Ace Attorney!

[Parama]

Always will support this series since it's consistently good
And yeah Layton vs. Phoenix Wright should be awesome since I love both series involved

[Parama]

Layton is awesome too though really cheesy and everyone has a fetish for puzzles
Excited to play that one when it comes out

Also getting deep into AAI2 now. Sooooon. I will have all the games played (after layton PW ofc)

[Parama]

at least the 6th game doesn't even try to be any sort of realistic, but yeah

[Parama]

i did it
now i'm all caught up on ace attorney games JUST KIDDING LAYTON VS PHOENIX OUT IN NA IN A MONTH

[Parama]

The last two cases really make the game (AAI2) and it's definitely superior to AAI1
But it's not the best in the series by any means, yeah. Since Ace Attorney is that kind of series that continues to produce high-quality games even after over a decade of new games being released.

[Parama]

The last two cases really make the game (AAI2) and it's definitely superior to AAI1

IDK, the last two cases of AAI2 had really hammy moments that kind of broke the mood, between

improbable amnesia driving the plot (however good a case it turned out to be in spite of that) and the idiot's redemption

. Cases 1 and 2 were more interesting IMO.

Though I'm very grateful for the final encounter in Case 5 basically saying "look, I could string this along for another three hours, but let's just admit some things and get to something I -really- think you couldn't figure out." The benefits of not being able to abuse diplomatic immunity.

Not contesting it's better than AAI1, though the non-Logic Chess parts of the game seemed kind of easy.

I might've just been really happy to see Debeste not being so smug because he is the worst thing about Cases 2 and 3. Case 1 was great too though, yeah. I might just be biased because I like how the plot was more cohesive, instead of "oh hey smuggling ring" everything actually does relate. Though Roland seemed pretty much shoehorned in for Case 5 simply because she existed.

[Parama]

I didn't "see" as much as "play" a fanlation :V

And it is kind of uncomfortable but the game sort of knows that. If you choose the harsh options in logic chess to be a dick you get an instant game over, because screw you. I didn't really have any sympathy for him up to that point though so it was nice to not actually hate him.

[Parama]

yup gonna go pick it up after classes and then proceed to have no life all weekend long hell yes

[Parama]

One of you should make a Let's Play of it.

I don't do LPs
I don't even know how to record 3DS footage

[Parama]

Maya

is a main character in Layton vs. Wright. If that counts.

[Parama]

Layton vs. Wright has none of the standard AA-style investigations so you'd probably love it
And yeah the trial bits are always more exciting than the investigations but they do tend to be necessary, so eh

[Parama]

if you're starting ace attorney, really starting anywhere other than with AA1 is going to leave you unhappy or pissed or whatever oman is about the game
case 1 is easy as hell in every game
AA5 is p. much the easiest game in the series though so

Also, finished Layton vs. Wright. It's definitely more a Layton game than an AA game which basically doesn't matter at all since both series are fun series and having them together just makes for a fun game

[Parama]

oh good, the most tedious and drawn-out case that isn't Turnabout Ablaze

I don't dislike it but I've already played through it like twice which is once more than any sane person should play through that case really
and it really is way too damn long. it's three game-days that are AA2/AA3 length, which makes it 33% longer than any other case in the series

[Parama]

I genuinely feel DD was advertised incorrectly as pick-up-and play. I feel that the series is far better if you actually do it in chronological order - maybe AA2 is skippable, but no others are.

AA2 has case 2-4, which is obligatory under penalty of death
'cause y'now, 2-4

[Parama]

2-2 is required reading for character reasons too
But yeah don't you dare skip 2-4

oh, yeah, 3-5 will make no sense if you don't play 2-2 for sure

2-1 and 2-3 are p. much worthless though
I guess 2-3 is relevant now because of AAI2 and a few characters returning but ehh

[Parama]

2-1 is one of the cases I see that pretty much nobody likes, lol
whereas 4-1 is the best AA4 case by a good margin
2-3 isn't that bad, I just find some of the characters annoying; but until AA5 I felt the entire series just had a third-case curse because they'd all been not up to par in the series; 3-3 is still alright but weaker than everything else around it

[Parama]

4-1, I2-1, 5-1, 3-1, 1-1, I-1, 2-1
2-2, 3-2, I2-2, 5-2, 1-2, I-2, 4-2
5-3, I2-3, 3-3, 1-3, I-3, 2-3, 4-3
2-4, 1-4, 3-4, I-4, I2-4, 5-4, 4-4
3-5, 5-5, I2-5, 1-5, I-5

AA4 is either the worst or best in every category
it's being p. damn unfair to 5-4 there I know but I'd rather do it this way than the way Nat did
2-4 is still the best thing in the series though

I also realized that I don't tend to like case 2's a whole lot either, huh
My biggest gripe with 3-2 is Adrian Andrews to be fair since she's my favorite character in the entire series in 2-4 and she's not very interesting in 3-2 :<

[Parama]

Godot's pretty cool but it wasn't the first time a full-bar penalty had been done, really.

Especially since you can get nonstandard game-overs in 1-5 and 2-4, aside from that 3-2 also did the full bar thing and I'm pretty sure others before had done it too

Godot's pretty cool and 3-5 is pretty awesome as a result though, yeah.

[Parama]

DD is AA5, not AA4.

[Parama]

byootiful

[Parama]

It's the other clock.

[Parama]

I wish they did more 3 day trials,

1-3, 1-4 and 1-5

were the only ones

I think it's because fans complained about the pacing of the 3 day trials when AA1 first came out, so instead they swapped it for longer sections of gameplay but less days.
Then

5-4 and 5-5 come in and are basically one three trial case so it's not like they're completely gone

I don't mind either format, the storytelling based around the 2 day trials is still plenty interesting anyways.

[Parama]

1-1 is a good hook to be fair
2-1 isn't though

[Parama]

You'll always have all the evidence you need for trials, they make sure of that. (It's actually all manually inserted into your inventory at the start of each section, I think, since the order of stuff changes around between investigation and trial sometimes.)
I don't remember the specifics of specific testimonies though else I'd help.

[Parama]

Spoiler: 2-3

omg
I remember the love triangle creeping me out because Regina is 16 and Max is 21, but I just found out that Ben is 31. WHY IS THAT IN THIS GAME

Because it's the puppet who has a crush on him yep :V :V :V

[Parama]

Well the problem with deaths in the Ace Attorney series is

with spirit mediums around nobody can really stay dead anyways.

[Parama]

I think I did one of these before in this thread not too long ago
let's see if I can recreate it though
AA3 > AAI:2 > AA5 > AA1 > AA2 > AA:I > AA4

something like that
AA1:2, AA5, AA1 could probably be in any order and I'd be happy though, the rest is pretty set in stone

[Parama]

I actually have my own headcanon that the last case in the series, if it ever ends, would have the judge killed and you'd have to figure out who killed him.

I have played a fancase where

the judge was first tried for murder but found innocent, and then is promptly killed afterwards.

It was okay, not up to the level of standard Ace Attorney cases though.

[Parama]

Well,

Mia Fey

does get more development in the third game at least.

[Parama]

the third case is HORRIBLE

you watch that goddamn video at least 5 times

[Parama]

it is okay.

phoenix time-travelling is kind of dumb. the last court day where basically nothing happens is anticlimactic.

[Parama]

Yeah, it's impossible to not take the entire "simulation" as actual recordings, since they are, and in that case he brought stuff from the future into the past :V

[Parama]

Spoiler: DD

I have this fanon theory that the Phantom is one of the Sith from Ghost Trick, since they've said the two games share the same universe. It also explains why they didn't show his face, because blue people wouldn't look good in AA's more realistic style or something.

i really want this to be canon now holy hell yes

[Parama]

Speaking of AA, question if it hasn't been asked:

Rate the final cases in order, starting with the best down to the worst.

2-4
3-5
5-5
I2-5
1-4
I1-5
4-4

something like that i dunno
Rise From The Ashes doesn't count btw, screw everyone

[Parama]

Rise from the Ashes was made after the entire original trilogy specifically for the DS version, and it introduced mechanics (and a few characters) that show up in Apollo Justice, it sort of has to be taken separate from the rest of the game. So no, not a cute little epilogue
And yeah it is way too long, it's 3 full days of AA2/AA3-length, but those games are limited to 2 days per case, so it's about 1.5 times as long as any other case in the series. One of the main things that keeps me from replaying it much at all.

[Parama]

psyche-locks are a great mechanic that made the investigations in AA2 and AA3 way better than in AA1
the mood matrix was alright, i mostly just liked when they screwed with it in case 5

[Parama]

i'll need to replay AAI2 because i don't remember a lot of it, though i still remember the main villain and i remember the general scenario of the cases for the most part, so

[Parama]

that's not really true tho it's pretty balanced between the two

and Layton vs. AA is pretty good, the plot is waaayy more Layton than AA though

[Parama]

DD isn't one of the best games in the series but I liked it plenty regardless

[Parama]

investigations 2 can be a little slow yeah but I liked it. I should replay it sometime it's been a while and I can't even remember what case 4 is anymore

[Parama]

can't wait to get home tbh

[Parama]

Investigations 2 is great and Investigations 1 is pretty alright though not great either, probably my least favorite besides Apollo Justice

Me b4 aa6:
AA3
AAI2
AA1
AA5
Layton V Wright
AA2
AAI1
AA4

[Parama]

Edgeworth has two games where he's the protagonist and likes to randomly show up for the last case of a lot of the games so get used to him :V

[Parama]

you don't argue with a von karma

[Parama]

if you die in the trial you die in real life

[Parama]

Spoiler: aa6 spoilers sort of

case 4 feels like such a filler case. the most filler of filler-y cases. what does that add to the overall story. it wasn't even a particularly special case either. and it was just one trial day. and considering the overarching story i cannot see it possibly having an impact in the last case (assuming case 5 is the last one which is generally a safe assumption to make???) but yeah ok

[Parama]

2-4 is the best case in the series bar none.

[Parama]

if you took away that edgeworth was the main antagonist of the first game then i wonder how much of the first game you played

also that's just his attitude. it's really funny in the investigations games when you screw up because of it

[Parama]

because edgeworth fangirls and fanboys exist
also they are actually on pretty good terms after the first game since

Spoiler: aa1 spoiler

most of edgeworth's issue was a result of von karma, which he does his damndest to shake off after learning that von karma killed his father and lied to him for 15 years

[Parama]

3-5 is great too but it's not 2-4

[Parama]

@davsto
I disagree with your opinions

[Parama]

an opinion is a vegetable I'm pretty sure

[Parama]

because

turnabout

[Parama]

a turnabout
I'll steal it!
No one will ever know!

[Parama]

Spoiler: 2-4 but stuff you've played

he didn't lie to the magatama. he didn't kill anyone himself, he just hired someone else to do it

[Parama]

i'm not gonna finish it tonight bcuz i have other things to do but hopefully i'll finish tomorrow night, friday if not

[Parama]

Spoiler: 6-5

this is actually kind of infuriating. once i saw the picture i immediately discerned
1. amara is still alive
2. nayna is amara
3. amara is rayfa's mother

the game only caught up to 1. where i currently am, the first to be continued of the trial (maybe the only one, i have no clue)

but it's just. okay. the game won't let you point out the glaringly obvious red dot on "dhurke" in the seance
and now apollo's like "lol there's only two spirit mediums in khura'in, ga'ran and maya"

hey guess what dumbnuts
AMARA

THE FORMER QUEEN

IS A SPIRIT MEDIUm

AND YOU KNOW SHE IS ALIVE

AND NYANA IS SUDDENLY MISSING

GEEE I O WOOOONDDDEERRRRRR

omg.

i also don't suspect ga'ran at all, even though the game clearly seems to want me to. she's like the lawful neutral to von karma's lawful evil. she's got nasty words but as a prosecutor she's been fairly reasonable and knows when to not try to deflect an argument. i mean aside from all the "off with their heads" talk. but yeah.

so i secretly suspect amara is actually kind of horrible and set the fire to stage her own death then killed inga and tried to pin the murder on dhurke
i just think she might really hate dhurke for some reason since she's tried to pin a crime on him twice now?

i also have to wonder if the fire armie talked about is related to the fire from 23 years ago, because it probably is, that was not resolved in the first half of the case at all so
anyways that's all my rambling, i don't think i'll be finishing the trial tonight but i have MANY WORDS TO SPEAK

[Parama]

Spoiler: well ok

so he does, apparently. fine then. the rest stands

[Parama]

Spoiler: 6-5 whoa

SHE MURDERED DHURKE DIDN'T SHE OH NOOOOO

Spoiler: 6-5 addendum

that makes for like, 5 bodies in this case? both armie's parents, jove, inga, and now dhurke???

is armie's mother going to be brought back up btw. she died in a fire. jove died in a fire. it has to be. connected

[Parama]

i'm sorry

[Parama]

yes please do not read spoilers, you do not want them

[Parama]

phoenixcoffee.gif

that was like one of the first things i saw about ace attorney, that

[Parama]

Spoiler: 6-5

so i got to the second to be continued in the trial

...

there's MORE????

...we gotta investigate the case from 23 years ago, yeah, right, okay.

i s2g if garan is really behind everything that's...

...gonna be a little disappointing, actually

[Parama]

Spoiler: 6-5 the end but actually mostly 6-4

it was a good case, but it should've been two cases.

and @ SK my issue with 6-4 isn't that it's a filler case but that it's a filler case at the wrong time. case 4, historically, has either been the final case or the lead up to the final case. historically. literally every game. 1-4, 2-4, 4-4, final cases. 3-4, 5-4, both investigation games, big lead-up to case 5. here? a pretty stereotypical case 2 style case where we don't even get to investigate. logically speaking, it's probably a -better- case than 6-1, but it had expectations to live up to. and especially with how bloated 6-5 is there seems to be basically no reason for 6-4 to exist other than to go "oh hey athena and blackquill are in the game btw", that's the disappointing part about it.

that being said i love uendo so

[Parama]

also:

Spoiler: 6-5 there are actual spoilers here

the reveals all felt stunningly obvious, to the point where i did not get a single penalty during the entirety of that massive 3-part trial. maybe it's because i already knew most of the "shocking" reveals beforehand through basic common sense but. the one thing that did catch me off guard was ga'ran not being a spirit medium but there was really no way to even guess that until at least the end of the second part of the trial, so...

also was expecting a bit more out of jove's seance. but it was pathetically easy and really brief too. i like the seance mechanic a lot though, shame it likely won't be returning much if at all.

[Parama]

Investigations 2 is great and Investigations 1 is pretty alright though not great either, probably my least favorite besides Apollo Justice

Me b4 aa6:
AA3
AAI2
AA1
AA5
Layton V Wright
AA2
AAI1
AA4

follow-up to this. pingponging between putting AA6 right above or right under AA1. it's definitely a bit higher than DD in my book but not on the level of AA3 or even AAI2. probably will safely lodge it beneath AA1 for now and see if that changes later

[Parama]

AAI2 is not hard to figure out a way to play. and it's totally worth playing. most cohesive story of the entire series.

[Parama]

1. desmume is what i always use but it occasionally (not frequently) lags
2. english translation: https://gbatemp.net/threads/ace-attorne ... se.367451/

find the rom yourself (not hard)

[Parama]

wow dang NM livin' on the edge posting pirated games in plain sight

[Parama]

Spoiler: 6-5

how about those shooting animations tho

surprised those didn't get the game an M rating lol. if dual destinies got it

[Parama]

Spoiler: 3-4 but mostly just spoilers for the first game tbh

it's in the past, where Edgeworth is just starting out as a prosecutor, and he was a disciple of Manfred von Karma, so obviously he's really going to imitate him a ton when first starting out

[Parama]

also that trial is so good omg

[Parama]

hmm... yeah, wouldn't argue with that.

Spoiler: 3-4 and 3-5

dahlia is probably the most heartless, despicable character in the series tbh, definitely the most believable and fleshed-out for sure, absolutely awful, needs more death

[Parama]

remember that chronologically this is the earliest case in the entire series
edit: actually that's not quite true if you include the investigations games but w/e

[Parama]

dahlia HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

[Parama]

And now I'm playing AS Edgeworth? What dark nightmare has this game wrought?

oh yeah, there's two whole games of that too, it's great

[Parama]

the full case dlc is thursday i'm hyped

[Parama]

played through the dlc case, i was slow for no particular reason
it's solid. they tried to go for an original trilogy feel for the most part so things are a bit quicker paced than the trials in the maingame. the villain was a bit disappointing and predictable i felt.

[Parama]

it was the experimental phase of the series

[Parama]

yep welcome to like one of the most common complaints about AAJ, Phoenix is literally a different character

[Parama]

well

phoenix is back to his old self come aa5 so aaj just looks worse in hindsight for him lol