Micro 643: Desperation Day (Game Over)

[Mas y Menos]

The menos head is here to inform you all that we didn't happen to roll scum, nor a horrible role.

How are you all?

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

So I'm pretty much like the best Mafia player ever, right? So I just walk into a game and I feel it I get my skills and I rub 'em just all over the place, over the walls, over the floor, over your nice pretty shoes and that's how I do it. You can always tell a scum by the way they're hunted and, listen closely now: I don't do hunting. I just sniff at them, and if they blink, that tells me something about 'em, loads of it. Not necessarily going to tell you what the blink means, you methodfishing scumturd, but suffice it to say, it's for deep, deep psychological reasons, reasons so deep that if you knew how they worked, you'd also know that daddy was right when he left you. Any attempt to scumread me will be met with failure; I'll merely flip my hair, claim to feel pretty, and watch your delicate tiptoeing around my feelings, don't breathe the air they've seeded it with thoughts. And you know what? I pity the fool! You guys have to play with me, you ain't leaving without a few moments of indescribably loneliness! All you know and love is subject to the whims of a few elite assassins, and I don't intend to let them get away with it! My job is to kill the killers. I'm in the Moral Right here. I could eat a kitten and get away with it if it were for the greater good. I claim bomb. Our job is to rid ourselves of the scum plague before it completely devours us. In the end, we can expect a survivorship of two town, out of the nine we began with, and that's considered good for some reason, you feel me? Stop feeling, it prevents aging. I am indescribably lonely. If town kills someone, it's an Honest Mistake we make because The Other Guy Was Bad, but if scum kills us, it's just legit biz. So I don't care what you think, I don't care what advice you have to offer, I don't care what love is, all I know is that you are an enemy, and my job is to feast on your flesh.
And feast I will.
Without blinking.

I stopped reading after "I am the best mafia player" and couldn't stop laughing.

[Mas y Menos]

Guys, since we auto win if we lynch Mafia on Day 3
I suggest we just skip both Day 1 and Day 2.

We can still scumhunt until then, but I don't want to lynch anyone till day 3. Especially not strongest scumread till then.
Because we don't need to lynch both scum, just on the right day.

Thoughts?

~menos

[Mas y Menos]

I only claim scum as town though.
So that means I am town here.

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

So what you think of delaying lynches to ensure a town win on day 3?
I doubt we will lynch 2 scum days 1 and 2. Statistically thats not likely.
Also would be harder to lynch a scum on day 3 if there are only 1 of them.

And if we just do mislynches then there are less town to figure it out.

I think we should do it!

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

and go into day 3 with basically no info besides who died nights 1 and 2 and which players agreed to no lynch? that seems like a wildly bad idea

That is enough info for me.

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

VOTE: key

I rly hate people pre-announcing that they're gonna do scummy shit and then pretending like the scummy shit they do is not scummy.

Kind of think Rb is town so I managed to get one read so far.

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

I don't like this post.

What do you not like about it Key?

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

I don't like this post.

What do you not like about it Key?

~Menos

First of all, On that post, You said we should just skip D1 and D2 because we auto win when we lynched a Mafia D3. So how do we lynch scum if we don't have any evidences and info?

NL-ing on D1 and D2 is never a good choice. There's still a chance that if we lynched a mafia D1 or D2, We can use some things that he town read the most, Which have a possibility it's his scum buddy.

For me, you are the most scummy here and I don't get your point.

VOTE: Mas y Menos

My point was that mislynching on day 1 is likely cause we are at zero information vantage point.
We maybe lynch scum day 2 but then its hard to lynch them on day 3 because now theres only one.

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Like the chance of scum lynch on day 1 is objectively low.
A player on my homesite once did an analysis of lynches day 1, it hit scum in 5% of the total games.
And games where the town no lynched on day 1 they had an 20% higher chance of winning then if they did lynch day 1.

Sometimes day 1 lynch is just not optimal.

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Also I play the game by finding and lynching scum, everything else is arbitrary and boring and shit imo. I'm not playing gimmicks.

Gimmicks are more fun.

Aside: Me and other half of the hydra had a fight over who should be called "Menos" apparently he thinks he should be called that.
WHatever, I am the Mas half now.

All previous posts were made by me.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

also I don't trust your home site as a good source of info because that's entirely dependent upon the site meta. does your home site focus on mostly setups with lots of power roles, for instance? if so, those numbers are completely irrelevant to this game.

Likewise, I dont trust your math at all because it hasn't been tested by practical application.
Theory math sucks.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Gimmicks are bad and we're not doing it.

Yes we are.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I prefer my plan.

My plans are great

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I'm going to bed. I hope Mas is dead by the time I wake up.

That makes no sense.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

the mathematical probability of certain events happening is literally half of the entire basis on which the balance of mafia games is based (the other half is that town is, on average, not that good). you're arguing that town should do something that is objectively not in their best interest when you have direct evidence for why that's the case right in front of you

Thats not direct evidence dipshit thats fucking theoritical math.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

No it isn't, math can't pinpoint the true trajectory of a game of mafia unless you believe that all human action is done on the same basis that is predictable.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

No, in fact, we likely have an even better chance if we lynch, as we can get vote reactions. This guy's not getting it at all.

A vote reaction to a mislynch train usually leads to very little info.
Can you pinpoint games in which mislynches helped you solve the game by how people went on the wagons?

Cause I can show you were mislynch trains compound on each other because town misreads town and other town thinks that other one was being scum pushing that, far more often then the opposite.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

are you saying math isn't a source of factual information? like........ that's just.......................... objectively wrong

No. That isn't what I am saying.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I thought he was saying that you shouldn't rely solely on math to predict how people will act in the game. Which is kind of ironic because he's the one who brought up math in the first place

Its mostly hypocritical.
I am just trying to get support for my idea.

I don't believe my data shows how players actually play. I think people just eat up data easily.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Mas y Menos I am having a

bit

of a dilemma here, and I need your help. I need to figure out which of these numbers is bigger, but I just can't figure it out! can you help?

a)43
b)38

any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated! thanks~

38 is obviously the bigger one.

Think about it.
3 is a small guy, but 8 is there backing him up.
Think of the numbers they make together?

11
While 43 only make 7.

Obvious choice.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

thnx 4 the help <3

If I was mafia, I would kill you night 1.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

No, in fact, we likely have an even better chance if we lynch, as we can get vote reactions. This guy's not getting it at all.

A vote reaction to a mislynch train usually leads to very little info.
Can you pinpoint games in which mislynches helped you solve the game by how people went on the wagons?

Cause I can show you were mislynch trains compound on each other because town misreads town and other town thinks that other one was being scum pushing that, far more often then the opposite.

~Mas Y

Missed this Gamma

[Mas y Menos]

Can you let other people answer first?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I have seen votes meant to bait reactions on EpicMafia plenty of times. It's not only about successful wagons.

Interesting, we don't do "reaction" wagons really on here.
Unless by reaction wagon you call the RVS reaction wagons.

I suppose you are talking about later stages of game, not just beginning?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

1: What is your preferred faction?
2: What would you say you bring to the game that others don't?
3: Tell me a bit about your username, signature, and/or avatar.

I don't feel these questions are helpful, except maybe the 2nd.

1) Scum as of late. I don't like being part of the town, its always frustrating.
2) I bring more tone reading in players posts to see if it matches what they are actually saying.
3) No, its a hydra.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

No that's definitely beginning stuff.

Then I disagree with you, most reaction wagons at beginning of the game I think are relatively worthless beyond generating talking points.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

McMenno's probably trolling anyway and fire is letting him.

This has been fire the whole time.

Mcmenno hasn't posted yet lol.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

And this is why you should go by Mas. I thought you were kidding about the name fight with mcmenno or that it happened before the game.

Honestly it wa a continuation of a joke in site chat that mcmenno called me Menos when I posted there so I lol decided to call me menos in this game.

I like confusing people sometimes on who is posting.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

these questions are mostly inane and pointless but I'll answer them for the thought exercise

Here it is:
1: What is your preferred faction?
2: What would you say you bring to the game that others don't?
3: Tell me a bit about your username, signature, and/or avatar.
My answers:
1: I would have to say town because the game feels more relaxed.
2: I bring a sense of humor I would say is nigh unrivaled.
3: My username is an old idea of a Pokemon Emerald remake. My signature is a quote from a webcomic, and I find the quote works really well here.

And about those wagons, I have seen votes meant to bait reactions on EpicMafia plenty of times. It's not only about successful wagons.

1. I do like playing as third party a lot, especially jester
2. aren't we all
3. my username comes from my minecraft username, minecraftermenno (thought up when I was the ripe age of 10), I shortened it to mcmenno and it has been my internet nomer ever since. my signature is some choice quotes about me. my avatar is a grass block from minecraft

I guess I'll add those.
4: What is your experience with Mafia?
5: Who here have you played with before?
My answers
4: One near complete off site forum game, one ongoing game here, many EM games, and many IRL games.
5: No one.

4. I've played plenty of games f2f and on here
5. most everyone except key and you, I think

4.) All the games listed on my wiki page, plus numerous games offsite.

5.) Just the firebringer head of the mas y menos hydra.

Also yes, hydra head can always talk together.

eh, we've played together technically

~the REAL Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Comparing Realities is the only one pinging me right now:

VOTE: Comparing Realities


I have town on Alchemist, Rb, XYZ.
Rest Null.

Also Alchemist, I think this continues the trend of us being same alignment

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

hey firebringer, should we vote the dabbing panda?

I feel like that's the plan

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

hey firebringer, should we vote the dabbing panda?

I feel like that's the plan

~Menos

I don't know, the townvibes I was getting off him are kind of just gone.
He doesn't feel like he actually is sorting players anymore.

Meh.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I wanted to hear what rb actually had to say about this before I did this, and now I've heard what rb has to say about it, and... like... yikes

I'm gonna keep my vote on Mas y Menos because I feel like they're trying to fly under the radar so that we'll forget anything scummy they've done, but rb is definitely a solid lynch candidate at the moment

BTD6_maker has hardly said anything at all, and hasn't really said much of anything of substance. not a huge fan of that.

Wait, how are we trying to fly under the radar?

I was the one attracting the most attention in the first 5 pages?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

rb and Alchemist21 are my only townreads now.
Shame.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I don't like what you are doing, rb.

{deleted: ongoing games discussion — callforjudgement}

Plus, your arguments are plain non sense. Why? It doesn't involve scum hunting; You're arguing about CR's wall post which is meh; Can you explain more clearly why are you voting for xyzzy?

If you don't like this game, consider replacing out.

VOTE: rb

That looks like you're alluding to an ongoing game. Please stay well away from any mention of ongoing games; just because you don't say their name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for people to work out what you mean (and if you

want

people to work out what you mean, you're pretty much talking about the game directly). — callforjudgement

Like if XYZ is scum, this looks like a chainsaw vote.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Who is chainsawing who?

Key is chainsaw defending his ally XYZ..............
How was that not apparent?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Not to be an ass to you Alchemist.
But why you keep referring to stuff as drawing attention or flying under the radar?

The game has 9 players.
ITS VERY VERY HARD for anyone to fly under the radar, so why would that be a concern for scum?
Scum are going to have to pay attention in the game because by sheer numbers thye can't just lurk out of the game.


I don't know. I don't like that argument in this context.
I have read BTD6 as scum before, and I don't know about him now but it doesn't feel the same as that other game.
That might be just because he reads me as town I think though.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Mas, thoughts on this wagon? I have some, but you're the one at risk so I want you to say it first.

Well I think its kind of funny both my scumreads are now on my wagon.
I think this game is simple enough as XYZ and Key being the scum team.

Everyone else by default is town.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I don't like what you are doing, rb.

{deleted: ongoing games discussion — callforjudgement}

Plus, your arguments are plain non sense. Why? It doesn't involve scum hunting; You're arguing about CR's wall post which is meh; Can you explain more clearly why are you voting for xyzzy?

If you don't like this game, consider replacing out.

VOTE: rb

That looks like you're alluding to an ongoing game. Please stay well away from any mention of ongoing games; just because you don't say their name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for people to work out what you mean (and if you

want

people to work out what you mean, you're pretty much talking about the game directly). — callforjudgement

Like if XYZ is scum, this looks like a chainsaw vote.

~Mas Y

See this?
Remember it Day 2.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Null-weak Town: RB, Comparing Realities
Null: Blackstar, Gamma Emerald
Nullscum: Keyenpeydee, Xyzzy
Weak scum: Mas y Menos,Alchemist21

Does this help?

Yeah, I think this is town.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

rb, well i did an iso read and gotta say I'm actually surprised that her vote still stays on mas y menos despite saying you're a strong lynch candidate which is kinda alarming for me.

VOTE: xyzzy

Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.

And I'm sorry for voting you, rb because I just don't like what you're doing rn. Explain it would get me replaced but Imma trust you now. And also, I did a xyzzy iso so I don't quite sheep you.

Pretty sure this was attempt to create distance.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Key: are you okay with Mas lynch?

I'm okay with lynching Mas. I gotta say i kinda agree with what Comparing Realities say. Since the early game, I really suspect him though and my gut feeling says he's scum. I can't read him. Well, my read is like he's too scummy to be town.

And I believe when CR made a wall post that basically 50% of it is all about Mas, Mas voted CR which struck me. And since xyzzy doesn't want to answer my question, She can be lynched D3 and we'll win. But rn, Mas is a good lynch for D1.

I know, I'm putting Mas at L-1 but we need things moving.
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

This reasoning makes no sense again.
The player qualifies our vote by gut, but then explains it by CR reasoning.
So which is it? Was it by gut or were you convinced by CR?

You voted XYZ and think he is scummy of some sorts based on a question yet he is first one on my wagon do you consider that at all? No, it was there to create distance.

Jesus, who has a townread on this slot?

VOTE: Key

No idea if we were already voting him, but this has to go.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Going to talk to Mcmenno, but like I am very confident on my scumreads at this point.
XYZ sucks as a player but this isn't same as other games I don't think. In those he reasonably tried to sort players, even if he sucked at it, this its not present at all.
Key is just terrible either way from all his actions but I am not letting his actions slide just based on them being a newb.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

it would be funny if we self hammered ourselves right now

more fodder for that md thread

~Menos

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Town: Rb and Alchemist21 and BTD6
Lean Town: Blackstar
Null: Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald
Scum: XYZ, Keyenpeydee

So yeah, totally fine if we rushed this day too. Beyond gamma I think everyone else is for very likely town on the wagon.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

If I'm getting lynched, I want yall to focus on mas y menos and xyzzy. Thanks

Why these two btw?
Your reads have been changing rapidly but lately XYZ is always on them.

Can you explain that read anymore?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I think he is setting himself up for too many enemies than he did in the previous game I played with him.
In the prevous one he picked his battles very very meticulously and it showed in his reads.

He wouldn't have many scumreads at a time.
Here he has way more than the other game.
It feels like he is trying to sort people more, and doesn't care who he upsets by doing it.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

For his opening.

Thats bad.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

I don't know who to vote right now though.

Actually, I have an idea where to go.
VOTE: xyzzy
Multiple people have connected you to key. What do you have to say about that?

this series of posts is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very bad

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

It's weird that you had your vote on X for ages now and didn't try to push it at all until a couple of people started talking about him again. I mean, you were at L-1. Why didn't you fight hard to get him lynched? I just think the timing of that post was grimy as hell

I don't want to push it because I want everybody to know it.

I have no idea what you're trying to say

Ditto

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Let's try to put xyzzy on L-1 and see where it goes.

This is horrible.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Also, rb is confirmed not reading any of my posts, and probably none of you guys' either. So I'm taking his reads with a grain of salt for the time being.

He said he wouldn't read wall posts, maybe you shouldn't wall post if you want him to read them.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I read like 60-70% of your posts if I am going to be honest.
Wall posting in general is annoying, but you have done much less bigger walls since your openning, which I appreciate.

What question did you have?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

What question did you have?

~Mas Y

What do you have to respond to my accusations against you? Specifically, I've argued that you knew your plan was a bad idea, but you pushed it almost relentlessly, then suddenly dropped it when it became clear it had almost no support.

I don't agree my plan is a bad idea.
Alchemist can note that I had a similar plan in a different game and i 100% believed in it.

I did drop it because no one was supporting it and it was worthless to keep pushing.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I still think XYZ is really really scummy.
I don't know if its just bias.

I really thought the game was Key and XYZ.

BTW again, fuck that self hammer when we had more than 10 days left.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

This is what I likely think it is in:

Gamma Emerald/XYZ
Gamma Emerald/Comparing Realities
Comparing Realities/Gamma Emerald
Comparing Realities/XYZ

I think its one of those 4 pairs.
Really really unsure which.

I am pretty conf on Alchemist and Blackstar.
Pretty sure BTD6 is also town.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

VOTE: Comparing Realities

Right now I like this more than XYZ though.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Then I guess its just those 3 pairs.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Whats your thoughts on Gamma and CR?

I really thought black star was town yesterday. not feeling same there buddy

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Based on the setup itself this is really the day for scum to buss guys.
I don't know if that was pointed out really either.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I already have explained my list.
If everyone is scumreading XYZ why does he have zero votes?

Jeez
VOTE: XYZ

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Ohh then you should.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

VOTE: Mas y Menos

This is my strongest scumread. Personally, Alchemist is currently slightly weaker than Xyzzy, but both are scumreads.
If a consensus for second scumread is clear, I will switch.

Actually, why am I still your strongest scumreads?
I am a little confused on why this is still your thing.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Alchemist21: 4
BlackStar: 4
BTD6_Maker: 1
Comparing Realities: 3
Gamma Emerald: 4
Mas y Menos: 3
xyzzy: 2

Wait in what world are you the person with the second lowest scumreads?
Thats a messed up world.

Also Alchemist and Blackstar my two top scumreads are scumread 4 times? Fuck that.

You all have bad reads and should feel ashamed

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Why is nobody talking about how Black Star threw the wagon from Mas to Key? We've been over this before. Also, I'm waiting on a certain stimuli to present a certain argument.

Scum: Mas, Black, Alchemist
Town: Gamma, Xyzzy, BTD6

This is by far the worst reads list in this game yet.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Even though I am very sure Mas is scum, I don't want to save them for D3 because A) the 20% they are scum could ruin everything if I'm wrong, and B) I will probably want stability more than better chances going into D3. Double the chance of lynching scum isn't worth it if our reads aren't solid, and right now, I think everyone is scum.

If your town.
Consider lynching XYZ tomorrow pls.

Cause I am flipping town, and your reads list is by far the most terrible thing in this game.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

...Could you unvote, actually? I want to be on the wagon, just as a matter of personal... personship. I started it, I should own it.

Plus I don't trust you to surprise shift your vote towards the end of the day.

VOTE: Mas Y Menos

Nothing against you, really, I just want this to be a controlled, well-though out wagon. The anti-key.

the fuck is this post

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Are you rewording my posts?
I said BlackStar and Alchemist are my top 2 townreads.....

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Alchemist21: 4
BlackStar: 4
BTD6_Maker: 1
Comparing Realities: 3
Gamma Emerald: 4
Mas y Menos: 3
xyzzy: 2

Wait in what world are you the person with the second lowest scumreads?
Thats a messed up world.

Also Alchemist and Blackstar my two top townreads are scumread 4 times? Fuck that.

You all have bad reads and should feel ashamed

~Mas Y

Fixed. Don't know why I said scumreads there.
Yeah, Alchemist and BLackstar are strong town for me.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

You have to understand, I'm not good at making friends.
*ahem*
Love the avatar, fire. <3
...
Can we be friends now?

We can be friends post game if you stop being bad town like I suspect you are being.
In mafia there are no friends! Except the ones I am friendly with because they are my friends. Like alchemist.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Could be. I don't think so anymore, I am leaning more bad town now.
I think your way more likely scum than him.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

fb why is alchemist scum

you can't answer that because you're scum! checkmate

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

wait

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Menos we should talk more lol. Or at least once outside the game thread.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

No, we don't have one.

We both agree your being very weird gamma like all game long.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

the words have been spoken

gamma emerald is very likely scum

xyzzy is scum too

we should lynch gamma emerald tomorrow

~Menos

[Mas y Menos]

Gamma and XYZ final answers.
I think Mcmenno didn't like CR or something don't remember.
I don't think he had Blackstar as strong town as me.

I am ready to get hammered now.
I don't care about this game anymore.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I don't care about this game anymore.

To expand on this, I don't want this seen as "AtE"
I just don't see us moving anywhere productive at all and most of the peoples assumptions especially Comparing Realities I don't think helps this game.

Lynch me and hopefully you can figure out who is scum tomorrow.
We only need to be right tomorrow and with 5 alive tomorrow and 2 of them scum its easier to PoE scum.

Analyze wagons and stuff.

I would hammer myself to give you all a better chance, but not going to do a key.

I still think those two mentioned above should be PoE.

~Mas Y.

Please do hammer though.

[Mas y Menos]

Just because I don't think the day is being productive doesn't mean I should self hammer and deprive the town of options.
If town wants to go around and circles jerking it off, do it.

I am amazed thats the one thing you picked up on and called out.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Okay, I have to conclude that BTD6 is your current third scum read, based on past posts. Mas y Menos, Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess so?
I am leaning more town on CR than BTD6 at the current moment. But I doubt its either of them.

Actually no, I am going to say its more likely CR than BTD6 if I am wrong on either of my scumreads.

If I am wrong about either Blackstar or ALchemist I really need to go by lynch or death. Cause I dont' see myself ever lynching either of those two.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

I got the prod, looks like there was a lynch.
Thinking that alchemist or CR is dying tonight.

[Mas y Menos]

Confirmed scum!
Bet his teammate was on the wagon

-mas y

[Mas y Menos]

Hmmm only comparing realities seems like possibility to me.
I don't know, really think it's gamma tho.

-mas y

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just realized that "nope" counts as last thoughts. so does this post. shit, I'm real bad at not having last thoughts, huh

Naah just bad.
-mas y

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just realized that "nope" counts as last thoughts. so does this post. shit, I'm real bad at not having last thoughts, huh

Naah just bad.
-mas y

wait are you saying that I'm just "bad" as opposed to "real bad"? I guess that's technically a compliment, relatively speaking

I meant bad as in evil.

-mas y

You can take it as a compliment I guess.

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That guy is creepy.

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That guy is creepy.

how dare you say that about Elijah Wood? have you no shame?

Not really.

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Oh, shoot. I really do look like xyzzy's partner, don't I? '^-^

You did really well, xyzzy. I wasn't suspecting you until almost too late.

Ewwww, I take it back your probably not dying.

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I am the nicest person here, obs

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I think gamma is last scum.

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What friends did you make though?
Cause those guys are scum and I will lynch them.

I am a friend of nobody but Alchemist and Mcmenno here.


~~~~~Mas Y

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Pretty sure that kill means it's BTD6

VOTE: BTD6

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Like if it was alchemist I think he would kill blackstar
If it was gamma he would kill alchemist or black star.
BTD6 is only one who makes sense to me as making that terrible kill.

Black star probably would have killed alchemist

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Anyone up for refreshing our reads?
Town: Alchemist, BTD
Scum: Más, BlackStar.

That didn't look like any scum buss to me.

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Alchemist said he was scumreading BlackStar. He wouldn't have killed his scumread.

But nobody was agreeing with him. That's the thing, black star isn't getting lynched.
And CR didn't look that townie so it wasn't like he was über townread

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Like if I know I can't lunch my scum reads as scum I kill them for being unlynchable.
That and other reasons means it can't be Alchemist

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VOTE: Black Star

CR had mild suspicion on BTD, but he was also suspecting Black Star towards the EoD. Either one could have killed him.

If it was black star why not kill you?

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Alchemist you pushed black star way more than CR did.

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Well your reads are terrible gamma

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alchemist two scum, if not black who you think it is? I want this answered by everyone btw.

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Well now that I remembered my calculations BTD is less towny. Hm. Mas may actually be a "townread" now by virtue of being townier than BlackStar and BTD.

alchemist two scum, if not black who you think it is? I want this answered by everyone btw.

Could be you or BTD, leaning BTD ATM.

Huh? Explain.

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No I meant explanation on me being more "townie" and you don't explain why black is out of your grouping when you had him as scum.
Thought that was odd

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Okay.

Btw this has all been obviously mas I think menos is busy.

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He really should get that as a title

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I believe he was telling me his strongest scum read was black star post lynch but i disagreed, we didn't really work that out

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That was already rejected in the Title Fairy topic.

Your face was rejected

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Umm no

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Gamma if you were scum who would you have killed and why?

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sorry fb for making this basically a solo game but hydra games arw a hassle on phone and haven't really been able to get invested in here, maybe a large theme is better for this, anyway

VOTE: einsteinface

for clarity

~Menos

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I might just prod dodge till end of day, I really think it's btd. I don't think it's black star and I am 99% sure it's not alchemist.
Gamma is meh but leaning town overall.

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Unkind if makes ne doubt my townread on black a little.
Wait that's people who scum read?
Nvm.

I don't really think that's useful?

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This is to avoid prodding.
Maybe I should get new avi for october?

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Town should bear in mind that I was the single most Townread person at the end of Day 2, and framing seems likely, to make Town view me as a viable lynch rather than a general Townread. Between me and CR, one had to die, and CR's death casts suspicion on me, so CR died and no one is near-unlynchable.

Okay first off, you being the most "townread person" is pretty darn irrelevant.

You were the one most likely to make that kill because CR reads and pushes don't really point to anyone else. Maybe blackstar but probably not.

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blackstar can you vote btd with us

~Menos

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actually

VOTE: Blackstar

~Menos

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we can lynch btd tomorrow

~Menos

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if you're scum the game's over if you're town I might be nightkilled and get my thoughts down? you're really reaching here

~Memeo

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get ready to get rekt

VOTE: BTD

~Menos