Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

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anyways i read day 2 about 3 or 4 times and couldn't even find mhsmith's initial vote on the wagon.

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Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).

VOTE: killthestory

oh i found it

his vote is much worse than tenshii's here.

tenshii!town still stands

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Tenshii.

Would've reported Luna for stategic sub out if she flipped wolf.

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I said in a recent reads list I believe it was D4 twilight that Iraon was my best townread and it was only due to Luna's actions. And yes I'm aware this is the same slot that I was campaigning to lynch for the first two days. On top of Luna's r-o, Wing was disgustingly blatant town as well.

What happened to him being in the top tier on your reads with me >:(

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yeah

me and tenshii were str8 chillin' in the top tier of your reads list for a bit

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fair 'nuff

but the fact that he was a heavy townread at one point means nothing now over mhsmith who hasn't been super high on your townreads list?

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smith you just hosted my most recent town game

you know how that went down

not so great

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in all honesty sonia was a universal townread that game so... meh

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i played em when giga has been scum

he sucks.

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not really he was fairly competent and rused me a few times

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don't think i ever sr'd kts?

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i played em when giga has been scum

he sucks.

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not really he was fairly competent and rused me a few times

anything in particular that separates giga's town game from wolf game in your mind?

more genuine. i only played about 5 games with him. we played Matrix 6 on EM.

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heyoo

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K i give in. I've pretended to know what wrt means. Someone enlighten me.

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Because he had formerly town read kts so the quick change captivated my attention.

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Hello

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aha

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mod please prod transcend as all of his recent posts have been prod-dodges

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hi

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can see scum!thor but not before scum!smith

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alalalala

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Getting drunk tonight. No room for mafia. Ttyt.

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k well i literally can't see anyone but mhsmith being scum. is he even going to be lynched? i understand if you don't lynch him since i've been nothing but wrong all game. but i feel

really

sure it's him.

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i townread him but if smith isn't scum he's my next best guess for scum.

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tone and reactions

they might be faked but i'm leaning towards no.

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Giga where's your vote at? I don't really wanna lynch thor like tenshii wants but i definitely don't wanna lynch tenshii. Would you lynch smith?

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May i just remind the public that smith parked his vote on tenshii after being sure about him for quite some time only once thor voted?

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Since it took so long for him to vote, this only reads to me like he would've acquiesced to any rising lynch but himself.

Tenshii: the deal is, Thor's staying alive. Like it or not, i don't give a rats. You're gonna either vote smith or you're gonna eat rope. Not by my hand of course but I'm giving you no other choice.

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Like quote me if I'm wrong but smith spent all day trying to lynch tenshii yesterday and Tenshii

did

have momentum. But the guy acquiesced to Maria who had more wifom which was Rosske who the guy laughed about my case on.

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More momentum* not wifom lol

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Giga please read 2603-2607 when you have the chance.

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Unfortunately you're in a position where you don't have much of a choice.

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if tenshii flips and i die i want you to lynch smith fwiw.

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huh

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Giga's the universal townread here and has already won the game if he's scum. He gets hammer in 3 way should we make it here, just like he's gonna get hammer today.

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Blugh.

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Are you ithing tenshii

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Well I'm going out to eat and i stand by tenshii so don't hammer until i make my final plea.

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Urp

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Just tell me where your head is leaning before you vote.

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It's mostly to attack smith but i can point out some things i think that make tenshii town. This all happens after work of course.

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Like, actually coming tonight then?

Unless i get lazy after work which knowing me is a huge possibility.

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Okay I'm home and I'm basically deciding if I want to go through my own ISO and compile all my thoughts into one megapost or go through smith and tenshii posts and post my thoughts on them.

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The spoilers that I will be posting are ENORMOUS. I do very hope you take time to read through them. I went through my entire (cancerous, my bad guys) ISO and selected posts that I think make Smith scum and Tenshii town. I was nice enough to separate them into two categories. I f***ed up the BBCode into oblivion several times attempting to trim the fat off of some of the posts so it's fairly bulky and you might have to read some of the posts closely. Okay here we go.

Spoiler: Mhsmith is scum because...

i agree that mhsmith's vote was meatless

i would rather lynch luna fox.

WK means white knighting >:)

i am the king of WKing.

The case on kts is bad. I've quickhammered my town reads before for several reasons

1. Boredom
2. Had better town reads
3. Wanted immediate information

Sometimes they flipped town sometimes they didn't.

I think things like

1. Luna Fox awkwardly hopping the karnos lynch when his attempt to rope PC failed

2. Mhsmith voting with someone he scum read

3. Giga talking to everyone like he knows they're town and voting then too

4. Thor voting with someone on mafia because "he townreads them and has a better chance of lynching mafia"

5. Rosske's bad vote hops on KTS and PC d1.

Should be considered as scum candidates. Sadly all of you want to town bloc but i would bet all my marbles scum is somewhere within this bloc.

Okay based on the reactions, Giga is solid town now. I don't think I'll change my read on this.

As for the bloc with {me, Luna, Thor, Io, Giga} I'm a bit reluctant to join because it has the person I've avidly scumread all game. I'm not too sure if I can do that. I'd be moderately okay with this bloc if Tenshii replaced Luna.

However: I wanna shift focus to mhsmith0-

All day screams

"KTS SCUM! KTS SCUM!!!!!!"

KTS claims scum as rxn test (supposedly)

"No shit he was town guys, come on"

Not sure what made him 180 so fast.

Also every vote Rosske has made is garbage.

PC slot should be replaced before lynched IMO.

PEDIT: Meh. That's strike two against MHSmith. Strike one being he voted with someone he sorta scumread.

Besides, scum are capable of trolling twilight. Whether they're the final scum or not.

I'm not too sure how MHSmith instantly assumed the slot he was lynching all day wasn't trolling twilight.

Or I'm just WIFOM'ing and confusing you because I'm the last wolf, in which case what I'm talking about carries a much different meaning.

why would you say that e_e

hold it there mhsmith

you have at the moment based on the kill tenshii/rosske as your best scum candidates

but every time i've tried to lynch rosske, you've turned your nose on it and mocked me.

why's that?

You don't seem all that sure about him given you're also scumreading mhsmith and Thor as secondary lynches. Why those two?

Thor was mostly based on d1, his vote was weird. Rest of his game is p. solid.

Mhsmith has towntold a bit, but his d1 was also weird and the way he voted karnos was weird, I can see a possible bus there. Plus he responded to KTS' flip in a weird way. Like he was an advocate for his lynch all day, KTS claims scum, mhsmith said that he was trolling. One final thing that concerns me about him, and this is recently, but he said that Rosske is in his wolf pool, but has made no conscious effort to lynch him and laughed off every attempt I've made to lynch him.

@Giga: I did tr the Kcda slot, mostly off of gut. His posting style didn't seem like that of scum, just annoying town. I had no like exact tells that made me solidly townread him. If I put a gun to my head, I'd still say his slot is town just because I think Rosske is last wolf.

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Wing your case on smith is basically paralleled with mine. It's just my case on Rosske is about 10x heavier.

Smith, I've just realized you've been fairly neutral for today. Like you voted me for a bit and that was just for a bit. You haven't really finalized your reads from what i see. We are approaching deadline so i wanna know from you if you had to take 3 shots at one duck in this game, what would they be?

I have work today in just a bit, but giga, me and wing will not lynch tenshii and Tenshii won't lynch himself. So only way you CAN get that lynch is with Rosske and mhsmith's votes. Two of your best town reads (me/wing) after several days of analyzing have concluded that one of those two is the duck we need shot. You can deviate from our reads, but I'm feeling very confident about one of those two most likely r.

but like i said i actually trust town to win this game i think thegeneral consensus is mariaslot/mhsmith which i agree with. so like if i'm in the graveyard and one of those two slots doesn't flip scum i'm okay eating the L.

what the what

i'm not lynching tenshii unless it's tenshii/nl

i like his vote onsmith, don't think it's the correct vote though

I won't lynch Maria for the price of you not lynching tenshii.

We both vote smith aka wing's read.

I think wing has done a good job analyzing the game and has concluded with the same reads i have, just more in depth and more leaning towards smith.

I can live with smith rope, especially since i feel albeit less of a chance of ending the game than a Maria death, there's still a chance.

He's at l-2 rn so your vote and my vote would send him to the gallows.

assuming sonia flips vt and not wolf

1. Ira (I've decided there's no way this slot is scum. Period. Including the replace out, including Wing's analysis, including the little bit ira has said.)
2. Tenshii (This is my best townread that isn't confirmed town.)
3. Giga
4. Thor
5. Mhsmith

T>S don't see myself lynching the top 3 ever.

VOTE: mhsmith0

I've reread the game exactly

3

times back to front skipping a few of the long posts.

I see no slot but this flipping wolf.

Giga's lock town. He gets a W if he's wolf. That's all.

Thor vs. Tenshii reads heavily town vs. town. If I'm ever forced to lynch in that cross, I'm going with Thor.

MHSmith was sorta manipulative. The way he placed his votes this game have been somewhat awkward. It's gotta be mhsmith.

Feedback?

imagine you guys being the town that blew 5 lynches and handed scum a game.

Why do you bring this up? Especially in other posts that you make?

bored

I'm mostly just debating if I was left alive to push through Tenshii, or if I was left alive because Tenshii figures they can't afford to kill me.
The latter option requires bad logic on Tenshii's part - but that doesn't really remove it from my slate.

@Transcend - I'm debating agreeing with you that Tenshii is town.
I may want to lynch you and mhsmith in any random order that amuses me.

Why do you think mhsmith makes sense as a scumbuddy to Karnos moreson than you? He kind of had a reasonably timely push on the slot whilst you never did.

The reason mhsmith makes more sense is because I have my own POV and know I'm town. How am I supposed to answer that question?

Given that I hold the POV of no one being wolf but mhsmith after very careful rereads I think I'm okay with you lynching the two of us in any order.

I think that my flip will be helpful and you trust Tenshii because that is my dying townread so again, I'm openly welcome to rope on me.

I hate WIFOM but which one is more likely to be wolf in your books?

A. Someone who softvoted karnos
B. Someone who hard defended karnos

Most people psychologically would say answer B but karnos was clearly ailing and hard defending him like I did would mean that I'd have to survive 5 lynches with that attached to me. I don't know how I would've played this as wolf but personally, I feel like I would possibly softbus or ignore karnos if he was in deep shit as opposed to hard defending him. That was sincerely just an error on my behalf for using falsified meta hence why I've been reluctant to trust any meta this game, because it f***ed me day 1.

Now this is slight defense on me in hopes of seeing mhsmith lynched. Because I feel his flip ends the game. Obviously I'm comfortable with being lynched because I feel like you will trust my townread on Tenshii and lynch smith.

At this point Thor if you're wolf you've already won the game in my books. Same thing with Giga. I'm okay taking the loss if either of them flip wolf. I appreciate good scumplay and I try to learn from it to better my own scum game. If Tenshii flips wolf, which I heavily doubt, but if he does then I will feel really stupid and really bad.

The reason mhsmith makes more sense is because I have my own POV and know I'm town. How am I supposed to answer that question?

With a reasoned case - there are enough people alive that going 'I'm town!' still doesn't qualify as a case.
You could, naturally, present evidence to show why you're town, as that is a way to maybe show that you're town and thus mhsmith is more likely scum.

I think that my flip will be helpful and you trust Tenshii because that is my dying townread so again, I'm openly welcome to rope on me.

So you're thinking your town reads are more accurate than your scumreads?

Most people psychologically would say answer B

Yeah, I'm one of them.

but karnos was clearly ailing and hard defending him like I did would mean that I'd have to survive 5 lynches with that attached to me. I don't know how I would've played this as wolf but personally, I feel like I would possibly softbus or ignore karnos if he was in deep Smurf as opposed to hard defending him. That was sincerely just an error on my behalf for using falsified meta hence why I've been reluctant to trust any meta this game, because it S***ed me day 1.

Well, first off, I'd note you using poor meta (which I disagreed with at the time and discussed with you) does not an anti-meta case make. Functionally we have had two meta debates in this game, and I was right both times. Maybe that is random chance, sure, or maybe you think meta sucks because you use it poorly.

Why do you think Karnos was "clearly ailing" my recollection is at the time you were defending him he didn't have too many votes on him. He had like three.
Isn't that the optimal time to defend a scumbuddy?

I don't care to make a case about why I'm town, probably because I got nothing. I've given my final thoughts for the game, I don't really care to expand more, and you have the choice of sheeping me or not. I have openly welcomed rope around my neck because I don't think my mind will change as I have reread the game 3 times and I'm pretty solid on where I stand. If I'm wrong about something I'll probably beat myself up over it a few times then move on from it. This game has been long and drawn out. I have 3 solid townreads and have openly accepted losing the game to any of them. I appreciate good scum play as I've said before. Ideally I get my lynch today because unless I screwed up one of my three townreads, the game ends. I think a few people feel the same way as me, so if he gets lynched, great. If not, great. I just don't care to fight that hard anymore.

I did strongarm two horrible things this game. One- protecting karnos whoops. Two- lynching Rosskeslot whoops. I felt justified about both of those but I was just flat out wrong. Do I regret my actions? Not really. Do I wanna recover from them? Yes. Will I fight super hard? Nah. I think I'm a fair policy lynch for being so wrong this game.

Yes my townreads tend to be more accurate than my scumreads. Mathematically it's more likely to be correct on a townread than a scumread.

Consider the following:

5 players and 1 wolf, flip a coin if you declare someone is town you're 75% to be right, 25% to be wrong. If you declare someone is scum, you're 25% to be right and 75% to be wrong.

Obviously odds can't be measured legitimately in this game.

Scum tend to try very hard sometimes and blend in very well, which I believe is the case with mhsmith0. He is trying very hard. I post reads lists a lot to rely on in the future course of the game. I'm rarely wrong about someone in my highest tier. Unfortunately this game was an example where I was wrong. But in Diffusion of Power, I had MURDERCAT and Persivul as solid town and never deviated from that once. Unfortunately I misread Ranger and gave karnos a W. In my most recent newbie game, ironstove was my only solid townread. Unfortunately, I misread Joushi and he took a crap on me all game. But I was never wrong about my best townreads in those games. I was wrong about karnos being town because I used bad meta. No one's perfect. However in terms of Tenshii, I doubt that's the case this time so I heavily feel you can trust me this time. It's not a meta based read either obviously.

To each is his own about the two people I labeled. I'm not gonna harass you for thinking my actions were more scummy than his, because in hindsight they were.

He was clearly ailing because I did try to fight the BW but you guys were relentless and didn't take what I had to say to heart.

Honestly I'm having a difficult time coming up with reasons for anyone else being the last wolf. I just want a back-up plan.

Assuming mhsmith is a mislynch... Who kills Thor before LYLO and who kills me? Does anyone kill {Tenshii, Transcend} at all?

i can't see either of me/tenshii dying at night. however, i don't also think we're gonna get a night with smithrope. i think we're gonna get the pts from the host.

I know you're gonna ignore me but here's some things I think make smith scum.

- Kcda's weird actions and skating around the karnos lynch.
- mhsmith light voting karnos when Luna voted karnos as well and mhsmith was coming around her being scum.
- mhsmith being a heavy advocate of KTS!rope d2 and then when KTS trolls twilight, he immediately dismisses it as town.
- mhsmith discrediting my read on Rosske and laughing it off while simultaneously thinking he is a potential mafia candidate
- mhsmith not ever really committing to a vote. He's bounced around quite a bit and he's been non-committal.

Those were highlights I remember from my rereads but there might be more.

Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).

VOTE: killthestory

oh i found it

his vote is much worse than tenshii's here.

tenshii!town still stands

May i just remind the public that smith parked his vote on tenshii after being sure about him for quite some time only once thor voted?

Like quote me if I'm wrong but smith spent all day trying to lynch tenshii yesterday and Tenshii

did

have momentum. But the guy acquiesced to Maria who had more wifom which was Rosske who the guy laughed about my case on.

More momentum* not wifom lol

if tenshii flips and i die i want you to lynch smith fwiw.

Spoiler: Tenshii is town because...

I agree with the general Tenshii!Town theories.

PEDIT: THEN WHY IS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON THE LEADING BW IF YOU DON'T FOS THE SLOT YOU'RE VOTING NEVER MIND THE FACT YOU NEVER FOSED HIM TO BEGIN WITH?

Phantom if you don't scumread someone can you do me a solid and not vote them?

Rosske voting Io makes me not want to lynch Io anymore.

KTS my top trs are karnos and tenshii my top srs are Luna Fox and Rosske right now.

Atm nah, I have a soft town read on her. But ayy let's lynch Phantom yea?

i'd phant > karnos

but i think i'd rather lynch io or luna over phant.

Tenshii's been solid town for me all game, I don't think I'll see myself voting that slot. I even re-iso'd and concluded the same thing.

We're lynching Rosske.

Point blank.

i think that we win thegame if we rope rosske > mhsmith in any order

i think our townbloc had all town in it

and that tenshii is town

@Wing

My read on Thor d1 before Karnos flipped:

Shifty as ****. His vote was horribly placed. I still am not ENTIRELY over it.

My read on Thor now:

Given I possess a scumread on Rosske and he's tunneling Tenshii right now. I believe he's misguided town. However due to his weird d1 and his weird vote, my lynch list would be Rosske > MHSmith > Thor. Meaning if your slot, Tenshii's slot or Giga's slot is scum, I will openly lose the game, given I get those lynches.

Tenshii defending karnos is justified because not that long ago I was the Zachstralkita in my sig and he was the Transcend. He's good scum.

E f f you if you think my reads are dumb. I've genuinely had these reads all game.

Tenshii has been a tonal town read and none of his posts read fabricated.

I don't mind being lynched because this game is toxic and this host is bad, just upon my flip, please don't let newbscum Rosske take a dump on you.

Fwiw only reason i didn't sub out was because there was one scum left and i felt like i had good reads. I still do. But you guys are gonna sh** the bed.

You lynched kts solely because he lol hammered and PC because he didn't participate that much. Don't lynch people because you don't like them.

I already see a grudge lynch on me being engineered due ryu my unfavorable play. That's fine, idc, string me up. I'll chat with my homies in the dead PT while you guys get tab over like a lawn mower.

This isn't wifom either. This game is cancer. Either you have to agree with the majority or you're scum.

However, if you wish to remove your heads from y
our rectums, you could lynch Rosske who is probably last scum. I've been known to be a hit and miss player. I genuinely, genuinely, feel this will be a hit.

Oh yeah and wing is lock town too. Luna was a weirdo but I've concluded that i just didn't like their playstyle and was more prone to find their motives weird.

The thor / tenshii spat feels tvt but if one person in that duo is scum, it's thor. But I'd lynch ross and smith before touching thor. Which likely means I'll have to give a congratulatory hand shake to him if he's scum since i can't see him lynched here.

Combo of both. I think their pushes are both town motivated but just wrong. While I've had tenshii as town all game, and thor as lean town for a few days now.

Also giga: does the fact that two ducks (me and wing) that you wouldn't shoot at all game town read tenshii change your mind?

oh that's what i thought you were asking

rosske's votes with bad explanation > tenshii's weird votes with explanation that is bad but likely to come from newbtown

Hey giga do my town reads on kts and phantom and io mean anything when i say tenshii is town?

thor is a big meanie >:(

i still feel justified.

i have openly welcomed rope around my neck since about D2. i'll still welcome it if you wanna policy lynch me, just don't fuck up LYLO.

imagine you guys being the town that blew 5 lynches and handed scum a game.

@smith

bc tenshii has been my tr all game. thor has not been my tr all game. i'm openly fine losing to Tenshii if he's bum-fucked me all game.

i don't think anyone is townier than tenshii btw

what................

oh yeah tenshii protected karnos too. tenshii wasn't townread for protecting karnos on my behalf.

Nothing changes my read on tenshii at all but i just reviewed his RQS thingie because admittedly when i reread the game 3 times i skipped all the RQS posts. Anyways, I read his experience level. I thought he was a flat out noob, just like I thought Joushi was a noob. It appears Tenshii has some experience so I can't read them in a noob light anymore. I got duped by Joushi but he wasn't anywhere near a solid townread like Tenshii is right now.

i also don't understand why you're apparently upset with me about the way i have my reads. tenshii's been my best townread and nothing including all the cases made against him, and all the wrong votes he pursued has changed my mind. i don't think you're scum either thor. i don't think giga's scum either. i've given my stance. don't agree with it? fine. but it is what it is.

I've explained my read you just don't like my reasoning.

I didn't like your reasoning for lynching KTS or Tenshii, but do I respect the read? Sure I do.

Giga he just reads newbtown. I'm rarely wrong about noobs being town. Key word rarely. As I've said before, his reactions and content all appear genuine to me and I don't think his intentions this game are scum-motivated.

Anyways, I think that this is Town!Tenshii solving the game rather than Scum!Tenshii who is manipulating everyone. His actions don't feel that manipulative. And I think all the pushes he's made albeit some of them wrong (There's 9 people that can be mislynched vs. 2 people who can't) were all sincere and were all made by him to achieve his town wincon. I haven't seen him do one thing this game that doesn't make me think he's town.

Now D2 Giga was a bit scummy for me because of his opportunistic jumps on quite a few wagons. Including KTS when he said that he was town d1. However, Giga's d1 was pretty good and his vote is what engineered the karnos lynch. So his d2 scumminess is outweighed by his towny d1.

As for you Thor, I, to this date feel your vote on karnos was weird because it looked kinda lazy. "Well this slot is town and voting this slot so chances are that this slot is mafia". I don't like the way you acquiesced to karnos. However, I think your tone has been consistent and I think your efforts to lynch scum appear genuine as well.

Long story short: I do not discredit the fact that you and Giga are towny mo-fos. I agree. It's just you two have had a few weird movements this game as opposed to Tenshii who I've solidly townread all game.

And I'm far from the only person who thought Tenshii was obvious town. Ahem, may I bring your attention to the likes of Killthestory, Wingback and iraonavp?

I sincerely feel all this babbling is pointless since smith's probably last scum here.

My read on Tenshii is still the same, now that I know he's had some experience.

Okay Thor let's think of common things scum do to manipulate.

"hey you should vote this guy" is a very common one.

Tenshii DID NOT EVER tell anyone to vote his way. Tenshii did Tenshii's thing which included lots of vanity wagons that got little to no momentum. I feel Tenshii was using his vote to help him personally figure out scum. Unfortunately it resulted in a couple of mislynches and bad reads much like myself. But I'm smart enough to know town is capable of making such mistakes.

This is not a gut read honestly. The townread on Tenshii that is. That is a solid townread I've carried for about two months and nothing's changed from it.

Your case on Tenshii to me reads

well he pushed a couple of mislynches.

And that's why I haven't been too sold on it, because town mislynch all the time. Hello, look at who's talking!!!!!!

Middle of the road read means null right?

Tenshii lynching a null read sounds better than Giga lynching someone he had formerly thought was town and telling me to hammer really fast.

Oh my gosh you guys I just had a thought and this may or may not be Tenshii's answer but his best scumread at the time was PhantomCobalt, and if he voted on the Luna wagon he would've acquiesced to where his scumread was parked.

Giga where's your vote at? I don't really wanna lynch thor like tenshii wants but i definitely don't wanna lynch tenshii. Would you lynch smith?

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np took me 3 hours to make so i'm glad you at least read it LOL

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The tenshii case to me reads "he didn't lynch karnos, he's scum. He lynched phantom, he's scum". Enlighten me if i missed anything but mislynching isn't worthy of a scum read in my books.

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I don't think his vote hops were strategic, rather, a genuine attempt to win the game? Your vote hops feel more strategic.

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Did my recollection of thoughts i spent 3 hours making at least make you think?

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Or did i waste time could've spent drinking a beer or smt.

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Then you didn't read the post, or all of it. Like i said you just had to trim the fat. I gave reasons for him to be town. Regardless, the point of the case was intended to get you to hammer smith.

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I wanted to trim the fat to make it easy to see the bulleted points but the BBCode kept messing up and making the quotes hard to distinguish.

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What lynches do you think he didn't push for?

Pretty sure he was steadfast about whenever he voted Phant D1 I really liked that vote, when he voted Luna Fox with me on D2 and when he lynched Rosske with me on D4. His votes compared to the reads he's given seem really consistent to me. What am I missing?

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How do you think that I think convincing people to vote a certain way is wolf indicative. Pretty sure that on top of my several one liners, I have spilled my heart out with megapost cases to try and get the person I wanted lynched. That's not what I think at all. What I'm saying is that his pushes albeit him not going the distance to get them lynched such as others in this game read genuine and non-tactical. I can sincerely reason with the Phant vote he made d1. Mind you, this was BEFORE karnos flipped wolf so Tenshii voting Phant for potential strategic vote even though PC wasn't Karnos or Io (the leading lynches that day) feels sincere whereas I feel like a scum!him would acquiesce to one of the other lynches and not cause that much of a commotion. Long story short I guess is that I think rather than being town-indicative, pushing someone and persuading others is generally NAI. I don't play the game like "well he didn't explain his pushes super well he's gotta be scum". I play and decipher if the vote they made reads tactical or genuine. And in Tenshii's case I feel he has been very genuine this game. I think I've repeated points several times throughout this post but that's just where I stand right now and how I feel.

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Io vs Karnos might be Town vs Town?

Karnos's posts towards vs Io are absolutely reasonable defenses. And #76 came off as "I know I'm town" rather than "I'm mafia and I want to get rid of the possibility of us bussing." Given that the #70 post was

justified by #140

, It makes sense for why #70 would be done by Town.

Io is grasping for straws but all of that revolves around Io truly interpreting #70 as scum trying to indirectly attack Thor.

This whole argument feels like a long battle of "how hard can I prove these few posts are supposed to be interpreted as town/mafia posts." If this argument kept going, today's lynch will probably come down to whoever won this battle. Which would be pretty stupid.

I still don't get why Karnos is scum. Please don't lynch him when we're like only 2 days into it.

VOTE: karnos for being the first one to post after my introduction!

Nah. This comes off as trying to hop on a bandwagon without trying to form an actual reason as to why Karnos to scum. Also why did you post 185?
VOTE: PhantomCobalt

with that based on what ive seen its karnos and KTL for the scumteam secondary scummy reads on luna and GT (gut mainly)
ANNNNNNND

VOTE: KTS

We real now

pedit: now that you mention that and transcend is not far off of making the list either.

How did you get these reads?

POST MORE TENSHII GODDANG

SUP WIT IT

more anti town then a naked vote near page 2, a call for a quicklynch on page 5 and policy lynch on yours truly on this page?

if you think trying fool you go ahead and vote me but im not gonna let KTL live outside D1. i can settle for a karnos lynch DEPENDING ON THE VC, MOD.

The former two came off as trying to reaction test. The latter does seem bad though. I also hate how KTS keeps saying "I'm obv town" as if it's helpful towards helping him get read.

PC is the main lynch I want right now. Worst case scenario, non-contributing VI is lynched. Best case scenario, scum is lynched. Anything else, I'd have to reevaulate. I've kinda been debating on hopping on the Karnos bandwagon for the past few days, mainly cuz I do think that they plan on fighting to the death and they won't stop attacking each other until it happens, even to Day 2, 3, etc. So the sooner we can stop it the better.

@ Luna, can you explain your reads? All of them? Also how do you keep track of your reads? Do you just keep track of them in your head? Do you write them down on a notepad? Or what?

@ Io, who's Karnos's partner?

@ Thor, who's Karnos's partner?

My 993 was directed towards everybody in general.

@ Giga Not really that. If anything you dodged my 959, but that wasn't a question, so technically it's okay. My point still stands though, you're tr'ing Phantom because you don't see scum!Phantom rvs'ing his partner to L-2. I'm saying that I find scum!Phantom more than capable of doing that if he was scum.

At this point, I'm down for any lynch if it means getting the game rolling again

I agree with the bloc, and we should be getting rid of the scummiest first. The only reason lylo will be hard is if there's a reason for the bloc to collapse in the first place.

Yes - that's why I literally said it would in the post you quoted. "then"

Sure dude. It totally does. Like if I spend all of this time attacking somebody, and I don't have a vote on him, it totally changes what I say. What's your point in bringing it up anyways? Are you saying I'm scummy for doing it? If so, how and why?

Yes, I am scumreading you.
I have not indicated my top scumread though.
Are you saying PC is *not* your top scumread?''

Yea atm Phantom is my top scumread.

@Transcend Why is 1536 scummy?

It's getting late so I'm gonna get off. Gonna post the thoughts I have in my head atm, mainly for myself, but mainly cuz I feel obligated to post something. I don't have anything complete atm tho.

1) Thor's case on me is ass. I'll direct reply to it when I have time but I'm getting off. I'm not dodging it, just postponing.

2) Karnos + Rosske ...

Order of Events:

Karnos votes Io.
Rosske votes Thor
Rosske votes KTS
Rosske asks Karnos why he's not voting Thor.

Why doesn't Karnos vote Thor? It's really weird how Karnos tried to indirect attack Thor but when given the opportunity to bandwagon Thor, he doesn't take it. My main problem with the whole Rosske case is if Rosske is trying to support Karnos scum partner here, he should just be voting Io immediately instead of Thor. I don't get why Rosske would try to redirect momentum towards Thor when there was momentum towards Io. Unless there wasn't momentum there in the first place?? But if there wasn't momentum then Karnos should've bandwagoned along with Rosske's vote on Thor.

3) Karnos + Thor ... I was rereading and stuff. There was one post where Karnos defended himself with "me and Thor can't be bussing" therefore they aren't town. Not sure how viable of a scumteam this is yet. I'll need to think about it more. If this is the team then does it make sense for Karnos to not vote Thor when town!Rosske voted Thor? But then there's the whole indirect attack thing.

Giga + Luna for town.

Re-evaluating Transcend + mh

Also I got pretty apathetic rereading through all of that again. I quitted like 20 pages in, and I skipped all of the walls to get there. I'll probably eventually have to force myself to reread through everything though.

Could definitely post more but I don't want to make another great wall of posts that gets laughed at. Not trimming the fat either. However these posts all feel to me like he's had a genuine mindset towards solving the game and not towards manipulating people.

PEDIT: Well you don't really have to read it lmao.

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If "meta" states that I have a tendency to be livid when I'm about to hammered as town, then "meta" can go screw itself.

My hero <3

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It's decision time miss troubadour. Gun to head I'd still lynch smith.

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Welp. Here's hoping both my top town reads were scum. I doubt it tho.

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T, gonna participate in twilight?

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Oh I meant Tenshii when I said T lmfao.

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I get that -- I'm just a very impatient person and our mod takes forever to update the thread so I wanna hear what Tenshii says he is post hammer.

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Hmm...

PEDIT: I'm sleeping soon then going to work so I was sorta banking on knowing relatively soon than having to wait til I get home to figure it out =p

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Not analyzing the kill, it's irrelevant to me just like all the other kills.

I kinda want this game over with. I still fos mhsmith but I respect the hell out of him and I'm not going to insta vote him. I just can't see him being town over Giga but I'm willing to let him attempt to convince me if he wants to.

Are we at a fos triangle? LOL.

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Also I have off of work today but I'm probably going to sleep within the next couple of hours.

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Gosh I am shaking so hard right now. I really ddon't wanna be wrong about this.

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Smith: Did you expect me to snap vote you today?

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I just really really really really really really really really really really really wish that Tenshii wasn't lynched because I was confident he was town. I'm gonna just have to live with that though.

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Okay so if you expected me to snap vote how come you didn't ask me not to immediately snap vote if you thought that there was a pretty good chance that I was town?

I really did try to stop the Tenshii lynch but it was at the price of your head, you kinda had no choice?

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I might be having a sleepless night this is by far the most nervous I've been in a mafia game in a long time.

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Why did all my confidence for this game fly out the window? It's one thing when you have mislynches but now that we have no more I'm absolutely frozen. I've had fairly good reads sans karnos being scum. I still think that it's mhsmith but Giga had questionable actions as well. AFJFJSLSJSJSSS

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When you come back Giga: Why did you let your Tenshii town read go to waste? I'm trying to decide how you 180'd there. I think his play was fairly consistent the whole game and his tone matched throughout the whole game. I gave you a plethora of reasons from my ISO that Tenshii could be town and you didn't really take any of them to heart. Walk me entirely through what made you lynch Tenshii yesterday.

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Okay so I can safely sleep in peace... I will

NOT

be snap voting anyone either because my mind is a jumbled mess and I'm just not confident about anything anymore.

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It's possible that Giga might be Bins-ing me and leaving me alive to ML mhsmith. FJDKDS.

I need to sleep and ISO both of your slots one more time. Gonna be a painful read since you have 300 posts each but I have no room to speak as I Zyf'd this game and have nearly both your posts combined in quantity.

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God you quoted karnos' vote and i had a heart attack.

Good answers.

Smith when you can i want my questions answered.

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What I'm trying to figure out is how you 180'd so many town reads. You had kts as town then lynched him. Then you had PC as town and lynched him. You had tenshii as hard town and then lynched him. And now your tr on me has disintegrated but i can understand the last one since we're in lylo and it's balls intense. I really wanna believe that all those flips you made were genuine and not tactical. But you never exactly committed to a strong scum read. I'm not saying that this play from you makes you scum, but it could make you scum since it looks mad shady.

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Also correct me if I'm wrong but i don't remember you tring the Rosske slot and you weren't on that lynch like ever. Your reads vs the votes you made could be possibly tactical and not genuine.

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Yes giga

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Also smith: why do you think thor was a weird night kill when you had reasons for both of us to be final wolf based on it?

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I'm not losing this game. I will ask more questions than every game host has combined until i have ascertained the final mafia.

Pedit: you didn't lynch him when he got hung.

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Also if memory serves: i don't think you lynched Rosske because you were "anti-Transcend" i.e. you voted whoever i didn't vote.

Pedit: no worries. I'm phone posting as well. Just woke up.

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Just tell me where your head is leaning before you vote.

Tenshii>Mhsmith>I keep waffling between Thor and Transcend as the top townread but I never put much thought into it because you're probably both town anyway

This is the lylo I expected...

Me being spared over Thor points towards Transcend scum, I think. Thor was the person least likely to vote for Mhsmith and bringing both me and him to LYLO is his only shot at survival. I need to think this over though.

Explain this line of thinking for me please. You expected Thor to be NK'd but you had me as potentially one of your best town reads. You immediately pointed a finger at me when Thor flipped. Did you have an unannounced FOS on me yesterday?

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Oh and I don't expect immediate answers either. I understand you both have a life outside of this game. I do too. It's just I'm off the next 3 days. In my perfect world we'd all be online at the same time to directly interact but unfortunately, wishes don't always come true.

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Take ya time lad we have 2 weeks.

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But let it be known that whether you flip town or scum, I bestow the title of biggest waffle of this game to you, Giga.

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Now I'm just trying to decide if you waffle this game is a waffle that is Belgian, cooked straight from the iron, with luscious maple syrup and delectable butter or if your waffle was a soggy uncooked leftover from breakfast Eggo toaster waffle.

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NP.

Can't say this has been a good game of mine either.

I ought to try one of those some time.

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I was fairly sure either Giga or Thor were gonna die.

RN I'm at 75 smith and 25 giga but it's not enough to make a vote.

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mhsmith don't twist my words. I still think you're scum but I'm playing it safe and investing this game until I am absolutely positive on who is scum. I.E. I'm not giving Giga a cake walk win if he's scum. I can say one thing on a mislynch but when it's LYLO my mind can completely change.

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On this site I've only been in one lylo as town and I flat out just yolo'd it immediately and hammered correctly. However that C-14 game was really fast paced unlike this game. I did some reaction tests on Raskol and they made him nearly certain town so I just hammered Ranger to avoid having doubts.

In my scum game on mylo everyone fosed Lowell so I let him get lynched while holding a strongman power to off the jailkeeper.

Both those lynches happened quickly without much waffling from me.

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Actually in diffusion of power I voted rather quickly as well but it wasn't an intense 3P Lylo like this. It was a 6 player MYLO. I almost unvoted Ranger but unfortunately scum slowrolled a blitz so I kept my vote parked on her.

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Basically my behavior is entirely different because this game has gone on for MONTHS and we've had 4 chances to win but flopped all of them. I really don't wanna lose this when we've been so close so many times. If I mishammered Ranger in C-14 it would've been a "meh whatever" as oppposed to mishammering here where it would be like "HOLY F*** I WASTED ALL MY F***ING TIME JUST TO BE WRONG".

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Like I'll be honest this game has given me sleepless nights and made me late for work a few times so losing here would absolutely disgust me.

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To answer your question directly: I think it depends on the game. If it's fast paced and relaxed then I might be quicker to vote in LYLO as opposed to this long and drawn out intense game.

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My batting average excluding Marathon games is pretty terrible I believe.

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I think I'm 2-2 in terms of games I didn't get lynched or night killed for town. Every game I got lynched or night killed I believe I lost.

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I openly refuse to read any games I wasn't in, and this is the only game we're in together right now that hasn't ended. So based on the few times you played EM you weren't that aggressive at all as either alignment. However, I don't think you were as engaged as you are here. You openly stated somewhere you didn't like it.

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I'm just trying to understand how your motivation for the game died if you supposedly pounced mafia d1 and had 5 chances to get the other one.

Speaking for myself, I was eager to find the second mafia and redeem myself after I got dragged and made myself a jack-ass d1.

PEDIT: EM's community is fairly toxic and unfortunately you get stuck with a troll in your game more often than not, but it's still miles better than ToS. I would not recommend my worst enemy to go there.

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Fair enough.

@Both of you:

For each lynch you participated in on a scale of 1-10 I want you to tell me how confident you were of them flipping wolf. 1 being not confident at all and 10 being extremely confident. You can give reasons if you want or just give a number.

Lynches Giga was in:
Karnos
Killthestory
PhantomCobalt
Tenshii

Lynches mshsmith was in:
Karnos
Killthestory
PhantomCobalt
Rosske/MariaR
Tenshii

And I'll answer my own question, but I was only on the Rosske/MariaR lynch.

I sorta have to give two answers. Before MariaR self hammered herself I was at about a 9. However when she self-hammered that immediately dropped to a 4 but I still had a glimmer of hope due to her scummy predecessor and the thought she might've just put herself out of her misery.

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I feel bad for whoever is the other townie because I feel like I'm gamethrowing at this point when I'm trying to justify bad townplay

Don't feel bad if you are town. I've half-assed several town games whether it was due to other, more interesting ongoing games, or if it was just due to me having a lack of care in the game. You didn't throw the game if you're town because you strongarmed scum d1.

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So nothing at all gave you doubt about K-man?

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I for one find that reading the actions of flipped scum is pointless since they can do whatever they want to win the game.

PEDIT: Fair enough I suppose. I wouldn't qualify that confidence as a 10 for myself but we're two different people.

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Smith how were you relatively confident about karnos when your vote looked fairly meatless and it looked like you just sheeped Luna Fox (who you also had doubts about)?

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As for Rosske/Maria lynch you had yourself at a 5 and I think Tenshii was a counterwagon. Why did you ultimately go with R/M over Tenshii? If you answered this before it escapes me, but if not then please clarify.

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VOTE: karnos
I could explain why in detail but it'd involve text walls and based on the way things have gone down I figure that town isn't actually interested. But some of the highlights:

1) as you just noted, his play has been highly defensive and inward-focused; very rarely does he engage with anyone who isn't suspecting him or addressing him (and ftr, this is NOT something he was "forced" to do, it's a choice about how he spends his time)

2) he's advanced a number of poor arguments (the "misspelling=scum" bit on io, twisting what Thor said in a few spots, notably the bit about the "100%" town read on you, etc)

3) 196 reads as pretty fake

Ps

that's L-1

Pps I still don't like Luna, but her postings weren't as weak as I thought on the second read through. And there are a number of other slots that really haven't done much either. Probably a coasting wolf somewhere in the game, but I'm really not sure who it'd be.

shut the FUCK UP

don't discredit my reads

Well, I'm suspicious of Luna, but you also read me as wolf just now for a pretty dumb reason.

YOURE SUSPICIOUS OF LUNA YET YOU LYNCHED THE MOTHERFUCKING PERSON THAT LUNA JUST LYNCHED LIKE A WALK IN THE PARK

WHEN THE NEXT DAY PHASE STARTS YOUR ASS IS GRASS

I'm suspicious of Luna yet I'm also suspicious of karnos, and reading the thread and the back and forth makes more more suspicious of karnos than Luna. This is scum-indicative because _______?

This is your whole Luna vs. Karnos argument and I might have missed something there. I think out of all votes on karnos yours had the least depth in it. But you're right in that you didn't sheep Luna Fox. I just thought that your vote coming right after Luna's was super weird after you were sus of her.

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Yea okay fair enough I'm not a big fan of walls. I also lied. KTS' vote was the most meatless. But it was the nail in the coffin so I had an extremely hard time thinking that he could be scum.

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Anyways FMPOV: karnos was bussed by his partner.

This points to mhsmith being wolf because his vote and tunnel were over all softer and possibly less genuine than Giga. However his answer to my question stated he was "w/e" with the lynch as he claims he was about a 7 in confidence.

Now it could also point to Giga because no one can be 100% certain that a wolf is wolf unless they are actually wolf. Being a 10 that someone was scum sounds incredibly risky. Also mhsmith brought up a point that Giga could've voted karnos and then Io and Thor dumped on him so him unvoting would be inconsistent. He might've had no point of return.

I think that's enough analysis of the karnos bw because it's mostly inconclusive for me and both of you bussing is plausible. Gun to head if I were lynching off of this I'd probably choose mhsmith.

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Anyways both of your answers to all my inquiries feel very good and consistent thus far. This will be a toughie to figure out, but I am determined.

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For me I'm either dead wrong in the beginning of the game and figure out stuff later on, or I'm dead on initially and then I waffle and 180 and flop.

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It's usually the former though.

Good reads initially, terrible reads later on: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67015

I pounced ploben d1 but Zyf was playing extremely good scum and I just might've lost to him if he didn't scumslip.

Horrible reads initially, good reads later on: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67016

I had Mirhawk and Airick as town and they both flipped scum. However, I was the only one to sus Almost50 when he made a gambit that nearly cleared him.

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Yeah okay smith your vote on k looks a bit less meatless than I had originally thought, but I think it could still possibly be a bus.

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BTW all 3 of us have sworn today when the mod doesn't like it. Lol.

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I can't prove it wasn't a bus, but I don't think here was anything there that seemed especially bus-like beyond "he could have been bussing". Does anything look like bussing to you beyond "well it could have been"?

No, not anymore. I felt more inclined to believe your vote was a bus but then you defended yourself and I rather like it.

But that's the same thing for Giga.

I know one of you bussed but I just have no idea and it's plausible for you both to have bussed so the bus on karnos is not going to factor who I ultimately vote.

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I'm done rereading this game in its entirety. I read it 3 times after Rosske got flipped since I monumentally fucked up and one more time just so I could be confident going into LYLO. I'm only going to review your ISOs and ask questions.

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Since I haven't really defended myself and I apologize for the wifom but

I didn't really agree to lynch karnos because I felt he was lynch-baity town getting lynched and I didn't entirely agree with the reasons on him. However, I clearly stated that I didn't like the person who he was lynching as scum either (Io) and that was the lynch he was trying to get away with. It did gain some momentum, and if I were scum defending him I'd vote with him to get Io lynched. If my intentions were to defend him, pursuing a vanity lynch on Luna Fox would not be the way to do it. I just genuinely did not like Luna Fox's tone and her posts felt very off and at least one other body here agrees with me on that part. I can't really say what I'd do as scum since I'm not scum and I played this game as town, but I'd probably bus just like the wolf in smith/giga did to gain towncred rather than have myself attached to supporting karnos being town.

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I did say at one point that I felt Io might've been a wolf pursuing an opportunistic scapegoat lynch on lynchbait town but then I read into her further and just dismissed their battle as TVT. Hence the attempt to get votes on other parties such as PC when I thought his RVS vote was tactical and then Luna Fox.

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I feel that if I were scum I could've gotten Io lynched because I was far from the only part that thought Karnos was town. 5 people were sold that karnos was scum {Giga, Thor, Io, Fox, Smith} So that leaves 5 people which could've lynched Io over karnos.

Rosske: Was in fact voting Io.

PhantomCobalt: He literally said that he townread karnos and only voted him in RVS as a joke.

Tenshii: Clearly stated he thought karnos was town, so he probably would've acquiesced to Io vs. karnos.

Killthestory: Was being fairly neutral most of the game but I do remember him saying that karnos was town so he probably would've lynched Io.

Transcend: If I were scum, I could've bought karnos more time by voting Io because I'm fairly sure these 4 would've lynched Io over karnos. I think if I were scum, pursuing a lynch outside of karnos and Io would be basically sending him to the gallows without sending him to the gallows.

PEDIT: I met Giga in this game, we played in an ongoing game together as well (you're co-hosting it lol).

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I did skim 649 since a good chunk of my favorite people on the site were in that game but it's not enough to make meta on him. I very loosely followed that game and basically just checked up on the vote logs and the flips for the most part.

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Nah. I think it's just safe to say we became really good friends on this medium. We sorta have some kind of a circlejerk with kraskanumbers and MariaR. I mean hell, Giga made my new AUTO avatar.

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Wish I was in 649. Looked really fun with a fun player list but I was extremely overloaded.

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I haven't had a successful hydra >:(

But I think I'd typically prefer to play independently but I wouldn't be opposed to hydra-ing anyone.

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Oh wow just noticed how recent you were to the site. I thought for sure you were someone who's been here for a while.

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I have a massive amount of EM games played. I was on this site very briefly but I wasn't extremely mafia advanced like I am now. This was in 2011 and I was like 16.

All this aside: All 3 of us are relatively new to the site and whoever is scum out of us is playing a very good game for a new player so hats to them.

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Probably gonna look more into the ISOs and the other votes tomorrow besides karnos because I've basically decided it's inconclusive. Game's kinda stale rn.

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For your viewing pleasure I made a records page for myself and put it in my signature. I do have a wiki page, but I refuse to make a table using the HTML code.

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Giga, me refusing to analyze nks is due to fire and ice where it fucked me into oblivion.

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No worries.

Think I'm gonna hang out with friends tonight. I'll likely be more active tomorrow.

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ntruging theoryu got there buck-o

(i'm drunk don't take anthing i take seriously)

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idk i didn't get that drunk

i think i'm silly and caps a lot

also *say

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Too frazzled to take all this shit in.

Read up later.

I'm fuckin town tho.

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K

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Bout ready to vote smith honestly and say eff it. This is frazzled me though and i will take one more look at this game when I'm fully awake but i went into this day fosing smith and i just had a few questions to ask giga which he answered fairly well.

One thing i will say before i go out against my own fucking will is that i did not pocket tenshii. And i will not stand for having being accused of doing such. Yes, i defended the shit out of scout in creatures mini, but that was tactical. I knew he was jk and i knew i could pseudo confirm someone as mafia. This time it's entirely different and not tactical. He's been my best town read throughout the course of the entire game. He was someone i was not worried in the slightest about being scum. I made a massive fucking wall defending the shit out of him and attacking smith that took me three fucking hours. With all that and being labeled as pocketing genuinely pisses me off.

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And if you think my tr was implausible, giga he was in your top tier of town reads along with me, kts trd him, and he was the best tr of wing/ira who got flipped immediately when they joined the game.

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I need to look at a few things before i make any final decisions. Like i said, i have a massive amount of respect for you and your effort this game. It would absolutely destroy me if you did flip town and i was the reason we both lost. But throughout the course of the game i don't think that your effort was town motivated, rather, just really good scum play. I make no decision until I'm fully awake though.

Pedit please fuck off with the night kill analysis bullshit. I am town and i would be gutted to be hammered off of some stupid shit like nka. I have told you countless fucking times why using it is ineffective. Scum can kill whoever the fuck they want to win the game. Whether it makes sense or not.

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Anyways giga i have a feeling you will get hammer and you will hammer me. I swear on everything that's not the right choice. You have waffled this entire fucking game and you've been letting town reads you've had get lynched left and right due to doubting yourself. You're not a shit player giga. You pounced karnos d1. You correctly had two town in your top tier on day 2. Your constant waffling has led you to participate in mislynch after mislynch. You need to learn to trust your initial thoughts. Because from the bottom of my heart if you are town you were correct with me being town for all of the game. I refuse to let you hammer me after you had me as confident town all game. I refuse to get hammered when i tried my absolute damndest to make sure you didn't lynch my tr which was formerly your tr.

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Anywho giga if you're going to vote based on who has the better case, mhsmith is gonna win this game and I'll just self vote right now and speed up the process. I have exerted a shit ton of effort in this game i made a giant recollection of thoughts from my iso to support smith scum and Tenshii town. Smith seems to be taking every flaw in my game and absolutely dumping on it to benefit his.

I will not stoop to doing massive quote walls to win a game. I have other things i need to do. But i have given all my thoughts and i really have nothing more to bring to the table.

Like i said you're the biggest waffle this fucking game and you've doubted so many trs to lynch them. Today is no different.

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And yeah no pressure or anything but i will be extremely gutted if you lynch me after all the effort i exerted and after all the sleepless nights I've had from trying to solve this game. It won't impact our friendship at all though it's a tough hammer and i don't hold anything against you personally.

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I'm likely gonna vote very soon and clear you. Enjoy your scum win if I'm wrong. But it's almost next to impossible for you to be scum.

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I ate in every single game i play. I think I'm a skilled AtEr

So yeah again you just point out any flaw i make then call it scummy.

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Fuck off I've been game solving all game, not just today, and I'm not gonna let your stupid case on me say otherwise.

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You irritate me so much.

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I love you outside of the game but inside of this game you're genuinely ticking me off.

Pedit: fine give me some time to exert even MORE effort than i already have.

Alternatively you can make both of our lives easier by trusting your initial thoughts, not making me do all that fucking work, voting mhsmith, and winning the game as either faction.

But if that doesn't appease you then i need more time because the content i have was basically my pique.

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Oh yeah amazing.

Impossible for mhsmith to be scum that killed the ira slot that was ready to lynch him. Do you not realize how easy this lylo was for him to set up? You and thor voted tenshii like a walk in the park. I fought like hell against that. That was a super easy mislynch for mhsmith to achieve.

Don't you think I'd do something like

Off giga let ira mislynch the shit out of smith

Off ira. Me thor tenshii cake walk scum win.

You're not considering all the options

And i want you to know i map out every scum game i make.

So if ira looks like a scum kill on my behalf when it would've been a cinch to get smith lynched that way and not this way along with a super easy 3 way, idk what to say yo.

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Giga wanted to lynch tenshii over the Rosske slot. If i were scum, how the fuck would i be able to get him to lynch you over tenshii. Having ira ml you would be miles easier.

Pedit: io had me as town as well. I was expecting a thor death that night but someone tactically kept thor alive.

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Falcon had some good posts and i almost compromised with him to lynch smith. I kinda wish i did, but the Rosske slot needed death.

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these walls are terrible btw

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"this is why trans sucks" "this is why giga sucks" they both suck but trans sucks more

just a lot more fluffier

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cherry picking random posts saying "this sucks" maybe going a bit more in depth lol

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and this isn't just today you've been doing this.

you have walled nearly every player in the entire game making some sort of a case on them.

like i do not remember you walling rosske at all. forgive me if wrong it escapes my memory and i'm not reading your iso.

you walled tenshii quite a bit honestly.

yet your final vote on that day?

YOU FUCKING VOTED ROSSKE over TENSHII.

Oh but let's not forget about the time Wing voted me for two seconds then you hopped along

Then wing was like lol no and unvoted and you did not long afterwards

And then I said my case on Rosske and you laughed it off pretty hard, mocked me, berated me then you lynched the same person.

Your walls have been nothing but clumps of random posts and you've been happy to lynch someone you didn't wall.

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and this isn't just today you've been doing this.

you have walled nearly every player in the entire game making some sort of a case on them.

like i do not remember you walling rosske at all. forgive me if wrong it escapes my memory and i'm not reading your iso.

you walled tenshii quite a bit honestly.

yet your final vote on that day?

YOU FUCKING VOTED ROSSKE over TENSHII.

Oh but let's not forget about the time Wing voted me for two seconds then you hopped along

Then wing was like lol no and unvoted and you did not long afterwards

And then I said my case on Rosske and you laughed it off pretty hard, mocked me, berated me then you lynched the same person.

Your walls have been nothing but clumps of random posts and you've been happy to lynch someone you didn't wall.

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I personally think d4 is the most incriminating day

Do you wanna be cleared yet Giga

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I doubt I see myself reaching any other conclusion. If you flipped scum I HAD YOU D2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So wp if you dodged that bullet.

VOTE: mhsmith0

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POST YOU FUCKER CLEAR YOURSELF OR WIN THE GAME AAAA I CANT HANDLE THE SUSPENSE

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GIGA HELLO

PEDIT: SAME

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DIDNT FUCKING SUCK ALL GAME LONG

JUST ONLY DAY 1

please take your time i feel you're on your way to a mishammer

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dude im conf scum to u

uc an stop waffling now

PEDIT I THOUGHT GIGA FLASH HAMMERED ME AND I HAD THE BIGGES MINI HEART ATTACK EVER

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i feel i've been fairly clear as well.

PLEASE GIVE INTENT TO HAMMER

I WILL BE GIVING YOU THE MOST DISGUSTING ATE IF YOU THINK ABOUT HAMMERING ME

IM

NOT

LOSING

THIS

GAME

AFTER

REDEEMING

MYSELF

SO

WELL

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ily giga

im sorry for being a shit but i'm not letting you lose this

no way

nuh uh

i had this guy as a scumspect for quite a long time

and he is NOT ESCAPING ROPE

LIKE HE HAS FOR 4 DAYS TOO FUCKING LONG

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Easy move to save karnos:

Vote Io. I gave logic that suggested Io would be lynched.

What I did:

Voted outside of both my townreads because I thought it was a TvT duel.

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I redeemed myself after my shitshow of a D1, by having decent reads. I had it narrowed down to pretty much you/Rosske/Luna Fox. I'm proud of myself for doing that within 9 other people.

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I voted you multiple times but my incorrect better judgment told me to stick with Luna or Rosske

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Hypotehtically if me and karnos were scum and got Io lynched, that doesn't mean that karnos would be lynched the next day. Both of us are competent wolf players and probably could've made it to the end without getting lynched.

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you don't know how the game would've played out with me/karnos wolf so you can't make any assumptions.

i cant either, but i'm confident if i'm wolf I would either give him an out or just directly bus him like you did, rather than pushing vanity lynches that honestly wouldn't happen and basically indirectly bussing him.

I made an incorrect judgment based on falsified meta based on falsified reads and that's all there is to that. that was me playing to my town wincon. not my scum wincon.

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Biggest mistakes this game

- Townreading karnos
- Focusing mmore on Luna Fox and Rosske when mhsmith's vote hop was terrible
- Stillfocusing on Luna/Rosske after KTS flip shenaningans from mhsmith
- Not sheeping wingbaack over myself on d4

I really can't think of anything else, I tried my ABSOLUTE FUCKIGN DAMNDEST 3 FUCKING HOURS to get mhsmith lynched and tenshii saved and i fucking failed and i'm fucking furious because tenshii giga and thor were obvious fucking town.

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hey well you waffled too. it didn't take me long to gain my composure though.

you had several walls that went back and forth between "trans season" "giga season" "trans season" "giga season"

i suspected thor on what

day 2?

that read dissipated quickly when you were scumming up the game as well as rosske.

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You're using my day 1 scumread against me that I changed after the flip

Good 1

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I mean it was still very very lightly there, just like my shit on Giga was from the past but you and Rosske and LF were myy heavy scumreadsand the more the game went on, the more Thor and Giga obvtowned.

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Like Thor's d1 was questionable

Giga's d2 was questionable

But the rest of the game they were obvious town and I really had no doubt that you or Rosske were final wolf after Luna replaced out the way she did.

Off topic but if I were scum I would've requested a fast night too. We had to wait 48 fucking hours just for one measly action. Every night should've been a speed night imo. Good call there mhsmith.

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oh and mhsmith and i will be cool after this game. he's been playing SUPER hard as scum the entire game and he's going 20 times as hard today. So extreme aggression will be seen from me and I will do nothing to stop it.

like i said, i mad respect the guy.

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It's a matter of:

Giga and Tenshii were shittingly blatant town

Thor was fairly obvious town

You were the only logical scumspect but IF it was NOT YOU then i probably would've gone with Thor.

PEDIT: Giga sleep just let us fight we won't break too much >:)

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oh and mhsmith and i will be cool after this game. he's been playing SUPER hard as scum the entire game and he's going 20 times as hard today. So extreme aggression will be seen from me and I will do nothing to stop it.

like i said, i mad respect the guy.

I respect your scum play Trans. I'm happy to match wits with you, and doubly happy to actually do it as town (seriously, you should actually read some of my scum games sometime, I'm like REALLY not good at it).

Well I'm reading one of your scum games right now and I think you're playing phenomenally!

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Don't take any blame for the loss, I think mhsmith is crapping on me right now and he might just out-town me. If you lose just give a handshake to him.

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I'll also remember for the record that I can't just get pocketed by you being "bad town". It's actually kind of funny that I recently had a game with Ranger where I was like "no way could she possibly be this bad as town" (she was ), which made me more sensitive to the possibility of competent players just playing badly as town (not explaining cases, being lazy w reads, etc).

yeah i had a game where ranger was horrible town. i always scumread her no matter what lol.

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tbh i'm lynchbait as well

but i'm not letting myself be lynchbait this time lol

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im surprised you didn't try to lynch me super hard earlier after you saw how lynchbaity i was in your mini mhsmith

pedit: i have legitimately 2 wins out of god knows how many games on this site as town.

I WILL NOT LOSE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Good news is your record of 0 mislynches will be kept no matter what the result of this game is.

Bad news is if I eat the noose it will be ML #4 or 5 I've eaten on this site lol.

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gigabyteTroubadour

well sry mhsmith but ima stick with my guns from the beginning

VOTE: mhsmith0

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YES YOU WON YOU DID IT FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

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it's pay back from double voting me >:)

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you typoed my name and i thought giga flash voted me

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Unfortunately for you I troll as both alignments because I'm just a goofball

Game over. Me Pers and Penguin were scum.

Enjoy your free death, MURDERCAT.

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Well that's a lie, I just trolled you hardcore and you know my alignment

Mostly made that post for Giga in case one of your bullshit meta posts captivated his eye.

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As I said

I respect the hell out of you to not instantly vote you

You were waffling between me and Giga so okay I took everything Giga done that was scummy into consideration and a bits of what you said but I didn't chew too much for too long. Your constant waffling which Giga has also done but his waffling felt more genuine led to me ultimately voting you and discarding any form of scumread on Giga and willingly handing him the game if he's scum like I said I would.

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How dare you say that my anger was faked.

Put yourself in my shoes.

Say Thor was getting wagoned for w/e reason you TR'd him since d1 you did everything you could to get the lynch off of Thor for quite a long time. Let's say for keks and giggles Tenshii was the scum you were trying to lynch but stupid me and stupid Giga were like "naa tenshii obv town dodgeball kek vote thor". And then Thor flips after you were right after all that time. Would you not be at least a little bit flustered? I understand we're two different people but I was fucking fumed when Giga hammered Tenshii there after he was our solid townread that he doubted himself on.

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Maybe obvious fucking town wasn't the right term since I know all three of their alignments now and they are all confirmed town. But still, they were heavy heavy townreads compared to you and Rosske.

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Thor's vote on karnos was fucking weird okay? He just sheeped Giga and in the most neutral way. The vote looked tactical as opposed to genuine. Hence why I threw a vote his way.

As time went on and the karnos wagon grew larger I still really hated it until Luna Fox voted it and then I just deathtunneled her into oblivion. Then in twilight I announced that you voting right after Luna voted when you sussed her looked pretty tactical. Hence why Thor went on the back burner.

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k well i wasted 3 hours of my life i could've done something different but i used them in a valiant attempt to win the game and it got laughed off and ignored even though it was fucking solid. game winning case gets ignored and top townread gets lynched. i get mad easily, i show my anger and i'm not afraid to hide it.

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did i ever lynch thor after d1?

my vote was never on him. I never thought about voting him once. I did say if it was him vs. Tenshii I'd vote him due to Tenshii being really obvious town, but I wouldn't have been happy with that cross at all.

You act like I'm not allowed to have a massive amount of strong townreads like I did this game {KTS, PC, Thor, Giga, Io, Tenshii, Lunaslotpostsub}

Obviously some townreads will be weaker than others

In this case, come final 5 Thor was my weakest townread. Still fairly strong though considering I didn't want to lynch him and I tried reasoning with him when he discredited my reads to no avail.

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"Obvious fucking town" was incorrect word choice on my behalf and it might've come with slight bias knowing that all 3 of the slots are town now.

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2689 was one of the most sarcastic posts I've made this game.

Like I said I doubted it was gonna end the game, but I always have a small glimmer of hope yannoe so my tone was a bit positive even though I felt there was slim to no chance of it flipping scum.

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In thread treatment of the slots:

"Hey guys KTS is probably town. Stop fucking lynching him. Here, there's 4 better options than him. Here's why" (i was slightly sring giga d2 so he was a reasonable candidate)

"Hey guys instead of lynching PC we should just replace the slot as he's obviously not in to the game anymore. I think these guys could be scum and we should lynch them for x y z"

Then taking 3+ hours to make a game winning case to defend Tenshii and attack you.

You cannot say that I am over representing the strength of my TRs.

Now each time they got flipped I played it very hopeful like always in that "hey maybe I was the idiot maybe he flipped scum"

So your point is moot.

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The point is I didn't fake my emotion and I will not let you get away with having Giga thinkthat I faked my emotions after all that fucking effort to save him.

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Sarcasm can be caused by fury.

PEDIT: Not #2 scumspect. Mostly "a compromise lynch at best" sorta deal. I wasn't gonna vote anyone willingly unless it was needed to hammer besides Luna/Rosske/You and for a brief bit Giga because he was being a weirdo.

LYLO plays out a whole differently than mislynches when you have safety nets.

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Ok well hypothetically let's say i'm scum: I do the same thing, spend 3 hours walling up bullshit for you to be scum and for tenshii to be town. Giga lynches my easy win. I bet you more than anything I'd still be fucking fumed because all that effort would be wasted into lynching someone who was going to be a massive obstacle for me in LYLO.

My anger was not faked and honestly you making up loads of crap and analyzing my tone is incredibly disrespectful.

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I'm just a really irritable guy when things don't go my way.

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Anyways all your votes were tactical none were genuine. You wagon hopped like a mofo. Your progression of reads was not genuine. You never tried to find "the one" you found "ones". Aka the scapegoat mislynches you needed to fulfill your wincon. This game is disgustingly mapped out in your favor.

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If I played your scumgame i.e. bussing karnos I'd probably get some towncred for a while but then ultimately get lynched around f7 or maybe f5 because I don't have the audacity to post walls like you.

You really had no consistent person you pushed on. I really don't think you led the charge for any strong vote. Your walls are just clutters of random cherry picked posts that you dumped into the thread with limited explanations to them.

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Like seriously before today you've not discredited hardly any actions I've done this game. Today, you've discredited legitimately my entire game. You didn't have any of these thoughts throughout the rest of the game because I was never a liable lynch choice for anyone else. There's no way that you can have so much shit on me right now and have not brought any of it up previously in the game. Your walls were tactical, intended for the leading lynch to achieve scapegoats. Sometimes you didn't even wall the leading person you just softly acquiesced to the leading person while discrediting other people's reads on them.

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still using NKA

okay well fine you can flip me but please promise me you won't use it so reliably in future games because it's fucking stupid.

i'm sorry about the wifom but seriously NKA is awful.

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as for my anger it's a genuine trait from me no matter what. i get extremely irritated at the most trivial things. especially when it comes to this game.

PS: no that wasn't a concede and you can stop faking that it was

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play however you want it does tick me off but tick me off as much as you want because you'll probably win if you keep it up.

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my (genuine) anger in lylo has gotten me mislynched countless times due to it appearing scummy so take advantage of that.

i have no idea why i'm giving you winning tips anymore but after yesterday i just don't care anymore. i thought i would but i really genuinely honestly do not.