not really.

You are just trying to pick on my wording.

[Slandaar]

If he was a Mafia doc, why would he visit me out of all people?
If they had a Mafia doc, they would be worried that town have a vig and protect themselves.
If he wanted credit for visiting someone not dying, then why visit the watcher?

He would claim Doc because it makes no sense for scum to claim doc.

It's really simple. You have to go by the setup today as we cannot ignore 2 Doc claims & There is no valid reason for 2 docs in this setup.

[Vedith]

There is some doubt because I had him as town a long time so yes.

High doubt? not really.

You are just trying to pick on my wording.

It's not pick on your wording.
Tell me that I'm wrong that scum Mafia can be the only role he will be to visit me, and he would have to be very bad at Mafia to visit the watcher.

If you can't tell me that I'm wrong, and give an example to how I'm wrong, then I'm not voting Infinity.

PEDIT - But why would he visit me and not someone else for town cred or his partner?!

Your argument does not stand.

[Raskolnikov]

I accept 1v1 with vedith.

As is even if infinity is scum and wins if I get return lynched (say slandaar dies and maria doesn't buy into too many PR logic) he probably deserves it.

VOTE: vedith

[Vedith]

I accept 1v1 with vedith.

As is even if infinity is scum and wins if I get return lynched (say slandaar dies and maria doesn't buy into too many PR logic) he probably deserves it.

VOTE: vedith

Sit down.

[Raskolnikov]

Slandaar if you want me to trust you on the PR/VT spec then I want you to trust me on infinity.

If I am wrong on him here I will never get over it I think.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually with maria also preferring infinity this might be a lost cause.

[Vedith]

Actually with maria also preferring infinity this might be a lost cause.

Well, if me and you both agree not to lynch Infinity then he's fine.

I'm going to put something later after work to why Slandaar is scum here.

[Raskolnikov]

LOL

[Raskolnikov]

If he was a Mafia doc, why would he visit me out of all people?
If they had a Mafia doc, they would be worried that town have a vig and protect themselves.
If he wanted credit for visiting someone not dying, then why visit the watcher?

Now, these don't actually make sense
1. If he was a mafia doc, visiting watcher gets you a very low chance of being watched (watcher won't watch themselves for obvious reasons)
2. Compared to visiting LQ, if infinity was tracked to LQ and flipped as scumdoc it would incriminate LQ, and LQ flipping scum with inf claiming doc also doesn't look good there. Yes it would risk vig shot, but doing it risks both getting caught if infinity is scum.
3. This one is just stupid.

You have infinity at super town on like faulty night logic and claim wifom logic whereas everyone else seems to be considering their read of the player himself. I don't know how you are so trusting of double doc without a strong base townread like I have there, and even in spite of me having that I still have some trouble with it.

Cute turn after I vote, btw

[MariaR]

re reading now