Micro 643: Desperation Day (Game Over)

[BlackStar]

VOTE: key

Seems like he's got something to hide

[BlackStar]

I thought he was saying that you shouldn't rely solely on math to predict how people will act in the game. Which is kind of ironic because he's the one who brought up math in the first place

[BlackStar]

I thought he was saying that you shouldn't rely solely on math to predict how people will act in the game. Which is kind of ironic because he's the one who brought up math in the first place

Its mostly hypocritical.
I am just trying to get support for my idea.

I don't believe my data shows how players actually play. I think people just eat up data easily.

~Mas Y

Okay. Why are you guys even arguing about this? Instead of talking about theories and probabilities, just play the game lol

[BlackStar]

Here it is:
1: What is your preferred faction?
2: What would you say you bring to the game that others don't?
3: Tell me a bit about your username, signature, and/or avatar.
My answers:
1: I would have to say town because the game feels more relaxed.
2: I bring a sense of humor I would say is nigh unrivaled.
3: My username is an old idea of a Pokemon Emerald remake. My signature is a quote from a webcomic, and I find the quote works really well here.

And about those wagons, I have seen votes meant to bait reactions on EpicMafia plenty of times. It's not only about successful wagons.

1. Mafia because I'm almost always town
2. Lulzy gifs and a little bit of chaos
3. Blackstar is the title of a novel I was working on. I always choose avatars that look creepy lol. Right now I have a Ryuk gif as my avatar

[BlackStar]

We're not No Lynching Days 1 and 2. The reason scum lynches on D1 are uncommon are because of the higher ratio of Town:scum. Even if we're wrong the lynches thin out the suspect pool and give us info to work with.

Plus I joined this game to play mafia, not to not play it.

McMenno's probably trolling anyway and fire is letting him.

VOTE: Comparing Realities

I think rb gives off the serious try-hard posts of a semi-experienced Town player, so they're my first Town read.

P.S. Why are so many people switching over to Death Note avatars these days? Did everyone just binge the series at the same back-to-school time or something?

I started out with a death note avatar and then circled back around to it lol

[BlackStar]

I don't think Mas y Menos are scum. Their no lynch idea was a flawed theory and it brought a huge amount of attention to them right off the bat. Bringing attention to yourself is suboptimal scum play so I don't see why they'd want to bring themselves into the limelight

[BlackStar]

I guess I'll add those.
4: What is your experience with Mafia?
5: Who here have you played with before?
My answers
4: One near complete off site forum game, one ongoing game here, many EM games, and many IRL games.
5: No one.

4. I've been playing for 10 months
5. I've played with BTD, Firebringer, xyzzy and comparing realities

[BlackStar]

@key Nope, I never put my novel online

[BlackStar]

What's the point of these silly questions?

I think we should all vote for key

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to quote that

[BlackStar]

What's the point of these silly questions?

I think we should all vote for key

Why??

It's just a gut feeling

[BlackStar]

What's the point of these silly questions?

I think we should all vote for key

Why??

why me fry me

Lol

[BlackStar]

hey firebringer, should we vote the

dabbing panda?

I feel like that's the plan

~Menos

Is this an insult?

Pretty sure he meant "dapping"

[BlackStar]

@key It's beginning to look like you just jump on whichever wagon is gaining momentum

[BlackStar]

@key It's beginning to look like you just jump on whichever wagon is gaining momentum

Do you think that's scummy at this point?

It's scummier than anything anyone else has done so far lol

[BlackStar]

Why is being wagon-happy in the early game scummy though? I don't agree with that.

He votes someone, doesn't really apply any pressure and then moves onto the next person as soon as suspicious on comes their way. I don't like the tone of his posts because they feel forced to me.

[BlackStar]

*suspicion

[BlackStar]

The fuck are you doing? I think you're town but that is just dumb.

Deadline is nearly 11 days away, we have 9 pages. Nothing needs "moving".

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said Key's posts are scummy

[BlackStar]

He joins every wagon using a bs justification and doesn't seem to care who gets lynched

[BlackStar]

So why didn't you stay on him the whole time and push for him to be lynched?

[BlackStar]

These are the posts you made when you initially voted him

I don't like this post.

What do you not like about it Key?

~Menos

First of all, On that post, You said we should just skip D1 and D2 because we auto win when we lynched a Mafia D3. So how do we lynch scum if we don't have any evidences and info?

NL-ing on D1 and D2 is never a good choice. There's still a chance that if we lynched a mafia D1 or D2, We can use some things that he town read the most, Which have a possibility it's his scum buddy.

For me, you are the most scummy here and I don't get your point.

VOTE: Mas y Menos

You initially vote him because you don't understand him. Yeah, he made a bad point but having a bad idea doesn't make you scum. The normal thing to do is to ask someone to explain them self when you don't understand them. You didn't ask for more justification and just jumped straight into a vote.

Like the chance of scum lynch on day 1 is objectively low.
A player on my homesite once did an analysis of lynches day 1, it hit scum in 5% of the total games.
And games where the town no lynched on day 1 they had an 20% higher chance of winning then if they did lynch day 1.

Sometimes day 1 lynch is just not optimal.

~Menos

Yeah I know. Do you seriously get my point tho?

thnx 4 the help <3

If I was mafia, I would kill you night 1.

~Mas Y

You're saying this cauz' you will kill someone but xyzzy and after that, you'll kill her next night. Still I would love to vote for you.

This post is dumb. It's just baseless accusations and acting as if they're fact. And then you somehow forget that you're voting for him and say you'd love to vote for him. Wtf? Even if you did forget that you're were voting him, you could've just voted again. Why would you say that someone is scum and you want to vote them and then not do it?

Comparing Realities is the only one pinging me right now:

VOTE: Comparing Realities


I have town on Alchemist, Rb, XYZ.
Rest Null.

Also Alchemist, I think this continues the trend of us being same alignment

~Mas Y

You're basically voting CR because his whole post is about you. I didn't read it well but from what I read, It's all about you.

"I didn't read the post but I'm going to act cast more doubt on you anyway"

[BlackStar]

Then you move on to this wagon. Let's see how things play out over here

I don't like what you are doing, rb.

{deleted: ongoing games discussion — callforjudgement}

Plus, your arguments are plain non sense. Why? It doesn't involve scum hunting; You're arguing about CR's wall post which is meh; Can you explain more clearly why are you voting for xyzzy?

If you don't like this game, consider replacing out.

VOTE: rb

That looks like you're alluding to an ongoing game. Please stay well away from any mention of ongoing games; just because you don't say their name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for people to work out what you mean (and if you

want

people to work out what you mean, you're pretty much talking about the game directly). — callforjudgement

Is this a vote for scum or an "I dislike you" vote. If it's the latter, unvote. If the former, explain why.

Both

Seems like a strong suspicion. From this I expected a strong case or push.

hey firebringer, should we vote the

dabbing panda?

I feel like that's the plan

~Menos

Is this an insult?

Key's next post is him replying to a random post from five million years ago. I don't know why you'd randomly ask this now instead of going after the guy you supposedly scum read so strongly.

VOTE: Xyzzy

I like this better than Mas. Xyzzy doesn't do much other than throw shade and despite thinking I'm a strong lynch candidate, keeps their vote aligned with mine. Key, Alchemist: thoughts?

UNVOTE:

Hmm.. Lemmee do an Iso read.

Your scum read votes for someone so you unvote and listen to them? That makes absolutely no sense. You could've looked through xyzzy's ISO without unvoting first. This just looks to me like you knew the whole time that rb was town, his wagon didn't gain enough traction and you were getting ready to hop off his wagon and join him on the xyzzy wagon

[BlackStar]

rb, well i did an iso read and gotta say I'm actually surprised that her vote still stays on mas y menos despite saying you're a strong lynch candidate which is kinda alarming for me.

VOTE: xyzzy

Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.

And I'm sorry for voting you, rb because I just don't like what you're doing rn. Explain it would get me replaced but Imma trust you now. And also, I did a xyzzy iso so I don't quite sheep you.

You move of a vote that's allegedly based off of a strong meta reason to vote someone based off of 1 thing you don't like. And it's not even actually scummy. You make it seem like people can't have multiple scum reads. What's wrong with wanting someone lynched and thinking someone else is scummy enough to deserve a lynch as well?

@key It's beginning to look like you just jump on whichever wagon is gaining momentum

It's my play style. I'm voting her to force her to answer the damn question. And I'll decide if I'll keep voting her than unvoting.

And if she answers, I'll decide...

EBWOP

You said that and then didn't reply at all when you actually got an answer. You don't even need to vote someone to get them to answer a question. Those last 2 posts (I guess they're technically 1 post) felt overly dramatic and like you were trying way to hard to justify your vote. What's even more ridiculous is that you started acting serious about this and then immediately moved back to the mas wagon in your next post. So you voted one scum read and then voted his scum read. Then you moved off that wagon and voted for that scum read's scum read. You're all over the place...

[BlackStar]

Key: are you okay with Mas lynch?

I'm okay with lynching Mas. I gotta say i kinda agree with what Comparing Realities say. Since the early game, I really suspect him though and my gut feeling says he's scum. I can't read him. Well, my read is like he's too scummy to be town.

And I believe when CR made a wall post that basically 50% of it is all about Mas, Mas voted CR which struck me. And since xyzzy doesn't want to answer my question, She can be lynched D3 and we'll win. But rn, Mas is a good lynch for D1.

I know, I'm putting Mas at L-1 but we need things moving.
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

You've scum read mas this whole time yet barely said anything about him? Seems legit... And then you go on to imply that if someone makes a post about you and you vote them back it can only be OMGUS and that mad must be scum because of this. Oh, xyzzy didn't answer the question? Then it makes even less sense for you to not pressure her for an answer. And I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that not answering a question = scum. I notice that you said "If we lynch xyzzy day 3 we'll win". That leads me to believe you're saying we'll mislynch on the first 2 days. If you believe that strongly that X is scum why wouldn't you leave your vote on her and keep pushing for her lynch?

[BlackStar]

I didn't clearly stated Post 97.

And the fact that I unvoted rb is because

1) I could push a lynch without breaking the rules.
2) I realized my reason is pointless

I don't want to clearly explain my vote on rb without breaking the rules so I'm sorry.

You could explain without specifically talking about current games. Talk about things you don't like about him in this game

[BlackStar]

Sorry for clogging up the thread


P-edit: okay. But that just makes me more sure that you're just voting for anyone

[BlackStar]

Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.

sorry for missing this question earlier

I don't feel as strongly about rb now, because I think the explanation given for the whole skimming wall posts thing was reasonable (and I'll be the first to admit that I completely missed post 108). rb hasn't done anything that really screams "town" to me but also doesn't seem so much like scum now.

this isn't related to the actual game, but rb, you don't have anything listed under the "pronoun" section of your account profile--what do you prefer?

You finally got your answer, Key. Thoughts?

[BlackStar]

Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.

sorry for missing this question earlier

I don't feel as strongly about rb now, because I think the explanation given for the whole skimming wall posts thing was reasonable (and I'll be the first to admit that I completely missed post 108). rb hasn't done anything that really screams "town" to me but also doesn't seem so much like scum now.

this isn't related to the actual game, but rb, you don't have anything listed under the "pronoun" section of your account profile--what do you prefer?

You finally got your answer, Key. Thoughts?

She still feels scummy.

She said rb is a strong lynch candidate and later says, "I don't feel as strongly about rb now.. etc etc" which is kinda alarming.

I've been going back and forth with Mas y Menos because they don't like they're serious which on my read is too scummy to be scum.

So, who should I vote for? I think it's xyzzy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: xyzzy

Why is it alarming?

[BlackStar]

Edit by way of post

[BlackStar]

You can't edit posts, so if you want to fix a typo or add something to one of your posts then you just quote it and fix it

[BlackStar]

Join the key wagon then

[BlackStar]

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

What do you want to discuss?

[BlackStar]

Town: rb
Town lean:mas, btd
Null:gamma, alchemist
Scum lean:comparing realities
Scum: xyzzy, key

[BlackStar]

Can every person voting key please summarise the reasons they're voting key?

I already made the long case, so I do have to talk about all that again?

[BlackStar]

You lack of effort in trying to save yourself isn't doing anything to convince me that you're not caught scum

[BlackStar]

If he's town, why has he been at L-1 forever now?

[BlackStar]

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

If you honk someone is scum, and they're at L-1, why would you unvote? That makes zero sense

[BlackStar]

*think

[BlackStar]

But that's dumb if we're literally right on the verge of lunching someone who you scum read

[BlackStar]

Looking back at this posts again...

Actually, I have an idea where to go.
VOTE: xyzzy
Multiple people have connected you to key. What do you have to say about that?

It looks like you only moved your vote because you saw this post and thought that maybe this wagon would gain some traction since the key wagon has stalled.

I've read over keyenpeydee's ISO a couple times and this feels more like a townie who is at times playing poorly then scum to me

[BlackStar]

Let's try to put xyzzy on L-1 and see where it goes.

Lmao look at this little opportunist

[BlackStar]

It's weird that you had your vote on X for ages now and didn't try to push it at all until a couple of people started talking about him again. I mean, you were at L-1. Why didn't you fight hard to get him lynched? I just think the timing of that post was grimy as hell

[BlackStar]

It's weird that you had your vote on X for ages now and didn't try to push it at all until a couple of people started talking about him again. I mean, you were at L-1. Why didn't you fight hard to get him lynched? I just think the timing of that post was grimy as hell

I don't want to push it because I want everybody to know it.

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[BlackStar]

Its hilarious how you're not even hiding your desperation now. You're just jumping onto any wagon and hoping it'll go through instead of your own

[BlackStar]

At this point its starting to look like you're just trolling. Can we lynch him already?

[BlackStar]

That's a self hammer. Why do you scum read me?

[BlackStar]

I scumread xyzzy because he placed a vote down early on and hasn't moved it, pushed hard for the lynch of that vote or done any scum hunting at all really. He's basically just here floating around.

[BlackStar]

I see. That's understandable. If Key flips scum, how would that affect your xyzzy read?

Not sure

[BlackStar]

I guess that would make it more likely that xyzzy is scum

[BlackStar]

Both

[BlackStar]

@Alchemist

There was nothing dodgy about it. In fact, you even said that my reasoning was understandable. Its kind of interesting that you voted me because I just came to the conclusion that the most likely scum team is you and Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

[BlackStar]

Gamma votes for Key here.

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

And then he posts his reads list here.

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

Key isn't at the bottom of his list, Achemist is. So if Alchemist is his strongest scum read, why didn't he vote for him? In fact he never even explained that read at all.

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

And then we have this god awful post. "I scum read someone who is at L-1, but I'm going to hop off their wagon." It still makes absolutely no sense to me and I don't know why we let him get away with this.

Actually, I have an idea where to go.
VOTE: xyzzy
Multiple people have connected you to key. What do you have to say about that?

He's still not voting for his top scum read, Alchemist. And Xyzzy was was close to the bottom of his list before. That means that theoretically, he should've had some reasons for having xyzzy near the bottom of his list. If he was already scum reading xyzzy before then why does he act like he's only voting him because other people have connected him to Key? Better yet, why doesn't he just go back to voting for Key?

So yeah, the only reason I can see for Gamma having alchemist at the bottom of his reads list and never voting for or talking about him is that they're scum buddies together

[BlackStar]

@BlackStar: I randomized my list. If I wanted to quantify I would have explained them.

It's interesting that you never told us before that it was randomized. Its also interesting that you didn't explain ANY of those reads.

[BlackStar]

I don't believe you. And townies don't want to deprive other townies of potentially helpful information

[BlackStar]

@Alchemist

There was nothing dodgy about it. In fact, you even said that my reasoning was understandable. Its kind of interesting that you voted me because I just came to the conclusion that the most likely scum team is you and Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

Yes, but then 390 made my skin crawl when it happened, and then the two posts after that were lackluster or void of explanation, and all that together is what seems so dodgy.

I don't see how that could make your skin crawl lol

[BlackStar]

hey, people who aren't Alchemist21: what do you think of the plan I proposed in 398?

I don't really get it

[BlackStar]

Gamma/mas y Menos
Alchemist21/xyzzy
Comparing realities/BTD6_maker

[BlackStar]

Oh, I didn't alphabetize it.

Pedit: what he asked for

[BlackStar]

Blackstar, Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald

Alchemist21, Mas y Menos, Xyzzy

Which line is scum and which line isn't?

[BlackStar]

First is town, based on past reads.

Mine had scum first

[BlackStar]

And Mas's can be concluded by process of elimination.

How you format it doesn't matter, it's the fact you do it.

I wasn't trying to argue that. I thought that when you said "based on past reads" you meant based on the past lists that the rest of us made. Mine was different, so I said that. I didn't get that you meant based on his past reads

[BlackStar]

Gamma/mas y Menos
Alchemist21/xyzzy
Comparing realities/BTD6_maker

The left side is scum and the right side is town.

[BlackStar]

So how did CR get in the scumreads and Xyzzy in the Town reads?

Xyzzy being scum was dependent on key being scum. Plus I reread his iso and it wasn't really that bad. CR has basically been floating around making large posts that basically say nothing. I don't scum read him, but X asked us to divide everyone into the 2 groups so i put him with scum. He's null.

[BlackStar]

I see. That's understandable. If Key flips scum, how would that affect your xyzzy read?

Not sure

I guess that would make it more likely that xyzzy is scum

[BlackStar]

I'm not scum reading him

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, I don't think you read Day 1 very well. In case it wasn't apparent by my posts: I scumread key the most Day 1.

Did I ever say that you didn't?

[BlackStar]

Oh, I misread that last post. I thought you said "I scumread key for most of day 1". You definitely never said that he was your top scum read

[BlackStar]

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

Sheeping Comapring Realities

L-1

rb, this wagon isn't shit. Hop on.

WHAT
You pretty much doubled everyone's suspicions of you with that last line. You acknowledge L-1 AND THEN YOU TELL SOMEONE TO HAMMER?

...
I don't even know what to say...
EXCEPT LYNCH THIS SHIT!

VOTE: key
In fact, I've changed my mind. I think rb is key's partner now.

Well that was...something.
Key if you are somehow town I will eat a fucking shoe. I don't think I'll be eating a shoe though.

Please don't actually do this; a) shoes aren't very nutritious, b) bets involving outside-game activities arguably violate the site rules (and the reflection in my ruleset as rule C4), although it's somewhat unclear because the rules don't consider the case in much detail. I've edited my rules to make this clearer, adding a new rule C5 that covers the situation — callforjudgement

@BlackStar: Looking at this, do you really think it could have been any different?

Yes. Nobody would unvote their top scum read when they got to L-1. There's no justifiable reason to do that. And if you don't explicitly say "this is my top scum read", none of us can assume that.

[BlackStar]

Your arms must be tired from all that reaching

[BlackStar]

To the people thinking scum would jump off an L-1 wagon they know is Town,

Scum would not do that. If you're scum, and the Town wagon you're on is at L-1, you are getting no flak for it, and there's a good chance they're going to be lynched, you stay on the lynch and let it happen. This is why gamma is Town.

I've played a lot of games with firebringer, in fact he's probably the player I've played with most out of anyone else on the site. He's definitely more serious and cares more about the game when he's Town than when he's scum. His reaction to his L-1 status yesterday proved to me that he's Town.

And because of my confidence in firebringer being Town, I am also that confident in CR being Town for the same reason that Gamma is Town - they unvoted a Town wagon at L-1.

Those are my 3 Townreads and why I am extremely confident in all of them.

Black Star is my most confident scumread because of his dodgy responses to my questions at the end of they day yesterday, and how he's someone shifted his read

from xyzzy to CR for the same reason he was scumreading xyzzy while now Townreading xyzzy.

He also blatantly lied about how much his xyzzy read depended on Key's flip (he even quoted the lie, and I'll re-quote it if you people need me to).

The shift from xyzzy to CR is what makes me lean on xyzzy being the scumpartner to Black Star, but I'm not certain of that. I am certain that the partner is either xyzzy or BTD, just on the PoE of the 3 Townreads.

1) there was nothing dodgy about my responses
2) I'm not scum reading comparing realities. I've already said that so I don't know why you're ignoring it. I guess it's because it doesn't fit in with your tunnel on me.
3) I didn't lie about anything lol. I said I wasn't sure how it would affect my read and then in the post directly after it I said that if key was scum then xyzzy was probably scum. Key was town and most of my reason for scumreading xyzzy was that they were defending each other, so it wouldn't make sense to still scum read him after that flip.

Come at me with another BS post, Bruh.

[BlackStar]

I'd rather lynch Gamma now.

[BlackStar]

So how did CR get in the scumreads and Xyzzy in the Town reads?

Xyzzy being scum was dependent on key being scum. Plus I reread his iso and it wasn't really that bad. CR has basically been floating around making large posts that basically say nothing.

I don't scum read him, but X asked us to divide everyone into the 2 groups so i put him with scum. He's null.

Once again, I don't know why you're ignoring this.

And these 2 posts show me finding a link between key and xyzzy.

Key: are you okay with Mas lynch?

I'm okay with lynching Mas. I gotta say i kinda agree with what Comparing Realities say. Since the early game, I really suspect him though and my gut feeling says he's scum. I can't read him. Well, my read is like he's too scummy to be town.

And I believe when CR made a wall post that basically 50% of it is all about Mas, Mas voted CR which struck me. And since xyzzy doesn't want to answer my question, She can be lynched D3 and we'll win. But rn, Mas is a good lynch for D1.

I know, I'm putting Mas at L-1 but we need things moving.
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

You've scum read mas this whole time yet barely said anything about him? Seems legit... And then you go on to imply that if someone makes a post about you and you vote them back it can only be OMGUS and that mad must be scum because of this.

Oh, xyzzy didn't answer the question? Then it makes even less sense for you to not pressure her for an answer.

And I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that not answering a question = scum. I notice that you said "If we lynch xyzzy day 3 we'll win". That leads me to believe you're saying we'll mislynch on the first 2 days.

If you believe that strongly that X is scum why wouldn't you leave your vote on her and keep pushing for her lynch?

[It's weird that you had your vote on X for ages now and didn't try to push it at all until a couple of people started talking about him again. I mean, you were at L-1. Why didn't you fight hard to get him lynched? I just think the timing of that post was grimy as hell

So yeah, you either aren't reading properly or yore desperate to attempt to paint me in a scummy light. And once again, my responses weren't dodgy. If you're the only one who thinks that, then it's obviously not true.

[BlackStar]

*you're

[BlackStar]

@conparing realities If you think that mas is scum, then why wouldn't you stay on the wagon and ask gamma to hammer? It doesn't make sense to jump off.

[BlackStar]

It's also weird that he's been at L-1 for ages now and nobody has asked him to claim to anything

[BlackStar]

*or anything

[BlackStar]

Well claiming has no point because there are no PRs.

Really?

[BlackStar]

Oh, you're right. I didn't look at the first post

[BlackStar]

If you hadn't said anything though, someone might've have slipped and fake claimed and then we'd know that they were scum

[BlackStar]

I've never been in a game that didn't have one, so I just assumed that this one did too

[BlackStar]

I've never been in a game that didn't have one, so I just assumed that this one did too

this is a really bizarre thing to not notice, but it feels like a mistake that scum wouldn't make.

The opening post of every game generally says pretty much the same thing, so I usually don't bother reading them

[BlackStar]

I guess he just learned about multi-quoting

[BlackStar]

Also, are you guys never

off

the forums?

My classes this semester are ridiculously easy, so I have a lot of free time. I leave this site open on a tab on my phone and look at it while I do other stuff

[BlackStar]

he voted mas and xyzzy

[BlackStar]

^ Posted too early on mistake, ignore.

Alright, there are three possibilities that just happened here, given the following constraints:

A) Black claims to have not known this was purely vanilla
B) Gamma was the one who responded to Black, giving Black's claims credit
C) Gamma does not believe that this is a thing that "scum would not do"

Which raises the following possibilities:

1) Black is scum who genuinely did not know this was purely vanilla. Unlikely; PRs would undoubtedly be a topic of conversation during the night. This would mean that both Black and his partner did not read the first post, which is terribly unlikely.

10%

2) Black is scum who knew this was purely vanilla, but fabricated this as a townslip. His partner would necessarily be Gamma, and they orchestrated this. (Partner doesn't have to be Gamma, but it's the most likely explanation. It feels awfully coordinated.) The initial interaction does feel a bit too peppy, almost cheeky; the same person who sarcastically posted a gif of a guy bleating "ANOTHER ONE" is also the guy now giving off an innocent air of "Hmm, Really? Didn't know that. Huh." But then Gamma tried to shoot down xyzzy's assertion that this was a townslip, and I also just remember that they hate eachother. So this is unliekly, also.
...Then again, today

is

the day for bussing, and neither are off-the-rails amped for the death of the other...

20%

3) Black is town who genuinely did not know this was purely vanilla.

70%

For scenario 2, what would be the probability that Black Star is scum, gamma is Town scumreading him for that, and Xyzzy is the scumbuddy trying to cover for Black Star?

0%

[BlackStar]

I'm starting to think that alchemist isn't scum and he's just bad town that's locked in a death tunnel

[BlackStar]

xyzzy, would you care to respond to my accusations instead of flat-out ignoring them like every other player I've raised objections to?

Who else have you raised objections to?

[BlackStar]

I feel like mas would've been hammered already if he was town

[BlackStar]

*they were

[BlackStar]

I feel like mas would've been hammered already if he was town

It's possible both scum are already on the wagon and nobody off the wagon wants to hammer.

If they're both on the wagon, why isn't anyone trying to convince us to hammer him? We've been sitting around doing nothing for days now.

[BlackStar]

@Comparing realities I'm trying to gauge people's reactions to see how they feel about a mas hammer. Nobody seems to care about this game anymore so I've been tempted to just go ahead and do it.

[BlackStar]

I don't need my decison to be popular. If I hammer him and then he flips town then I'll get lynched tomorrow and we'll lose. And don't know how you can believe that I'm scum buddies with anyone.

[BlackStar]

Fuck. I don't want to be the deciding vote on this

[BlackStar]

I'm never scum, so you're wasting your time scum reading me

[BlackStar]

You're dumb. If I was scum I would've just hammered mas ages ago instead of asking about it. I'm an extremely impulsive guy. I wouldn't have asked about the mas stuff before voting if I was scum. I would've just done it. I'm not strongly suck reading mas or x, so why the fuck would I want to be in this position?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: xyzzy

I hope this is right

[BlackStar]

But if you're an extremely impulsive guy in general--if you're saying that's just who you are, and impulsivity is NAI for you, just as being controlled is for BTD6--

Then why didn't you hammer Mas?You also "wouldn't have asked about the man stuff" if you were town, either, if you're just a naturally extremely impulsive guy.

Are you retracting your scum read of Mas? Because, whether you meant to or not, you slipped your true read here:

I feel like mas would've been hammered already if he was town

p-edit:
Oh. You, uhh, actually did it. .-.

Because being impuslive has worked out badly lately. I "asked the man" because I didn't want people jumping down my throat on the next day if I screwed up. And that true read stuff that you brought up is bs. I was suspicious of how long he was at L-1, yeah, but I didn't really see any of mas's posts as scummy so it wasn't really a scum read.

[BlackStar]

welp

Any last thoughts to share?

[BlackStar]

welp

Any last thoughts to share?

nope.

I'll take that as a scum claim.

[BlackStar]

That guy is creepy.

how dare you say that about Elijah Wood? have you no shame?

Not really.

Elijah Wood is awesome.

[BlackStar]

I looked back at the vote counts. One day 1, xyzzy wasn't on key's mislynch wagon. He was voting for mas on both days. I doubt that both him and his partner were off key's wagon on day 1. The people who were on it were me, gamma, alchemist mas and key. Key flipped town, I'm town and xyzzy was pushing mas so hard that mas probably isn't his partner. So that just leaves Alchemist and gamma as X's possible partners. Alchemists posts about me have been pretty terrible, but I believe that he really believes what he's saying so I guess he's town. So that just leaves Gamma. Gamma was on the mas wagon yesterday too, so I'm pretty sure he's the last scum.

VOTE: gamma

[BlackStar]

Like I said yesterday, if it's not Black it's BTD. I almost wagoned BTD with you but I don't want anyone at L-1 before they've both had a chance to post.

No I meant explanation on me being more "townie" and you don't explain why black is out of your grouping when you had him as scum.
Thought that was odd

I didn't realize you wanted the top 2 specifically. That would be BlackStar and BTD. You are more towny by the fact that I scumread both BlackStar and BTD more, nothing you did really affected it.

If he's townier, why were you mostly trying to lynch him yesterday? Explain your town read on mas and your scum reads on me & btd.

[BlackStar]

No I meant explanation on me being more "townie" and you don't explain why black is out of your grouping when you had him as scum.
Thought that was odd

I didn't realize you wanted the top 2 specifically. That would be BlackStar and BTD. You are more towny by the fact that I scumread both BlackStar and BTD more, nothing you did really affected it.

Like I said yesterday, if it's not Black it's BTD.

I almost wagoned BTD with you but I don't want anyone at L-1 before they've both had a chance to post.

You saying something doesn't magically make it true.

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to have those first 2 quotes in the last post

[BlackStar]

Which comments? And you didn't explain your BTD scum read at all.

[BlackStar]

If you think one of me or btd is scum, then why haven't you voted for either of us yet?

[BlackStar]

Who do you scumread right now?

[BlackStar]

I looked back at the vote counts. One day 1, xyzzy wasn't on key's mislynch wagon. He was voting for mas on both days. I doubt that both him and his partner were off key's wagon on day 1. The people who were on it were me, gamma, alchemist mas and key. Key flipped town, I'm town and xyzzy was pushing mas so hard that mas probably isn't his partner. So that just leaves Alchemist and gamma as X's possible partners. Alchemists posts about me have been pretty terrible, but I believe that he really believes what he's saying so I guess he's town. So that just leaves Gamma. Gamma was on the mas wagon yesterday too, so I'm pretty sure he's the last scum.

VOTE: gamma

What did you guys think of this?

[BlackStar]

@BlackStar: can you give your top two scumreads?

You're my top scum read for the reasons I've already given. If it's not you, then it might be BTD because he always voted with xyzzy

[BlackStar]

Cool avatars

[BlackStar]

If we just lynch Gamma the game can end already

[BlackStar]

Actually, if CR's reads were right, and he was killed for that, BlackStar is scum.

Why would I nk the person who would bring the most suspicion onto me?

[BlackStar]

It would make much more sense to kill someone who didn't suspect me

[BlackStar]

:l can we do something?

[BlackStar]

Interesting that you decided to vote for me right when people said they were ready to hammer you

[BlackStar]

Don't know why that got posted twice

I deleted the duplicate of #739 that you accidentally posted — callforjudgement

[BlackStar]

Interesting that you decided to vote for me right when people said they were ready to hammer you

That is why I voted. Keeping my vote on Alchemist would guarantee that Town would be lynched due to the unlikelihood of the lynch happening. Voting you in this situation is optimal.

I'm town, so its sub optimal. And you waiting to vote for me until people were ready to hammer you makes it obvious that you're just trying to save your own skin and you don't really care who gets lynched as long as its not you.

[BlackStar]

blackstar can you vote btd with us

~Menos

I still think its more likely that its gamma.

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, this is rather illogical. You think he is trying to save his own skin but still scumread me more? How?

Because all the evidence points towards you being the last scum. I already posted the VCA

[BlackStar]

My scumread on you is strengthening BlackStar. It's a frequent scum tactic to vote one person while pressuring another.

Like you're attempting to do right now?

[BlackStar]

we can lynch btd tomorrow

~Menos

This post implies that you already knew I was town before you hammered me. How else would you know that there would be another day?

[BlackStar]

How is that a reach? You hammered someone and then said "lets lynch this other person tomorrow". A normal post from town would be "I hope I got this right" or something like that

[BlackStar]

the best lynches for town would have been either btd or gamma. Now we're fucked unless we miraculously pick the right person in lylo

[BlackStar]

Even though we lost, it feels good to know that my read was accurate

[BlackStar]

Menos, why didn't you wait before making the vote?