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Post Post #1  (isolation #0)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:52 am

Sup. Do you have any previous mafia experience?

To answer the question for me.. I've never played on Mafiascum before, but I've played mafia in real life and on another forum.

I've never played as mafia, or "scum", though.

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Post Post #2  (isolation #1)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:58 am

Also, as a reminder to myself (and you), seeing as we have a roleblocker, we know the setup must be 'A' or '2'.

That means we have (1) mafia goon, (1) mafia roleblocker, (1) town cop, (1) town doctor, and (5) vanilla townies.

OR

We have (1) mafia goon, (1) mafia roleblocker, (1) town jailkeeper, (1) 1-shot BP townie, and (5) vanilla townies.

We must be careful not to slip that we know what power roles the town possibly have.

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Post Post #3  (isolation #2)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:21 am

I think if we get to LYLO and we know which setup we have (presumably because we killed a PR), the townier of us should claim the remaining PR before the real PR does. I don't know much about fake claims, (or even if that's a good gambit), so it'll be interesting. Let me know if you think it's a bad idea.

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Post Post #4  (isolation #3)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:49 am

Starting to read up on it, this'll be my last message as I'm helping a friend for most of the day.

If one of us gets cornered day one (We're at L-1 and someone declares intent to hammer), we should claim a PR as a last-ditch effort to out one of them. Personally, I'd claim Doctor. That way, if the setup is cop/doctor, we might get the doc to reveal, or if it's jailkeeper/BP, we still might get one to reveal. If we claim cop and the real cop reveals, and I'm the one lynched, they'll be able to play Follow the Cop. But if the doctor reveals and I die, we'll remove at least remove a PR.

Hope you get in here before pregame ends, we can only speak to eachother right now and at nighttime.

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Post Post #5  (isolation #4)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:50 am

*we'll at least remove a PR

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Post Post #9  (isolation #5)  » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:30 pm

To stop us from killing, town will either have a doctor to save a victim, or a "roleblock/protector" to roleblock us or save a victim, depending on who he jails. If there's a jailkeeper then there's also a 1-shot BP, which will be near impossible to get rid of once they claim, if uncountered.

I can't think of a case for town to no-lynch the first day, but it might look like newb-town if one of us pretends.

Some healthy interactions are important. If we don't engage with eachother at all it'll look suspicious.

As for the day one lynch, if a townie forms a case on one of us, we may need to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Preferably making it seem unrelated to the former wagon.

If theres town vs. town going on, we could each take one town members side, or have one of us take a side and the other say they believe it's town v town (if they can form strong enough reasoning so it doesn't seem like we KNOW it's town v town).

I believe the most important things we can do are be townread, find the PRs, and cast suspicion on the IC if we don't plan to nightkill him. It's always scary when the IC lives a long time in newbie games, we just gotta make sure he can't flip it around on us.

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Post Post #12  (isolation #6)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:29 pm

Just my luck that nn is V/LA for the next couple of days..

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Post Post #13  (isolation #7)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:32 pm

@mod Am I able to perform the kill and roleblock on the same night?

If I can't/won't, am I able to make nn do the kill even though he's not here?

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Post Post #14  (isolation #8)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:35 pm

Oh mb night lasts three days, not two. He should be able to make it.

Still wondering the first question, though.

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Post Post #18  (isolation #9)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:26 pm

Oh that's a relief, then.

I disagree about Titus being a VI, she's probably the person I fear the most even though her reads have been wrong thus far.
Managing to kill Titus would basically confirm algebra as scum for everyone else AND get rid of a power player (imo). Problem is, I can see her getting protected.

I think our d3 mislynch will be the hardest lynch of all if we don't kill at least one PR. Empoof is probably the easiest mislynch.

Personally I think Papa, algebra, and empoof are likely vanillas. Dunny, arona, and titus I'm less sure about.

Dunny and I have shared opinions a few times now, not just when we agreed about the shadow wagon. I feel like we might be able to sway her to our side.

I'm favoring an arona kill, but I'd be willing to switch to Dun.

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Post Post #19  (isolation #10)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:27 pm

Forgot to add Titus is fine to live for tonight as she townreads you for an unknown reason

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Post Post #20  (isolation #11)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:32 pm

ON THE SUBJECT OF ROLEBLOCKING
Theres a 50/50 chance we've got a cop in here, I'd like to aim to roleblock that person if they exist. Plus if it's a jailkeeper setup, we might get an offensive jailkeeper instead.

Who is most likely to interrogate one of us? I'll read through the thread and ponder this tonight, then get back to you tomorrow.

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Post Post #23  (isolation #12)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:11 pm

Oh by interrogate I meant what the cop does at night.

Last reply for tonight, hopefully can get that reread done..

I'm thinking algebra would put more effort into not being put on stand if he was a PR (and if he is PR there's a fair chance he won't be believed, too)

Empoof is more a gut feeling, could be wrong.

I agree Titus seems to trust you for some reason. This could be seen as a Titus/nn scumteam to the others, when algebra flips town I think that's where they'll be looking.

The only thing stopping our kill (other than someone getting protected by doc/jk) is if there's a jailkeeper and one of us is jailed. If jailkeeper is a nn/Titus believer (like algebra prolly) I think you'll be jailed, so I agree I'll do the killing.

If Papa's cop I'm sure he'll cop me (Tweet needs to post more). If arona's cop we got that covered, I don't think Dun will cop me, Titus might go me but also might have some secretive read, and algebra is taken care of mostly. Empoof still thinking about.

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Why do you say that? While it's true Papa ended up townie, I'm not sure he was specifically trying to get killed.

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Post Post #26  (isolation #13)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:26 am

I've thought about helping algebra out, problem is he's so scummy it'd be like I know he's town. However if I get a reason to defend him tomorrow, letting him live would be advantageous.

That Dunny logic is what my townie self is upset about, why'd we switch to shadowez when algebra was obviously going to get lynched either today or tomorrow? If Dun argues a logical case for algebra I'll buddy her, or if I'm feeling ballsy I'll make the case myself.

If algebra lives through day 2, I think he'll go after Titus day 3.

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Post Post #28  (isolation #14)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:03 pm

If you get lynched, letting algebra live on would be less useful, as I'd need an extra mislynch anyway.

That sounds like it'd be a good move if you become under fire, but bringing you back into the lynch conversation seems like high risk low reward.

If at any point during the day there's a major algebra wagon and a less strong nn one, I might go with something like

"We can almost guarantee there is 1 scum in [nn30, algebra]. I do not believe they're a scumteam, due to them solely pushing eachother today, rather than attempting a townie mislynch.

Therefore, lynching one will give us the other's alignment. If we mislynch, we'll get a correct lynch tomorrow, but if we hit the scum today then we'll have a townie to trust in.

So far I wouldn't favour one over the other. So my logic is that:

Yesterday, we acted as if we'd lynch algebra 100% today. What if we lynch nn30, though? We'll gain the same info (this one is town, other is scum, vice versa), and we've done something scum weren't expecting us to do. If nn flips town, we've got the confirmed algebra lynch for tomorrow. If nn flips scum, we'll have a confirmed town algebra and one scum down."

Now that I've written it out, it sounds like I'm really defending my scumbudy algebra here, and trying to push a mislynch on you. What if this post got me lynched? They'd definitely hang algebra the next day, and since I pushed a nn lynch, you'll look like a townie. I could see leaving Dunny alive for the final mislynch, as I can see them choosing a Dun/Morning scumteam over an nn/Morning scumteam at that point.

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Post Post #30  (isolation #15)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:06 pm

In post 28, Morning Tweet wrote:They'd definitely hang algebra the next day

Since I pushed a nn lynch, you'll look like a townie.
Lmao I literally contradicted myself with 2 adjacent sentences, you'd look like a townie for that day then it'd be immediately lost after algebra's flip. Had to make that post quicky, sorry about that :lol:

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Post Post #31  (isolation #16)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:10 pm

Anyway pushing an nn lynch over algebra would look great for me if I were strong enough to get you lynched, but I think it'd most likely blow up in my face then the situation would play out very poorly for both of us.

Although I suppose passively going along with the easy lynches isn't going to help us in the long run, either.

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Post Post #33  (isolation #17)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:22 am

I agree with the roleblock 100%, Arona's debatable but I think it'll seal the deal on algebra's wagon for tomorrow + Arona might be a PR. I don't think it's likely he'll be protected by a doctor, I could see him possibly being jailkept. I can see most everyone being jailkept, though.

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Post Post #34  (isolation #18)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:26 am

Just in case we aren't able to get back online or we don't change our minds, I'll make our placeholder actions

Roleblock: Papa Zito

(Morning) Kills: Aronagrundy

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Post Post #36  (isolation #19)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:46 pm

If I can somehow create a reasonable case for algebra, it'd be optimal to do it. If I can make myself look like his buddy, this could work:

D2 - (5 Town v 2 Mafia) Lynch townie other than algebra
D3 - (3 Town v 2 Mafia) Lynch Morning Tweet, whom defended algebra and seems like his buddy. She flips scum.
D4- (2 Town v 1 Mafia) Lynch algebra whom is still alive, he's obviously Morning's buddy. Lynch algebra, scum wins.

For this to work the cop (if there is one) has absolutely GOT to be dead ASAP. The game lasts too long for him/her to get that many results.

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Post Post #38  (isolation #20)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:58 pm

In that case, if we mislynch someone other than algebra D2 and they go after algebra rather than myself D3, we'd win.

No reads of substance for the cop.

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Post Post #42  (isolation #21)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:52 pm

The general consensus feels like "There's one scum in Morning/nn30, and one in Titus/Papa/Empoof".

If I continue playing the logic angle then you'd be my probable target. I'm fairly sure either you'll be singled out tomorrow or Papa/Titus will duel to the very end.

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Post Post #44  (isolation #22)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:03 pm

The bulletproof cannot reveal to confirm themself as long as we do not hit them tonight. If we hit the bulletproof, it could be very bad news for us.

I've been thinking about siking the town out by killing Empoof instead of Dunny. At the surface it seems pointless to frame Dun as she's so townread, but I could see it working. In addition I do not think Empoof is the BP. HOWEVER if he is BP it could still work out for us, as he is such an odd kill. All we'd have to do is counterclaim and I think one of us could beat him. Might be missing something, though, so Dunny might more safe.

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Post Post #45  (isolation #23)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:05 pm

*be more safe

If I'm not the one to start it, it could look like bussing. I'll start it after Papa and Titus fight, if that occurs.

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Post Post #46  (isolation #24)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:16 pm

If Dunny turns out to be BP it's not that big a deal, though, since they all think she's town anyway. Perhaps trying something fancy is a bad idea.

In a "Titus Empoof Zito nn Morning" town, I'd have more room to attack an Empoof scumteam. I'd have to make sure not to leave you out on accident, but I don't think it'd be a big problem.

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Post Post #47  (isolation #25)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:26 am

Upon reread I'm fairly sure an nn/Titus scumteam will be pushed tomorrow. They may go for Titus first, since I probably could be her partner as well. If they do vote for you, I'd like to see what Titus does in reaction.

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Post Post #53  (isolation #26)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:23 pm

I agree we should kill Dunny. Sad face.

What I mean is I don't think the town believes both of us are town, but strongly suspect that either Titus or Zito are scum.
It's true I'm not scumread, but I'm also not townread.

Empoof is the swing vote tomorrow, I think. I wish you could push Zito with him but if you did defend Papa yesterday probably not a good idea.

I think the only way we lose the game is by ignoring each other and creating a new scumteam theory. If you're lynched I still think we'll win the next day with Titus/nn being prominent.

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Post Post #54  (isolation #27)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:39 pm

My town thought process is that one or two people on the Shadow wagon must be scum. However, I don't think Zito and Titus are both scum. Meaning,

Zito/Empoof
Titus/Empoof
Zito/nn
Titus/nn
Empoof/nn

Are the scumteams I suspect. This is much less useful with Dunny dead, but we gotta kill her.

I think I'll fabricate some argument to remove Empoof/nn and cut the list down to

Zito/Empoof
Titus/Empoof
Zito/nn
Titus/nn

Then, I'll find a way to townread Titus.

Zito/Empoof
Zito/nn

Making me on board with a Papa lynch. I'll try to convince you to join the wagon (but you won't, further convincing Empoof of the Zito/nn scumteam). Then, I will vote Papa or Empoof votes and I'll join him. Once Zito has amassed two votes, you'll do a 180 and hammer Zito after defending him.

This plan works even better if Titus helps make Empoof suspicious of Zito, and possibly adds a vote on Zito herself.

Do you have any thoughts on this possibility for tomorrow?

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Post Post #57  (isolation #28)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:02 pm

Something I noticed, if Empoof goes after Titus instead of Zito the plan stays the same, I just have to townread Zito instead, while you'd defend Titus.

I think, first of all, we shouldn't hide our online status during day three. Let's say for example Zito has been voted from Empoof.

First, I check if you're online. If so, I then make a post in the game thread mentioning to be careful with voting (or something else suitable). I do not vote Zito in this post.

Then, if you are online and see my post within a reasonable amount of time of me posting it (say, up to 4-5 minutes later at the most), you join the wagon, and it's hammer time for me.

This would work vice versa and on any other townie.

If we don't get this lucky and go with my idea, you'd scumread Titus or Zito (whichever one you're not pretending to buddy with). So in my original example you'd scumread Titus. I'm also okay with you attacking me.

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Post Post #58  (isolation #29)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:04 pm

In response to you last paragraph, I think that's a good idea but don't make it seem obvious that you're trying to look good, I don't think it'll necessarily be a huge source of town credit.

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Post Post #60  (isolation #30)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:34 pm

I think it'd be optimal to get it done faster than 4-5 minutes, 4-5 seconds preferably. That amount of minutes is just how long I'll wait for you to join the wagon so I can hammer (the reason I don't vote first is in case you go offline right as I see you online and etc.)

This plan is reversed depending on who sees the townie voting a townie first. If you see it first, then you'd be the one to post first and I'd vote, then you'd hammer.

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Post Post #61  (isolation #31)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:40 pm

Thanks for getting Dunny's blood on your hands rather than mine, btw. Wish she could've been less towny.

Roleblock: Empoof

I was about to start a discussion on who to roleblock when I realized my sexiness is already useless

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Post Post #67  (isolation #32)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:25 pm

lmao

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