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[BROseidon]

Tbh, I would be completely fine with Hearthstone right now if Tuskarr Totemic, Cabalist's Tome, and Yogg stopped being things.

Like even Barnes is at least interesting because it encourages unique deck design, even if it's broken as fuck.

[GreyICE]

Well looks like Blizzard announced some nerfs.

Mostly looks fine although I think the Call of the Wild nerf was due to way too much whining. Still at 9 mana it has nice symmetry (3 animal companions for 3x the cost) so I can't complain too much. Rockbiter nerf was a bit crap, given how hard Shaman are about to be slaughtered by the rotation (Trogg and Totem Golem and Lava Burst?)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm really salty about the Charge nerf

[Sudo_Nym]

I like the Rockbiter nerf, since it brings the card into line with the other "2 mana for 3 damage" cards that other classes have. Druids have Wrath at 2 mana, Warriors have Bash, Hunters have Quick Shot. All have upside, and Rockbiter's upside gets to be "Synergy with Windfury". Plus, they already have Lightning Bolt to cover the niche as well.

I also like that they didn't just nerf Shaman, they also pre-nerfed Warrior and Hunter that stand to gain the most from Shaman getting nerfed. And Druid also gets hit, since they were using Yogg as a powerful comeback mechanic/board reset, which is now a lot less reliable.

I'm curious about the Charge change, though, since it disables the OTK, but maybe makes Charge more of a utility removal? Like being able to drop a 1-mana charge on a Patron or something could be viable. I'm curious if it'll see play as maybe a 1-of in Control Warrior with Execute getting a cost-bump.

The Call of the Wild nerf is something I could go both ways on. On the one hand, CotW was definitely undercosted given the synergy that the companions have with each other. On the other hand, CotW was the only thing keeping Hunter really viable as a class. Nerfing both CotW and Abusive Sergeant seems like it really brings down the Hybrid Hunter, especially.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OTK warrior wasn't even oppressive in the ladder and they just banned it.

:/

[Sudo_Nym]

OTK warrior wasn't even oppressive in the ladder and they just banned it.

:/

I think it was nerfed more for being non-interactive than for being oppressive. That said, Blizzard's approach to non-interactive decks seems to be alarmingly arbitrary.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OTK warrior wasn't even oppressive in the ladder and they just banned it.

:/

I think it was nerfed more for being non-interactive than for being oppressive. That said, Blizzard's approach to non-interactive decks seems to be alarmingly arbitrary.

I mean, OTK decks are only non-interactive in the sense that if the opponent doesn't know what is coming, they can't react to it.

But you know what they say: Taunt is Cheat SMOrc.

And you can interact more proactively to it by just playing a larger tempo aggressive game so that I can't complete the combo.

While Freeze Mage continues to go untouched for now (thank god).

Literally all I like to play in HS standard is combo. Fuck midrange, fuck aggro.

I was climbing the ladder with Worgen OTK, Freeze Mage and Priest Kitty OTK.

[PJ.]

"While we enjoy seeing players explore combo styles of play and will continue to support it in the future" -> Destroy every combo deck that becomes a tier 1 or 2 deck.

Also can't believe they are making it so Yogg can Overload people, saying it was a "bug". Very weird.

[BROseidon]

The issue with combo in hearthstone is that you being unable to do things on your opponents turn ruins counter play for otk.

But hey, miracle still exists

[BROseidon]

As does "fun and interactive" hunter

[GreyICE]

I've got to ask, what do you enjoy about Hearthstone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've got to ask, what do you enjoy about Hearthstone?

Broseidon spams Face Shaman in Ladder, so.

[PJ.]

The issue with combo in hearthstone is that you being unable to do things on your opponents turn ruins counter play for otk.

But hey, miracle still exists

Miracle not tier 1 or 2 and instead of saying "you like combo" just say "combo is not something we want in our game"

[GreyICE]

Miracle Druid is tier 1 right now.

[PJ.]

Tempo deck.

[Shadoweh]

I like the Rockbiter nerf, since it brings the card into line with the other "2 mana for 3 damage" cards that other classes have. Druids have Wrath at 2 mana, Warriors have Bash, Hunters have Quick Shot. All have upside, and Rockbiter's upside gets to be "Synergy with Windfury". Plus, they already have Lightning Bolt to cover the niche as well.

All those other 2 mana for 3 damage cards do something else though. Look at what Frostbolt does. Synergy with Windfury is an awful niche when the downside is having to smash your face into minions. Isn't it just generically worse then all those other cards?

[PJ.]

Also bash cost 3

[GreyICE]

Tempo deck.

Anything that runs Malygos is by definition not a Tempo deck.

Also bash cost 3

That's not the Warrior 3 damage for 2 mana card.

[Sudo_Nym]

I like the Rockbiter nerf, since it brings the card into line with the other "2 mana for 3 damage" cards that other classes have. Druids have Wrath at 2 mana, Warriors have Bash, Hunters have Quick Shot. All have upside, and Rockbiter's upside gets to be "Synergy with Windfury". Plus, they already have Lightning Bolt to cover the niche as well.

All those other 2 mana for 3 damage cards do something else though. Look at what Frostbolt does. Synergy with Windfury is an awful niche when the downside is having to smash your face into minions. Isn't it just generically worse then all those other cards?

Sure, but Windfury is Shaman's thing. Shaman also already has Lightning Bolt to do the same thing, so now you're forced to decide which of the two is better for your given deck.

Tempo deck.

Anything that runs Malygos is by definition not a Tempo deck.

Also bash cost 3

That's not the Warrior 3 damage for 2 mana card.

Right, my mistake. Warrior gets to go Win Axe into Bash. Same deal, though. It also means that Rockbiter weapon is basically a one-shot Win Axe that can also buff a creature or combo with Windfury.

[pirate mollie]

I thought the brawl challenge this week was a lot of fun.

[PJ.]

My guy quit when I wiped his board.

Last week's brawl was better I thought. Three cards or whatever

[Sudo_Nym]

Got my first alternate hero skin! Too bad Priest is hot garbage right now.

[PJ.]

Apparently priest is OP in wild!

[xRECKONERx]

yeah esp nzoth priest

[Alchemist21]

Just got my golden Jaina.