In post 1093, grapes wrote:May not be the best idea to draw conclusions here based on varsoon's last couple games.
Grapes you're doing a really good job wrecking town vibes you give off with posts like this one.
Why on earth
would you try and shoot down a super sensible point like that? It's a Varsoon game so will it work exactly the same as it did then? Probably not. But then again, he gave scum ownership of the spaceship in Space Dandy II which gave them a day 2 win if they had played optimally (and if they had realized it was possible).
But Varsoon's mod meta isn't even fucking RELEVANT to the point Almost50 was making. Varsoon warned us bluntly that he gave scum the means to punish attempts to break this game via flavor. He told us flavor claim at our own risk. Almost50 came along and pointed out that Varsoon recently ran a game where if you claimed your flavor name/character, that info could be used to kill you, and his entire point for posting that was to warn people to freaking be careful.
And you want to dismiss that concern because of mod meta ... after Varsoon went way the hell out of his way to warn us not to try and flavor break the game and flat out told us there are measures in places for the scum team to punish flavor claiming?
What the hell dude?
In post 1098, Reasonably Rational wrote: In post 1086, McMenno wrote: In post 1070, Almost50 wrote:what would YOU have done were you scum and got invited to a hood where it says "X is Town"??
I would do nothing with it. Me and my scumbuds would already know, and the town would have no need to know.
oh and I think mastina said somewhere that yume was conftown too, I don't remember the post though
I don't think these two ideas are so contradictory. Not sharing that x is conftown is the pro town move to do, unless there is a decent chance the person in question will be mislynched. What scum *can't * do in that situation is fail to support that slot, but there is no reason why they need to immediately share the information with town.
With that said, the most concrete thing we can gather from this is that mastin is almost certainly town, since only in the possibility space where both Yume AND mastin are scum AND they decided it would be a great idea to guarantee that if mastin flips scum at some point Yume will always be lynched immediately afterwards...and thats incredibly implausible. If it were someone less clever than mastin, I'd say it was impossible, but as audacious as that move would be, I don't belive the risk would be worth the reward for scum!her.
So yeah, mastins conftown state should be accepted at face value, so we should act appropriately.
-Cerb
Mastin apparently did something to get a game-long alliance with Yume and that confirmed Mastin as town to Yume, and according to the following quote, it confirmed Yume as town to Mastin. Going to go ahead and just assume they're town until there's some compelling reason to think otherwise.
In post 1100, farside22 wrote:Rr: what did you think of grapes points thus far?
I did a reread and the big post is the first time he's really explained his scum reads and they all read for weak reason's in my opinion.
Back and forth. For awhile it was because of his absurd "case" against our slot. Some other stuff I've got in the multi-quote has reinforced the question marks. His "reasoning" for reading us as scum because of me going after Firebringer for inconsistency is just day one bullshit. He hasn't played enough with me to know that I always go after people for being inconsistent or saying things that shouldn't come from them based upon what I know about them and games I've played together with them.
Like ...
NOBODY
who played through Space Dandy II, or any of the following few games where Titus and I were on the same playerlist, could possibly believe that Titus would ever blindly trust me or just info-vomit to me.
And; for the record, despite a very great show of good faith on our part and asking Titus for help planning something, we still don't know the first thing about OWK's role or anything. As I predicted, she isn't saying shit to us or giving us any info.
Firebringer was wrong about something he simply shouldn't be expected to be wrong about, which makes his posts fake, which calls him into serious question. Calling me scum for pushing him on that is just weird.
It looks like you're "trying" in the same way you did in SU original when we proved logically that farside was town and you hammered her and cost us the win.
Too soon?
In post 1148, farside22 wrote: In post 1143, Not Chara wrote: In post 1135, SnarkySnowman wrote:Farside is pretty pissed I scum read her huh. And very much in the way of "what the shit everyone townread me you caught me for nonsense reasons"
i don't really agree with your reasons either. you're sayjng farside is scum who is angry about being caught for bad reasons?
are your reasons bad? why should we be listening to you?
I'm more pissed that players aren't voting for obvious scum then anything.
Make the case. You know how we operate. Give me something that's reasonable and we're your huckleberries.
In post 1188, Not Chara wrote:to anyone thinking of allying with grapes: you will not receive any bonuses you would normally get from allying with a player. and no, no need to bother checking. grapes never said this in the thread. or anywhere. i was told by Varsoon when our alliance was created. grapes' name was not specifically mentioned, but i have a hard time believing the cause was anything other than their role.
VOTE: grapes
pedit: ha.
So grapes has negative utility and didn't claim it?
In post 1194, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: In post 1191, farside22 wrote:
4 votes isn't much of a wagon in this game.
Seeing how yume is I wouldn't follow it.
Ooooooo how about a wagon on cakez!
Vote: sir cakez
You mean four players, all universally regarded as town, and the wagon doesn't take?
Almost50, myself, Yume, and mastina are all on the NC wagon. The NC wagon is facing major resistance.
Why wouldn't scum be hopping on here if the wagon was wrong as a method of discrediting those on the wagon if it was wrong?
This reminds me very much of the wagon on LQ in Sudoken Mafia.
That's kind of a good observation, especially since Yume and Mastin either are legit conftown or would have to be part of a scum team that decided to put Mastin and Yume out as the people to fake being conftown to one another. Like I said earlier: gonna assume they're conftown unless something major comes along to call for a reassessment there. Almost50 is so OTAF it hurts and so that's a wagon with 2 conftown, 1 really obvious town and you ... and it won't move. That's concerning.
In post 1196, farside22 wrote: In post 1194, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: In post 1191, farside22 wrote:
4 votes isn't much of a wagon in this game.
Seeing how yume is I wouldn't follow it.
Ooooooo how about a wagon on cakez!
Vote: sir cakez
You mean four players, all universally regarded as town, and the wagon doesn't take?
Almost50, myself, Yume, and mastina are all on the NC wagon. The NC wagon is facing major resistance.
Why wouldn't scum be hopping on here if the wagon was wrong as a method of discrediting those on the wagon if it was wrong?
This reminds me very much of the wagon on LQ in Sudoken Mafia.
That's a bad reason to keep pushing it.
Won't join
Move on
That's actually a really good reason. If Not Chara is town, why wouldn't we see more people on that wagon? Why are you trying to derail that wagon, in fact?
In post 1203, grapes wrote: In post 1188, Not Chara wrote:to anyone thinking of allying with grapes: you will not receive any bonuses you would normally get from allying with a player. and no, no need to bother checking. grapes never said this in the thread. or anywhere. i was told by Varsoon when our alliance was created. grapes' name was not specifically mentioned, but i have a hard time believing the cause was anything other than their role.
VOTE: grapes
pedit: ha.
lol
Scumfucks voting me for role based on an assumption.
VOTE: Not Chara
If someone is supposed to receive a benefit for allying with another person, then allies with you and does not receive the benefit, it logically follows that you are the reason why.
That's negative utility. You didn't claim it earlier. Why not?
Yes they do
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1: See next quote.
In post 1, Varsoon wrote:
Any and all anti-town factions in this game have day-chat.
~Drixx
