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Post Post #1515 (isolation #200) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:39 am

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In post 1510, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1491, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1487, MariaR wrote:
In post 1486, DrippingGoofball wrote: I'm a 1-shot watcher

Only works on a specific night
Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is
She probably just forgot, it's NAI anyway

Watcher claim is enough reason to leave her alive for a day imo. Watcher is a super powerful role. If she doesn't get a result and she doesn't give us a reason to make us think she's town by tomorrow, we can lynch her then. Thoughts?
If she forgot it is not NAI. Scum would know what setup we have if they make a fake claim so they dont scumslip.
You're right...

So it's either a townslip or a fake townslip. Hmm.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #201) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:09 pm

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In post 1521, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1519, LicketyQuickety wrote:you haven't provided any evidence for why I am Scum. Do some work. Look at my previous games or something.
My evidence is in this thread.
Anyone go read your posts and come to a conclusion.

I don't need to case you to figure you out.
This from the guy who grilled me earlier for not explaining my reads...
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Post Post #1527 (isolation #202) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:26 pm

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Ok, if you want to replace out or if you want me to replace out, say so.
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #203) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:00 pm

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I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

Are you willing to talk to me and stuff on this account, fire?
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #204) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:31 pm

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In post 1544, Vedith wrote:
In post 1541, Infinity 324 wrote:I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

Are you willing to talk to me and stuff on this account, fire?
Who do you think is scum then?
I'll ISO Lickety later. Normally he looks a lot more town when he's scum.
DGB and hiplop are my top scumreads atm. Slandaar is another possible scum, and not sure about fire slot atm. Everyone else I have some degree of townread on.
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #205) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:39 pm

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In post 1553, Firebringer wrote:DGB and hiplop are lazy scumreads IMO, its like the laziest of scumreads.
Maybe, but I think those slots are actually scummy.
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #206) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:57 pm

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In post 1579, Raskolnikov wrote:Infinity keeps doing all the things that I do except he posts it whereas I mostly keep it to myself.
I make a note on something that happens and then see him bring it up with a similar approach., when I was reisoing my townreads leading to this (yesterday and day before?) he literally started doing the same thing in thread.
Look at his reads on each person holistically (+progression), the depth and analysis is really impressive.
:D

Maybe I should just sheep you for the rest of the game

I want to look into kraska and maria slots though. We'll see what vedith has to say though I remember town reading him in quolls
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Post Post #1585 (isolation #207) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:59 pm

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I'll have to look at jarjar's scum game, maybe you're right he can fake this. One of my weaker town reads anyway.

PEdit: yes he was
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #208) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:03 pm

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I think fire's push on me earlier makes sense because reasons I still don't really want to bring up, and then townreading me for
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reasons he can't talk about looks genuine to me on the surface.
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #209) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:08 pm

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Ok makes sense.

Who is scum
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #210) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:14 pm

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Explain LQ and manuel please.
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #211) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:01 am

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In post 1596, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1487, MariaR wrote:Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is
I'm kinda leaning towards slip. Seems too blatant of an attempt to play dumb for scum. Like I feel like scum would be like "no way anyone's gonna buy that"

UNVOTE:
DGB pretty blatantly played dumb in the last game I was in when she was scum.
In post 1603, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1541, Infinity 324 wrote:I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.
I think you're giving too much credit for this. I think u can give him a few town points but there's a lot of scumminess from LQ.
I actually think a lot of the scumminess is just forgetting/contradictions which seem to be NAI for him. I need to meta this but can you give some examples?

You scum dude?
In post 1618, Firebringer wrote:We honestly should all claim today imo since only actions work tonight.
Hmmm

I think this is correct but I won't say why on the off chance that scum is dumb

I'm a PR

In post 1636, Raskolnikov wrote:Idk if FB reaching the same conclusion is a good thing though because I don't know in the first place if it's actually even optimal or good here...
I think it's low downside.
In post 1674, Raskolnikov wrote:Actually how do you judge it if multiple people support it and are willing to hammer.
If 2 people have intent then I don't think whichever is the one to hammer first should be treated that differently from the other one?
Those people get townpoints anyway since scum don't need to overkill.
In post 1677, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1236, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1234, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1230, Manuel87 wrote:If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.
No Fn way. There's no way in heck that scum sticks their neck out for a teammate playing the way KTS is playing.

If he flips scum then I guarantee you that scum is already on the wagon.
In post 1188, Naomi-Tan wrote:Apparently the mod believe getting yourself killed isn't against a win con for both scum and town. now ima just sulk as it is apparent we are stuck with a non-contributor actively trying to die.
LAMIST post while trying to get her scumbuddy replaced because else he is about to die.
In post 1248, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1247, Naomi-Tan wrote:You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

PEdit; They was literally trying to kill themselves... that goes aganist both roles imo..
Are you actually serious? Thats one of the the worst arguments i have ever read.

Also he never voted himself so no he never tried to kill himself.
In post 1258, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1257, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1253, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1249, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1150, Killthestory wrote:please kill me.
So how is that literally trying to kill yourself?
He is literally asking to die, combine that with there activity over yesterday and he was begging for death, there is no two ways to it! he wasn't even trrying to not be scummy and was saying shit to make people less tollerant of themselves.

Pedit; Well there not going to be on the list of people who lynched them, if they think there scum then they should add themselves to the list of people who lynched when we read back we'll not notice it unless we remember this conversation.
He could have killed himself quite easily but he didnt.
I hope this flips scum so i can read you town and ignore you for the rest of the game.
In post 1264, Manuel87 wrote:Well i actually believe that she tried to get him replaced and mod said no.
She wouldnt try that as scum so either she LAMIST that really good or she is town if he flips town.
All extremely scummy posts btw.
Like just really really bad.
If kts flipped scum, you may have a point, but I actually think this looks uninformed. There's no point in basing a push off of the assumption that someone is scum when they're about to flip town, and the "I hope he flips [town]" reads genuine to me.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #212) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:42 am

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People posted so much when I was asleep, now no one's here :(
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #213) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:00 am

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In post 1693, Firebringer wrote:@infinity you are wrong about Manuel. Talk to me when you actually figure him out
:?

Manuel is noob town, contradicting himself isn't really a scumtell. I was scumreading your slot for similar inconsistencies in his read on LQ but I realized he was just really pissed off and was trying to convince himself to scumread LQ.

PEdit: slandaar at least claim whether you're a PR, there's no downside unless you're investigative and scum won't know whether you are or not.
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #214) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:03 am

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Still counts as a noob imo. (Remember the mm?)
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #215) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:10 am

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There's a certain amount of awkardness that comes along with coming to a new site, especially in emotional situations people are more likely to be all over the place and contradict themselves.

Honestly I don't think contradictions are that much of a scumtell in general.

Where did he back off his naomi push?
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #216) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:14 am

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Thing is, the atmosphere was very pro-naomi the entire time. Backing off when someone calls you out shows that you are unconfident, not scum.

The "contradiction" was his response to your vote.
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Post Post #1704 (isolation #217) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:17 am

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I see what you mean though. When people argued against him his tone got less confident.

I don't think that makes him scum.
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #218) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:19 am

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Hmm, you seem to be less confident that when we started this discussion, you must be scum!

(it's also a newb thing/new to the site thing imo)
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #219) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:20 am

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If you're scum and you try to push on a universally townread player, you better be damn confident to do so.

Or just playing dumb, but manuel doesn't look like that to me.
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #220) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:24 am

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But he wouldn't have started pushing her in the first place if he was scum.

PEdit: scum pr probably won't be useful tonight. If you need me to spell it out I will.

Scum don't know if pr's are investigative so they're basically shooting in the dark.
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #221) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:32 am

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4 prs already claimed. Odds of hitting an investigative that also has a useful result are pretty low.
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #222) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:15 am

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We'll talk about that after full massclaim tomorrow
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #223) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:24 pm

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Eyy, someone's here!

Talk to me about jarjar, slandaar, kraska/vedith slot and/or maria.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #224) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:27 pm

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Can you give reasons for one of them?

Also I thought you scumread slandaar
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #225) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:40 pm

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Ok, can you give reasons?
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #226) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:55 pm

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I feel like talking.

So...how's your day going?
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #227) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:59 pm

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Post Post #1771 (isolation #228) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:45 am

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In post 1743, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1742, Vedith wrote:I don't mind waiting, but DGB is the right lynch today.
You don't think that the fact that we have so many PRs and he hasn't been countered doesn't point to him being town?
Agree with leaving the watcher alive for a day but this is out of character for jarjar. He strikes me as the type of guy that would do anything to get his scumreads lynched, damned be a PR claim, and in fact in the last game we played together I remember him saying VT claims were towny.
In post 1747, Vedith wrote:I'll just say it otherwise we get no where. I'm a Watcher.
No way is there 2 in the game for town.
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In post 1752, JarJarDrinks wrote:So unless someone can come up w/ a reason how Vedith can be town, we're lynching him once we get the final claims.
Why so eager to lynch vedith over DGB? Especially after you just said to lynch DGB in ?
In post 1760, JarJarDrinks wrote:
MariaR wrote:The only problem is where's the scum motivation for Vedith to claim right into a cc like that
Also he may have realized that this statement looked pretty fishy unless he could come up w/ a strong reason to scumread DGB:
In post 1744, Vedith wrote:
In post 1743, JarJarDrinks wrote:You don't think that the fact that we have so many PRs and he hasn't been countered doesn't point to him being town?
No, I do not think that at all.
She
(DGB) is most likely scum.
Why would scum change their read randomly like that?

This seems pretty obvious for a defense of DGB, but after my analysis of kts interactions, I think jarjar may be trying to lay on the WIFOM. The transition from "let's lynch DGB" to "here are some reasons vedith is scum, let's lynch vedith" is unnatural. The normal town reaction if you're unsure is to think about it for a little, and make a decision.

It's worth mentioning that vedith has claimed cop to get a town PR lynched before, but this feels very different. Given how towny kraska was, and how scummy DGB has been, and jarjar's frantic attempt to save DGB, I think we should just lynch DGB today. I ~guess~ we could wait until tomorrow to sort it out, but scum could lay on some WIFOM with roleblocking (and in fact, I think DGB might be the roleblocker).
In post 1761, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: DGB
How many votes are we at?
In post 1766, Slandaar wrote:
In post 1736, JarJarDrinks wrote:Unless I'm missing something, here's what I have for claims:

DrippingGoofball - PR (Watcher)
Firebringer- VT
hiplop - ??????
Infinity 324 - PR
JarJarDrinks - PR
LicketyQuickety - VT
Manuel87 - PR
MariaR - PR
Raskolnikov - VT
Slandaar - ??????
Vedith - PR
Way too many PR claims if this is accurate but then 1 of DGB/Vedith is scum (DGB) so that is one. Another PR claim is scum at least.
I agree. I think the PR-claiming scum are DGB and jarjar.
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #229) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:42 am

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Jarjar, can you shed some light on your thought process with the claims? Why did you accept DGB's claim so easily when you had a scumreads on her before? Then why did you go back to wanting to lynch her immediately after the counterclaim? Then what motivated you to check back and find the inconsistency in vedith's claim?

Also I want to see some of the posts that led you to develop your scumread on LQ.
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #230) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:00 am

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Not really buying it.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #231) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:10 am

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O...k

Even though I really didn't like the fast switch from "let's lynch DGB" to "let's lynch vedith", I think it's even worse that jarjar suddenly got a townread on DGB for something that's "too scummy to be scum".
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #232) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:15 am

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Pretty sure jarjar is nervous scum.

I like him saying DGB scum --> LQ town but that's could just be a load of WIFOM.

Where do you stand on the watcher claims now?

PEdit: VOTE: DGB

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Post Post #1813 (isolation #233) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:37 am

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@rask I looked at your association wall again, I think you missed DGB/jarjar/slandaar at the end, I think that's the most likely at this point. If that's not correct, it's hard to see jarjar scum, I don't think he was bussing both DGB and LQ/maria. So ehh

@jarjar WIFOM yadda yadda

You have a point, but maybe DGB thought she could live for a day with her claim and you went along with it to bus her on d3.
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #234) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:21 am

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In post 1816, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1813, Infinity 324 wrote:@rask I looked at your association wall again, I think you missed DGB/jarjar/slandaar at the end, I think that's the most likely at this point. If that's not correct, it's hard to see jarjar scum, I don't think he was bussing both DGB and LQ/maria. So ehh
Huh? why would I have to be scum w/ slander or LQ/maria?

You have townreads on everyone else?
Going by rask's thing for now, which said you aren't scum with hiplop or fire and assumed that manuel was town. Also assuming vedith is town for cc'ing DGB.
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #235) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:57 pm

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In post 1828, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1827, MariaR wrote:;-; nods
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jarjar might be town, I don't want to confbias myself based on small things like I did with rb. I do think his behavior around the claims was very suspicious though.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #236) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:07 pm

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claim in this order:

hiplop
slandaar
jarjar
firebringer
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me
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Objections?
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #237) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:08 pm

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Actually, screw objections. We're claiming in that order.
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #238) » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:10 pm

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In post 1840, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1835, Marquis wrote:Manuel87 died.
really? he was in my scum pool.
Man, I am sucking.
I bet you guessed right that the mod would post his role in red ;)
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #239) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:00 am

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If we can't decide on an order well have to popcorn it.

No one claims until fucking hiplop gets in here.
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Post Post #1932 (isolation #240) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 1929, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Infinity 324 wrote:No one claims until fucking hiplop gets in here.
In post 1845, hiplop wrote:No internet tomorrow or saturday. Will have internet saturday night. Sorry. Moving to college
So we're just gonna twiddle our thumbs for a day n a half?
I guess so...the other option is to massclaim without him and then quicklynch him ;)
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #241) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:21 am

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Oh ffs
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #242) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:23 am

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People should just stop claiming.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #243) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:28 am

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In post 1946, JarJarDrinks wrote:meh who cares?

I'm probably gonna get impatient by the time I leave work today and spill what I know also.
Dude

Whoever it is can make their claim based around it

And/or hiplop

Just dont
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Post Post #1952 (isolation #244) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:29 am

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Tracker and a watcher is unlikely.
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #245) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:30 am

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Fine
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #246) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:41 am

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Didn't you scumread maria?
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #247) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:46 am

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We don't want to give scum info for their claims.
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #248) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:50 pm

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eyy
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #249) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:25 am

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Ok popcorn someone
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #250) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:08 am

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You don't get to decide the claim order, we're popcorning.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #251) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:55 am

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Hopefully we can get things moving after we finish this mass claim...
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #252) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:57 am

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During
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #253) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:58 am

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Out your report as you claim
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #254) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:00 am

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People can still popcorn to you, when they do you'll say your results.
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #255) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:03 am

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The player that claims chooses someone to claim next
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #256) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:16 am

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He's not gonna like having to claim here, but popcorn is the only fair system.

It's certainly a possibility that scum!hiplop popcorned to town!slandaar because slandaar said he wanted to claim last, but if we don't do popcorn we'll have a huge argument and nothing will ever get done. So /shrug
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #257) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:36 am

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Not a lot of scum are ballsy enough to say they're obvious town, that's something that gives me pause. He could feel like he can get away with that after a hardbus on DGB though.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #258) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:41 am

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I'm a doctor, I did visit vedith

I need to read but I think it's gg
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #259) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:45 pm

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Yeah I was camping yesterday.

Really didn't think LQ was scum but I think it would be dumb for scum!jarjar to claim a guilty here
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #260) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:10 pm

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gg, 3 counterclaims winning it is zzz

but I guess we did some scumhunting to get to this spot

Actually I wanna lynch hiplop first since I know he's scum

VOTE: hiplop
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #261) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:22 pm

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True
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #262) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:19 am

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VOTE: hiplop

L+1 ;)
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #263) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:22 am

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Don't quicklynch me.

For some reason there are 1 doctors in the setup. If you want to lynch me, at least let the day go on for a while so I can help you guys in lylo.
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Post Post #2163 (isolation #264) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:24 am

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Looking over ISOs, slandaar doesn't make sense with lickety and DGB since that would be too much bussing and I think lickety was buddying slandaar.
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #265) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:33 am

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At the end of yesterday, vedith was the only person who didn't act like the game was over. Think about that.

I'm leaning towards vedith as scum at the moment for interactions,, but there's one thing that makes me doubt that.

Not seeing rask as scum here, but I'll go over his ISO just in case.
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #266) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:44 am

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Scum is not gonna get townread for making a case to lynch a town PR.
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Post Post #2172 (isolation #267) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:42 am

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By the way, I doubt there was a mafia tracker
and
a mafia voyeur. So I doubt Maria is scum.

Can someone try and setup spec for me? I'm not good at stuff like that.

Maria, why don't you suspect vedith if you doubt there is a watcher and 2 doctors in the setup? Would you suspect him if I flipped town?
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #268) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:40 am

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In post 2186, Vedith wrote:Infinity is more or less confirmed, right? If Maria is town, then she saw him go to me, and I can't think of a scum role that would benefit them to visit me without me dying.
I could be another track/watch role, but eh
In post 2187, Vedith wrote:Tracker could be town or scum in this situation, but I feel tracker would be redundant as scum as powers are only night 2.
I agree.
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Post Post #2198 (isolation #269) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:49 am

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I think reviewers would take mass claim into account.

Right now I'm at:

-Slandaar doesn't fit in the scum team really
-Pretty sure rask is town
-Doubt scum have a tracker, so I think maria is town

Which would leave vedith scum by PoE, which makes sense. Vedith didn't want to lynch DGB until he counter claimed (which is, tbf, points in his favor). Kraska had DGB as lean town, then switching to voting her, then jumped on kts. DGB and LQ has vedith slot as town but didn't mention it much. The only problem is this interaction which I find really weird if kraska and LQ are both scum (incoming in next post...)
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #270) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:57 am

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In post 388, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 384, kraska77 wrote:I know rb off-site
QT too
I'll read and post tomorrow cya
WTF?
In post 390, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 388, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 384, kraska77 wrote:I know rb off-site
QT too
I'll read and post tomorrow cya
WTF?
How do you know me? Who are you, just so we're on equal footing.
In post 392, LicketyQuickety wrote:I should know to expect this kind of shit.

@kraska77, What site?
In post 393, LicketyQuickety wrote:if kraska is from PerC, this is going to be interesting.
In post 394, kraska77 wrote:Boy
What's with the overblown reaction?
Should be quite obvious what site when I said I know both you and rb offsite
In post 395, kraska77 wrote:It's zerkalo from intpf
In post 398, LicketyQuickety wrote:anyways, hi, Zerk, how goes it? We're playing a game so we can't really chit chat, but I didn't think you were super keen on the mafia thing. I guess once it bites there's no going back.

/overblown reaction.
This interaction is something that makes little sense from scum on scum, as they would probably familiarize themselves with each other in the scum QT. Also, the overblown reaction from LQ when he finds out kraska knows him makes a lot more sense from scum who feels threatened than plain old surprise that their scumbuddy knows him from another site. So idk :/
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #271) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:59 am

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In post 2199, Raskolnikov wrote:How does everyone feel about the VT count?
I wouldn't know
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Post Post #2211 (isolation #272) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:18 am

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In post 2206, Vedith wrote:Also Infinity, give over.
I wouldn't be killing Fire as scum.

If you are scum and just pulling the wool over my eyes, then keep going as you obviously want 2 mis lynches.
But if you are town as I think, then just read Rask's ISO.
See the distancing from DGB and the harder push on HipLop over DGB.
You keep saying you wouldn't kill fire as scum, it's WIFOM, plus you may be afraid of him if he knows you better.

The thing is, I was in the exact same place as rask with hiplop and DGB. Hiplop really just looked scummier than DGB at the time (you agreed yourself), and DGB just lended herself really well to a scumbuddy-like read since she was there but did nothing. Especially if you didn't know her meta.

But I'll check rask's ISO again to make sure.
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Post Post #2217 (isolation #273) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:28 am

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Rask, can you triple ISO sland/DGB/LQ and tell me if they make sense as a team. I don't see LQ just buddying his scumbuddy slandaar and DGB bussing both her buddies, she is generally averse to bussing.

PEdit: why would I doc vedith as a scum doc maria?
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #274) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:39 am

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Can everyone weigh in on whether 5 or 6 PR's makes more sense? I'm thinking 5 but I'm not sure, it's really important. If we're right about this we can probably win for sure.

I'm thinking the setup may have been made more townsided to counteract the doctors CCing each other though.
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Post Post #2228 (isolation #275) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:56 am

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In post 2225, Raskolnikov wrote:if we drag this day out for like a week I might get the motivation to play again back and ISO and whatever

otherwise we can just lynch in VTs and have probably win even 1 for 1, if I'm wrong a third time after kts/hip then my reads were garbage here and I dont really deserve a win anyways
I'm not sure scum is in VTs tho.
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Post Post #2229 (isolation #276) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:57 am

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I normally like to look at the reads of people who were nightkilled, but I don't think naomi or manuel were killed for their reads because there weren't very influential voices. I'm thinking the third scum was probably generally townread, especially by more influential voices like myself and rask, if he's town.

Vedith calling me town is a risky move for scum. Hmm...
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #277) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:00 am

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But day 1 and day 2.
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #278) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:45 pm

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Vedith is really not playing like if expect scum to play in lylo. Ughh
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #279) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:38 am

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I already talked about that, standard distancing =/= scum.

BUT WHY WOULD THERE BE 7 PRS INCLUDING A WATCHER IN THIS GAME
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Post Post #2261 (isolation #280) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:38 am

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Pretty sure sland is town. Still need to ISO rask+LQ+DGB.
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Post Post #2263 (isolation #281) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:03 am

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It's not a problem with watcher specifically, I just don't think 7 1-shots is balanced. Especially since scum don't have an rb. Maybe they have a doc to counter gunsmith?

I wouldn't really know though.
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Post Post #2264 (isolation #282) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:04 am

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@rask were you ever paranoid of me this game?
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Post Post #2266 (isolation #283) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:29 am

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Idk why they would have 2 docs. Might be a way to help scum? This is the only way 7 PRs makes sense imo.

Scum wouldn't know if there was a watcher a tracker and 2 docs, so they don't know not to NK. That means there's a really good chance to catch scum with a track or a watch and also the gunsmith.

It's true the fact that they're n2 makes them slightly less powerful than 1-shot, but only slightly.
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #284) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:51 am

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Why does day 2 vs. night 2 make a difference for IC?

Also scum killed night so *shrug*

Probably trying to hit an investigative
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #285) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:07 am

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But IC can just claim d2
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Post Post #2272 (isolation #286) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:17 am

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But the IC was night 2.

Theoretically in this game IC could've claimed d2 to serve the same purpose as a d2 IC.
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Post Post #2274 (isolation #287) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:20 am

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Wait the IC would've been revealed at the
start
of n2.

But waiting until d3 to claim might've been more useful if possible when scum may have other conftowns to kill.

I forget the point of this conversation.
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Post Post #2276 (isolation #288) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:20 am

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In post 1271, Marquis wrote:
Naomi-Tan
died.

Spoiler: She was a
Town Night 2 Innocent Child
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*Automatically revealed at the start of Night 2.
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Post Post #2279 (isolation #289) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:30 am

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Pretty town for reasons I can explain accurately. (I find those reasons to be more reliable).

He's not trying to look like he's transparent pretty much.
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Post Post #2282 (isolation #290) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:55 am

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Rolestopper? Weak something?
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Post Post #2283 (isolation #291) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:59 am

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Rolestopper is probably the only realistic one.

Question is, why would I want to visit vedith in the first place? Unless I guessed wrong that there would be no doctor

Honestly VT seems safest though
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Post Post #2285 (isolation #292) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:11 am

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Well ok

But I'm not sure town would be able to correctly guess the number of PRs.
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Post Post #2288 (isolation #293) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:15 am

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"That much town power" is debatable.

Not a lot of normals with all 1-shots.
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Post Post #2290 (isolation #294) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:18 am

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It counterbalances the 7 PRs I guess
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Post Post #2295 (isolation #295) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:33 am

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In post 2291, Slandaar wrote:They would just drop the town power level instead of doing that. They don't balance, as I have said, by messing up town with counterclaiming town PR's.
Probably, but idk...

All I know is that I'm a doctor and hiplop flipped doctor too.

Maybe they put in 2 docs for a different reason, then increased town power to compensate. Would you consider this if I flipped town?

(Note: slandaar's play is similar to how scum usually play late game).
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #296) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:34 am

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I heard someone say it in hunger games maf
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Post Post #2299 (isolation #297) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:36 am

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They wanted something to interfere with the watcher/tracker?
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Post Post #2300 (isolation #298) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:36 am

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Something more than just 1 doc. Idk lol
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Post Post #2302 (isolation #299) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:38 am

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What else visits a possible NK target
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #300) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:39 am

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The more I think about it the more rask makes sense
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Post Post #2306 (isolation #301) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:44 am

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cop/rolecop/even motion detector wouldn't target obvtown.

I think the idea was to try to have the watcher catch a doc + scum. Or a tracker catch someone visiting the kill target but having to figure out if it's doc or scum.

All I know is that there are 2 docs in the setup
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Post Post #2308 (isolation #302) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:45 am

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Rask, is scum me or vedith
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #303) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:48 am

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Vedith is town
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Post Post #2312 (isolation #304) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:49 am

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Ok I gotta do some ISOs but I think rask played me pretty hard here
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Post Post #2325 (isolation #305) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:05 am

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Maria who's scum if I'm town
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Post Post #2328 (isolation #306) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:12 am

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Maria and sland think it's me

I think it's rask

Rask thinks it's vedith

Vedith thinks it's sland

We're getting nowhere

PEdit: I townread LQ because his play was really weird from scum, scum don't usually like to make random pushes that no one will follow, and I thought he would've been scared and would've tried to appease rb during the 1v1 as scum.
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Post Post #2329 (isolation #307) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:12 am

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In post 2327, MariaR wrote:
In post 2325, Infinity 324 wrote:Maria who's scum if I'm town
Prob Vedith
Why
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Post Post #2331 (isolation #308) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 am

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Why didn't I claim rolestopper is the question

Don't say wine
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Post Post #2334 (isolation #309) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:19 am

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In post 2333, MariaR wrote:
In post 2329, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2327, MariaR wrote:
In post 2325, Infinity 324 wrote:Maria who's scum if I'm town
Prob Vedith
Why
I've said it so many times

IC + 2 doctors and watcher seem over kill
2 doctors helps scum though since they cc each other
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Post Post #2339 (isolation #310) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:29 am

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Your argument is exactly why 2 docs + watcher + IC isn't too townsided.

PEdit: there was a gunsmith. Cop would've been weird on you
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Post Post #2342 (isolation #311) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:37 am

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You're assuming that

a) I found doctor the least likely type of normal role for town to have (otherwise I wouldn't have targeted vedith)
b) I was scared of a tracker (I was widely townread, why would I be?)
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Post Post #2346 (isolation #312) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:41 am

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In post 2343, Raskolnikov wrote:@Infinity how/why do you townread vedith?

If you're town, his defence of you is actually necessary from his position because if you are lynched on the "there is scum within infinity/vedith" logic he 100% gets lynched next and loses, whereas pushing "scum must be in VTs" is a wincon for him.
Hmm true.

He just doesn't seem to have much of a plan, scum usually do this late in the game. I feel like he's trying to figure stuff out.

Maybe he could easily fake this idk

How about that kraska/LQ interaction tho
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #313) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:42 am

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In post 2344, MariaR wrote:I never said you were scared of tracker you claimed AFTER I outted my report on you.

I think the biggest problem atm is everyone's sr's are all over the place.
Why would I target vedith in the first lace instead of protecting a buddy unless I was scared of tracker?
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Post Post #2350 (isolation #314) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:53 am

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I should probably meta vedith.

Still not convinced a PR has to be scum because docs ccing helps put scum.
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Post Post #2354 (isolation #315) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:00 am

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In post 2351, MariaR wrote:no omg

I think Infinity was planning on claiming a dif role (NOT SCUM DOC LIKE HE REALLY IS) that visited Infinity but he can't tell us what that is so he had to claim doc
What role??
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Post Post #2356 (isolation #316) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:01 am

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In post 2353, MariaR wrote:
In post 2347, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2344, MariaR wrote:I never said you were scared of tracker you claimed AFTER I outted my report on you.

I think the biggest problem atm is everyone's sr's are all over the place.
Why would I target vedith in the first lace instead of protecting a buddy unless I was scared of tracker?
your buddy was LQ someone a lot of people TR I don't think you would be that worried about him getting vig shot over others like hip/slandaar
Ok, couldn't I just no action, which increases my options for a fakeclaim of I'm tracked?
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Post Post #2359 (isolation #317) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:04 am

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In post 2352, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 2346, Infinity 324 wrote:Hmm true.

He just doesn't seem to have much of a plan, scum usually do this late in the game. I feel like he's trying to figure stuff out.

Maybe he could easily fake this idk

How about that kraska/LQ interaction tho
NAI for vedith I think. I was in 1812 and he screwed up lategame there by being scum-careless, but I see it from him as town too. I think he's always "loose".

Going over I think the interaction is actually reasonable, kraska's first post was at that point in the game and she replaced in so it's not nearly as strong as it would be in another situation.
If kraska was there before that point or at game start I think it would be different because you would assume they'd have talked already, but in this case I can actually see it happening semi organically.
Ugh maybe you're right

Gotta look over quolls again.

I actually think the docs are almost negative utility I this setup though. That makes a watcher make sense imo.
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Post Post #2360 (isolation #318) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 2357, MariaR wrote:
In post 2356, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2353, MariaR wrote:
In post 2347, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2344, MariaR wrote:I never said you were scared of tracker you claimed AFTER I outted my report on you.

I think the biggest problem atm is everyone's sr's are all over the place.
Why would I target vedith in the first lace instead of protecting a buddy unless I was scared of tracker?
your buddy was LQ someone a lot of people TR I don't think you would be that worried about him getting vig shot over others like hip/slandaar
Ok, couldn't I just no action, which increases my options for a fakeclaim of I'm tracked?
What PR are you gonna claim that no visits?
Roleblocked
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Post Post #2362 (isolation #319) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:06 am

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Roleblocker makes a lot of sense in this setup actually
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Post Post #2364 (isolation #320) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:10 am

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What other PR would be useful for mafia? Tracker/watcher/voyeur/follower are basically fruit vendors.

Also I could've claimed JK

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Post Post #2367 (isolation #321) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:14 am

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In post 2366, Raskolnikov wrote:Voyeur/watcher synergy is pretty good.
So someone can fakeclaim rolecop? lol
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #322) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 2369, Raskolnikov wrote:Uhm. I already explicitly asked vedith if he got a result or not exactly because I was ruling roleblocker out. Scum vedith can't lie (because that ends up in 1v1 with infinity) and town vedith probably wouldn't lie either.
and infinity was tracked going to vedith. infinity isn't roleblocker, if hes scum he's scumdoc.
We're talking about scum roleblocker in the context of me claiming roleblocked being believable, I think
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #323) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:31 am

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My question is why would I visit vedith in the first place. This is starting to get circular...
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #324) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:03 am

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I'd be ok with the rask v. vedith 1v1, expect for the fact that both of them are ok with it

aaaaargh

Maybe someone is bluffing hoping they can lynch me?

Ok say rask or vedith gets lynched. They say "shit I was wrong don't lynch me". Then sland or maria votes me in lylo.

Ok I'm fine with this 1v1
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #325) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:07 am

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In post 2388, Vedith wrote:
In post 2385, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok say rask or vedith gets lynched. They say "shit I was wrong don't lynch me". Then sland or maria votes me in lylo.
Neither of us can say wrong lynch in the laws of a 1 v 1...
The lynch is me today, Rask tomorrow.
But if sland/maria don't agree to it, you're not bound by it...
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #326) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:09 am

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Who

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is scum
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Post Post #2400 (isolation #327) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:12 am

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Rask, why the switch of opinion on sland btw?
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Post Post #2418 (isolation #328) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:30 am

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In post 2411, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 2400, Infinity 324 wrote:Rask, why the switch of opinion on sland btw?
reISO and setup is heavily in his favour. When you realise gut paranoia is probably useless when all the facts (association, setup) say the opposite.

Vedith is dying to lynch in VTs and do it both days and his logic on townreading you is shallow AF.

At this point with maria/slandaar all preferring to lynch to lynch within you/vedith, vediths push on me was less viable and he had to try to switch to slandaar (notice that after I vote him) to get something that could get 2 town votes.
but now that I confirmed this he has no choice but to try to lynch me and get towncred through "there's no way scum would do that!" as the only option left available
What do you think about the 2 docs helping scum
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Post Post #2419 (isolation #329) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 2416, Raskolnikov wrote:if he's town I also don't see how he comes away scumreading someone forcing a 1for1 onto them
and in general anything of what he's saying today.

our situations are actually different, with the distinction being that I started/forced this
But he reintroduced it recently.
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #330) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 2420, MariaR wrote:there's no way scum would do that! is legit half to 3/4th's of Infinity and Vedith's defenses and it makes me want to pull hair out
That's not even the main reasons I'm town tho, my ISO is.

Imo what you're proposing is a weird and unnecessary thing to do as scum but this argument is getting nowhere so I'll leave it.
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Post Post #2424 (isolation #331) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:36 am

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In post 2421, Raskolnikov wrote:WRT too many town power, the logical thing that follows is the more powerful the role the worse it is for contributing to too much town power.
A second doc is very dubious if it helps, and even a single doctor is a very weak role (if one say died n1), compared to watcher which is incredibly powerful.

I know some mods like to add wifom into setups so people don't make hard rules like "there can never be 2 of x" and so on and I can see appeal with gunsmith as well, though I haven't played a marquis game before.

But if vedith was the second doc claim and you were the watcher I would still lynch him.
I'm thinking docs are even negative utility though. Thinking about it that way changes my views on the setup a lot.
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #332) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:13 pm

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In post 2425, Slandaar wrote:
In post 2350, Infinity 324 wrote:I should probably meta vedith.

Still not convinced a PR has to be scum because docs ccing helps put scum.
OK if you want to argue this show me a game where the town was balanced using 2 PR to cc each other
Dude

I know there are 2 doctors in the game

You don't

I'm not inside the mod's head.

But obviously I'm gonna base my logic on there being 2 doctors, because I know that to be a fact.
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #333) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:49 am

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@rask Do you tend to lose interest in the game during lylo as town? I find in general scum tend to lose interest more often while town is usually more motivated.
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #334) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:18 am

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In post 2436, Raskolnikov wrote:Actually I just realised the point against vedith also applies to infinity WRT to not wanting vedith lynched and preferring VTs if possible. Vedith is using terrible logic for townreading infinity but infinity is actually fencesitty-ish.

Infinity go into your read on me and vedith again.
You I think may be scum based on your play today, but I've been meaning to ISO you, DGB, and LQ and never did.

Not sure why I townread vedith. I think it's a tone thing. Need to look over quolls again though.
In post 2439, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not sure if infinity repeatedly referring to today as lylo is significant or what it would mean if it was
Lol I just meant late game in general
In post 2442, Raskolnikov wrote:On one hand it takes infinity a while to get the double doc anti-town conclusion when he played a recent game double rolecop game (1805), but on the other hand him questioning my motivation here when was super lazy in that lylo makes sense.
In post 2434, Infinity 324 wrote:@rask Do you tend to lose interest in the game during lylo as town? I find in general scum tend to lose interest more often while town is usually more motivated.
But how this is phrased is actually a bit awkward I think.
The question is perfect but the statement after it should be held for later with a judgement on what the answer is, putting that statement here devalues the question itself if directed to scum.

Though infinity scum here would still be an incredibly impressive game from him whereas with vedith it wouldn't be at all a surprise.
Re: 1805, that game was kinda at the back of my mind throughout this one. One of the rolecops was shot night 1 so there was never a cc anyway.

I wasn't in lylo in the game? But it's true my motivation went down as the game went on, also in a couple other of my scum games.
In post 2448, Raskolnikov wrote:I wanted to hold my read on you so I could pretend to scumread you near lynch and use it to avoid a nightkill, but you're the last person I'd lynch in this scenario. I'm surprised everyone else came to that conclusion independently though.
Didn't think there was one scum role that's basically a fruit vendor in this game, really don't think there are 2.
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Post Post #2465 (isolation #335) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:11 am

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Will do.

You explained most of the logical reasons I townread vedith but there's the gut that I can't shake.
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Post Post #2469 (isolation #336) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:01 am

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>vedith starting to play more like late game scum
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Post Post #2664 (isolation #337) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:04 pm

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I hated the setup too

Was maria a tracker?
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Post Post #2665 (isolation #338) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:05 pm

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Blatantly violating people's expectations of what should exist in a setup isn't really very fair to town imo.
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Post Post #2668 (isolation #339) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:13 am

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In post 2666, Raskolnikov wrote:Is blaming setup really fair? I feel like mods should make wifom setups more so people can't lynch entirely off of setup speculation like we did here.
If it were more common this would also happen less.
True, maybe I'm just salty. I agree that in a different (read: better) site meta this type of thing would be very much acceptable, I just don't think it's entirely fair with the current site meta.
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Post Post #2669 (isolation #340) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:15 am

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Yeah congrats maria, you played really well.

Why would tracker be any weaker for town? As always, it can catch scum making a kill; in this setup, it can help confirm other town roles.
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Post Post #2674 (isolation #341) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:49 am

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In post 2670, callforjudgement wrote:You can expect a large number of roles to target obvious townies. It's more likely to hit a Doctor protecting an obvious townie or a Watcher trying to figure out who's trying to kill them than it is to hit a Mafia member making the kill.
That depends on whether the person turns up dead. If they are, then scum could claim watcher but you may end up with a cc and the scum will still look more suspicious. If the player is still alive, then again you could end up with a cc and you can use the info about whether there was a NK and whether a doctor targeted that player to assess the claim.

Tracker could also theoretically catch a scum lying or corner scum with their claim.

It's true tracker doesn't really change anything if scum target exactly who they say they did, but I'm sure there are still cases where that's not worth it.

Anyway I think the fact that we are having this discussion means that town can't be blamed for not lynching maria for a tracker claim.
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Post Post #2676 (isolation #342) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:56 am

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I think n1 and n2 doc would be weird

I thought tracker and watcher would be weird

Idk, maybe I'm too strict with this kind of stuff
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Post Post #2677 (isolation #343) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:57 am

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Now I'll know for the setup you review in the future cfj :)
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Post Post #2687 (isolation #344) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:12 am

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I disagree that it wasn't normal. I disagreed with the setup, but can't really complain since we got outplayed by scum
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Post Post #2688 (isolation #345) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:13 am

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I know I said that after complaining, but it wasn't really deserved. Thanks to the mod and reviewers anyway.
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Post Post #2690 (isolation #346) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:15 am

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You're entitled to your opinion.
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Post Post #2703 (isolation #347) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:37 am

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I agree with firebringer that this setup was out of the ordinary for a normal game but I also think it's ok for some normal games to push the boundaries. Sometimes you want to play a straightforward game with a twist. Imo there's too much of a difference between theme and normal rn.
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Post Post #2705 (isolation #348) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:40 am

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I think this goes more out of the norm than, well, the norm for normal games. I think most people agree that in terms of normalcy, this game would be significantly higher than standard deviation. I just don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing.
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #349) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:41 am

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Honestly that's why I signed up
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Post Post #2709 (isolation #350) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:47 am

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In post 2707, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2705, Infinity 324 wrote:I think this goes more out of the norm than, well, the norm for normal games. I think most people agree that in terms of normalcy, this game would be significantly higher than standard deviation. I just don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing.
I would argue that because it falls significantly higher of the standard deviation it wouldn't qualify as normal, but alas reviewers made their judgement on it.

I think this game would be better if it was in the Theme queue and advertised as a "Mostly normal game with one non normal mechanic"

Like the games name is even surrounded by the gimmick mechanic.
"Lazy Summer Mafia"

joke on all actions basically sorted in one night which makes it easier for mod.

it is intentionally themed at the start.
The thing is, I still think it's closer to a normal than to most theme games.

So I still think it qualifies as a normal in the spirit and letter of the rules.

It's just an unusual normal.
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Post Post #2711 (isolation #351) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:42 am

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Lol@the second part
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