Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

Slandaar isn't watcher here more of an unbalanced setup than double doc though?

[Raskolnikov]

Who would you lynch if you were ignoring all the claim stuff?

[Raskolnikov]

Welp, it could be another 2 days before he pops in again.

[Raskolnikov]

@Infinity, vedith (less so)
FMPOV the only way this is actually a loss is if slandaar himself is scum which would mean town did get a ridiculous amount of power and his DGB association would have to be really good distancing.
The thing is logically one of you has to be town and you both townread the other, but when your pick for scum is me that doesn't give me a lot of faith in your townread accuracy on the other person either.

Now, since according to your reads you think this loses the game, the onus is actually on you to fight this.
More particularly, you would have to convince me of your townread onto the other person if you are sure (and not dumb logic aka vedith "why would he visit me?? why would he claim doc??") and why scum is neither you nor this person and who it is then.

[Raskolnikov]

For your own sake I really hope you're scum here.

[Raskolnikov]

I was half expecting that tbh.

Though infinity really didn't seem concerned with the situation and I thought he'd fight a lot harder than he has.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Infinity

Slandaar and Rask can just lynch me tomorrow.

Is this a scumclaim tho?

[Raskolnikov]

The sentence I mean, not the vote.

[Raskolnikov]

Hey infinity if you're actually town you should give last thoughts before flip.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're scum you also could give us some peace of mind by saying that as well.

[Raskolnikov]

Vedith if you're town it's overwhelmingly likely infinity is the scum.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're town, after this game I want to talk to you about the dangers of relying on limited meta on people you don't actually know very well.

[Raskolnikov]

Infinity could you please alignment claim though

[Raskolnikov]

You are trying to say it's only because of meta. It's because of how you are playing, POE and logic.

If POE and logic is my scum play then what is my town play?

[Raskolnikov]

Your problem is you never explain anything to any level of depth so actually trying to understand you or even having a conversation with you is fruitless.

[Raskolnikov]

LOL

[Raskolnikov]

I take back what I said, I hope you are town here Vedith

[Raskolnikov]

I like how you're ridiculously positive infinity's flipping town when you hammered him.

[Raskolnikov]

Sweet, confirmed town.

[Raskolnikov]

I was half expecting to wake up and see a game over, so this is good.

[Raskolnikov]

Vedith why were you scumreading me again?

[Raskolnikov]

And why did scum have to be in VTs?

[Raskolnikov]

You don't think a fruit vendor claim would look worse than a tracker who is potentially being "helpful" by confirming another role?

[Raskolnikov]

Why do you flip read on maria before she even votes you?

[Raskolnikov]

Vedith why were you scumreading me again?

Meta / Logical thinking (at least imo)

How exactly?

[Raskolnikov]

Everyone else townreading maria makes sense from their perspectives, but shouldn't you as watcher think town having both tracker and watcher is weird?

[Raskolnikov]

Vedith, at one point I remember you scumreading maria and then changing your mind, what happened?

[Raskolnikov]

Why

[Raskolnikov]

maybe maria is the scum here

[Raskolnikov]

I have a theory but it depends on rask idk I'm so nervous

I'm just curious, what was the theory?

[Raskolnikov]

Why do you flip read on maria before she even votes you?

The person killed last night made no difference.
I even tried to encourage in the day that my vote would be on you or Slandaar.
Any of you 3 were going to vote me over the others so Maria killed who was most town read made sense.

Sure I could have kept her alive to use that as a case but town me knows that she should have been killed.

Your question is pointless because if I'm scum I'm going to make this reason up if I'm town I'm going to believe this reason.

Either way it doesn't adjust my align in anyway.

But why do you flip read on maria there?

[Raskolnikov]

I don't know why slandaar being killed would make you assume maria is scum before she votes when I could easily have done that kill if I were scum.

[Raskolnikov]

How familiar are you with maria's meta?

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You don't really sound that surprised today seeing me get confirmed as town and her as scum though, given yesterday.

[Raskolnikov]

If you were doubting me and wanting to see reactions, why vote right away like that?

[Raskolnikov]

Walk me through your vedith read this game.

[Raskolnikov]

How do I know I can trust you though?

[Raskolnikov]

Your other experience with vedith didn't factor into your read on him this game?

[Raskolnikov]

Why are you still alive in lylo though.

[Raskolnikov]

Not a fair question I know but ehhh.

[Raskolnikov]

How would you feel if I voted you?

[Raskolnikov]

I'll read all this later and say why I have some scum reads on RB/Infinity/Lick with a town read on Slander/Naomi (GASP)

Where did you get these?

[Raskolnikov]

Why would vedith's behaviour bother you if he's scum though?

[Raskolnikov]

You played a good game maria, but I think it ends here.

Unless there's something I missed you just coasted through this in the background LAMISTing and no one really looked at you closer until now.

[Raskolnikov]

I am sorry if you're town though.

[Raskolnikov]

Well actually I can't end without vedith's vote anyways I guess.

[Raskolnikov]

You just like make up all your reads.

[Raskolnikov]

It's pretty obvious when you look through them they come from nowhere.

[Raskolnikov]

And holy moley LAMIST.

I'm so naive and innocent guys I don't know what I'm doing please help!

[Raskolnikov]

Should have listened to jarjar day 2 I guess.

[Raskolnikov]

See, if you were town your first thought would be about losing the game rather than being focused on how rude my statement may be.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually what I said shouldn't affect you at all if you're town because it would be completely wrong in the first place.

[Raskolnikov]

How does that make sense? If you were town wouldn't your lynch not please me at all though?

[Raskolnikov]

Okay I'm sorry for the comment, I didn't mean to mock your playstyle.

[Raskolnikov]

What have you done this game as town that you couldn't/wouldn't have done as scum?

[Raskolnikov]

Serious question. I have trouble reading a lot of people.

[Raskolnikov]

I guess what I'm saying is if you are town I just wish I could see it somehow. I know it's supposed to be my responsibility to judge and you can't really help me there but...

[Raskolnikov]

That's not your fault more so as it is mine but I'm just trying not to get pissy cause I promised that's the one thing I didn't want to do I just need to be more vocal with my reads instead of hiding them away with my own doubts

I'm sorry if this is a sensitive subject but hmm? Why yours?

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Vedith

Well, I tried. I accept responsibility for this if it's a loss.

In that case you have fooled me maria. I want to say well played though I am not sure if you played well or I played horrendously Probably both. No one else even dared suspect you in 5p, and you didn't let your partners dying d2 and d3 discourage you so that's very admirable.

I do admit I am kind of biased against vedith because of our playstyle incompatibility and a few others things which probably actually aren't alignment indicative. But I'm not really sure what is, at this point. Normally I extend these situations for a lot longer but I'm not getting anywhere here no matter how many hours I try. Oh well.

[this message was written several hours ago and saved to draft]

[Raskolnikov]

Sigh

[Raskolnikov]

Regardless of your alignment, you would probably have won if you had voted her after I confirmed myself as town. There were a few times talking with her I felt hammer twitchy.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm telling you, I was so close to voting her but the thought of you possibly winning as scum with that defeatist attitude was too unappealing.

Now, even if I voted right it wouldn't change that my reads were bad.

But, what I'm trying to say is in a world where it's 50-50 I would feel a lot worse mislynching someone who acted like maria than someone who acted as you did here.

[Raskolnikov]

See, if you wrote that earlier I DEFINITELY would have voted maria.

[Raskolnikov]

I don't understand how you didn't react to that big exchange at all though vedith. I was really anxious to see how you'd respond and when it was completely flat I just. Ugh. Whatever.

[Raskolnikov]

I mean sure, I guess it did look very reaction testy, and it was. But still I believed most of what I said.

[Raskolnikov]

The me doubting myself thing is 100% true btw and so is me being paranoid a ton and not knowing how to tr people d you have any advice?

I don't think you'd want my advice unless you want to lose 3p lylos

[Raskolnikov]

Is blaming setup really fair? I feel like mods should make wifom setups more so people can't lynch entirely off of setup speculation like we did here.
If it were more common this would also happen less.

[Raskolnikov]

Slandaar is just salty. It's okay slandaar, I was wrong too.

[Raskolnikov]

That hammer on infinity made me really mad though. Fuck that shit.

[Raskolnikov]

Well, after seeing him flip town it did.